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Hershman
G-Weezy
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:56:00 -
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Maybe also with recurring interest fees for how long the bounty is open, and you also have the option to close it when the cost is too much. That way people are not forever doomed to looking over their shoulder |

Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp Flatline.
53
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:04:00 -
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Hershman wrote:Just throwing spaghetti at the wall here: What if bounty comes out of the targets wallet? It would be a doube whammy to the big pay high name targets, and bounty contractors would get the satisfaction of knowing that their targets are dead and in the neg on their isk bank 
Well, this would be far too open to abuse.
Some bored hotshot, called Newbslayer, sits around Dodixie and picks out random casual called Captain Zoidberg, who is 2 months into the game and still doing LvL 3 missions in his spanking new drake. Newbslayer puts a 5bn ISK bounty on Zoidberg and kills him 20 seconds later. Then cleans up the pod with some smarties.
Newbie Zoidberg is now 5bn ISK in the red. Has lost his mission ship. Even if he sells of all his assets he will still be in debt and unable to buy a replacement ship. With no way to recover from the loss and unwilling to spend >100 $ on Plexx Zoidberg now throws the towel and unsubribes.
Congrats, you just griefed someone out of the game.
Cala
Edit:
This doesn't have to be a newbie either. Any alliance/corp that enjoys griefing and has too many ISK to burn can simply put out 50bn ISK bounty on a single player. Overall I don't think your idea works if implemented like this. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:04:00 -
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Hershman wrote: That way people are not forever doomed to looking over their shoulder
Heh, Forever and ever man! jk But like i said, any constructive proposal is almost guaranteed to be better than what we got right now. |

Hershman
G-Weezy
40
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:13:00 -
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Calapine wrote:Hershman wrote:Just throwing spaghetti at the wall here: What if bounty comes out of the targets wallet? It would be a doube whammy to the big pay high name targets, and bounty contractors would get the satisfaction of knowing that their targets are dead and in the neg on their isk bank  Well, this would be far too open to abuse. Some bored hotshot, called Newbslayer, sits around Dodixie and picks out random casual called Captain Zoidberg, who is 2 months into the game and still doing LvL 3 missions in his spanking new drake. Newbslayer puts a 5bn ISK bounty on Zoidberg and kills him 20 seconds later. Then cleans up the pod with some smarties. Newbie Zoidberg is now 5bn ISK in the red. Has lost his mission ship. Even if he sells of all his assets he will still be in debt and unable to buy a replacement ship. With no way to recover from the loss and unwilling to spend >100 $ on Plexx Zoidberg now throws the towel and unsubribes. Congrats, you just griefed someone out of the game. Cala Edit: This doesn't have to be a newbie either. Any alliance/corp that enjoys griefing and has too many ISK to burn can simply put out 50bn ISK bounty on a single player. Overall I don't think your idea works if implemented like this.
Ok, so full price bounty would be needed... But also remember you are getting an interest fee every month, so you don't wanna make a bounty and not follow up on it.
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Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:10:00 -
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A quick note.. Last Winter we had Incursion, Incarna. This year new ships, gfx, balances, all great neat things. But can we tag the big problems?
CCP is like a government attempting to distract its citizens, so that the real issues can be delayed.
Come on CCP, just dedicate one guy to fixing the bounty - find some Manager, and then make him plan out your internal approach to get new bounty system up and running. Followed by announcement, that you are now handling the issues, followed by a deadline.
Then deliver; even if it is half baked, but it is still would be better than what we got right now. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 01:59:00 -
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This issue is not resolveD! |

Commander Mujuro
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:45:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bountyhunting_Improvements_%28CSM%29
Bounty hunting is not as hard to do as many think. First thing is to remove the ability to be able to see the bounty the only time you should be able to see the total bounty collected is in the kill mail with who payed out totals. In order to collect bountys this will be a trained skill to unlock bounty hunter agents who will give the bounty hunter their mark at random. The bounty hunter then will need to take that mark to a locater agent that then will give player info. You now can hunt them down in any sec space without concord getting involved |

