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wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
6
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:54:00 -
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Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?
I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.
Personally I think people are way too uptight about it. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
831
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:02:00 -
[2] - Quote
... gets popcorn...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
41
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:02:00 -
[3] - Quote
6/10 stealth grrr goons thread. |
Spurty
962
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:08:00 -
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Welcome to EVE
---
GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥
GÇò Philip K. **** |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2606
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:13:00 -
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I like kills when they are of a type I want and there is no risk. I like to make other spaceships blow up... not watch mine blow up. I want loots you can keep yer glory! 
edit: IB4L
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Caillyn Gekko
Industry and Investments
NZAU Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:25:00 -
[6] - Quote
Poasting in a dont understand the concept of once bit twice shy thread. |
Switchblade Soliloquy Asheki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:26:00 -
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Why take the chance of being awoxed or blobbed when you don't have too. Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ? |
Enduros
Ostian Industries
Hand of Despair
29
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:45:00 -
[8] - Quote
After recent events I don't even trust people to light a cyno for me... and I'm talking about my best mate in eve for 9 years. And you want me to fleet with neuts? Is that like trying to invite cloakers to see if they afk? |
Prince Sanguine
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
47
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:49:00 -
[9] - Quote
I totally agree OP. You should come to null with your most expensive ship and fit so we can fleet up. I cross my heart that I would not kill you or lure you into a ransom trap. Trust me, I'm a prince.
U w0t mate?! fight me IRL.! do you even lift?! |
Zappity
Kurved Space
363
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:54:00 -
[10] - Quote
Yeah, people should be more trusting. In EVE. Ahem.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
3355
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:43:00 -
[11] - Quote
Because most EVE players are risk averse pansies
. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp
Northern Associates.
204
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:42:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:... letting reds ... join them for small gang roams... 
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
679
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:03:00 -
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Why would I fly with neutrals and, of all people, reds? Please elaborate on why I should be as accomodating in the first place. It's not my intention to create as much content for as many people as possible. I want to create some content for those that support our corp and alliance. I'm not a charity and we operate NBSI so you either commit to +5 standings, or remain a target. It's principle, not risk aversion. |
wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
6
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:59:00 -
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Fleeting up with neuts and reds gives you the opportunity to meet way more people and participate in many different strategies?
Why would you NOT fleet up in small gang pvp with neutrals and reds that you'd never met personally?
Neuts are just that, neutral. Once they're in fleet (unless they're awoxers) you can usually trust them.
And reds are just set red by your corp/alliance leader in many cases. In reality you have no quarrel with them. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Nulli Secunda
518
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:12:00 -
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This guy is primary.......I don't see him on overview....here broadcast...he is blue....no I see him...how do I drake?
No thanks
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Literally Space Moses
Perkone
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:17:00 -
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Why not let the guy into your fleet, warp him to a safe and kill him? That's what I would do. |
wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
6
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:19:00 -
[17] - Quote
Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
588
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:22:00 -
[18] - Quote
ITT awoxer is mad players aren't taking bait  .
In all seriousness, these players should be congratulated, not scolded. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
280
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:26:00 -
[19] - Quote
Fear of awoxers does not stop me fleeting with neuts....common sense does.
As to reds, they are red for a reason.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Istyn
Freight Club
The Marmite Collective
231
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:27:00 -
[20] - Quote
Stranger danger |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
252
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:34:00 -
[21] - Quote
OP is correct if we are talking funsy roaming with T1 cruisers/battlecruisers or T1/T2/navy frigates. If the risk isn't that high, yet you have credible offers for a little bit of roaming ... go for it.
This probably applies to lowsec much more than it does to nullsec, where arrangements like that are much less likely to arise in the first place.
I've lived in lowsec pockets where I have been on roams with people that I shot down 2 days earlier (and a week later). But that was also the land of honouring 1v1s, etc.
