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Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.10.30 06:04:00 -
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If i recall correctly from Alliance Tournament 9, during live video breaks, there ran a short clip telling us of a new Bounty Hunting system that is coming soon.
Is that in the pipeline for the Winter Expansion?
Or do we have to rely on this:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1502656
http://eve-bigshot.com/?site=home
I love how our community is able to come up with the ways to fix the problem, and yet CCP is still in drawing boards?
Can i get a hint when or if that is going to happen this Winter or do we have to wait till Dust514? |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
174
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Posted - 2011.10.30 06:40:00 -
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Loop holes are probably the biggest hurdle for the development team they do not want ot create a system where payouts are advantable by the bountied victim. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
48
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Posted - 2011.10.30 07:09:00 -
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It wasn't a new bounty system.
And yeah it fooled me too. But it was an advertisement for a corp called New Eden Bounties. They were trying to find a way to incorporate it into their corp so that you can HIRE members of their corp as bounty hunters.
This was the advert during the AT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ypz9CQzQg
And this is their corp website, but not much on it. http://www.newedenbounties.com/
From a thread that popped up not long after the AT,
Edit: just to be clear, this was a player sponsored add, not a ccpromise. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
2
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:48:00 -
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Thank JC, looks like we are back to square one. Players are attempting to do CCP's job.
I truly hoped it was CCP's ad, i guess i was naive.
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
49
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:50:00 -
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Ajion wrote:Thank JC, looks like we are back to square one. Players are attempting to do CCP's job.
I truly hoped it was CCP's ad, i guess i was naive.
Yeah, when I first thought the ads were from CCP, I was excited too. :(
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
32
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Posted - 2011.10.30 14:59:00 -
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+1 internets just for linking Bigshot from cowboy bebop :-P brilliant |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:08:00 -
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It would good for CCP to at least attempt to fix the bounty system. I mean, it is totally useless right now.
All they have to do, is to announce that the following expansions are going to have experiments with the bounty system, so that they can figure out which one works the best.
Since the current system is pretty much a dead horse and rotting, and nobody would mind the experimentation, cause at least it would be a sign of progress rather than stagnation.
And the funniest part, all CCP has to do, is look up player's suggestions and start from there, cause any one idea from the community is far better than what we got right now, which is nothing, just a label.
Or maybe CCP is afraid of the Troll army that will rise to defend that dead horse? Cause when we finally can hunt down suicide gangers and pirates in empire. The empire sec and the game will get a new flavor and an ISK sink ;) |

Amro One
One.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:50:00 -
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Why do you fail so much? |

Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
4
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:09:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:It wasn't a new bounty system. And yeah it fooled me too. But it was an advertisement for a corp called New Eden Bounties. They were trying to find a way to incorporate it into their corp so that you can HIRE members of their corp as bounty hunters. This was the advert during the AT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ypz9CQzQgAnd this is their corp website, but not much on it. http://www.newedenbounties.com/From a thread that popped up not long after the AT, Edit: just to be clear, this was a player sponsored add, not a ccpromise.
Bounty system is a total waste of time, it's mainly being used by EOH characters for their advertising on screen in the CQ. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
86
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:14:00 -
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I believe the use of words here is a bit ... off.
The bounty system is not COMPLETELY useless. That's the wrong wording, really.
Saying that, i know that it's borked against people with really high bounty. They can either shoot themselves via an alt or a friend, or hardly get caught anyway.
The EOH-ppl ... well ... a few of them log on every day, but i didn't check where they are or if they stay docked all day.
Mind you, my secstatus makes it a bit hard to find out, because i'm shooting bountypods in highsec and get CONCORDed for this... *lol*
I still make profit though ... so it's not TOTALLY useless. Ratting myself up again is a bit of a hassle, but i can live with that.
I'd prefer having pods with bounties being free game. Not the ships... unless they are <= -5 though ...
But as soon as the ship pops, the bounty-pod should be free game.
That would help a lot already, at least from my experience.
What i also would like to see is, that the bounty-list is extended or searchable for "amounts", instead of having a toplist.
It's easier to find and pod people with lower bounties. I know that simply because i'm doing it. :)
And ... i already have found my next prey ... ... a guy with a 100 Million pod ... ... and i'm really enjoying this ... ... so the system ain't THAT useless ... ... just to mention it one last time.
Hi there if you read this, you know i'm talking to you ! :D
I can wait ....... :) |

Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
37
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:16:00 -
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The bounty system is so worth it for the mails that poor capsuleers send generally begging and trying to negotiate a deal split the bounty. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
86
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:25:00 -
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Singeabooty Raj wrote:The bounty system is so worth it for the mails that poor capsuleers send generally begging and trying to negotiate a deal split the bounty.
They do ? How do you achieve that ?
I don't care about tears, they **** me off, but i'm curious.
I mean ... i just kill them ... so how do you do it ? lol
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Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
4
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Posted - 2011.10.30 17:28:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
The EOH-ppl ... well ... a few of them log on every day, but i didn't check where they are or if they stay docked all day. it. :)
Just look at one of their bios, that should give you the answer. |

Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
38
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:41:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Singeabooty Raj wrote:The bounty system is so worth it for the mails that poor capsuleers send generally begging and trying to negotiate a deal split the bounty. They do ? How do you achieve that ? I don't care about tears, they **** me off, but i'm curious. I mean ... i just kill them ... so how do you do it ? lol I understand you a 100%
But here me out, currently I just lost everything. My corp, my only mission running ship, I took the initiative to buy a plex which costed me 20 bucks hoping to be a good investment but I only got scammed out of it. Money is not easy for meto come by. I feel very stupid about it.
I'm just hoping I could have redemtion with you trusting me or better yet, get a friend of yours to do it for you and split it however you want with each other but I humbly ask you donate a billion of it for me kindly.
I'm open for anything, willing to join your corp for a given time to obtain that trust or anything else for that matter as I am unable to give you a security deposit.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.25 15:32 To: ,
Lol. I actually did undock in my pod last night when full to the gut with red wine. Nobody was quick enough to get a lock though ;(
Despite your noble words sir I would still require a security deposit of 800m Interstellar Kredits to partake in the services you are offering to provide.
I offer my sincere apologies if this in not a satisfacotry conclusion to our negotiations, ;p
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.25 02:13 To: ,
I wish I could come up with something that can show guarantee to be honest. All I can say at the moment is to take my word on it but I know with such a prestigious person such as yourself it means nothing.
I don't know. I see it as a win win for you if I do or don't cause people wouldnt always be after ya or that and with a lot of mula. But I really would give you the amount as I posted before as I would. I take 1 bil and give the rest back to you.
I can't compete with you. You can grief me, kick my ass 24/7, I'm nothing. I just really need some help getting a nice sum of doe to get on my feet.
Tell me what I can do for you, I'd do anything.
Re: Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.24 08:19 To: ,
So enlighten me as to what guarantee I have once leave station and insta warp my pod to you to be blown up that you then trasnfer the agreed balance to my wallet?
This is why I require the deposit you see.
Re: Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.24 01:45 To: ,
Damn, I don't have the doe. But also logically if I had that much money and was able to earn that much I wouldn't be offering to kill ya to obtain a billion of your bounty and give you the rest.
I hope you can trust me and I am more than willing to do this on your own time. I'm a one man corp trying to get started. No purpose of me trying to **** ya off cause I am deliberately in no conditrion to fight back. So I can assure you, I would do my best to keep ya happy. lol
Re: Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.23 15:24 To:
This sounds like a satisfactory offer to me Sir. So as I can feel safe in the knowledge that you will not trick me please send me a security deposit of 800m ISK to put my mind at ease. When transferring the ISK put "Bounty Security Deposit" as the Description. Please confirm the date/time that you would like to come to Amarr to complete the terms of this transaction.
Regards,
Bounty From: Sent: 2011.10.23 10:41 To: ,
Yo, let me come and kill you perdy plz. So I can have a billion of ya bounty and give the rest to you.
<3 lotta love. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
159
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:43:00 -
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Singeabooty Raj wrote:The bounty system is so worth it for the mails that poor capsuleers send generally begging and trying to negotiate a deal split the bounty.
Those must be some really stupid pilots. I'd just kill myself with an alt and keep the whole bounty.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Those must be some really stupid pilots. I'd just kill myself with an alt and keep the whole bounty.
Which is why the entire bounty system is inherently flawed.
Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk.
Bounties in real life work because A) you can really die on a 'dead or alive' (so there's a real risk), instead of respawning on the scene; or B) you go to prison for a very long time when caught. Neither of these apply to EVE, making the bounty system just a cash-cow for the perp with the bounty on his head.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
4
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:12:00 -
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Quote:Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk.
I think there is always a way that CCP can come up with at least an improved version of a bounty system. I mean all they got to do is just look into the ideas that people suggest. For example:
Concord gives out random licensees to the wanna be "bounty hunters". Think of these licensees, as license to kill, authorized by CONCORD. These licensees are granted to players with security level 3.0 and above. Licensees are a commodity so they can be traded, as there is a limited number of them, - here CCP can work out a mechanic of how it is delivered and replenished.
How does bounty hunter gets the right to kill another player? When the intended "criminal" reaches a bounty say of a100 mil, and his security level drops below -1.0. This would authorize a bounty to pod him, and unless he is podded, bounty hunter can choose to destroying his ships, instead. When he finally does pod him, license is revoked on the target and he gets paid.
Bringing a fights 1 on 1 in empire.
This is my idea in less than 5 mins of thinking on it, and it is by far better than what we have now.
I hope you can agree that there is ALWAY room for CCP to do something about this, unfortunately it seems it is a dead mule that CCP wants to ignore, as long as possible.
Bounty system is essential to a healthy empire, and what we got is stagnation. Just think how quickly the miners would respond to those Goons ;) But placing bounties on their hads and the privateers would indirectly protect them.
Fun for everyone.
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Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:53:00 -
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Ah, when I read this thread's title I was hoping that there finally something would have been done on the bounty system, but - unfortunately - that is not the case.
Of course a bounty system could be created which could not be abused. There were at least two proposals of such systems in the old boards, both including some kind of contracts and additional skills.
It just has to low a priority and not very much support by the PvPer's player base, since it could actually harm their playstyle by becoming hunted themselves by capable PvPers instead of them hunting more or less helpless miners and PvMers. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
4
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:02:00 -
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Juwi Kotch wrote:It just has to low a priority and not very much support by the PvPer's player base, since it could actually harm their playstyle by becoming hunted themselves by capable PvPers instead of them hunting more or less helpless miners and PvMers.
Ohh, man you nailed it!
Right now, Pirating is encouraged and is done, yet anti-pirating is not. It is like Wild West without the marshals. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
204
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:32:00 -
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The New Bounty System EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |

