You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).

They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps

I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.

All the victim gets is a kill right and at best might take out another destroyer worth 3 mill. This is worthless and not a deterrent. Most gankers in 0.5 are flashy red and you don't need kill rights to fire on them. They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.

What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy? I am all for risk = isk but it seems to me there is little or no defence to these over powered destroyers

We have seen a lot of rebalancing in the last couple of patches. Is the answer to nuke the dps of destroyers and force gankers to use more expensive ships?

I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes.

Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff

and still have time to pop your pod,

ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.

It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.

ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.

That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost.

Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit

ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit

I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.

I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.

ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.

Your wrong

8-10 could near on take out an orca with the response times in 0.5

Bear in mind that some of the people you're saying are wrong, gank barges and Orcas all day long and generally know what they're talking about. You've just painted a very large target on yourself, I hope you posted with an alt

Highsec is dangerous, nerf gankers

I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.

They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.

What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy?

CCP buffs the tank for all barges and exhumers nerfing forever the idea of a Hulkageddon...........and "they" still complain.

CCP buffs the tank for all barges and exhumers nerfing forever the idea of a Hulkageddon...........and "they" still complain.

Have you tried hunting down and killing them?

Well yea, they buffed the tank so that they don't have to tank their Hulk/Mackinaw, and instead concentrate on max yield. Sheesh, get with the times man.

Look for mining barges and exhumers to be revamped to be almost exactly like freighters in the near future.

Some yes. Others no. Generalizing about 'everyone' is always a bad idea.

I think I'll tell my ganker friends about this thread. They might find an interesting target.

Good morning, Tippia. I see that you've brought your sense of humor today.

I think I'll tell my ganker friends about this thread. They might find an interesting target.

Unfortunately, CCP hasn't built the tank directly into the hull yet. Look for mining barges and exhumers to be revamped to be almost exactly like freighters in the near future. Mining vessels will have max mining output rolled into the hull, as well as the resists, and resultant EHP of a DCU, invuln, and shield extenders/rigs, leaving only high slots for the chosen mining modules.

Or course, they will still scream like babbies fresh off the teat when their crap continues to be ganked.

you don't understand scarcasm do you?

You know just as well as I do, no matter what CCP does to buff miners, they'll still pick the one with the largest ore bay, aim it at a rock, then go AFK. Then get ganked. Then complain about it.

The smart one's who stay ATK and use the tools provided will continue to make ISK.


Hey, Feature Idea. Take the retty/makinaw, trade highslot numbers with the proc/skiff, then swap the role bonus with the covetor/hulk. I mean, they're AFK anyway, who cares how long it takes to fill the hold.

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

Rumour has it that the new scanning system is severely dumbed-down and automated these days. Surely even a miner can make use of it?

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

If you're not AFK, then you must notice that scanning ship or Venture with its nose crammed square up the ass of your mining ship at 0m, providing the warp-in for his gank buddies. That's your first indicator that it's time to GTFO.

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

in my experience there is no way of seeing a covert ship? that's what provided the warp in

Yeah, and by the time his buddy landed, you were already a ways away, because you were mining aligned, orbiting, or at least burning around instead of sitting still, right? You had your drones out and orbiting to keep a covops from getting too close to you, right?

And a solo ganker with no scout is not going to catch you before you can warp out if you're paying attention. Don't mine on the warpin to the belt, or anywhere near it. Mine aligned as much as possible, or orbit your asteroid. Fit a damned tank and quit going for max yield all the time.

Really, what you should do is stop all this pedantic crap, and ask Baltec or Fappington or another regular ganker if you can tag along on a real gank of some sort, so that you can see what it's like on the other side of things. You can see who gets left alone and why, who gets away and why, and maybe have some clue as you why you or your friends were singled out to die. Because us telling you people over and over how to avoid it doesn't seem to work. Maybe learning by doing would help.

True fact, The New Order often allows miners to do a "ride along" on a few ganks, just to see exactly how it's done.