Sure, you'll get bitten once in a while, but then you know never to trust that guy again. On the other hand, I know a lot of neutrals/reds (really, not much of a difference....  ), that I'd trust more than some of my alliance-mates. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:35:00 -
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It makes them feel unsafe.
They don't want to look foolish if they are AWOXed.
They don't want to appear disloyal to their own group.
They harbor resentment, mistrust, malice, etc. towards those not in their group.
They don't really "know" any reds or neutrals and don't want to examine people as individuals, but would rather just be "friends" with whoever their superiors/leadership tell them to be "friends" with.
They have no use for non-blues because their list of blues is so large that they can always find someone to fleet with.
They believe that blues are the good guys and reds (neutrals, too, if you're NBSI) are the bad guys and do not cooperate with them on principle.
...
When I started playing, the first "reds" I ever really encountered were Red Alliance, Russians. I hated them. They roamed through our space. They ambushed us on our way to and from empire. They were hostile to us for apparently no reason whatsoever.
Then, one day, someone asked a question about them in our intel channel, something like: "How is that red docked in our station?". They didn't have docking rights there. Someone answered: "It used to be their station. This was their space. We took it."
So, all the time I thought I was defending "our" space, I was actually the invader, and I started to wonder why I was letting other people tell me who the "good guys" and "bad guys" were. I started to notice that those Red Alliance players had guts, whereas a lot of my "blues" were people I'd gladly have shot.
I saw a "blue" suicide gank someone in an industrial and I remember thinking several things, that I would really like to shoot that mother[expletive deleted], that I would probably find myself hot water with my corp if I did, that he would have blown up my industrial just the same if I wasn't blue to him, and that on any given day, if I were the villain, I'd probably want to be set as "blue" to everyone but the person I wanted to shoot on that day.
Most people don't want to think about these things. They just want to "hurr durr pew pew pew lulz0rd". |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:25:00 -
[23] - Quote
BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us |
Nuglord
Heretic Army
Heretic Initiative
16
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:45:00 -
[24] - Quote
Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us
collect intel on brave newbies
right |
symolan
BamBam Inc.
32
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:48:00 -
[25] - Quote
Nuglord wrote:Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us collect intel on brave newbies right
the one I quote educated me regarding blind fleet accepts. |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:58:00 -
[26] - Quote
Nuglord wrote:Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us collect intel on brave newbies right
I mean not like they learn too much, but they figure out some of our tendencies and what not.
Besides usually there's 1-2 spies in our coms at all times at home base. we expect that. can't tell you how many times you cal a primary and they just happen to align out before everyone even targets him |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
5761
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Posted - 2013.09.10 16:00:00 -
[27] - Quote
"I'm undocking now, oh look someone I don't know is inviting me to fleet. Better click 'yes'."
My Youtube Channel
Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.09.10 16:07:00 -
[28] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I'm undocking now, oh look someone I don't know is inviting me to fleet. Better click 'yes'."
I've seen people lose battleships this way.
Good lolz there |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
239
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:40:00 -
[29] - Quote
Why do so many cowardly people not let strangers into their house? They're just risk averse wusses.
Bokononist
-á |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
20
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:43:00 -
[30] - Quote
Anxiety = (Risk perception)*(probability of coping)
A large part of the problem is that risk probability is assumed to be unknown. IN fact a sample size of 5 will give you an idea of the median result 93% of the time.
We tend to exaggerate risk. If you try something 5 times you'll know what probably going to happen. There will be outliers and there always will be but try something 5 times and your risk assessment will be as accurate as you need it to be for a game and your risk assessment will be realistic instead of nuclear attack defcon 1 level.
We also underestimate our ability to cope and adjust. Once more, the rule of 5 will tell us what our real ability to cope is.
Once we have a realistic idea of the threat and a realistic assessment of our own ability to cope anxiety comes down to a realistic level. when we trust that we will probably cope just fine, anxiety turns into the excitement of adventure.
And that is why people are risk averse in a nutshell |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3382
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:10:00 -
[31] - Quote
wowyouareacow wrote:Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?
