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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:14:00 -
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Hello to all...
I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp. My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine. I always have that question. Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ? Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine. I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.
I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...
Thank you. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5965
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:18:00 -
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I didn't realize that nullsec gates had corp membership requirements to use. What risk adverse player that is scared to leave 1.0 space told you that one?
Just jumped into nullsec.... it let me through...and ive only got 1 member in corp. Cant get smaller than that. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:20:00 -
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No one told me what you say. You think a small corp can go in null sec and conquer a solar system and take it from a big alliance ? I don't think so....
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:22:00 -
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why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? freelance space bum |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11904
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:24:00 -
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Small corps are absolutely welcome in nullsec. Please contact me ingame to discuss getting your small corp set up in Vale of the Silent. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:25:00 -
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Who is the cow and what is the milk ? |

Alavaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:26:00 -
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Why can't my frigate do L4s Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
My main is out of sub ... NO, STOP BEING POOR I can't talk about my main due to TOS "clarifications" |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
700
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:26:00 -
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On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations. |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:27:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Small corps are absolutely welcome in nullsec. Please contact me ingame to discuss getting your small corp set up in Vale of the Silent.
I will contact you if my friends want also to have a taste of null sec. Thank you for your offer :) |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:29:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations.
I agree with that. But why a corp with.. lets say... 200 members, can take and hold a system and 10 corps with 200 members in total can't ? |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:31:00 -
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Alavaria wrote:Why can't my frigate do L4s
Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ? Learn the game first :P |

terzho
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:33:00 -
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Yngwiedis wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations. I agree with that. But why a corp with.. lets say... 200 members, can take and hold a system and 10 corps with 200 members in total can't ?
Who said they can't? |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:36:00 -
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Big alliances don't accept small corps as their members. So they said it in a way... Maybe they think differently. |

Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:38:00 -
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Yngwiedis wrote:Big alliances don't accept small corps as their members. So they said it in a way... Maybe they think differently.
Yeah, all those < 10 member corps in the rental alliances are there as show. Oh, you mean you want to live in null, but not have to pay to live there, or contribute in any way, or have to deal with defending your space, or really anything else. You might want to consider just finding a quiet wormhole and living there instead.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Andracin
Sickology
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:39:00 -
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Yngwiedis wrote:Who is the cow and what is the milk ?
The cow is a bull and that isn't milk your drinking....
The better question is why do you want to go to null? I jumped out there to an old clone and slowly made my way back to lowsec 18 jumps through systems only populated by drag bubbles. Null sec populations tend to be very centered around systems with stations. I can get more action almost instantly living in low sec without the annoyance of being dragged 100 km off gates or having to bounce planets to avoid it. Null bears also are generally skiddish about pvp unless they have the mongol horde at their back so even when you can get fights you have to work at getting them to isolate one or two that you can shoot.
If your just looking for minerals/ratting without the pvp, why not rent? Its not like your short of your choice of rental alliances at the moment. All of the pleasure and not (much) of the pain. Just the shame of being called a pet on the forums  |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
514
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:40:00 -
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You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:41:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Yngwiedis wrote:Big alliances don't accept small corps as their members. So they said it in a way... Maybe they think differently. Yeah, all those < 10 member corps in the rental alliances are there as show. Oh, you mean you want to live in null, but not have to pay to live there, or contribute in any way, or have to deal with defending your space, or really anything else. You might want to consider just finding a quiet wormhole and living there instead.
Where you see that i don't want to pay or contribute ? Read more carefully please :) |

