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Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:54:00 -
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Do you have an alt called Rincewind to use as a distraction?
Very nice read keep it up. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
425
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:31:00 -
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SternholdEscobar wrote:Twoflower Octiron wrote: I jumped.
bubble up ?
Probably not, Provi gates are rarely bubbled. |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
95
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:32:00 -
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While most definitely not the 'first' nor the 'first*' (as defined by OP), interesting read with some nice screenshots.
Keep it up! o/ |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:47:00 -
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Sweet, I'll be watching this thread with great interest...
I remember back in 2006, the character INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE did something crazy too, where he went on a huge tour of 0.0 and met some of the most famous personalities in EVE at the time.
Loved reading about his exploits as a player.
Blog and Forum thread.
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
898
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:58:00 -
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if you really want to meet pirates you should go in a battlecruiser :)
then come to aunenen, we will give you the tour of our professional ship disposal service and ransom program |
Frank Pannon
Jade Pork Assasins
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:27:00 -
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Very entertaining read, keep it going :)
It does not matter that you are not first, what matters is that it feels first to you. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Gryphon League
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:54:00 -
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Good tale.
Some suggestions:
If you ever get over to Syndicate there is this one system there which is unique to Syndicate, Poitot and is a must do on your tour list.
I always meant to travel to T-IPZB and view the shattered planet, these are rare and only a few in the universe exist.
UB-UQZ over in Branch is the current home system of Get Off My Lawn, if you head over that way, say hi for me.
EC-P8R this system is well known for the phrase, "GET THE POD!". Senex Legio |
sten mattson
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.17 23:13:00 -
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Amarr to meet the Honorable Chribba and his veldnaught, the only revelation ingame to be used for mining veldspar
Siseide beeing the last lowsec stronghold of the amarrian militia.
9UY4-H is one of the core systems of providence, home of provibloc , the only NRDS sov holding entity (that know of ^^) IMMA FIRING MA LAZAR!!! |
Twoflower Octiron
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:51:00 -
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Part 4: Curatores Veritatis Alliance GÇô Sex or death cult?
I had jumped.
I opened my eyes slowly for I was terrified of what I might see. My breath was held and my hands steadied, the slightest movement could uncloak my ship and reveal me to this Gatecamp
Turns out that the Bestower (which according to my excellent sources is an industrial ship) had also jumped through the gate at the same time. I waved to him eagerly - a fellow adventurer. I then realised that he couldn't see me and stopped waving. There was also a casual Tengu (that's a strategic cruiser folks) sat around the gate, perhaps he was there to welcome people to null security with cookies and wine?
I was eager to make my first 0.0 docking so I warped towards the only station in the system. Just as I was about to dock I saw the pilot of the Bestower appear in his pod, apparently the Tengu wasn't there to welcome people after all. Was this going to be my experience from here on out? Heroically dodging Tengus holding explosive cookie boxes and innocents being deconstructed into matter in mere milliseconds. I filed these thoughts under 'someone else's problems, I'm sure'.
For those who have never seen the inside of a 0.0 station, here is a picture with a little bit of information about the alliance who own it First station!
I un-docked to take my customary picture and had to quickly re-dock when I saw a ship called 'Nemesis' as I thought that perhaps it was my nemesis. Station
I decided I would find out what it was the Tengu pilot wanted and precisely whose nemesis was floating around outside, I made contact Conversation
So to summarise; within 3 minutes of entering 0.0 and 1 minute of initiating contact I had seen a peaceful industrialist blown to pieces, been the victim of attempted extortion for photography and been threatened with certain death. Perhaps he really was my nemesis.
From all this excitement I took two things: 1) GÇ£there is great stuff in d61aGÇ¥ 2) I'm sure no one will hurt an innocent tourist
Which left me with only one option, I jumped into D61A-G. On reflection it was probably inevitable that the other side looked like this: Gatecamp 2
Let's take a little time out here. After seeing what happened to the Bestower I had not jumped through completely unprepared. I opened with 5 choice lines that were sure to confuse, flatter, confuse and endear the pilots while at the same time ensuring my continued onward progress Masterplan |
Twoflower Octiron
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:53:00 -
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NEW EDEN TRAVEL ADVICE GÇô Those 5 phrases are worse than useless.
GÇ£Welcome backGÇ¥ Heinrich Hoss said. GÇ£You were right. Certain deathGÇ¥ I replied. My only regret is that in my death throes I forgot to photograph my first ever corpse!
I undocked quickly to test out the controls on my new pod but when I went to re-enter the station I noticed something I hadn't the first time. I had to pay to dock! It appears that economics is at work wherever you go, especially on tourist holidays GÇô everything gets more expensive!
After a few more enquiries with the locals everything went quiet, it appears that there was some form of gagging order in effect. I decided to move onwards, picking a random system to the south a whole 18 jumps into the heart of 0.0. Skilfully avoiding the gatecamp by waiting until they had gone I made an uneventful journey to 9UY4-H which turned out to be a system owned by the Curatores Veritatis Alliance, all I had to do now was find their home station and photograph it! http://eve-files.com/dl/264848
Well, that was easy.
