You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.

I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it?

Depends on the system you will rent. I saw some numbers somewhere where you could rent systems as low as 1 billion per month. I can't seem to find these numbers, but if you have enough people you can split the costs and its not that much.

I have a friend who only pays 150 million per month to belong to a 30 man corp in null renters.

I would just poke around and find someone with the right price.

I don't want to take sov with 10 people.
Why one corp need to be in just one system ? Why can't multiple corps keep one system ?
Why alliances don't accept small corps and put them together in one system ?

Well, you said you were a mining corp, right?

Oh I found the rental prices....

http://themittani.com/features/rental-empires-eve

This is what the Goons are renting space for so if you can afford the prices then well you can be in null sec with a small alliance.

Though I don't know how sure I would be renting from certain people...

Where you see that ?
Oh in my corp description...
Don't believe everything you read ;)

OK you can do it. But is not suggested to do it anyway :)

Fair enough. Well, you need to ask yourself what you bring to a nullsec alliance. If you are miners, then think about this.

A nullsec alliance that might need more industry? Probably will/is having trouble holding on to it's space, and needs combat pilots.

A nullsec alliance that does not need more industry? Then a miner corp is a liability on their killboards.

There are plenty of places where you won't be straight up turned away for being a ten man corp. You just gotta find em.

So, why does it have to be nullsec? Why not just take over a few lowsec systems and declare them yours?

You can take sov as well, just find some dead alliance and shoot some structures.

Thank you very very much :)

You need to have a believable ability to make isk in order to rent. ie I wouldn't suggest attempting to rent unless you have 2 or 3 months rent in liquid assets, and I wouldn't go rent without a plan on making the rent money+++ and then some.

So to answer your question as to why small corporations can't hold null sec space on their own is simple.

You need to have a believable ability to make isk in order to rent. ie I wouldn't suggest attempting to rent unless you have 2 or 3 months rent in liquid assets, and I wouldn't go rent without a plan on making the rent money+++ and then some.

If the system allows for, say, mining, you can very quickly get up to speed.

However, there are some start-up costs, so it's important to do your homework before signing on the dotted line, so to speak.

Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.

I did read your questions, and answered them. But you seem to be rudely blasting many people who are helping you - People who are being quite kind for the forums - so why did you ask the question if you didn't want the discussion?

My question was about why small corps can't access null sec.
Why alliances are not accepting small corps as their members.
I am not asking about why a small corp can't conquer and hold a null sec system.
Thats why i told you to read my question again.
Also why i am rudely blastin people ?

I also thank some of them. You think i am not polite ?

I agree with that.
But why a corp with.. lets say... 200 members, can take and hold a system and 10 corps with 200 members in total can't ?

I told you small corps can access null sec, you usually need to be in an alliance to stay and you need to be a diplomat with those alliances to get in. Alliances do accept small corporations. You need to find them though.


yes, I think you were rude to me, Alavaria, and Tauranon since you asked.

[Null sec populations tend to be very centered around systems with stations. I can get more action almost instantly living in low sec without the annoyance of being dragged 100 km off gates or having to bounce planets to avoid it. Null bears also are generally skiddish about pvp unless they have the mongol horde at their back so even when you can get fights you have to work at getting them to isolate one or two that you can shoot.

Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.

Most alliances with access to null sec systems don't accept small corps.
Maybe i have to try find them harder.

Sorry if i make you think i am rude.
English is not my native language and i am struggling to understand everything you people write.
I don't want to be rude anyway.

Also i really don't understand most of the posts of Alavaria :(

NPC Null Security space. Stations and all the benefits of Null Security space without the sov politics.

I would assign the job of diplomat to someone who does well with making friends. All that needs to happen is for you to get set to blue with a null sec alliance and work out the terms of having blue status with them. Making friends with other corps/alliances is always good. You don't necessarily need to actually join an alliance to be set to blue with them.

But then you need to do PvP all the time you are logged in because all the people want to kill you !

Or you're told to PVP. That's usually more the case.

Last run in nullsec I had, I went broke replacing ships 'cause I could never get time to make some isks to pay for them.

If you aren't being b*tched at to fleet up, you're being shot at by the FC when you undock.