No, they don't. To even make that statement means you have to make the assumption that ganking is not just a cause of people quitting, but in fact the primary cause.

Since the latter of those is completely false, and the former is arguable, development resources are better spent on game improvements and add ons, not on retooling existing features.

Rather than reduce a potential negative, they would be better served by making definite positives.

Any game that has a blue (non-pvp) server and a red (pvp) server I have ever played or can think of has always had a tiny red population in comparison to the blue servers so yes, ganking is a primary reason that people will not play an mmo and getting ganked and losing their stuff is a primary reason for people deciding to leave IMO.

Not only is this speculation based off of anecdotal evidence at best, but it's also utterly untrue.

Of the top 15 highest population realms in WoW, only 4 are PvE realms. Source is wowprogress.com. So, by that metric, we should in fact be ignoring any whining from the people complaining about non consensual PvP, since clearly non consensual PvP is more popular.

Kinda puts you in your place.

This clearly means we need an EVE blue server

If rumours are to be believed the blue server is in nullsec

Any game that has a blue (non-pvp) server and a red (pvp) server I have ever played or can think of has always had a tiny red population in comparison to the blue servers so yes, ganking is a primary reason that people will not play an mmo and getting ganked and losing their stuff is a primary reason for people deciding to leave IMO.

but blue doughnut.... where nobody shoots at each other, ever.

Any game that has a blue (non-pvp) server and a red (pvp) server I have ever played or can think of has always had a tiny red population in comparison to the blue servers so yes, ganking is a primary reason that people will not play an mmo and getting ganked and losing their stuff is a primary reason for people deciding to leave IMO.

Lol, even when I was a noob I didn't believe that, I often find it hard to believe that anyone is that foolish. But when I starting thinking like that, I just take a stroll through Features and Ideas and that thought is purged.

Yeah, it's really super fast if you're AFK.

Me, I've found it really obvious when a gank team rolls in. The spawning and pulling concord, flashy reds in local, blatantly obvious scout alts scanning people for fits... I've seen it take between 3-5 minutes to line up one gank. Ain't nobody got time to align and run in 3 minutes!


If a gank team is on grid with you, the fight is already done. You defeat a gank before that moment.

I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.

Dear Lady I hope you are not suggesting an effort on the miners part.

In real life, I can derail a multi million dollar train with a $35 dollar crowbar.

In real life, I can blow up a semi trailer, or even an armored car worth about $2,000,000 with about $5,000 worth of fertilizer.

In real life, I can make napalm by mixing gasoline and packing peanuts (no ****, Styrofoam and gas makes napalm).

In real life, criminals don't have a 100% chance of being caught.

But most importantly, in real life I am not functionally a god.

So please, tell me some more about how using something cost effective to defeat a larger ship isn't realistic, in a game where we can reincarnate after being incinerated in a fiery death millions of kilometers away.

Yea, those evil evil miners... poke 'em with a stick!

...so funny.

This is true, because mmo players are too chicken **** to deal with loss. Most gamers use games to escape their hum-drum existance. They want to be the superhero in-game that they can't be IRL. That's why most games are themparks, most EVE characters are in high sec (the least sandboxy area of EVE) and why mission running (one of the most popular activities in EVE despite all the other gameplay EVE offers) is the way it is (one ship, alone against a vast fleet of NPCs in a virtual Bruce Lee fight that a low IQ monkey with a concussion couldn't lose at even if he tried).

We KNOW most games are like that. People like me are saying that their shyould be ONE game (and game company) brave enough to say NO to that lowest common denominator BS. A game company willing to say "this here is not a theme park, this is the badlands, love it or leave it".

Alas, because most people are indeed chicken ***** and those people have money, most games will be nothing more than shallow exercises in fake hero-hood and games like EVE will be drawn more and more towards that lowest common denominator. It makes me sad to think about it.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.

The 5 trillion in damages was provided by Baltec not me.

Please don't they will start calling for sticks to be nerfed.

I didn't say pointy sticks...

They don't care.

However, EVE serves a niche crowd and it always has. People know this and they can gauge pretty quickly if the game is for them or not.

I don't think that's it at all. Most people play games for fun. And they find fun in doing various things. Industry for example can be fun, but requires a level of semi-afk mining in some cases. As in most games, having your progress smashed because of another player is considerably less fun, so that's why people leave. Personally I just avoid gankers (unless I'm ganking) but I do sometime question if EVE really provides me as much fun as I've had in other games in comparison with the level of input. Next gen consoles are likely to have me reduce my number of accounts.

Oh, and you only love your "badlands" while there are unwilling participants.

The reason that PvP servers are so unpopular when there is a non-pvp option is because the PvP server is stripped of it's easy kills. In the end, without carebears, you'd be quite sad that everyone you engage fights back. Remember, you're not Snake Pliskin, you're a basement geek with a keyboard.

... assuming OP removed all text from her post because it was 100% bullonium.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.

You need to use T2 guns, have max skills and use implants to get like 740 ish if i remember rightly. That about the best.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.