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Belana Mawr
Sortet Mission Runners
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:24:00 -
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I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.
All the victim gets is a kill right and at best might take out another destroyer worth 3 mill. This is worthless and not a deterrent. Most gankers in 0.5 are flashy red and you don't need kill rights to fire on them. They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.
What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy? I am all for risk = isk but it seems to me there is little or no defence to these over powered destroyers
We have seen a lot of rebalancing in the last couple of patches. Is the answer to nuke the dps of destroyers and force gankers to use more expensive ships?
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Mizhir
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
34330
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:25:00 -
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You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).
We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Belana Mawr
Sortet Mission Runners
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:27:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).
Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff
and still have time to pop your pod, |
Dave Stark
3665
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:27:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps
link fit or i must be forced to call you a liar. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13821
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:28:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.
All the victim gets is a kill right and at best might take out another destroyer worth 3 mill. This is worthless and not a deterrent. Most gankers in 0.5 are flashy red and you don't need kill rights to fire on them. They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.
What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy? I am all for risk = isk but it seems to me there is little or no defence to these over powered destroyers
We have seen a lot of rebalancing in the last couple of patches. Is the answer to nuke the dps of destroyers and force gankers to use more expensive ships?
An 800 DPS destroyer is in the region of 12-15 million isk to purchase and fit, if you can supply and fit them for 3 million isk, I can point you in the direction of some very very interested customers.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
527
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:30:00 -
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Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.
It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.
ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Jim Roebuck
StarFleet Enterprises
Fatal Ascension
75
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:34:00 -
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800DPS Dessie, where can I get that fit?
"Black shadows hanging over his shoulders
Black mark up against your name
Your green eyes couldn't get any colder
There's red poison flowing through your veins..."
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SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:34:00 -
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why not afk mine and watch local. I mean avoid being ganked is easy.
Blue
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1416
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:34:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes.
S Byerley, is that you?
Wait, don't answer. You could get banned for claiming to be an alt.
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Belana Mawr
Sortet Mission Runners
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:34:00 -
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ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008
this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil
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Mizhir
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
34330
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:35:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:Mizhir wrote:You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge). Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff and still have time to pop your pod,
Then you are doing something wrong.
We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:39:00 -
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Perhaps you didn't bother to notice that the Retriever (not Hulk) was completely untanked? The fact that the pod was killed before CONCORD killed the ganker indicates that the pilot was AFK.
Get your facts straight before you start slinging **** at the wall to see what sticks.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13821
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:39:00 -
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That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost.
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Belana Mawr
Sortet Mission Runners
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:40:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.
It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.
ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.
Your wrong
8-10 could near on take out an orca with the response times in 0.5
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Belana Mawr
Sortet Mission Runners
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:41:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost.
Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit
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Jim Roebuck
StarFleet Enterprises
Fatal Ascension
75
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:41:00 -
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I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.
"Black shadows hanging over his shoulders
Black mark up against your name
Your green eyes couldn't get any colder
There's red poison flowing through your veins..."
AC/DC, Evil Walks |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13821
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:43:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost. Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit
Nope 3 highsec kills according to battleclinic (ugh) 2 Retrievers and a Mackinaw (10 pilots involved on this one)
Eve-Kill lists no hulk kills for him either.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
527
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:43:00 -
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Point being? ISK worth is not a tank.
your hulk= http://www.oilgasdrillingrigs.com/images/truck-mounted-drilling-rig.jpg
A destroyer= http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110401155355/battlefield/images/e/e0/LAV-25.JPG
Yes, in a fight between a combat vessel and a civilian mineral extraction ship, the combat vessel wins.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:44:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:
Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit
Are you even reading the links that you're posting? Do you know how to read them?
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Daimon Kaiera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
417
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:45:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.
My skills are okay.
2 million catalyst - Around 340 dps
11 million catalyst - around 580-600 dps
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:46:00 -
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Jim Roebuck wrote:I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.
You can push 700 on a max skills gank fit with cheap implants, Void, and preheating your guns.
Edit: Still wrong about 800 though. That'd be a pricey damned fit if it's even doable.
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Dave Stark
3666
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:47:00 -
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Liar |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13823
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:48:00 -
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Jim Roebuck wrote:I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.
Was that overheated? I can get 685 by cooking all the things and all skills 5 with EveHQ
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Dave Stark
3666
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:48:00 -
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the OP made 2 claims.
800 dps from a catalyst.
it costs 2m.
both have been proven false.
therefore i do believe this thread should be locked for rumour mongering |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13823
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:50:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.
It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.
ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability. Your wrong 8-10 could near on take out an orca with the response times in 0.5
Bear in mind that some of the people you're saying are wrong, gank barges and Orcas all day long and generally know what they're talking about. You've just painted a very large target on yourself, I hope you posted with an alt 
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Jim Roebuck
StarFleet Enterprises
Fatal Ascension
75
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:51:00 -
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Well damn me, I forgot all about implants and overheating.
"Black shadows hanging over his shoulders
Black mark up against your name
Your green eyes couldn't get any colder
There's red poison flowing through your veins..."
AC/DC, Evil Walks |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:51:00 -
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Is that you Aldus? If not post in his thread he doesn't have many supporters over there, he could use your help. |
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Belana Mawr wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.
It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.
ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability. Your wrong 8-10 could near on take out an orca with the response times in 0.5 Bear in mind that some of the people you're saying are wrong, gank barges and Orcas all day long and generally know what they're talking about. You've just painted a very large target on yourself, I hope you posted with an alt
Highsec is dangerous, nerf gankers
Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
My main is out of sub ... NO, STOP BEING POOR I can't talk about my main due to TOS "clarifications" |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13823
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:55:00 -
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Alavaria wrote:
Highsec is dangerous, nerf gankers
Post with your main 
*Been wanting to do that for a couple of days 
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
44437
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:55:00 -
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CCP buffs the tank for all barges and exhumers nerfing forever the idea of a Hulkageddon...........and "they" still complain. |
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