Hyacinthous
Sibyl Cadre
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:38:00 -
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Ajion wrote:It would good for CCP to at least attempt to fix the bounty system. I mean, it is totally useless right now.
All they have to do, is to announce that the following expansions are going to have experiments with the bounty system, so that they can figure out which one works the best.
Since the current system is pretty much a dead horse and rotting, and nobody would mind the experimentation, cause at least it would be a sign of progress rather than stagnation.
And the funniest part, all CCP has to do, is look up player's suggestions and start from there, cause any one idea from the community is far better than what we got right now, which is nothing, just a label.
Or maybe CCP is afraid of the Troll army that will rise to defend that dead horse? Cause when we finally can hunt down suicide gangers and pirates in empire. The empire sec and the game will get a new flavor and an ISK sink ;)
+ Infinity & world favor
CCP needs to adapt or die. |

Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
5
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:43:00 -
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Hyacinthous wrote:CCP needs to adapt or die.
Nah man CCP does not need to adapt or die, all they go to do, HTFU and do their job, like they said " Strive for excellence!"
Current Bounty Hunting system does equate to excellence - it indicates mediocrity.
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Inari Kobayashi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:22:00 -
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Ajion wrote:Quote:Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk. I think there is always a way that CCP can come up with at least an improved version of a bounty system. I mean all they got to do is just look into the ideas that people suggest. For example: Concord gives out random licensees to the wanna be "bounty hunters". Think of these licensees, as license to kill, authorized by CONCORD. These licensees are granted to players with security level 3.0 and above. Licensees are a commodity so they can be traded, as there is a limited number of them, - here CCP can work out a mechanic of how it is delivered and replenished. How does bounty hunter gets the right to kill another player? When the intended "criminal" reaches a bounty say of a100 mil, and his security level drops below -1.0. This would authorize a bounty to pod him, and unless he is podded, bounty hunter can choose to destroying his ships, instead. When he finally does pod him, license is revoked on the target and he gets paid. Bringing 1 on 1 fights in empire. This is my idea in less than 5 mins of thinking on it, and it is by far better than what we have now. I hope you can agree that there is ALWAY room for CCP to do something about this, unfortunately it seems it is a dead mule that CCP wants to ignore, as long as possible. Bounty system is essential to a healthy empire, and what we got is stagnation. Just think how quickly the miners would respond to those Goons ;) But placing bounties on their hads and the privateers would indirectly protect them. Fun for everyone.
Great idea but could even simplfy it a bit
If A wants to take out a bounty on B then has to buy a bounty from Concord this gives A a fully transferrable contract to kill B for a limited period of time (1 week or 1 month at different rates). Buying bounty puts the amount of the bounty into escrow.
A can put the bounty contract up on the contract system (and risk an alt of B picking it up) or trade it to a known bounty hunter corp/player.
Basic bounty works for 0.0 or low sec but A has to pay a premium for a high sec bounty to allow kills in high sec. This would be paid to Concord and amount to a real ISK sink (no bad thing as far as the economy is concerned).
Bounty can only be taken out on players with negative security rating.
Bounty generates kill mail to show A what has happened and the total loss to B. I am sure with a system like this bounty hunter reputations would soon spring up to ensure a robust mechanic.
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Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:48:00 -
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Yet, another great example, How another Player(Inari Kobayashi) came up in a short time with a better Bounty System than a current one. And he is not even paid to think on this!
Thus, it is inexcusable for CCP to have a Bounty Hunting System that is almost 8 years old and without any change, since the Beta - Please, allow it to sink into your mind deep and hard.. - 8 years nothing change, Still with me? |

