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Grinder2210
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:46:00 -
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You Decide
CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
Im all for helping and teaching new players the game, but the wording clearly sets ground work makeing shooting any new player in any system a offance
Old Wording :
Warning: Attempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as can flipping them, in these systems is prohibited.
New Wording :
Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team. |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:47:00 -
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RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:48:00 -
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I like the new rules. Gives new players a chance. |
Vobard
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:50:00 -
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I'd shoot it. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
886
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:53:00 -
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Oh noes, how dare a company want to retain its new paying customers for longer than a day
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
571
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:53:00 -
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Grinder2210 wrote:You Decide CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_SystemsIm all for helping and teaching new players the game, but the wording clearly sets ground work makeing shooting any new player in any system a offance
And?
New players should be left alone. That's how the population will grow. Once they've got to grips with the game and they are at the point where they won't immediately delete the game when they lose a ship, they can be ganked.
And dude... your current corp and corp history shows you are not one who cares much about rules.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
672
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:54:00 -
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Keep in mind that most newbies dont know how to petition you in the first place. |
Vobard
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:57:00 -
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Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
596
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:01:00 -
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no more easy targets for you, eh? 
GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Tikitina
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:01:00 -
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Vobard wrote:Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action.
Since when is Jita a Rookie System?
Grinder2210 wrote:
CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:02:00 -
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how long is a player considered a rookie?
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Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:04:00 -
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embrel wrote:how long is a player considered a rookie?
^this... dumb rules are dumb.. |
Vobard
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:05:00 -
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Tikitina wrote:Vobard wrote:Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action. Since when is Jita a Rookie System? Grinder2210 wrote:
CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...
You probably missed the part in the change where this is not confined to rookie systems anymore. |
Vobard
Corporation 310526
8
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:06:00 -
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embrel wrote:how long is a player considered a rookie?
A senior GM once told me a rookie is any player 30 days old or less.
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
7080
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:10:00 -
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Who actually scams noobies? IF you're doing that you seriously need to wake up.
However, treating new people like this is getting on my nerves now, but in the long run, it just means you can scam them for more when they're an older character |
Vobard
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:17:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Who actually scams noobies? IF you're doing that you seriously need to wake up.
However, treating new people like this is getting on my nerves now, but in the long run, it just means you can scam them for more when they're an older character
I'll just make 5 rookie alts for eyes and be immune because they are rookies right? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2517
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:28:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:embrel wrote:how long is a player considered a rookie?
^this... dumb rules are dumb..
So long as the GM decides you are using unfairly deceptive or overwhelming ways to abuse new players just for kicks. Repeatedly suicide ganking a month-old character inside his level 1 missions will get you in trouble. Killing a two day old newb running around lowsec in a cruiser is fine. It's up to the GM ultimately.
Why not go pick on someone who's already hooked onto Eve and has some chance to at least know what's going on? Not only is it more sporting and fair than sucker-punching people who don't even know how to align to empty space, but you'd also not be hurting Eve as a game and community by giving newcomers a chance to adapt.
Yes, the rules are subjective. But if you're concerned about a GM getting involved, then the GM should probably be involved. In other words, HTFU, GTFO, or a GM will make you.
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Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:34:00 -
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Good change imo, finally a stick for the GMs to beat the sackless clowns with. Newbies in newbie systems are off limits and any one trying to make up "logic" for why that's wrong is terrible. |
Grinder2210
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:38:00 -
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Ok i have A pritty good idea what a rookie is ( A rookie is any Player under 30days old )
The wording now isnt Rookie its New player so now i have to ask whats a new player is that anyone with less experance
'Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game "
Idk about you but ive met players with no pvp knowledge at all after playing for 10years ... .....
"This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players" "Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions "
Ok so your sitting outside Jita 44 in a shiney new gank Nado random suspect undocks you fire Suspect die's you lol Few days later you get a Worning for attacking rookies
Fact is this Could happen just read the rule im not saying it is happening IDK but If Players have to Check the age of every player thay shoot in every system there in Includeing LowSec and Null space this to me in unfar to Every Player in EVE |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3905
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:38:00 -
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So i once ganked a month old player who sat afk at a highsec gate
in a 320mill bling daredevil.
Ban me?
What about those people who shoot to recruit?
Many do this and it works greatly.
Will you also ban bittervets who sit in rookiechat tricking new players into mining and mission,
basically hurting their experience by exploiting that they don't know better?
They should be banned! |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1044
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:43:00 -
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Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tikitina
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:46:00 -
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Vobard wrote:Tikitina wrote:Vobard wrote:Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action. Since when is Jita a Rookie System? Grinder2210 wrote:
CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...