Joneleth Rein
Delta vane Corp. Nostradamus Effect
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:51:00 -
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Singeabooty Raj wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Singeabooty Raj wrote:The bounty system is so worth it for the mails that poor capsuleers send generally begging and trying to negotiate a deal split the bounty. They do ? How do you achieve that ? I don't care about tears, they **** me off, but i'm curious. I mean ... i just kill them ... so how do you do it ? lol I understand you a 100% But here me out, currently I just lost everything. My corp, my only mission running ship, I took the initiative to buy a plex which costed me 20 bucks hoping to be a good investment but I only got scammed out of it. Money is not easy for meto come by. I feel very stupid about it. I'm just hoping I could have redemtion with you trusting me or better yet, get a friend of yours to do it for you and split it however you want with each other but I humbly ask you donate a billion of it for me kindly. I'm open for anything, willing to join your corp for a given time to obtain that trust or anything else for that matter as I am unable to give you a security deposit.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.25 15:32 To: , Lol. I actually did undock in my pod last night when full to the gut with red wine. Nobody was quick enough to get a lock though ;( Despite your noble words sir I would still require a security deposit of 800m Interstellar Kredits to partake in the services you are offering to provide. I offer my sincere apologies if this in not a satisfacotry conclusion to our negotiations, ;p
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.25 02:13 To: , I wish I could come up with something that can show guarantee to be honest. All I can say at the moment is to take my word on it but I know with such a prestigious person such as yourself it means nothing. I don't know. I see it as a win win for you if I do or don't cause people wouldnt always be after ya or that and with a lot of mula. But I really would give you the amount as I posted before as I would. I take 1 bil and give the rest back to you. I can't compete with you. You can grief me, kick my ass 24/7, I'm nothing. I just really need some help getting a nice sum of doe to get on my feet. Tell me what I can do for you, I'd do anything.
Re: Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.24 08:19 To: , So enlighten me as to what guarantee I have once leave station and insta warp my pod to you to be blown up that you then trasnfer the agreed balance to my wallet? This is why I require the deposit you see.
Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.24 01:45 To: , Damn, I don't have the doe. But also logically if I had that much money and was able to earn that much I wouldn't be offering to kill ya to obtain a billion of your bounty and give you the rest. I hope you can trust me and I am more than willing to do this on your own time. I'm a one man corp trying to get started. No purpose of me trying to **** ya off cause I am deliberately in no conditrion to fight back. So I can assure you, I would do my best to keep ya happy. lol
Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.23 15:24 To: This sounds like a satisfactory offer to me Sir. So as I can feel safe in the knowledge that you will not trick me please send me a security deposit of 800m ISK to put my mind at ease. When transferring the ISK put "Bounty Security Deposit" as the Description. Please confirm the date/time that you would like to come to Amarr to complete the terms of this transaction. Regards,
Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.23 10:41 To: , Yo, let me come and kill you perdy plz. So I can have a billion of ya bounty and give the rest to you. <3 lotta love.
I can't stop laughing
Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig. |

the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.11.04 03:23:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Which is why the entire bounty system is inherently flawed.
Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk..
Well, almost. If the bounty hunters were badass NPCs it might work. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 04:30:00 -
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I thought the bounty system was for n00bs to make themselves look like dangerous criminals, and a way to insult someone by offering a 10 ISK bounty...all they're really worth.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:11:00 -
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Still waiting on CCP's ETA for a New Bounty System. |

Selinate
99
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Posted - 2011.11.06 16:02:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Loop holes are probably the biggest hurdle for the development team they do not want ot create a system where payouts are advantable by the bountied victim.
I'm not sure they could make it much worse than it already is as far as this goes.... |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.11.06 16:38:00 -
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They are making it worse, by simply ignoring this issue. I fully expect them to deliver the change next summer. Forget Winter, winter is just a GFX update and ships stats changes. Their real deliverance will be in the summer. |

Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:17:00 -
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Ajion wrote:They are making it worse, by simply ignoring this issue. I fully expect them to deliver the change next summer. Forget Winter, winter is just a GFX update and ships stats changes. Their real deliverance will be in the summer.
I, too, would like to see a usable bounty system, or the current one removed. Then I wouldn't have to have anything tied up in bounties. Only doing that now because there's nothing else the bounty system in its current incarnation is good for.
Visit www.eohpoker.com and enjoy EVE's oldest ISK gaming service! |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:47:00 -
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Selene D'Celeste wrote: I, too, would like to see a usable bounty system, or the current one removed. Then I wouldn't have to have anything tied up in bounties. Only doing that now because there's nothing else the bounty system in its current incarnation is good for.
We must be patient and loud enough so that CCP hears us! |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.19 15:49:00 -
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Winter expansion is looking really good and more things are to come. However, never forget, that bounty system is still very much DEAD!
CCP Think summer expansion and Bounty System = WIN! |

Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.11.19 16:56:00 -
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Its human nature, not a flaw of any mechanic. As long as there are alternate accounts in eve there will be no bounty system that can possibly "work as intended".
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.20 00:36:00 -
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There is always a way man, you have just got to think a little harder, and have the will to implement it, |

