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The Git
Mercantile and Stuff
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Posted - 2013.09.18 23:31:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:[a batch of whingers ......Whine, kvetch, snivel, all teh time........ the self-entitled whinging........... to be treated as special snowflakes.
....... these whining, whinging, snivelling miners... ........... pantywastes have got to go. ...
I like how you reverse the cause/effect for justification.
If you aren't ganking them....what are they complaining about again?
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The Git
Mercantile and Stuff
1
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Posted - 2013.09.18 23:34:00 -
[272] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:There's intelligence to be gathered, plans to be made, targets to be identified.
That's hilarious.
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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.18 23:46:00 -
[273] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:What's mind boggling is your ability to contradict yourself. Either CCP wants high sec ganking, or they do not. There is no gray area that needs fixing. The safety system is already in place. They could, very literally, turn high sec ganking off tomorrow by engaging all safeties in high sec. Problem solved. There's nothing mechanically that would be broken by it. I'm not contradicting myself, CCP is... they change some things because of the sandbox, and they DON'T change some things out of the same reason. You think they have to have a clear opinion on sucide ganking? Well, they don't have one... except that it should not be profitable, that was already stated. ...but as I said, fruitless discussion, personally I hope they stop nerfing/buffing either side and move on to more important stuff ...and NO, I do not necessarily mean WiS. 
Well you are mostly correct. And I am more or less on your side. But what CCP really said back when mining barges were being buffd and retribution was rolling out was that:
Mining was supported by CCP as a game function.
Ganking was not it was a player derived, player invented gameplay.
Ganking was not meant to be supported as a profitable venture by CCP.
The fact that it was, was interesting to CCP and is always subject to change.
What you are saying is that CCP said ganking was not intended to be profitable and that is overstepping what they really said.
It is a fine distinction but it is still a distinction.
CCP also said they do want more player interaction in highsec.
This is their balance. Some like it some do not. And it could change more in the future. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3841
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Posted - 2013.09.18 23:53:00 -
[274] - Quote
The Git wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:There's intelligence to be gathered, plans to be made, targets to be identified. That's hilarious.
You think it's easy because all you see is the end result.
RIP Scamming; CCP has finally acknowledged that the average gamer is too stupid to avoid being scammed & has decided to protect them from themselves with TOS changes that effectively ban the practice. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2013.09.19 00:10:00 -
[275] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:The Git wrote:I wish those that enjoy and defend ganking miners would just man up and admit they do it because it's an easy game play style. No mysteries, very little tactics or strategy, and the end result is at least half known.
And find a different argument than the "they aren't playing the game!!!11", "they're afk and making money.....". Big effing deal. What possible effect does that have on your game play. Here's a clue, none.
Alliances that rent space are making money without being in the game. Moon production makes money without being in the game....blah, blah, blah...it is so tiresome.
Just admit it. Ganking miners is easy, mindless game play. Its barely more involved than mining while working on a spreadsheet. As someone who leads ganking fleets accross highsec, I can assure you that it is not mindless & a lot of work goes in to chaining successful ganks. The only thing miners see is the end result.
But but but fleet warp f1!
Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38 |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2013.09.19 00:14:00 -
[276] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote: but, in example, jet can mining wasn't removed, it was made obsolete by changing the mining barges. aggression mechanics
Fixed your post
Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38 |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project
Surely You're Joking
315
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:12:00 -
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Belana Mawr wrote:Mizhir wrote:You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge). Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff and still have time to pop your pod,
You think two catalysts can pop a Skiff 
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Akiyo Mayaki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:36:00 -
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You only die to ganks when you're AFK. Why should you win against people who aren't AFK?
No |
Crimson Gauntlet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:44:00 -
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Akiyo Mayaki wrote:You only die to ganks when you're AFK. Why should you win against people who aren't AFK?
Because teh feelings get hurt when they die.
More seriously, I have never gotten a straight, satisfactory answer to this question. There is none. They honestly think they should be immune.
Number of times my posts have come in after the dev/mod locked the thread:-á 1 |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
480
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:00:00 -
[280] - Quote
The Git wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:[a batch of whingers ......Whine, kvetch, snivel, all teh time........ the self-entitled whinging........... to be treated as special snowflakes.
....... these whining, whinging, snivelling miners... ........... pantywastes have got to go. ... I like how you reverse the cause/effect for justification. If you aren't ganking them....what are they complaining about again?
Turn-about *is* fair play. 18 nerfs and a Barge buff... I'd say they've had their way, and then some. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander; it's time for ours.
The Git wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:There's intelligence to be gathered, plans to be made, targets to be identified. That's hilarious. Spoken like someone who has no clue. Come, join us, and see how the other half lives. You'll find it isn't nearly as simple as you think.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
293
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:49:00 -
[281] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:
As someone who leads ganking fleets accross highsec, I can assure you that it is not mindless & a lot of work goes in to chaining successful ganks. The only thing miners see is the end result.