You want the utter best defense against ganking? Come gank for a few weeks. Set you up an 8 hour hero, and ask to go on fleets. What's the worst that can happen, you have fun and refuse to go back to mining?

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

I've got an alt I don't use from years ago that was maxed for destroyers.... so I test ganked one of my other characters.

With align and tank, it's a fail against a Catalyst for either a Covetor or a Hulk. There is no defense in .6 or .5. Maybe with a faction fitting.... but the expense is ridiculous.

So survivability is a lie told by the usual suspects. Align, tank, and warp is a lie.

If there's not a change to the expense reward ratio for ganking- industry will be deeply curtailed in high sec.

They've always worked towards balance in the game. Except on this one issue- a 12 million ISK combat ship, can take out a 250 million harvesting ship- right under the nose of the police. You would think that the ORE corporation would design their ships with better survifvability.

800DPS Dessie, where can I get that fit?

[Catalyst, Gank Heavy]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Zainou 'Deadeye' Small Hybrid Turret SH-606
Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink

802 DPS hot void. Of course, you will never see a pod like that so...RF-903 and SH-603 give you 747DPS. Also, you will likely never encounter the 9.5mil T2 aerator in a ganking setup, so you get about 728DPS @max skills

Does it matter?

None of the mining barges need any more of a buff. EVE is not a place where you can happily do what you want anywhere. You are always in danger you are always potentially dead. Thats the point of EVE.

Now please please get over this hissy fit of dying and stop worrying!

yu kneed to reed mor thuroly yu mis poeint loock lice funy klown

Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff

and still have time to pop your pod,

Yep, as said the standard for a heavy cata is this:

[Catalyst, Gank Heavy]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

708DPS with RF-903 and SH-603, ~12mil procurement cost. Its also counter-intuitive to get the small blaster to V, so you end up at 695.

Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

Just one? You need to stay logged in longer. I've seen one die every 20 minutes since DT. True story, bro.

i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?

i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?

If you don't get that, than I seriously have to question your understanding of the human condition... just saying

With align and tank, it's a fail against a Catalyst for either a Covetor or a Hulk. There is no defense in .6 or .5. Maybe with a faction fitting.... but the expense is ridiculous.

None?

Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.

Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.

Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.

Well....

According to quantum physics.... oh forget it.

That's not what I meant, sorry... English is not my first language and from time to time my manner of speaking is a tad... convoluted?

What I'm trying to say: Most people don't like to be told what to do, especially when they don't think the people telling them stuff are in no position to do so...

I get the same in Real Life. Some people just absolutely hate it when a nurse says "Hey, you need to give up the smoking, drinking, and fatty food, you're killing yourself".

What's all this then?

apparently for 3m isk you can get an 800 dps ship.

i didn't know about this, did you?

Must be the same place I can get my mega hulls with the power of a fleet of vindicators.

apparently for 3m isk you can get an 800 dps ship.

i didn't know about this, did you?

Exactly, and those are actually meaningful suggestions that one should better heed, coming from somebody that generally knows better... so it cannot come as a surprise that people don't listen to suggestions regarding "just" a game that they play in their spare time, coming from other people that they perceive as "equals", no?

Mining melts your brain, ladies and gents.

See, that's the thing. We're not equals. Some of us are players, and some of us might as well be bots.

I was wombling around (as I do) in 0.5 space in my Mackinaw, slurping up some Kernite. One destroyer turned up, trying to duel with me. Yeah, right. Saw where this was going. Obviously I declined (over and over) and after a few moments of silence (in which I presume a passive target ship scan to see what I was equipped with) had passed, two more destroyers jumped in. Those two instantly locked, scrammed, and attacked, while I presume the third was waiting to loot.

They didn't even get through my shields before getting concordokkened. I had a few shield hardeners on.

I took a look at the corp they are in, it's all they do all day so I would expect proper gank fits. I still have kill rights on those two people, and am considering trying to pop them one day.

Edit: What I was trying to say, is if you are paying attention and actually tank your boat, it's going to cost them. If it was more than two gankers, I'd switch out to a Skiff.

