But, and i might be to optimistic here, i dont think CCP is looking to make new players "off limits" for griefing and similar

Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.

Its a..difficult situation and i dont envy those who have to try and find a balance between the two that can work as intended without ruining the core idea of EVE (dark, hash, violent, your best friend is going to stab you in the back).

I'll go ahead and send out another statement, to anyone who is "pro" the new change.

Stop looking at the intent, and think about what is actually being said, and how it might be used and abused.

The change simply reinforces that CCP has the right to terminate your account at any time for any reason. That has always been in the TOS.

You need to remember that EVE players are the worst community when it comes to gaming the rules. Any attempt to define "new player" is going to be met by griefers attempting to measure where the line is drawn. Thus the GMs are forced to make arbitrary and seemingly contradictory rulings in order to obfuscate "the line".

One simple workaround is to pick targets that are not obviously new players. Show that you actually have some skill, perhaps?

Reading up on this, I really think this is a case of an ISD poorly wording something on the wiki. If it were an actual change to rules, I suspect CCP would have published the change, much like the threadnaughts involving the latest TOS change.

I'll continue my policy of flying right through noob systems without stopping, while blasting miners in every other system I can.

This is sad, it's the continued wussification of EVE online.

Litterally hundreds of thousands of us came into this game and stayed (and continue to do so today) without having to be hand-held outside of the start system. EVE's success has come from it's edgyness, it's danger, it's ability to evoke emotions in it's players via permanent loss and lack of total safey (outside of never undocking). Why people want to kill that is beyond my ability to imagine.

Agreed, CCP is simply expanding the protected area for "new players" to the point where experienced players will exploit it for use with apies/alts/eyes and if you touch them it will be petitioned for warnings and or bans.

I am all for new players getting a chance but when the rules change to the point that older players can exploit this to their benefit then there is something wrong.

Honestly? I hope you are right. Reading it, I sense that the same hand that gave us the "no lying" clause also was responsible for this. Because it's rather asinine.

Then why does it say this?



That pretty much says all I need to know about it.

There already was a balance. Rookie systems are off limits. They have been for a while. The very reason it was confined to those system is precisely because there is no way to tell a truly new player from an alt.

Sisters of EVE Arc

One thing CCP has made abundantly clear over the years is they are new player friendly and as such, new players are off limits. If you can't get on board with that, then you best look for another game.

Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain

Nine of them would tell you that they did take a look at it once in past 10 years, but didn't like it because it was a complicated mess, more work then game, "spreadsheets in space", or something else along the lines...

But no one has ever yet told me that they won't play because the game "mistreats" newbies. So all this is a false flag on top of being nonsense in it's own right.

Might be because players that don't play it in the first place, never experience anything like that... But yea, making the game more newb (not noob) friendly is certainly needed more then creating "save zones"... that also would mean more work for CCP, of course.

I can't believe this topic is still being posted in these forums.



The Level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc takes players through a lot of different systems. Way too many to include with the new player starter system list and some of those systems are heavily populated Mission / Trade Hubs..

The level 1 Epic Arc is mentioned and directed to new players after completing only one of the career agents. As such, there could be players just a few days old in these other areas which I believe is what CCP is referring to with that statement.

In other words, if characters 30 days and younger are constantly being ganked or scammed in those other areas, then CCP will more than likely include those areas to the list as well.

This thread reminds me of various other threads from the past.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120647

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=178502

One thing CCP has made abundantly clear over the years is they are new player friendly and as such, new players are off limits. If you can't get on board with that, then you best look for another game.


DMC

I wonder if 5+ year vets wardeccing highsec noob corps will fall under this change?


I hope so. If the amount of griefer tears reaches critical mass, we might be able to open the Eve Gate with the reaction alone.

I wonder if 5+ year vets wardeccing highsec noob corps will fall under this change?


I hope so. If the amount of griefer tears reaches critical mass, we might be able to open the Eve Gate with the reaction alone.

I wonder if 5+ year vets wardeccing highsec noob corps will fall under this change?