"I had no idea how much work this is. I thought you guys just undocked and wrecked ****." -- quote from newbie on their 2nd night of ganking with us.
This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
43
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Posted - 2013.09.19 05:29:00 -
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You don't need to be the most amazing miner tank ever to survive ganks... you just need to be decent. If you are the miner in the tanked Procurer or Skiff, you are already less attractive than most of the other targets in the belt.
Could someone take out my Skiff? You bet. Have they yet? No. Why not? Probably because for the cost of the number of destroyers it would take, they can get several other kills.
I have yet to meet the 2 destroyers who can take me out in 0.5 space, where I usually mine. I will be duly impressed when I do - those will be some impressive gankers. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8031
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Posted - 2013.09.19 05:56:00 -
[283] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:
except that it should not be profitable, that was already stated.
That badly worded statement was aimed at unfitted barge hulls.
An unfitted barge should not be profitable to gank and never has been. CCP thought that hulks were being ganked because the hull was profitable which has never been true. It was again, clueless high sec bears getting into a rage and posting lies for 8 months that resulted in that quote and CCPs actions in the miner buffs.
CCP now regrets those barge changes as they were bad and we learned that we cannot just sit back and troll the clueless as they cry about how life is so unfair that their actions can have a negetive impact on themselves. This is why we now take the time to counter every whine thread the bears put up with real numbers and facts that CCP will look at and instantly know what is going on and not be fooled into bad balance passes again. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20926
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Posted - 2013.09.19 06:12:00 -
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Yea... I'm sure CCP appreciates it, baltec...
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3846
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Posted - 2013.09.19 06:53:00 -
[285] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:CCP thought that hulks were being ganked because the hull was profitable which has never been true.
In the vast majority of cases, it actually was. I spent a lot of time ganking Hulks & profiting solely from the T2 salvage. Only very occasionally did I get garbage salvage.
RIP Scamming; CCP has finally acknowledged that the average gamer is too stupid to avoid being scammed & has decided to protect them from themselves with TOS changes that effectively ban the practice. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3846
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Posted - 2013.09.19 06:55:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Yea... I'm sure CCP appreciates it, baltec...
I'm sure they do aswell, since reasonable argument backed up by facts can potentially stop them from making pants-on-head changes such as how they buffed barges.
RIP Scamming; CCP has finally acknowledged that the average gamer is too stupid to avoid being scammed & has decided to protect them from themselves with TOS changes that effectively ban the practice. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20931
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:02:00 -
[287] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I'm sure they do aswell, since reasonable argument backed up by facts can potentially stop them from making pants-on-head changes such as how they buffed barges.
Sure... wait... it's still CCP we are talking about, yes?
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:22:00 -
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The discussion is a little moot. In EVE, there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths.
If you undock, you do so acknowledging that there is a strong culture where committing to a suicide attack (of any scale) against an otherwise 'unattractive' or 'unprofitable' target isn't just normal, it's encouraged.
~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
585
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:52:00 -
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Twylla wrote:In EVE, there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths.
You do know, you can lose your practice credentials if you hand out a diagnosis without performing a proper examination, right?
You aren't misrepresenting or falsely impersonating a Mental Health Professional, are you?
The term you were wanting is Antisocial (Dissocial) Personality Disorder, BTW. Sociopathy hasn't been used in mental health for awhile.
Also, issues determining the difference between fantasy (EVE) and Real Life is a common symptom of delusional psychosis. Like, say, attempting to determine someone's mental health state via actions in a video game...
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20934
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:04:00 -
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Twylla wrote:The discussion is a little moot. In EVE, there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths.
Oh no, you can't say things like that, they are just having FUN!
...but I agree, the discussion is moot. I mean, CCP doesn't even manage to make mining an interesting/worthwhile profession that doesn't involve mind numbing repetition, so why there are still people here thinking that they will fix "their game" (ganking) is beyond me... but hey, I'm just a useless industrialist, what do I know?
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:21:00 -
[291] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Twylla wrote:In EVE, there is no shortage of genuine sociopaths.
You do know, you can lose your practice credentials if you hand out a diagnosis without performing a proper examination, right? You aren't misrepresenting or falsely impersonating a Mental Health Professional, are you? The term you were wanting is Antisocial (Dissocial) Personality Disorder, BTW. Sociopathy hasn't been used in mental health for awhile. Also, issues determining the difference between fantasy (EVE) and Real Life is a common symptom of delusional psychosis. Like, say, attempting to determine someone's mental health state via actions in a video game...