See, that's the thing. We're not equals. Some of us are players, and some of us might as well be bots.

The advice is the same regardless of who it comes from, over and over again, and you'd think that might tell them something. But no. I guess the "human condition" you are describing is abject stupidity. Or insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Mining melts your brain, ladies and gents.

I motion that my catalyst be buffed to be as scary and cheap as carebears think it is.

No, they really aren't.

Have you tried hunting down and killing them?

A better question is GÇ£why?GÇ¥ Why should it cost more?

Ok I'll play the stupid game with you.

If robbing a bank incurred the same penalty as illegally parking your car

In real life, I can derail a multi million dollar train with a $35 dollar crowbar.

In real life, I can blow up a semi trailer, or even an armored car worth about $2,000,000 with about $5,000 worth of fertilizer.

In real life, I can make napalm by mixing gasoline and packing peanuts (no ****, Styrofoam and gas makes napalm).

In real life, criminals don't have a 100% chance of being caught.

But most importantly, in real life I am not functionally a god.

So please, tell me some more about how using something cost effective to defeat a larger ship isn't realistic, in a game where we can reincarnate after being incinerated in a fiery death millions of kilometers away.

Tippia challenges Infinity Ziona with: Why? Why should it cost more?

Ziona answers with: Because real life.

That makes zero sense in the context I was using the example.

In EvE, blowing up someones 100 million hulk, or 6 billion jump freighter incurs the equivalent of a parking fine, since the sec loss is so small and so easily fixed, and the cost is 98% less (it cost 5000% more isk to gank in 2009) then it was when these ships came out.

Developers develop games to make money. Developers don't want new subscriptions spawning, undocking to be gank non-stop by idiots. They therefore put in checks and balances.

If CCP doesn't control ganking it loses subscriptions.

Goons and Bat Country have killed 5 trillion isk in suciding players over the last two years. Lets assume they were all 1 billion isk freighters. If only 1 of 10 quit that's 100 subs lost, its likely many many more subs lost from that 5 trillion. That's 18,000 dollars lost per year. That's only 1 group of players.

Given they mostly killing hulks, macks and so it, its more like 200 milliion per ship, making it 500 subs, and 90,000.00 dollars lost. And that's assuming only 1 in 10 quit the game.

Those checks and balances consist of "Don't hunt in noob systems". That's about it. Everything else is there for each other.



First of all, glad to see you whipped out the tired old "But teh noobz will quit!" argument. It hasn't ever been true before, and it's still not true now. Secondly, proof or it's a lie. I defy you to show me a stat whereby people listed "I was ganked" as a reason for quitting. I'll tell you straight up that one does not exist. Therefore, you made that up.



Aside from their killboards, you just made the rest of that up. How's about, since you have the data of who they killed in front of you, you look and see how many of their victims are still playing, hmm? Not just bullshit me with made up stats?

even if that bullshit was true, anyone who pulls the "but ccp will make more money if they do x therefore they should do it" is spectacularly misunderstanding the relationship between a consumer and a service provider

These numbers pulled from my behind are conservative though, gais

How to: http://themittani.com/features/2013-exhumer-ganking-guide-part-one

Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.

It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.

ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.

ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

I'm not saying that's what they SHOULD do I'm saying that's what every developer HAS TO DO. They have to balance ganking against subscription loss.

No, they don't. To even make that statement means you have to make the assumption that ganking is not just a cause of people quitting, but in fact the primary cause.

Since the latter of those is completely false, and the former is arguable, development resources are better spent on game improvements and add ons, not on retooling existing features.

Rather than reduce a potential negative, they would be better served by making definite positives.

Any game that has a blue (non-pvp) server and a red (pvp) server I have ever played or can think of has always had a tiny red population in comparison to the blue servers so yes, ganking is a primary reason that people will not play an mmo and getting ganked and losing their stuff is a primary reason for people deciding to leave IMO.

Not only is this speculation based off of anecdotal evidence at best, but it's also utterly untrue.