I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.
Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.
Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.
Who needs to be in the clone vat trying to convince themselves: " Well at least I'm not risk averse".
Because there are people who go out of their way to arrange some kills through these means, not fleeting with neutrals is the proven counter to those means.
Working as intended. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3382
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:12:00 -
[32] - Quote
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:It makes them feel unsafe.
They don't want to look foolish if they are AWOXed.
They don't want to appear disloyal to their own group.
They harbor resentment, mistrust, malice, etc. towards those not in their group.
They don't really "know" any reds or neutrals and don't want to examine people as individuals, but would rather just be "friends" with whoever their superiors/leadership tell them to be "friends" with.
They have no use for non-blues because their list of blues is so large that they can always find someone to fleet with.
They believe that blues are the good guys and reds (neutrals, too, if you're NBSI) are the bad guys and do not cooperate with them on principle.
...
When I started playing, the first "reds" I ever really encountered were Red Alliance, Russians. I hated them. They roamed through our space. They ambushed us on our way to and from empire. They were hostile to us for apparently no reason whatsoever.
Then, one day, someone asked a question about them in our intel channel, something like: "How is that red docked in our station?". They didn't have docking rights there. Someone answered: "It used to be their station. This was their space. We took it."
So, all the time I thought I was defending "our" space, I was actually the invader, and I started to wonder why I was letting other people tell me who the "good guys" and "bad guys" were. I started to notice that those Red Alliance players had guts, whereas a lot of my "blues" were people I'd gladly have shot.
I saw a "blue" suicide gank someone in an industrial and I remember thinking several things, that I would really like to shoot that mother[expletive deleted], that I would probably find myself hot water with my corp if I did, that he would have blown up my industrial just the same if I wasn't blue to him, and that on any given day, if I were the villain, I'd probably want to be set as "blue" to everyone but the person I wanted to shoot on that day.
Most people don't want to think about these things. They just want to "hurr durr pew pew pew lulz0rd".
You just described the Vietnam war...
|
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:43:00 -
[33] - Quote
wowyouareacow wrote:Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too.
Yeah, because I'm going to switch to my special overview tab (logi) that DOES show blues... so I can shoot the blues the red guy in my fleet is broadcasting as primary 
You're a special kind of special. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3465
|
Posted - 2013.09.10 22:00:00 -
[34] - Quote
Read the OP as: "Why are people such risk averse penises.."
Definitely backing out of thread...
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
MeestaPenni
Nova Force
290
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:02:00 -
[35] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Read the OP as: "Why are people such risk averse penises.."
Definitely backing out of thread...
Definitely better than backing into it.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Deborah Bat-Zeev
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:16:00 -
[36] - Quote
Switchblade Soliloquy Asheki wrote: Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ?
Yes, who would?
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Alara IonStorm
5327
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:26:00 -
[37] - Quote
I remember watching this documentary about the Battle of the Bulge. One of the stories was that there was this US unit that had foxholes along the treeline taking fire from enemy mortars that was much more accurate then it should have been and they were getting slaughtered. A guy in a US Medic uniform in the middle of the field was hunched over tending to what was obviously a dead man while taking quick glances at the trees. After a short debate a rifleman picked off the medic. The following mortar volleys started going long and wide.
This thread made me think of that. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
564
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:39:00 -
[38] - Quote
When I let neutrals join any fleet I control it means they're going to get popped for lulz.
We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:04:00 -
[39] - Quote
Are you serious!? NEVER NOT let Gorski Car into your fleet, that man is honourable! |
wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:06:00 -
[40] - Quote
Georgina Parmala wrote:wowyouareacow wrote:Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too. Yeah, because I'm going to switch to my special overview tab (logi) that DOES show blues... so I can shoot the blues the red guy in my fleet is broadcasting as primary You're a special kind of special.
And you're a ******* idiot. I never said ANYTHING about fleeting with reds to shoot blues (though that would be fun), I meant fleeting with neuts/reds to shoot OTHER neuts and reds, there's a difference.