Here it is, the top secret staging ground of the entire CVA alliance:
http://eve-files.com/dl/264849
And here is where things get weird. I thought I would have to earn their trust, that the area would be heavily patrolled and I would have to run between asteroid belts to avoid being hunted down. Instead, this happened: http://eve-files.com/dl/264850
Despite my seemingly genuine protestations at being recruited to a space orgy, I had in fact instantly un-docked to participate but was left disappointed with the turnout and promptly re-docked in protest and so that I could continue to pretend to be shocked and appalled. http://eve-files.com/dl/264851
It appeared that the members of this secret fight club/space orgy would remain more tight lipped that a small mouthed man who had sewn his mouth up, installed a zip and locked it shut. That was until I uttered one phrase which rocked this liberal space men to their core and opened them up like an exotic dancer's le------.
http://eve-files.com/dl/264852
I undocked.
Even now, I am not sure if CVA are a sex cult or a death cult. Whether they practice space orgies or an illicit fight club. I shall present the evidence and let you decide:
http://eve-files.com/dl/264853
http://eve-files.com/dl/264854
http://eve-files.com/dl/264855
http://eve-files.com/dl/264856
Nonetheless this was my first sight of a proper fleet! I could not deny how cool that was and I said so. I was then informed that the pilots of CVA and it's friends do not pod people GÇô apart from terrorists. They also said that in the rest of null security that I would be podded on sight unless I was 'blue' to them (this means standings!). I filed this information away as irrelevant and watched as the mighty fleet warped off.
http://eve-files.com/dl/264857
I greatly enjoyed my time with CVA and their friends. They are really friendly and do not want to pod you GÇô I've moved my clone to their station so that I can visit them whenever I get podded. I recommend that any player who would like to have a taste of null security space go and visit them GÇô though do beware you do not get sucked into one of their orgies... unless you like that kind of thing. CVA get a New Eden travel rating of: 9/10
It was as I looked at my map to plan the next stage of my journey that for the second time I received divine help in a way that would change the course of my journey forever.
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I can't pretend that I am not furious, because I am. I was lied to, cheated and made a fool of. All that time I was stood there looking at it and they all pointed in opposite directions. Well, who has the last laugh truly? I'll tell you who, me! Sten Mattson in this very thread informed me that 9UY4-H is one of the core systems of Providence, thus CVA and all the time I was in there asking for directions to their home system not one of them thought to point this out.
Well, guess what? I got a picture of that station as well! But I still love the CVA guys.
http://eve-files.com/dl/264858
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
695
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:45:00 -
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Both F-Y and 9UY are important systems for CVA and Providence. :P
I wonder where your travels will take you next! |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
105
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:14:00 -
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Twoflower Octiron wrote:NEW EDEN TRAVEL ADVICE GÇô Those 5 phrases are worse than useless. GÇ£Welcome backGÇ¥ Heinrich Hoss said. GÇ£You were right. Certain deathGÇ¥ I replied. My only regret is that in my death throes I forgot to photograph my first ever corpse! I undocked quickly to test out the controls on my new pod but when I went to re-enter the station I noticed something I hadn't the first time. I had to pay to dock! It appears that economics is at work wherever you go, especially on tourist holidays GÇô everything gets more expensive! After a few more enquiries with the locals everything went quiet, it appears that there was some form of gagging order in effect. I decided to move onwards, picking a random system to the south a whole 18 jumps into the heart of 0.0. Skilfully avoiding the gatecamp by waiting until they had gone I made an uneventful journey to 9UY4-H which turned out to be a system owned by the Curatores Veritatis Alliance, all I had to do now was find their home station and photograph it! ConversationWell, that was easy. Here it is, the top secret staging ground of the entire CVA alliance: Staging groundAnd here is where things get weird. I thought I would have to earn their trust, that the area would be heavily patrolled and I would have to run between asteroid belts to avoid being hunted down. Instead, this happened: A strange inviteDespite my seemingly genuine protestations at being recruited to a space orgy, I had in fact instantly un-docked to participate but was left disappointed with the turnout and promptly re-docked in protest and so that I could continue to pretend to be shocked and appalled. Worst orgy ever!It appeared that the members of this secret fight club/space orgy would remain more tight lipped that a small mouthed man who had sewn his mouth up, installed a zip and locked it shut. That was until I uttered one phrase which rocked this liberal space men to their core and opened them up like an exotic dancer's le------. A better masterplanI undocked. Even now, I am not sure if CVA are a sex cult or a death cult. Whether they practice space orgies or an illicit fight club. I shall present the evidence and let you decide: Romp?Stomp?Battle glory?Glory hole?Nonetheless this was my first sight of a proper fleet! I could not deny how cool that was and I said so. I was then informed that the pilots of CVA and it's friends do not pod people GÇô apart from terrorists. They also said that in the rest of null security that I would be podded on sight unless I was 'blue' to them (this means standings!). I filed this information away as irrelevant and watched as the mighty fleet warped off. Basically, I'm going to dieI greatly enjoyed my time with CVA and their friends. They are really friendly and do not want to pod you GÇô I've moved my clone to their station so that I can visit them whenever I get podded. I recommend that any player who would like to have a taste of null security space go and visit them GÇô though do beware you do not get sucked into one of their orgies... unless you like that kind of thing. CVA get a New Eden travel rating of: 9/10 It was as I looked at my map to plan the next stage of my journey that for the second time I received divine help in a way that would change the course of my journey forever. End of part 4. - - - I can't pretend that I am not furious, because I am. I was lied to, cheated and made a fool of. All that time I was stood there looking at it and they all pointed in opposite directions. Well, who has the last laugh truly? I'll tell you who, me! Sten Mattson in this very thread informed me that 9UY4-H is one of the core systems of Providence, thus CVA and all the time I was in there asking for directions to their home system not one of them thought to point this out. Well, guess what? I got a picture of that station as well! But I still love the CVA guys. I win
Lol, I remember seeing you flying around in a shuttle. Hope you enjoyed your visit to providence. I do hope Heinrich wasn't shooting at neutrals again.