Daimon Kaiera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:43:00 -
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When CCP finally fixes the billboard code to allow players to add their own pictures, you can gurantee you'll see a :frogout: over every gate in Deklein. It's an effective mean of keeping people away. .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--. |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:44:00 -
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Andracin wrote:Yngwiedis wrote:Who is the cow and what is the milk ? The cow is a bull and that isn't milk your drinking....  The better question is why do you want to go to null? I jumped out there to an old clone and slowly made my way back to lowsec 18 jumps through systems only populated by drag bubbles. Null sec populations tend to be very centered around systems with stations. I can get more action almost instantly living in low sec without the annoyance of being dragged 100 km off gates or having to bounce planets to avoid it. Null bears also are generally skiddish about pvp unless they have the mongol horde at their back so even when you can get fights you have to work at getting them to isolate one or two that you can shoot. If your just looking for minerals/ratting without the pvp, why not rent? Its not like your short of your choice of rental alliances at the moment. All of the pleasure and not (much) of the pain. Just the shame of being called a pet on the forums 
I want to go to null because i earn more ISK there. I was in null sec for some months when i was a members of another corp and i know how much you can earn there.
Renting is not prohibited to small corps ? I thought it was...
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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:45:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS.
Like i write above that... I thought renting is prohibited to small corps. No ?
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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:47:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:When CCP finally fixes the billboard code to allow players to add their own pictures, you can gurantee you'll see a :frogout: over every gate in Deklein. It's an effective mean of keeping people away.
You can troll me more. I don't care :P
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
680
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:50:00 -
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Yngwiedis wrote:Alavaria wrote:Why can't my frigate do L4s Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ? Learn the game first :P
Ive done a L4 in an incursus for the hell of it.
So you CAN do it. |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:51:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Yngwiedis wrote:Alavaria wrote:Why can't my frigate do L4s Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ? Learn the game first :P Ive done a L4 in an incursus for the hell of it. So you CAN do it.
OK you can do it. But is not suggested to do it anyway :)
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
190
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:53:00 -
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Yngwiedis wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Who is the cow and what is the milk ?
the milk is the anomalies/signatures that nullsec renters farm. the cow is renting systems from nullsec alliances or taking systems for yourself.
you can ninja their sites if have the patience to go AFK for ages. they get massively shrill at you in local when you do this.
personally i don't have the patience. freelance space bum |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:55:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:
personally i don't have the patience.
Me neither :) |

Andracin
Sickology
224
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:55:00 -
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Pretty much if you are willing to pay their rental fee, most renter alliances don't really give a care about how many of you there are in your corp. The benefit to having more people is sharing the cost so it impacts each player less. |

Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:57:00 -
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Quite interested about this concept you have about null and the fountains of isk. What would you do there that doesn't require going to hi-sec to make the profit? Let me preempt your answer.
If your corp are miners - the ore you mine must be sold - in hi-sec. How are you going to get it there?
If your corp members are into production - how are they going to sell their goods? In hi-sec of course - refer to first question.
If your corp is into pvp - how will they sustain a ship destruction and reimbursement scheme without having a isk making capability and subsequently purchase ship capability from... hi-sec.
So that leaves you one possibility. Null sec Pve. All the pleasure of lvl4 missions with twice the risk.
Have you really thought out this desire?
Now, this is a situation that CCP have made that is ONLY addressable by joining an alliance. So bite the bullet. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
515
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:57:00 -
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Yngwiedis wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS. Like i write above that... I thought renting is prohibited to small corps. No ?
Depends on the system you will rent. I saw some numbers somewhere where you could rent systems as low as 1 billion per month. I can't seem to find these numbers, but if you have enough people you can split the costs and its not that much.
I have a friend who only pays 150 million per month to belong to a 30 man corp in null renters.
I would just poke around and find someone with the right price. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
846
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:00:00 -
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You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.
I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:05:00 -
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Jumfat Kohlah wrote:Quite interested about this concept you have about null and the fountains of isk. What would you do there that doesn't require going to hi-sec to make the profit? Let me preempt your answer.
If your corp are miners - the ore you mine must be sold - in hi-sec. How are you going to get it there?
With jump freighter.
Jumfat Kohlah wrote: If your corp members are into production - how are they going to sell their goods? In hi-sec of course - refer to first question.
Again... with jump freighter.
Jumfat Kohlah wrote: If your corp is into pvp - how will they sustain a ship destruction and reimbursement scheme without having a isk making capability and subsequently purchase ship capability from... hi-sec.
Let me guess... Jump freighter ?
Jumfat Kohlah wrote: So that leaves you one possibility. Null sec Pve. All the pleasure of lvl4 missions with twice the risk.
Have you really thought out this desire?
Twice the risk heh ? Like i said before i was in null sec for several months and i was ratting with a Thanatos and 12 fighters. It was easy. Believe me. Risk is make the game exciting. If i don't want to be in a risk propbably i will not play it.
Jumfat Kohlah wrote: Now, this is a situation that CCP have made that is ONLY addressable by joining an alliance. So bite the bullet.
I want to be part of an alliance. But they don't accept my small corp. |
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