Lord Kreza
Rekall Incorporated
13
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:57:00 -
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Ajion wrote:Yet, another great example, How another Player(Inari Kobayashi) came up in a short time with a better Bounty System than a current one. And he is not even paid to think on this!
Thus, it is inexcusable for CCP to have a Bounty Hunting System that is almost 8 years old and without any change, since the Beta - Please, allow it to sink into your mind deep and hard.. - 8 years nothing change, Still with me?
What he said ^^^ |

Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp Flatline.
51
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:22:00 -
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Inari Kobayashi wrote:Great idea but could even simplfy it a bit
If A wants to take out a bounty on B then has to buy a bounty from Concord this gives A a fully transferrable contract to kill B for a limited period of time (1 week or 1 month at different rates). Buying bounty puts the amount of the bounty into escrow.
A can put the bounty contract up on the contract system (and risk an alt of B picking it up) or trade it to a known bounty hunter corp/player.
Basic bounty works for 0.0 or low sec but A has to pay a premium for a high sec bounty to allow kills in high sec. This would be paid to Concord and amount to a real ISK sink (no bad thing as far as the economy is concerned).
Bounty can only be taken out on players with negative security rating.
Bounty generates kill mail to show A what has happened and the total loss to B. I am sure with a system like this bounty hunter reputations would soon spring up to ensure a robust mechanic.
+1 Very solid concept
Have you thought of posting this in the 'Features & Ideas Discussion'? |

Stinkeye Cletus
CompleXion Industries CompleXion Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:32:00 -
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It is kind of odd they havent changed the system yet, And I really cant imagine any one being against improveing it.
Im doubting CCP is going to do anything about it soon. But it would be a nice surprise if they did. |

NE Bounties CEO
New Eden Bounties
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:46:00 -
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Ajion wrote:If i recall correctly from Alliance Tournament 9, during live video breaks, there ran a short clip telling us of a new Bounty Hunting system that is coming soon.
JC Anderson wrote:It wasn't a new bounty system. And yeah it fooled me too. But it was an advertisement for a corp called New Eden Bounties. They were trying to find a way to incorporate it into their corp so that you can HIRE members of their corp as bounty hunters. This was the advert during the AT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ypz9CQzQgAnd this is their corp website, but not much on it. http://www.newedenbounties.com/From a thread that popped up not long after the AT, Edit: just to be clear, this was a player sponsored add, not a ccpromise.
Correct, this was not a CCP advert but an advert for New Eden Bounties. It's a system that is being developed at the moment (slowely) and will hopefully be launched come Fanfest 2012.
However, please note that we are not affiliated with the Big Shot bounty service, which seems to be mostly inactive.
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Ajion
AZOIK FLEET AZOIK EMPIRE
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:36:00 -
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NE Bounties CEO wrote: Correct, this was not a CCP advert but an advert for New Eden Bounties. It's a system that is being developed at the moment (slowely) and will hopefully be launched come Fanfest 2012.
However, please note that we are not affiliated with the Big Shot bounty service, which seems to be mostly inactive.
Thank you for doing CCP's job, but no thank you. I and many other players, do not wish to use 3'rd parties bounty hunting system. It is not new player friendly, it is annoying and in the long run rarely works. However, your project continues to demonstrate either the arrogance or incompetence of leadership at CCP.
Calapine wrote:Have you thought of posting this in the 'Features & Ideas Discussion'?
Calapine, do you not think, that in the last 8 years, someone would have come up with even better ideas, than what we proposed here?
I think it is time to take this issue outside of the dark closest of Features & Ideas, since 8 years was not long enough for developers and management to get a hint! And stick it where it belongs in the General Discussion, because the Bounty Hunting System is so dead, that i am not even sure people are aware it even exist or how it actually meant to work!
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Hershman
G-Weezy
40
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:52:00 -
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Just throwing spaghetti at the wall here:
What if bounty comes out of the targets wallet?
It would be a doube whammy to the big pay high name targets, and bounty contractors would get the satisfaction of knowing that their targets are dead and in the neg on their isk bank 
Of course a substantial percentage fee would be required to set up a bounty in the first place. Like 75% of the bounty you offer, which is kept by the bounty office... |
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