Of the top 15 highest population realms in WoW, only 4 are PvE realms. Source is wowprogress.com. So, by that metric, we should in fact be ignoring any whining from the people complaining about non consensual PvP, since clearly non consensual PvP is more popular.

Kinda puts you in your place.

This clearly means we need an EVE blue server

If rumours are to be believed the blue server is in nullsec

Any game that has a blue (non-pvp) server and a red (pvp) server I have ever played or can think of has always had a tiny red population in comparison to the blue servers so yes, ganking is a primary reason that people will not play an mmo and getting ganked and losing their stuff is a primary reason for people deciding to leave IMO.

but blue doughnut.... where nobody shoots at each other, ever.

Any game that has a blue (non-pvp) server and a red (pvp) server I have ever played or can think of has always had a tiny red population in comparison to the blue servers so yes, ganking is a primary reason that people will not play an mmo and getting ganked and losing their stuff is a primary reason for people deciding to leave IMO.

Lol, even when I was a noob I didn't believe that, I often find it hard to believe that anyone is that foolish. But when I starting thinking like that, I just take a stroll through Features and Ideas and that thought is purged.

Yeah, it's really super fast if you're AFK.

Me, I've found it really obvious when a gank team rolls in. The spawning and pulling concord, flashy reds in local, blatantly obvious scout alts scanning people for fits... I've seen it take between 3-5 minutes to line up one gank. Ain't nobody got time to align and run in 3 minutes!


If a gank team is on grid with you, the fight is already done. You defeat a gank before that moment.

I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.

Dear Lady I hope you are not suggesting an effort on the miners part.

In real life, I can derail a multi million dollar train with a $35 dollar crowbar.

In real life, I can blow up a semi trailer, or even an armored car worth about $2,000,000 with about $5,000 worth of fertilizer.

In real life, I can make napalm by mixing gasoline and packing peanuts (no ****, Styrofoam and gas makes napalm).

In real life, criminals don't have a 100% chance of being caught.

But most importantly, in real life I am not functionally a god.

So please, tell me some more about how using something cost effective to defeat a larger ship isn't realistic, in a game where we can reincarnate after being incinerated in a fiery death millions of kilometers away.

Yea, those evil evil miners... poke 'em with a stick!

...so funny.

This is true, because mmo players are too chicken **** to deal with loss. Most gamers use games to escape their hum-drum existance. They want to be the superhero in-game that they can't be IRL. That's why most games are themparks, most EVE characters are in high sec (the least sandboxy area of EVE) and why mission running (one of the most popular activities in EVE despite all the other gameplay EVE offers) is the way it is (one ship, alone against a vast fleet of NPCs in a virtual Bruce Lee fight that a low IQ monkey with a concussion couldn't lose at even if he tried).

We KNOW most games are like that. People like me are saying that their shyould be ONE game (and game company) brave enough to say NO to that lowest common denominator BS. A game company willing to say "this here is not a theme park, this is the badlands, love it or leave it".

Alas, because most people are indeed chicken ***** and those people have money, most games will be nothing more than shallow exercises in fake hero-hood and games like EVE will be drawn more and more towards that lowest common denominator. It makes me sad to think about it.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.

The 5 trillion in damages was provided by Baltec not me.

Please don't they will start calling for sticks to be nerfed.

I didn't say pointy sticks...

They don't care.

However, EVE serves a niche crowd and it always has. People know this and they can gauge pretty quickly if the game is for them or not.

I don't think that's it at all. Most people play games for fun. And they find fun in doing various things. Industry for example can be fun, but requires a level of semi-afk mining in some cases. As in most games, having your progress smashed because of another player is considerably less fun, so that's why people leave. Personally I just avoid gankers (unless I'm ganking) but I do sometime question if EVE really provides me as much fun as I've had in other games in comparison with the level of input. Next gen consoles are likely to have me reduce my number of accounts.

Oh, and you only love your "badlands" while there are unwilling participants.