You probably missed the part in the change where this is not confined to rookie systems anymore.
Probably a good change and most likely a result of players trying to work around the existing rules.
You reap what you sew. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
496
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:48:00 -
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TL;DR: Systems in question didn't change they just made it more clear.
Previously the warning was a tiny box at the bottom which could easily be missed.
I would quite often inform can flippers in local they were breaking rules and they had no idea because the information just wasn't there for them.
This is a good move my CCP by both expanding it to "don't mess with newbies" and placing it at the top of the article.
Let's be honest ripping of a one hour old newbie or blowing him up does nothing positive for the game and there is no way you can spin it in your favour as immersive or sandbox gameplay when you're talking about someone who has no idea at all about the game.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3385
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:48:00 -
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Right out of the box I am going to expect people who see a problem with this to be noob harvesters and there's no way they are not scumbags in the real world too.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
1235
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:50:00 -
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Gatecamps............gatecamps at every stargate on the otherside on Starter systems...littered with wrecks and thrashers...
I'm currently taking bets on the following:
- CCP Games becomes EA Games' property.
- EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Eugene Spencer
Appetite 4 Destruction
180
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:53:00 -
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I don't see why this is a problem at all. Lets face it, it's not really going to affect the average EVE non-noob. Unless you get your kicks from bullying noobs. But then you're a bawbag anyway and your opinion is irrelevant.
I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:54:00 -
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Vobard wrote:Tikitina wrote:Vobard wrote:Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action. Since when is Jita a Rookie System? Grinder2210 wrote:
CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...
You probably missed the part in the change where this is not confined to rookie systems anymore.
No, it specifically says in the rookie systems still. It's insane that the factory lines in them are constantly filled just so people can try to sell rookies the civilian afterburners. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2517
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:54:00 -
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Grinder2210 wrote:Ok i have A pritty good idea what a rookie is ( A rookie is any Player under 30days old )
The wording now isnt Rookie its New player so now i have to ask whats a new player is that anyone with less experance
'Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game "
Idk about you but ive met players with no pvp knowledge at all after playing for 10years ... .....
"This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players" "Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions "
Ok so your sitting outside Jita 44 in a shiney new gank Nado random suspect undocks you fire Suspect die's you lol Few days later you get a Worning for attacking rookies
Fact is this Could happen just read the rule im not saying it is happening IDK but If Players have to Check the age of every player thay shoot in every system there in Includeing LowSec and Null space this to me in unfar to Every Player in EVE
You seem to have misplaced all of your periods at the end of one line. You might want to spread those out.
Last night I ganked a Thrasher that was running level missions out of my station in lowsec. Why? Because it was a Thrasher running level missions out of my station in lowsec, and such behavior is simply not allowed. Only later did I realize he was a 1.5 month old newbie who really stood no chance (didn't even know he could re-dock upon being shot). Would I get banned for doing this? Hardly. The fact he was a clueless newb had no bearing on my actions.
Now, if I performed the same gank out in 0.9 space, it is far more likely that I am just doing it for trolling newbies. The gank in lowsec nets me a safer/emptier home system, and possibly some loot to make my time worth it. The hisec gank, not so much, which only leaves "for lulz" as a reason. As per the article on grief play:
Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
Are you taking advantage of inexperience in your opponents in order to have some tangible profit or victory? You're fine. Are you picking on inexperienced players just to make their lives miserable? You gon' have a bad time.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4608
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:04:00 -
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Vobard wrote:Tikitina wrote:Vobard wrote:Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action. Since when is Jita a Rookie System? Grinder2210 wrote:
CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...
You probably missed the part in the change where this is not confined to rookie systems anymore.
Hmmmm.... specifically it says
Quote:Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.
It does not say "Starter system restrictions will now be strictly enforced throughout EVE" as you are trying to infer.
I know you hate the phrase "as deemed necessary" because it takes away those nifty loopholes you like to try to exploit, but you're going to have to man up now and actually act like part of this gaming community... instead of victimizing the helpless. And by helpless I don't mean people that are bad at EVE... I mean people that don't even know the game rules well enough to find out if they ARE bad at EVE.
Use some common sense and quit farming targets that have no game knowledge yet. All you are doing is hurting the game for everyone. They'll be viable targets soon enough.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Grinder2210
Corporation 310526
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:31:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
It does not say "Starter system restrictions will now be strictly enforced throughout EVE" as you are trying to infer.
That pritty much exactly what it says
Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.
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