1. One does not need a professional license to correctly associate a behavioral pattern to a dictionary definition. One does, however, to prescribe treatment or to establish a record by which the person may claim status such as disability.
2. Using the term 'antisocial' in an environment discussion on the internet begs the fallacious and assinine argument that the behaviour in question is 'social' in nature due to their interaction with victims. Ergo, I selected a deprecated term which doesn't bait the arguement.
3. People who play EVE are real people, and exhibit human behavior in their interactions with others in a virtual environment. Whether or not an assessed behavioral pattern exists in both virtual behavior and the 'real life' behavior of the same person is highly dependant on the individual.
4. You're an obvious idiot thinking that you can, even by rhetoric, associate delusional psychosis on a person without assessing the real person to determine if non-normal behavior is present.
~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Trotter Independant Trading.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:28:00 -
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typical flame on thread the OP makes a valid point and the rest of you blatantly avoid the point in question and blar blar blar rubbish.
Ganking is out of control deal with it.
In cases of gankage go to http://www.samaritans.org they are there to help you help your self |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20935
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:30:00 -
[293] - Quote
Twylla wrote:5. Go back to school.
Pretty much this... still, you used some big words on that poor ignorant NO tool... could cause damage.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:35:00 -
[294] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Twylla wrote:5. Go back to school. Pretty much this... still, you used some big words on that poor ignorant NO tool... could cause damage.
Sadly, I have a habit of accidentally making people feel stupid.
I wondered what rage-troll could emerge when I tried. :)
~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
19
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:51:00 -
[295] - Quote
This thread is amazing. It really is.
We are discussing a game, that is based around blowing up space ships, yet still people throw the old GÇ£If you shot stuff you must be a psychoGÇ¥ line around.
If you donGÇÖt like shooting things, why did you start playing a game thatGÇÖs based around shooting things?
Yes, yes I know there are other things to do (I have an industrialist alt myself) but when we first saw the ads or trailers for this game, it wasnGÇÖt amazing footage of huge fleetsGǪ sitting perfectly stillGǪ mining, was it?
"It is better to light a flame thrower than curse the darkness." --á T. Pratchett. |
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:55:00 -
[296] - Quote
Mythrandier wrote:
This thread is amazing. It really is.
We are discussing a game, that is based around blowing up space ships, yet still people throw the old GÇ£If you shot stuff you must be a psychoGÇ¥ line around.
If you donGÇÖt like shooting things, why did you start playing a game thatGÇÖs based around shooting things?
Yes, yes I know there are other things to do (I have an industrialist alt myself) but when we first saw the ads or trailers for this game, it wasnGÇÖt amazing footage of huge fleetsGǪ sitting perfectly stillGǪ mining, was it?
That's a CCP problem. Half the game (the part where you build stuff) exists, is functional, but is not 'fun'. While a few will find 'enjoyment' in performing tasks similar to a non-game environment (such as station traders and nulsec moongoo/capship production), the process of procuring minerals is highly abusive.
~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
baltec1
Bat Country
8032
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:13:00 -
[297] - Quote
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:typical flame on thread the OP makes a valid point and the rest of you blatantly avoid the point in question and blar blar blar rubbish. Ganking is out of control deal with it. In cases of gankage go to http://www.samaritans.org they are there to help you help your self
Barge kills are at a record low.
Around 40 freighters are ganked out of 500,000 to 1,000,000 trips made a month.
Where is all of this out of control ganking? |
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Trotter Independant Trading.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:14:00 -
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This so called game strips away your morality to such an extent that you make stupid remarks about not giving a **** about causing utter misery to another person just because you can. The utterly sad part about that is the plesaure you get from doing it. Why not pull the wings off a butterfly and laugh at the poor thing as it squirms around in agony you don't need internet space ships to get your jollies.
To all you who fail to apply any built in morals to this situation I say GET OUT MORE try applying your brutishness down the pub where you'll get the S-IT kicked out of you for real.
My vote goes to renaming Eve Online to Misery Online it's more apt and has a certain ring about it. |
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:15:00 -
[299] - Quote
Hop in an orca and route between any hubs and count the number of scans you go through.
Hop into any belt in .5/.6 belt in an unfitted coveter and see how many people hop in and target you.
My answer? about 3-4 an hour.
~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20939
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:16:00 -
[300] - Quote
Twylla wrote:That's a CCP problem. Half the game (the part where you build stuff) exists, is functional, but is not 'fun'. While a few will find 'enjoyment' in performing tasks similar to a non-game environment (such as station traders and nulsec moongoo/capship production), the process of procuring minerals has become highly abusive.
Exactly... and it actually should be CCP's job to fix that, not the job of some cellar kids imagining them self as "saviors of the game" by discriminating/degrading a whole part of the player base to be their personal toys/slaves.
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
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