I love it when people make up stories... please continue.

I'm not angry at all. Amused yes.

Not angry.

After all... you were busted. That is very funny.

I don't feel busted. I feel like a guy who saw a bunch of shield maint bots and who lost a gank on a hulk. The point of the story is miners can protect themselves. They don't. But that isn't my fault or CCPs fault. Its theirs. Ganking doesn't make me a bully any more than it makes the miners weak. If they're weak, they choose to be so.

Oh, you're mining in high sec too? How lame.

You have no balls.

So... you cannot tell the difference between 4 and 8 or 5 and 10.

Cool... very competent. Bullshit.

You seem kind of angry. Would you like to talk it out? Lady Areola Fappington has a teddybear we could use to roleplay some scenes.. work on your issues.

Sounds to me like you're a leet PvPer who can count how many of the 10 drones orbiting the target are actually repairing it, in a limited time frame with a dozen ships on grid, with effects and drone brackets off to minimize lag getting the pod out.

I especially like the part where you assume there was no second hulk/other ship on grid to launch the second flight of shield drones in order to facilitate your ad hominem attack.

You're weak... you didn't pull out a battleship of equal value for the gank.

You have no balls.

Yea... I have no ground to stand on... except the mountain that is the simple fact that we miners a) don't force anyone to do anything,

and b) don't excel in making other players miserable, but hey...

...we again hit the brick wall that is the ignorance of the self styled "vocal masses".

Have fun!

You force me to move to a different belt for my own mining
You force me to move to a different system increasing my logistic needs
You force me to sell my own minerals at lower value
You help flood the local market with products undercutting me

Are you going to claim he had asteroids in his overview... and therefor could not discern the drones?

Are you going to claim he had asteroids in his overview... and therefor could not discern the drones? Even if he had drones pulled out of his overview... He'd still be able to see them flying. And yes you can discern them unless you're zoomed way in or way out (he would have done neither).

It's a BS story.

I'm criticizing his story... He might have launched Pink Elephant's out of his Hello Kitty Launcher II. But someone would have noticed that too.

He'd still be able to see them flying.

It's much easier to assuage your guilt if you're able to obfuscate your action through a few layers. What about the poor newbie who couldn't afford a plex, because your multibox orca/hulk rigs decimate 'roid belts before they can get there.....

Even if he had drones pulled out of his overview... He'd still be able to see them flying. And yes you can discern them unless you're zoomed way in or way out (he would have done neither).

Underlined the part of the post that suggests the answer you seek. ie "Imbercils"

Slightly more seriously, some people hold the "cup half empty" worldview and think that if it exists, it must be crappy and can be made better. People like that don't understand that something exist the way they do for a reason and that you screw with it's balance at your own peril.

Those same people tend to be really short sighted, in that they don't understand that the thing they think they hate ("emergent gameplay" and thus uncertainty, non-consensual pvp everywhere including high sec, EVE's death penalties and so on) are at the same time the things that keep people -including them- paying for and playing the game.

If they just wanted to be left alone, why not play on sisi? If they don't like universe wide non-consensual pvp, why not play games like Star Trek Online or dozens of other that prevent ANY such thing in the 1st place?

It's because they like the danger, they just don't understand they like it. They'd hate an eve without the danger, yet they keep ignorantly calling for it because they can't be honest enough inside themselves to admit it.

if you gave me a single player RPG with Eve's graphics and ships I would be playing that instead

Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses.

I never understand why people don't bother to tank their mining barge

in right config on procurer (all T2). I can get over 100k EHP against Kinetic, Thermic, and Explosive.

The tanked procurer is for the person that can not stand ganks at all.
And they probably will still get ganked just because of the tears it provides.

well not necessarily. I play because the game and universe is beautiful, if you gave me a single player RPG with Eve's graphics and ships I would be playing that instead, sadly no such game exists, at least not one I enjoy.

I never understand why people don't bother to tank their mining barge

in right config on procurer (all T2). I can get over 100k EHP against Kinetic, Thermic, and Explosive.

X3.

X Rebirth next month/late November. I've also heard something about a game called "Star Citizen".

Never been in a gang so not sure about this but couldn't the hulk assign his rep drones to the orca and if not might it have been possible he was going to use them on the Orca thinking a larger force may warp in to gank it?

As for being bullies I'm not so sure. I like to gank people too but I do it within the intended mechanics (high sec war decs,, using battleships, using my main not a throwaway account or suicide alt) and recently in null afk'ing in ratting mining hubs.

I think what the majority of gankers want is easy risk minimised ganks which is identical to what the miners want, maximum yield mining with minimum risk. Same easy mode just different goals.

If you want profitable yields, you could go to lowsec.. pfft. yeah right. Lowsec is a wasteland now that the pvp'ers have run everyone out of there. It's more-or-less guaranteed death. Miners would be hunted like an rabbit in a wolf pen.

POS infrastructure would be picked apart for blueprints.