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wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:54:00 -
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Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?
I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.
Personally I think people are way too uptight about it. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
831
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:02:00 -
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... gets popcorn...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
41
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:02:00 -
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6/10 stealth grrr goons thread. |
Spurty
962
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:08:00 -
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Welcome to EVE
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GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥
GÇò Philip K. **** |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2606
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:13:00 -
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I like kills when they are of a type I want and there is no risk. I like to make other spaceships blow up... not watch mine blow up. I want loots you can keep yer glory! 
edit: IB4L
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Caillyn Gekko
Industry and Investments
NZAU Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:25:00 -
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Poasting in a dont understand the concept of once bit twice shy thread. |
Switchblade Soliloquy Asheki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:26:00 -
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Why take the chance of being awoxed or blobbed when you don't have too. Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ? |
Enduros
Ostian Industries
Hand of Despair
29
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:45:00 -
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After recent events I don't even trust people to light a cyno for me... and I'm talking about my best mate in eve for 9 years. And you want me to fleet with neuts? Is that like trying to invite cloakers to see if they afk? |
Prince Sanguine
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
47
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:49:00 -
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I totally agree OP. You should come to null with your most expensive ship and fit so we can fleet up. I cross my heart that I would not kill you or lure you into a ransom trap. Trust me, I'm a prince.
U w0t mate?! fight me IRL.! do you even lift?! |
Zappity
Kurved Space
363
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:54:00 -
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Yeah, people should be more trusting. In EVE. Ahem.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
3355
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Posted - 2013.09.10 07:43:00 -
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Because most EVE players are risk averse pansies
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp
Northern Associates.
204
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:42:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:... letting reds ... join them for small gang roams... 
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
679
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:03:00 -
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Why would I fly with neutrals and, of all people, reds? Please elaborate on why I should be as accomodating in the first place. It's not my intention to create as much content for as many people as possible. I want to create some content for those that support our corp and alliance. I'm not a charity and we operate NBSI so you either commit to +5 standings, or remain a target. It's principle, not risk aversion. |
wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:59:00 -
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Fleeting up with neuts and reds gives you the opportunity to meet way more people and participate in many different strategies?
Why would you NOT fleet up in small gang pvp with neutrals and reds that you'd never met personally?
Neuts are just that, neutral. Once they're in fleet (unless they're awoxers) you can usually trust them.
And reds are just set red by your corp/alliance leader in many cases. In reality you have no quarrel with them. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Nulli Secunda
518
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:12:00 -
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This guy is primary.......I don't see him on overview....here broadcast...he is blue....no I see him...how do I drake?
No thanks
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Literally Space Moses
Perkone
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:17:00 -
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Why not let the guy into your fleet, warp him to a safe and kill him? That's what I would do. |
wowyouareacow
Unrelenting Wanderers
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:19:00 -
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Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
588
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:22:00 -
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ITT awoxer is mad players aren't taking bait  .
In all seriousness, these players should be congratulated, not scolded. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
280
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:26:00 -
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Fear of awoxers does not stop me fleeting with neuts....common sense does.
As to reds, they are red for a reason.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Istyn
Freight Club
The Marmite Collective
231
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:27:00 -
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Stranger danger |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
252
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:34:00 -
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OP is correct if we are talking funsy roaming with T1 cruisers/battlecruisers or T1/T2/navy frigates. If the risk isn't that high, yet you have credible offers for a little bit of roaming ... go for it.
This probably applies to lowsec much more than it does to nullsec, where arrangements like that are much less likely to arise in the first place.
I've lived in lowsec pockets where I have been on roams with people that I shot down 2 days earlier (and a week later). But that was also the land of honouring 1v1s, etc.
Sure, you'll get bitten once in a while, but then you know never to trust that guy again. On the other hand, I know a lot of neutrals/reds (really, not much of a difference....  ), that I'd trust more than some of my alliance-mates. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:35:00 -
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It makes them feel unsafe.
They don't want to look foolish if they are AWOXed.
They don't want to appear disloyal to their own group.
They harbor resentment, mistrust, malice, etc. towards those not in their group.
They don't really "know" any reds or neutrals and don't want to examine people as individuals, but would rather just be "friends" with whoever their superiors/leadership tell them to be "friends" with.
They have no use for non-blues because their list of blues is so large that they can always find someone to fleet with.
They believe that blues are the good guys and reds (neutrals, too, if you're NBSI) are the bad guys and do not cooperate with them on principle.
...
When I started playing, the first "reds" I ever really encountered were Red Alliance, Russians. I hated them. They roamed through our space. They ambushed us on our way to and from empire. They were hostile to us for apparently no reason whatsoever.
Then, one day, someone asked a question about them in our intel channel, something like: "How is that red docked in our station?". They didn't have docking rights there. Someone answered: "It used to be their station. This was their space. We took it."
So, all the time I thought I was defending "our" space, I was actually the invader, and I started to wonder why I was letting other people tell me who the "good guys" and "bad guys" were. I started to notice that those Red Alliance players had guts, whereas a lot of my "blues" were people I'd gladly have shot.
I saw a "blue" suicide gank someone in an industrial and I remember thinking several things, that I would really like to shoot that mother[expletive deleted], that I would probably find myself hot water with my corp if I did, that he would have blown up my industrial just the same if I wasn't blue to him, and that on any given day, if I were the villain, I'd probably want to be set as "blue" to everyone but the person I wanted to shoot on that day.
Most people don't want to think about these things. They just want to "hurr durr pew pew pew lulz0rd". |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:25:00 -
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BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us |
Nuglord
Heretic Army
Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:45:00 -
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Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us
collect intel on brave newbies
right |
symolan
BamBam Inc.
32
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:48:00 -
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Nuglord wrote:Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us collect intel on brave newbies right
the one I quote educated me regarding blind fleet accepts. |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:58:00 -
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Nuglord wrote:Oswald Bolke wrote:BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets
they either collect intel or awox..or both.
Never ends well for us collect intel on brave newbies right
I mean not like they learn too much, but they figure out some of our tendencies and what not.
Besides usually there's 1-2 spies in our coms at all times at home base. we expect that. can't tell you how many times you cal a primary and they just happen to align out before everyone even targets him |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
5761
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Posted - 2013.09.10 16:00:00 -
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"I'm undocking now, oh look someone I don't know is inviting me to fleet. Better click 'yes'."
My Youtube Channel
Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Oswald Bolke
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.09.10 16:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I'm undocking now, oh look someone I don't know is inviting me to fleet. Better click 'yes'."
I've seen people lose battleships this way.
Good lolz there |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
239
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:40:00 -
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Why do so many cowardly people not let strangers into their house? They're just risk averse wusses.
Bokononist
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Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
20
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:43:00 -
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Anxiety = (Risk perception)*(probability of coping)
A large part of the problem is that risk probability is assumed to be unknown. IN fact a sample size of 5 will give you an idea of the median result 93% of the time.
We tend to exaggerate risk. If you try something 5 times you'll know what probably going to happen. There will be outliers and there always will be but try something 5 times and your risk assessment will be as accurate as you need it to be for a game and your risk assessment will be realistic instead of nuclear attack defcon 1 level.
We also underestimate our ability to cope and adjust. Once more, the rule of 5 will tell us what our real ability to cope is.
Once we have a realistic idea of the threat and a realistic assessment of our own ability to cope anxiety comes down to a realistic level. when we trust that we will probably cope just fine, anxiety turns into the excitement of adventure.
And that is why people are risk averse in a nutshell |
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