that's because you can lose isk a hell of a lot faster than you can make it. especially when you put it all in the back of a freighter.

I know the why of it. I am just saying if you want to use CCP figures do not scew the data to make your point.

You're the one "skewing" data. He stated the percentages of what people like to do or aspects of the game they like, which is what the chart shows if I remember correctly. You're the one who introduced what people spend more time doing.

Not quite true at least as of 2012 fanfest. 75% of the characters are in highsec.
But if you run a filter and take out all players under 3 months old5 million skill points then you get 65% of the remaining characters 3 months old5 million skill points are in high sec.

They did this to demonstrate that players do move over time from high sec to low or null sec.
As both showed a corresponding increase after 3 months old5 million skill points toons are filtered.

Then they also compared what players like to do vs what they actually do do.
And those do not add up very well either. You are using their data to scew your point of view.
Players actually do a whole lot more PVE than they do PVP. Even though they say they like PVP better.

but i spent 4 years at university to learn do just that. i'd hate for it to have been a waste of time and money.

lol yea so what marketing major?

no, statistics.

Ouch.

Not quite true at least as of 2012 fanfest. 75% of the characters are in highsec.

You are using their data to scew your point of view.

EhGǪ those are the numbers from the 2012 fanfest.

Not really no. The data says that PvP is by far the most liked gameplay in EVE. This rather supports my point of view and goes against the oft-made implication that only a few players actually enjoy it.

By the way, guess what's more important in drawing new players to EVE than its PvE gameplay?




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Its OSX client.

Good point but if only 19% are actually doing PVP then how can the rest know they like it?

By doing it, but not to the extent where they feel it qualifies as what they GÇ£spend the most of their time onGÇ¥, or however CCP chose to formulate the question.

That's right, private servers with private rules. Imagine if EVE did that, some people would have high sec servers with pvp turned completly off....



It amazes me how people like you and me can see the folly of that kind of situation (and understand that the idea is pure stupid) and others just...can't.

One of the main differences, since its a twitch based game style, is that the server will create an instance of a system if more than 100 people are in one system at a time, otherwise all players play within and together in the one persistent universe.

This is a direct contradiction in terms.

If it's instanced, it is NOT a persistent, single shard.

"Oh, it's a persistent, but, if, unless, except..."

Yeah, no.

This is a direct contradiction in terms.

If it's instanced, it is NOT a persistent, single shard.

"Oh, it's a persistent, but, if, unless, except..."

Yeah, no.

Really so any game that creates an instance is not an MMO. We should alert all the MMO's who have instances as they're misrepresenting themselves.

Did I say that? Talk about your obvious strawman.

What I said was that you cannot say that you are a persistent single shard if you have to keep saying "but, if, unless, except".

Learn to read, jeez. Or at least learn to stop skimming to look for something to get in a huff about.

A persistent world is one in which your changes affect other players who also play in that world. In SC everyone affects the same world. If I find a new solar system it gets named after my character, whenever anyone goes to the solar system they go to Ziona solar system. If I am in the same location as another player I will see that player, if players from the US, Africa, Europe go to a solar system they all see each other. If I mine a rock in that solar system till it depletes, that rock is no longer available to those people. Single persistent shard.

Aaaaand Infinity Ziona redifines yet another industry term to fit her own personal skewed definition of it's meaning.

We're back to this again, folks.

And all that stuff you just said, and before you said if more than a hundred people are in the same place, poof instanced. Which means that it is not, in fact, a single shard. If I am 105th person to show up in that system, I do not see everyone there, because it is instanced.

Ergo, not a single shard.

By the way, the whole "name your system after yourself" amounts to little more than the Dark Souls note system as far as they have revealed. Just because I can see someone else's tracks in Dark Souls does not mean that's a single persistent shard either.

So, let's get back to your whole "you're saying it's not really an MMO' bullshit statement.

Why did you say that? Are you a habitual liar, or were you simply trying to discredit me by the most expedient way possible? I notice you have very quickly shifted gears to an entirely different argument, your typical redefine terms one, but lets discuss that first one for a little while. Please explain your erroneous statement.

Its a single shard. Instancing does not negate that.

Really so any game that creates an instance is not an MMO. We should alert all the MMO's who have instances as they're misrepresenting themselves.

Yes, it does. That is the literal definition.

Now, tell me why you said this lie:



Why tell such a whopper, hmm? Why would you deliberately misrepresent what I said, when nothing of the sort had been said by me?

I got your knickers all in a knot didnt I?

Having an instance doesn't negate a single shared world.

If one of the players in the instance puts something on the market that item is available in both instances. If an asteroid is depleted in the original system it depletes in the instance.

Its similiar to grids in EvE. If you had every player show on overview in Jita you wouldn't load so EvE chops up systems into little piece. You can consider those instances.

Having an instance doesn't negate a single shared world. It is required because user hardware and server hardware software are not yet powerful enough to have real time twitch based combat with hundreds of players.

It seems not all destroyers are created equally. I'm kind of a missile guy myself, so was wondering if it's possible to get a corax or talwar to be as scary as the nightmare inducing catalysts? Not sure yet whether I'm gonna try ganking, but definitely considering loading up a dessie with festival launchers and fireworks to see if I can make a hulk spawn a new asteroid. However, were I to wish to get serious about the violence, it comes back to the fits... are there any decent rocket/light missile destroyer fits for ganking?