I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.

They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.

What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy?

Good morning, Tippia. I see that you've brought your sense of humor today.

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

I've got an alt I don't use from years ago that was maxed for destroyers.... so I test ganked one of my other characters.

With align and tank, it's a fail against a Catalyst for either a Covetor or a Hulk. There is no defense in .6 or .5. Maybe with a faction fitting.... but the expense is ridiculous.

So survivability is a lie told by the usual suspects. Align, tank, and warp is a lie.

If there's not a change to the expense reward ratio for ganking- industry will be deeply curtailed in high sec.

They've always worked towards balance in the game. Except on this one issue- a 12 million ISK combat ship, can take out a 250 million harvesting ship- right under the nose of the police. You would think that the ORE corporation would design their ships with better survifvability.

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i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?

Must be the same place I can get my mega hulls with the power of a fleet of vindicators.

Mining melts your brain, ladies and gents.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.

Incorrect (as usual). 75% of CHARACTERS are in high sec, many of them enslaved isk-alts like mine. PvE is useful, it brings isk and items into the game.

In EvE, blowing up someones 100 million hulk, or 6 billion jump freighter incurs the equivalent of a parking fine, since the sec loss is so small and so easily fixed, and the cost is 98% less (it cost 5000% more isk to gank in 2009) then it was when these ships came out.

They have to balance ganking against subscription loss.

Ahhhh so thats whats shes going for.

Sure, if you slap on a DCII, and reinforced bulkheads, crippling your yield below that of cheaper ships, you will be killed by 2 of them.

Sure.

:D
Still, 4m for 2 Catas is doable.

You don't? I'm not quite sure what forum you are reading...

The discussion is a little moot. In EVE, there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths.

If you undock, you do so acknowledging that there is a strong culture where committing to a suicide attack (of any scale) against an otherwise 'unattractive' or 'unprofitable' target isn't just normal, it's encouraged.

Taken into the environment of EVE Online, highsec ganking (Nonconsentual combat in a declared 'safe zone) would correlate appropriately to an 'immoral act'.

People shooting people is a game. There are places for it. Lowsec, Nulsec.

Ganking is out of control deal with it.

Until somebody decides that what they do is damaging to the game... then they are gone and forgotten... one must be pretty delusional to think otherwise.

Oh, hey Tippia! Sure thing... but then they changed management... and the TOS.

who knows what comes next?

All I can say is: Keep on ganking! Harass your evil miners and brag about it... get them to leave the game for good... and I grantee you, you are next.

This statement is what's referred to as 'blaming the victim', and is not only fallacious, it's also a key aspect of sociopathic behavior.

People with mining lasers in highsec are not a threat, nor seeking conflict.

Ganking is done for the psychopathic purpose of eliciting emotional torment ('tears') in the victim, or the sociopathic purpose of exploiting highsec mechanics against a defenceless, otherwise beneficial victim for money.

...and again, we hit the brick wall that is the ignorance of the self styled "vocal masses".

Have fun!

Ah... so that's what you do.

You have the cause and effect backwards.

What miners often "self-impose" is solitude. The "victimhood" is thrust onto them from gankers.

And using the phrase "empowering" may be the single most condescending and/or patronizing choice of words, ever.

But they do have the right to express incredulity in the aftermath of an utterly pointless game activity.

Every bit of that is simply justification to bully a select group of players.

There is nothing in the ToS, EULA, or subscription status, that states every player must learn and utilize every single aspect of the game. Nothing.

Really?

I mean, why not do it? There's no secret miner code. It's not like the Brotherhood of Industrialists will take away blueprints. Hell, a huge, huge chunk of our intel comes from other miners diming people out.

"Hey man, saw you were operating in the area. Could you come over and gank Miner X. I want him out of this roid belt so I can get the good ore. Kthnx BFF 4lyfe."

Because then you, as an experienced industrialist, will be handed a dramatic advantage by hampering the "entry to market"......courtesy of CCP?

If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere.

You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself.

The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game.

This is EVE, I set my own rules.

Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.

Gankers are no more than school yard bullies.

Does repeating that over and over make you feel good, or better?

The rest of us have moved on.

I have a valid, giant argument.

"Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power." (Ask and you shall receive)

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Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses.

Best to move along and let the incompetent EVE players have there little group think.

Are you going to claim he had asteroids in his overview... and therefor could not discern the drones?

Don't forget about Elite Dangerous... 400 bil fully simulated star systems, realistic damage and physics models, walk in ships.

I'm guessing their main selling point may have just become, "Tippia ain't playing"?

Lol what selling points.

It will have one persistent universe, the economy will be player driven. The missions will be generated by player owned assets dynamically.

Not sure about sandbox

Shhhh hide this post dont let tipia know she was wrong again.

Tippia the game is in 3 parts, there is a single player game / lan mode and there will be a one shard persistent online universe - MMO style like EvE.

You heard wrong.

I won't link SC in EvE forums as I think that would be rude to do. However I'll post this:

Easy to find that post if you use google. SC has a persistent single server where all players connect and retrieve and store data. So I would call that a single sharded universe. There won't be multiple servers.

I'd like them to get back to their original vision and start paying attention to the other 75% of the playerbase who don't like playing Days of Our POS's online.

According to CCP 75% of players reside in high sec.

Link?

If we assume of those 35% 15% are in low and WH and of the 20% in null each has a alt for scouting hauling etc that makes 10% of players null sec. Two can play at the assuming game.

Tipia knows this to be true and factual because she has already written and therefore has to be correct GÇ£BONJOURGÇ¥

Not quite true at least as of 2012 fanfest. 75% of the characters are in highsec.

You are using their data to scew your point of view.

Good point but if only 19% are actually doing PVP then how can the rest know they like it?