The reason that PvP servers are so unpopular when there is a non-pvp option is because the PvP server is stripped of it's easy kills. In the end, without carebears, you'd be quite sad that everyone you engage fights back. Remember, you're not Snake Pliskin, you're a basement geek with a keyboard.

... assuming OP removed all text from her post because it was 100% bullonium.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.

You need to use T2 guns, have max skills and use implants to get like 740 ish if i remember rightly. That about the best.

Side note though, in a 0.5 a T1 Cata can take out a hulk with relative ease, and that will set you back ~2m.

Or the community here is nasty and made them feel uncomfortable.

I love the pro-pvp posing. I doubt there is anyone who pvp's "full time" who doesn't do some form of carebear activity. If they don't that's because they get ships replaced, payed for by members who do pve activities.

Most of that activity occurs either in safe null or high sec. The majority of that in highsec.

You can argue all you like about what I'm going to say next but that activity has to be done in relative safety or its not going to be done at all. No safety, no subscriptions to run the servers, no pvp.

75% of players are in high sec. Don't tell me that they're 3 of the each null seccers alts because that's bs. PvE primarily is what keeps this game afloat.

...see, I actually have a life.

Or the community here is nasty and made them feel uncomfortable.

War declared on OP because I can...

Incorrect (as usual). 75% of CHARACTERS are in high sec, many of them enslaved isk-alts like mine. PvE is useful, it brings isk and items into the game.

GǪit's only 65% (trending downwards) actually, last we saw any numbers on it.

GǪit's only 65% (trending downwards) actually, last we saw any numbers on it.
So the number of highsec players could easily be some 30% or so (which, incidentally, matches neatly with 73% of players liking nullsec gameplay).

Let's take a hypothetical game, we'll call it "EBE Online". This game has consistently for ten years running been generally unremarkable in every classic metric for measuring mainstream videogames. However, EBE Online has one defining characteristic that distinguishes it from all other mainstream games, we'll call this hypothetical characteristic " emerbent gameplay". Despite being consistently mediocre or worse in all the usual characteristics of videogames, EBE Online manages to consistently survive and generally grow year after year for a decade while almost every other mainstream game dies in flames around it.

Who in their right mind would look at this situation and suggest that dumbing down emerbent gameplay is the key to unlocking greater success for EBE Online?

Let's take a hypothetical game, we'll call it "EBE Online". This game has consistently for ten years running been generally unremarkable in every classic metric for measuring mainstream videogames. However, EBE Online has one defining characteristic that distinguishes it from all other mainstream games, we'll call this hypothetical characteristic " emerbent gameplay". Despite being consistently mediocre or worse in all the usual characteristics of videogames, EBE Online manages to consistently survive and generally grow year after year for a decade while almost every other mainstream game dies in flames around it.

Who in their right mind would look at this situation and suggest that dumbing down emerbent gameplay is the key to unlocking greater success for EBE Online?

Good morning, Tippia. I see that you've brought your sense of humor today.

In EvE, blowing up someones 100 million hulk, or 6 billion jump freighter incurs the equivalent of a parking fine, since the sec loss is so small and so easily fixed, and the cost is 98% less (it cost 5000% more isk to gank in 2009) then it was when these ships came out.

They have to balance ganking against subscription loss.

Ahhhh so thats whats shes going for.

Ahhhh so thats whats shes going for...my bad.

No, that's what I was going for. I think Tippia and I would both prefer it if miners got off their asses and hunted people down instead of creating these threads ad nauseum.

why not afk mine and watch local. I mean avoid being ganked is easy.

you got a mobile local app or so? cause when im afk i really dont see local ever

So as I jump in on page 9, I admit I am a little late to the party. It seems to be a party some of my handiwork created as well. To answer a couple of questions about how this all came to be:

You've seen my fit. I also use a fit with ions and a point sometimes.
I don't use implants.
I always overheat.

The thing no one is considering when trying to calculate my DPS is that I have something far more powerful than implants in my head; my love for The Code. Every barge I fire on has the power of not just my guns, but the soul of the whole New Order exiting the barrels in a fiery report and hurtling in their direction. That is never going to show up on a killmail, but I feel it with every salvo.

