I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.

They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.

What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy?

CCP buffs the tank for all barges and exhumers nerfing forever the idea of a Hulkageddon...........and "they" still complain.

CCP buffs the tank for all barges and exhumers nerfing forever the idea of a Hulkageddon...........and "they" still complain.

Have you tried hunting down and killing them?

Well yea, they buffed the tank so that they don't have to tank their Hulk/Mackinaw, and instead concentrate on max yield. Sheesh, get with the times man.

Look for mining barges and exhumers to be revamped to be almost exactly like freighters in the near future.

Some yes. Others no. Generalizing about 'everyone' is always a bad idea.

I think I'll tell my ganker friends about this thread. They might find an interesting target.

Good morning, Tippia. I see that you've brought your sense of humor today.

I think I'll tell my ganker friends about this thread. They might find an interesting target.

Unfortunately, CCP hasn't built the tank directly into the hull yet. Look for mining barges and exhumers to be revamped to be almost exactly like freighters in the near future. Mining vessels will have max mining output rolled into the hull, as well as the resists, and resultant EHP of a DCU, invuln, and shield extenders/rigs, leaving only high slots for the chosen mining modules.

Or course, they will still scream like babbies fresh off the teat when their crap continues to be ganked.

you don't understand scarcasm do you?

You know just as well as I do, no matter what CCP does to buff miners, they'll still pick the one with the largest ore bay, aim it at a rock, then go AFK. Then get ganked. Then complain about it.

The smart one's who stay ATK and use the tools provided will continue to make ISK.


Hey, Feature Idea. Take the retty/makinaw, trade highslot numbers with the proc/skiff, then swap the role bonus with the covetor/hulk. I mean, they're AFK anyway, who cares how long it takes to fill the hold.

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

Rumour has it that the new scanning system is severely dumbed-down and automated these days. Surely even a miner can make use of it?

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

If you're not AFK, then you must notice that scanning ship or Venture with its nose crammed square up the ass of your mining ship at 0m, providing the warp-in for his gank buddies. That's your first indicator that it's time to GTFO.

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

in my experience there is no way of seeing a covert ship? that's what provided the warp in

Yeah, and by the time his buddy landed, you were already a ways away, because you were mining aligned, orbiting, or at least burning around instead of sitting still, right? You had your drones out and orbiting to keep a covops from getting too close to you, right?

And a solo ganker with no scout is not going to catch you before you can warp out if you're paying attention. Don't mine on the warpin to the belt, or anywhere near it. Mine aligned as much as possible, or orbit your asteroid. Fit a damned tank and quit going for max yield all the time.

Really, what you should do is stop all this pedantic crap, and ask Baltec or Fappington or another regular ganker if you can tag along on a real gank of some sort, so that you can see what it's like on the other side of things. You can see who gets left alone and why, who gets away and why, and maybe have some clue as you why you or your friends were singled out to die. Because us telling you people over and over how to avoid it doesn't seem to work. Maybe learning by doing would help.

True fact, The New Order often allows miners to do a "ride along" on a few ganks, just to see exactly how it's done.

You want the utter best defense against ganking? Come gank for a few weeks. Set you up an 8 hour hero, and ask to go on fleets. What's the worst that can happen, you have fun and refuse to go back to mining?

Even if you are not afk and aligned the speed these destroyers take out exhumers is scary, Insta lock and scram... game over

I've got an alt I don't use from years ago that was maxed for destroyers.... so I test ganked one of my other characters.

With align and tank, it's a fail against a Catalyst for either a Covetor or a Hulk. There is no defense in .6 or .5. Maybe with a faction fitting.... but the expense is ridiculous.

So survivability is a lie told by the usual suspects. Align, tank, and warp is a lie.

If there's not a change to the expense reward ratio for ganking- industry will be deeply curtailed in high sec.

They've always worked towards balance in the game. Except on this one issue- a 12 million ISK combat ship, can take out a 250 million harvesting ship- right under the nose of the police. You would think that the ORE corporation would design their ships with better survifvability.

800DPS Dessie, where can I get that fit?