Mayhaw Morgan hit the nail on the head. Many of the people who have the most fun in EVE can look past things like that. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1756
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:08:00 -
[41] - Quote
As one of the guys who sets standings for my corporation I can tell you very heartilly that if someone is red and asks to join your fleet, then you should probably understand that there is a -reason he is red-. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:16:00 -
[42] - Quote
Lets refer back two posts for some context
Christopher AET wrote:This guy is primary.......I don't see him on overview....here broadcast...he is blue....no I see him...how do I drake?
No thanks
wowyouareacow wrote:Georgina Parmala wrote:wowyouareacow wrote:Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too. Yeah, because I'm going to switch to my special overview tab (logi) that DOES show blues... so I can shoot the blues the red guy in my fleet is broadcasting as primary You're a special kind of special. And you're a ******* idiot. I never said ANYTHING about fleeting with reds to shoot blues (though that would be fun), I meant fleeting with neuts/reds to shoot OTHER neuts and reds, there's a difference.
Bold |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
682
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:29:00 -
[43] - Quote
wowyouareacow wrote:And reds are just set red by your corp/alliance leader in many cases. In reality you have no quarrel with them.
I'm a CEO. Our members do have a quarrel with them, because that's exactly what they signed up for. I will not have people's loyalty questioned by tolerating reds in our fleets. This is indeed a matter of NBSI principle. That doesn't mean you can't ever have a couple of neuts in the fleet, but without arranging proper standings first you simply cannot guarantee that no-one in your 100+ NBSI group will refrain from shooting them. It's messy and unnecassary.
I wish to stress that Blue status does not equal friendship or even respect, they merely represent the rules of engagement as set forth by the entity you explicitly opted into yourself. Standings make PVP relevant, they create the context for meaningfull conflict between larger entities. If being a part of larger engagements is what a person desires, he should have no personal issues adhering to the standings that create the context for these engagements in the first place. Red spike, oh noes!!!
I resent the idea that keeping to (NBSI) Alliance standings is a dumb herd mentality. Isn't about risk aversion, it isn't about blind (mis)trust or the comfort of being told who to shoot. It's a small piece of personal authority you exchange for other options, such as getting on more organized fleets with actual objectives you can benefit from as an individual. It's a small sacrifice to make larger scale PVP a lot more manageable and fun. In the end, players control what they opt into themselves. |
Jim Era
7518
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
This game is multiplayer??!!??
Noone ever told me. |
wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:58:00 -
[45] - Quote
You should have a tab that shows all players incase someone awoxes you.
Also, it's very valuable in determining how many people you have on your side left in the fight. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Caldari Provisions
27
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Posted - 2013.09.11 02:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
wowyouareacow wrote:Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?
I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.
Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.
Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.
I wouldn't fleet my mother, Or my wife I'd freaking pod her first just to make sure she was no threat. Better safe than sorry is the saying.
Blue
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MeestaPenni
Nova Force
292
|
Posted - 2013.09.11 03:01:00 -
[47] - Quote
I'd fleet your mother.
God help me....I couldn't help it.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
744
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
wowyouareacow wrote:Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers
Troll or clueless?
Bob is the god of Wormholes.
That's all you need to know. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
489
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
MeestaPenni wrote:I'd fleet your mother.
God help me....I couldn't help it.
Its okay, I fleeted yours and had fun with her.
Shot lots of reds and talked afterwards.
You should really call her, she misses you. |
MeestaPenni
Nova Force
296
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
Ah yes....memories. My mom and the fleet.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
496
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
There are lots of neutrals in the fleets I am with... maybe you're in the wrong coalition? 
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
148
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:08:00 -
[52] - Quote
+1 Inxentas
Shouldn't really need explaining.
The number one reason so few people fleet up is because everyone is sitting around waiting for someone else to form, and hence FC, the fleet. Offer a fleet, and people will happily join. But very few people will form their own and put up an advert.