Elrich Kouvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:53:00 -
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CCP is affraid that if they reward bounty hunters, there will never be any piracy going on. Therefore they need to fix piracy first. Since pirates don't earn any isk from their kills, they won't be able to make any isk from their labor to replace ships and stuff. CCP needs to put value into piracy to make it profitable(more theft not murder). Then CCP can use any of the many fine ideas that so many players have been offering to fix the bounty hunter problem. i would suggest something that drops from ships/pods that would be highly valuable to pirate factions or any faction, and let the pirate turn it in to get some isk. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:08:00 -
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Ranka Mei wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Those must be some really stupid pilots. I'd just kill myself with an alt and keep the whole bounty.
Which is why the entire bounty system is inherently flawed. Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk.
orly? I think it's quite solvable, actually:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=345394
The important elements are (1) To link bounty contracts with killrights (2) To restrict who is able to accept a specific bounty contract (3) To limit individual bounty payouts to less than the irreduceable loss suffered by the perp
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:12:00 -
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Elrich Kouvo wrote:CCP is affraid that if they reward bounty hunters, there will never be any piracy going on...
Bollocks. Seriously.
CCP is "afraid" of no such thing. The only thing that CCP is "afraid" of is dealing with the horribly tangled logic that constitutes the "crimewatch" system that looks after sec status, CONCORD and hi-sec aggression rules. Which has left us with a system that condemns my ship to be CONCORDED for ECM-bursting an empty disposable jet can, but I merely get a 15 minute aggro timer for stealing everything in it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:30:00 -
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Quote:Current Bounty Hunting system does equate to excellence - it indicates mediocrity. "mediocrity" would generally indicate that the system works to some degree, which it does not. The bounty system needs to be a pool which is drawn from a smallish (like 20-40%) portion of destroyed asset value (ships, mods, implants, etc). While one could still destroy their own pod/ships from an alt to collect the bounty themselves, this would still result in them taking a 60-80% loss overall. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.11.27 00:34:00 -
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Keeping the drum of reason loud! We want a better bounty hunting system! |

supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
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Posted - 2011.11.27 03:26:00 -
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Simple answer, some fuckin thingy you poop outa came up with the word "soon" since then, nothing ever got done, it was just slated to get done soon. |

ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: (2) To restrict who is able to accept a specific bounty contract
FFS Malcanis, how can you make such a dumb statement. You're probably one of the few people in this thread who could figure out who my main is.
How in f***s name are you going to stop my ratting alt with a +5 sec status from accepting the bounty on my pirate alt account.Your proposals, while better than a hell of a lot I've read, still don't address this problem - they just try to make it less likely, with the trade off of limiting who can accept the bounty contract - which means that its less likely that anyone will accept the contract. |

Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
312
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:43:00 -
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see below ;) a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.27 06:07:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Loop holes are probably the biggest hurdle for the development team they do not want ot create a system where payouts are advantable by the bountied victim. I'm not sure they could make it much worse than it already is as far as this goes....
Trust me Ive hanged out long enough in FnI to the point I managed to exploit enough of the new suggest bounty systems and other similar ideas that made people feel really stupid about thier own ideas as they be used as tools agaisnt the very thing they're suggesting against.
Bounty by ship type/value kill is by far the best comprimise.
Why is it a comprimise?
Becuase killing a frigate isnt going to be worth the suicde and the payout. and it may take years to fully pay out some of the most bountied people in Eve in the same manner.
What is worse than giving the bountied person money you ask? The suggested immunity (or a collection shield) being granted to the one bountied I've been seeing pop up here and there every often.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
333
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Posted - 2011.11.27 09:30:00 -
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Ajion wrote:If i recall correctly from Alliance Tournament 9, during live video breaks, there ran a short clip telling us of a new Bounty Hunting system that is coming soon. Is that in the pipeline for the Winter Expansion? Or do we have to rely on this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1502656http://eve-bigshot.com/?site=homeI love how our community is able to come up with the ways to fix the problem, and yet CCP is still in drawing boards? Can i get a hint when or if that is going to happen this Winter or do we have to wait till Dust514?
You are so funny!
New good features based on old uncompleted content!! I am convulsing in laughter!
Bounty, on the shelf with all other abandoned content. I hear the new bounty system works by finding a bounty agent and walking to his office in a station.... Dooh!
Well, good luck with that.
Issler
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Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
9
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:52:00 -
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Oh come on - me being funny ;) - is the last thing this forum ever gets, mostly it is just bitching. Main point here, however is that the current Bounty System is a dead cow, and those that defend it are the flies and the lice. Those that want something better are the very courage the CCP was all about, and hopeful is still.
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Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
9
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Posted - 2011.12.04 04:12:00 -
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Thank you CCP, good start on the winter expansion, can;t wait for the Assault Frigate changes.. but but but .. Bounty Hunting mechanism is still broken ;p |
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