Piekura knows me pretty well. Sometimes when the ice belt spawns they put in a jamming ship. Most of my work is done alone, and when that jamming ship is there and the pilot is on the ball, I am 100% shut down in my ability to kill anything except my own ship. I am not complaining, this is how it should be . . . I should be able to have a reasonable crack at the miners and they should have a decent shot at stopping me if they chose to do so. I do and they do.

Game balanced. Was a fun weekend Piekura. I love this game.

Gankers are parking boosting ships in systems which remain neutral making there pods almost impossible to catch. I would like to see these boosting ships become viable targets evening the playing field.

Gankers are parking boosting ships in systems which remain neutral making there pods almost impossible to catch. I would like to see these boosting ships become viable targets evening the playing field.

they aren't even playing the game.

For the life of me...I can't figure out why anyone gives a s**t.

Out of context quoting means you're cool.

Oh, and I give a hoot because I am tired of all the complaining from someone who didn't even bother to attempt to defend themselves, how I shouldn't have been able to kill them in the first place. Last I checked, I didn't sign up for Hello Kitty Online Adventure.

Maybe you need some "clarifications" as to how bad of a person you are.

Go for it. :P

It takes a gm to make massively sweeping changes that were always there and catch tons of "bad guys"

Maybe you need some "clarifications" as to how bad of a person you are.

Wait, so you're telling me CCP isn't entirely populated and staffed by goons? Well, that broke my little bubble... now to hide in a corner and go gank miners because I'm really insecure irl and feel bad about myself.

Or not.

You forgot, you're also unemployed living in your parents basement. Most likely a kid too.


Don't forget sociopath.

Out of context quoting means you're cool.

Oh, and I give a hoot because I am tired of all the complaining from someone who didn't even bother to attempt to defend themselves, how I shouldn't have been able to kill them in the first place. Last I checked, I didn't sign up for Hello Kitty Online Adventure.

Ah, yes. A recent one also is that I cry myself to sleep at night clutching my huge, pink, fluffy teddybear whilst remembering how my parents molested me.

Not even a month in, and I have learned so much about myself.

Hey there's nothing wrong with having a huge fluffy teddybear, and nobody will think less of you for having one in bed.

RIght guys?





Shutup I've had it since I was little and it's comfy.






Kinda creepy to have in bed during sexual relations, though. The eyes, they watch.....

Ah, yes. A recent one also is that I cry myself to sleep at night clutching my huge, pink, fluffy teddybear whilst remembering how my parents molested me.

Not even a month in, and I have learned so much about myself.

All I know is when Aion came out, it went down hill fast and one of the biggest reasons was the ganking. You suicide yourself to lose xp and maintain a certain level, twink yourself out, and go through the portal to ambush unsuspecting victims as they try and fight pve mobs in their homeland.

75% of players are in high sec. Don't tell me that they're 3 of the each null seccers alts because that's bs. PvE primarily is what keeps this game afloat.

Hey there's nothing wrong with having a huge fluffy teddybear, and nobody will think less of you for having one in bed.

RIght guys?

Shutup I've had it since I was little and it's comfy.


Kinda creepy to have in bed during sexual relations, though. The eyes, they watch.....

You were doing great, right up this point. 'Tis a commonly-held but fallacious belief that gankers have no life. We do. Or, at least, most of us do. Just as most EVE players in general have a life.

We just play differently.

Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff

and still have time to pop your pod,

You're just bitter you can't fit a bomb launcher on your Mega.

Its one of my three big issues in life.

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If you're not AFK, then you must notice that scanning ship or Venture with its nose crammed square up the ass of your mining ship at 0m, providing the warp-in for his gank buddies. That's your first indicator that it's time to GTFO.

The pro gankers use cloaked ships 10km away. Because you can warp to 10km if you want to.

You forgot, you're also unemployed living in your parents basement. Most likely a kid too.


Don't forget sociopath.

I hesitate to ask, but what are the other two?