Must be the same place I can get my mega hulls with the power of a fleet of vindicators.

apparently for 3m isk you can get an 800 dps ship.

i didn't know about this, did you?

Exactly, and those are actually meaningful suggestions that one should better heed, coming from somebody that generally knows better... so it cannot come as a surprise that people don't listen to suggestions regarding "just" a game that they play in their spare time, coming from other people that they perceive as "equals", no?

Mining melts your brain, ladies and gents.

See, that's the thing. We're not equals. Some of us are players, and some of us might as well be bots.

I was wombling around (as I do) in 0.5 space in my Mackinaw, slurping up some Kernite. One destroyer turned up, trying to duel with me. Yeah, right. Saw where this was going. Obviously I declined (over and over) and after a few moments of silence (in which I presume a passive target ship scan to see what I was equipped with) had passed, two more destroyers jumped in. Those two instantly locked, scrammed, and attacked, while I presume the third was waiting to loot.

They didn't even get through my shields before getting concordokkened. I had a few shield hardeners on.

I took a look at the corp they are in, it's all they do all day so I would expect proper gank fits. I still have kill rights on those two people, and am considering trying to pop them one day.

Edit: What I was trying to say, is if you are paying attention and actually tank your boat, it's going to cost them. If it was more than two gankers, I'd switch out to a Skiff.

See, that's the thing. We're not equals. Some of us are players, and some of us might as well be bots.

The advice is the same regardless of who it comes from, over and over again, and you'd think that might tell them something. But no. I guess the "human condition" you are describing is abject stupidity. Or insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Mining melts your brain, ladies and gents.

I motion that my catalyst be buffed to be as scary and cheap as carebears think it is.

No, they really aren't.

Have you tried hunting down and killing them?

A better question is GÇ£why?GÇ¥ Why should it cost more?

Ok I'll play the stupid game with you.

If robbing a bank incurred the same penalty as illegally parking your car

In real life, I can derail a multi million dollar train with a $35 dollar crowbar.

In real life, I can blow up a semi trailer, or even an armored car worth about $2,000,000 with about $5,000 worth of fertilizer.

In real life, I can make napalm by mixing gasoline and packing peanuts (no ****, Styrofoam and gas makes napalm).

In real life, criminals don't have a 100% chance of being caught.

But most importantly, in real life I am not functionally a god.

So please, tell me some more about how using something cost effective to defeat a larger ship isn't realistic, in a game where we can reincarnate after being incinerated in a fiery death millions of kilometers away.

Tippia challenges Infinity Ziona with: Why? Why should it cost more?

Ziona answers with: Because real life.

That makes zero sense in the context I was using the example.

In EvE, blowing up someones 100 million hulk, or 6 billion jump freighter incurs the equivalent of a parking fine, since the sec loss is so small and so easily fixed, and the cost is 98% less (it cost 5000% more isk to gank in 2009) then it was when these ships came out.

Developers develop games to make money. Developers don't want new subscriptions spawning, undocking to be gank non-stop by idiots. They therefore put in checks and balances.

If CCP doesn't control ganking it loses subscriptions.

Goons and Bat Country have killed 5 trillion isk in suciding players over the last two years. Lets assume they were all 1 billion isk freighters. If only 1 of 10 quit that's 100 subs lost, its likely many many more subs lost from that 5 trillion. That's 18,000 dollars lost per year. That's only 1 group of players.

Given they mostly killing hulks, macks and so it, its more like 200 milliion per ship, making it 500 subs, and 90,000.00 dollars lost. And that's assuming only 1 in 10 quit the game.

Those checks and balances consist of "Don't hunt in noob systems". That's about it. Everything else is there for each other.



First of all, glad to see you whipped out the tired old "But teh noobz will quit!" argument. It hasn't ever been true before, and it's still not true now. Secondly, proof or it's a lie. I defy you to show me a stat whereby people listed "I was ganked" as a reason for quitting. I'll tell you straight up that one does not exist. Therefore, you made that up.



Aside from their killboards, you just made the rest of that up. How's about, since you have the data of who they killed in front of you, you look and see how many of their victims are still playing, hmm? Not just bullshit me with made up stats?

even if that bullshit was true, anyone who pulls the "but ccp will make more money if they do x therefore they should do it" is spectacularly misunderstanding the relationship between a consumer and a service provider

These numbers pulled from my behind are conservative though, gais

How to: http://themittani.com/features/2013-exhumer-ganking-guide-part-one

Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.

It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.

ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.

ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

I'm not saying that's what they SHOULD do I'm saying that's what every developer HAS TO DO. They have to balance ganking against subscription loss.