I suggest being active in the various chat channels. There is one for virtually every Eve activity. You are likely to find people there that are serious about working together rather than awoxing like you expect with local chat spam.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3385
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:16:00 -
[53] - Quote
The form fleet/advertise tool is very limited though. Try it and you'll see.
Of course if it were more open, it would be gank city.
So this is yet another installment of why you can't have anything nice because people suck. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
751
|
Posted - 2013.09.11 17:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
once in 2012 in Delve i was sitting on undock in my Thanatos. Some people invited me to fleet. I accepted it (why not?). And then - my ship started to warp to somewhere. 
Some funny guys from PL wanted to fleet-warp me out of undock Guess what for they wanted to do it? |
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
326
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:45:00 -
[55] - Quote
*reads the thread title.
*looks at the original poster's name.
Okay... |
Gorski Car
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
105
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Posted - 2013.10.16 09:12:00 -
[56] - Quote
Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us
This never happend you scrublodyte. Stop being butthurt about having homosexual fantasies with me. I have no problem fleeting with neutrals and will never shoot purple. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
Brains of Britain
93
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
AHEM!
As a professional perma docker and ship spinner I feel I have the necessary qualifications to speak on this issue.
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Yes. |
Decian Cor
The Tall Order
Angeli Mortis
3
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:50:00 -
[58] - Quote
wowyouareacow wrote:Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?
I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.
Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.
Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.
While we are at it, why don't we just:
1. blue everybody so we can all get along and be safe and comfortable - (we don't like fights unless we are guaranteed a win!)
2. go on huge blobby roams through Null and look for the one or two neuts left in all of Sov space that didn't fleet/blue-up - (see #1)
3. complain about how we can't find anything to shoot at - (See GD)
4. wonder why we can't find anything to shoot at - (See GD)
OH....WAIT. nevermind.
"There is no good and evil. There is only power, and those too weak to seek it." |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:55:00 -
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Switchblade Soliloquy Asheki wrote:Why take the chance of being awoxed or blobbed when you don't have too. Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ?
bombers bar? NPSI
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2890
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:59:00 -
[60] - Quote
Trust is the most valuable commodity in Eve. Looks like you used it up since you made this thread. I never have problems fleeting with neuts vOv
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
225
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Posted - 2013.10.16 15:27:00 -
[61] - Quote
if they're not on TS with a non-muted mic i believe you may want to press the eject button.
freelance space bum |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
57353
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Posted - 2013.10.16 16:10:00 -
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Caillyn Gekko wrote:Poasting in a dont understand the concept of once bit twice shy thread.
Once bit
Twice shy
Three times stupid
"Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
118
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Posted - 2013.10.16 16:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
well, you have ******* players like that NCdot or whatever dude from yesterday who hotdropped a cancer patient after abusing an allies' recruitment channel, and all the people who LOLed and replied with 'good shoot', there was even one guy who got all salty at being called out on this type of despicable behavior by claiming he was a diagnosed sociopath but was just 'misunderstood'... so if you can't even trust your own allies and supposed friends, why on earth would you trust a neut? |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus
Turalyon Alliance
20
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Posted - 2013.10.16 17:00:00 -
[64] - Quote
Wait, you do realise you're talking about Eve, right? This is Eve, not WoW, not KoTR, but Eve.
People reveal in causing chaos in Eve, just as much as they like to build empires. There's a handful of people I trust implicitly that play this game, and that's about it if I'm honest. I wouldn't trust a neutral, red as far as I could throw them. |
Baali Tekitsu
God Bless My Enemies
58
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Posted - 2013.10.16 19:25:00 -
[65] - Quote
I on my part never not fleet reds, reds are my blues. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6284
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Posted - 2013.10.16 19:54:00 -
[66] - Quote
Greatest Nulli thread ever.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Aurilen Baxtab
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.10.16 20:58:00 -
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because when you fleet with me you can shoot at me without CONCORD intervention. That's why. So stop trolling and ask a real question. |
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