I'll be following your adventures closely. Fly safe. Don't Panic.
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Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers The Kadeshi
159
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:19:00 -
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All i know is I head CVA and "proper fleet" in the same sentence and I about died laughing. |
Kalrissia
Golden Talon Industries Total Justification
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:06:00 -
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Hehe, I'm an old fan of some of the old tourism forums and blogs and entirely glad someone like you has taken up the profession. It is something rarely done with enthusiasm. I wish you luck and fortune on your happy trails and I will be following you as a lot of others are.
I remember my first outing to the Eve Gate. It was most enlightening and rather... trippy. I must do it again sometime. Perhapse take a bunch of newer wannabe tourists.
You ever need help then hit me up ingame. Also, I'm sure that there is a big list of places unique to the rest of the systems. I'll look into it.
Happy trails.
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Twoflower Octiron
31
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:45:00 -
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Solaris Ecladia wrote:All i know is I head CVA and "proper fleet" in the same sentence and I about died laughing.
I accept your offer for me to come along and photograph your 'proper' fleet. Just let me know which system is best and I will make my leisurely way over there.
Oh, I'll also need a picture of your station!
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Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers The Kadeshi
160
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:44:00 -
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Head down towards I-NGI8. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1226
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:23:00 -
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I think I never had such an awesome reading from "a newb" than yours.
Being an Eve nerd despite me I can't get out this little idea in the corner of my brain telling me "another alt posting" but, the but in the butter, everyone starts his Eve adventure as he wants it to be, so I like the idea of the true "tourist" with a gigantic chance ass hole not getting that much scrubs on his way as I knowing a little bet Eve does (because I'm lazy but I don't want to dmit it publicly...crap!)
I just bm this thread, it's just so awesome, thank you very much. Cya soon buddy.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
186
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:42:00 -
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I write a blog about me being a tourist and taking screenshots... wtf. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
282
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Posted - 2013.09.20 17:55:00 -
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I had to venture in the void so long that i had found myself made of void. I have seen the face of void, my face, and i have listened to its music, my voice. The eye of the void is my eye. New CQ prototype |
Ivan Krividus
Born Crazy
14
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:53:00 -
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yo gratz on making it to "this week in eve"
Hurry up with pt 5 |
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:02:00 -
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Gritz1 wrote:I write a blog about me being a tourist and taking screenshots... wtf. Link your blog man |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
187
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:58:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Gritz1 wrote:I write a blog about me being a tourist and taking screenshots... wtf. Link your blog man
Travel New Eden
I have not been as active as I was before since I have started a new job.. but things are getting normal and I have a few planned write ups as well as a few friends who would like to write a little. |
thumernlife
S0utherN Comfort Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:28:00 -
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Nice see you in GE-8JV .... I hope to see our group photo on this forum soon!! |
Ralyn Longs
Blackwater Swat. Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:32:00 -
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Welcome to GE-8. I hope you enjoyed your stay.
Don't be a stranger!
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Twoflower Octiron
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:09:00 -
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Part 5: Access denied!
After the last of the mighty CVA fleet warped off I found myself alone. I was floating outside a huge space station constructed with the labour of hundreds of pilots, an exercise in phenomenal dedication, resources and planning; what's more, there are hundreds of these all over New Eden. What did I have? A shuttle, a camera and not a clue where I was going. Never have I felt so small, unimportant and insignificant.
Not that feelings of inadequacy should prevent my surge across the ether! I fired up my map and was about to pick a system at random to visit when I noticed this: Message from the ether
Was this the hand of some god? A message beamed across the wide expanse of space? Or was it a malfunction and I'd end up visiting another vicious gatecamp? I did the only sensible thing and began my longest trek yet; an eye watering 47 jumps.
It was 12 jumps later when I ran into the gatecamp. Don't panic though, I had learned from my previous experience that clever words alone would not sway such heartless vagabonds, I needed something real, something tangible, something that would both say GÇ£You're not allowed to hurt meGÇ¥ and GÇ£Don't you dare hurt meGÇ¥. I brought my passport. An even better master plan
Who would dare defy the authority of the New Eden travel board and attack someone with a legitimate passport on legitimate peaceful travels? I decided that in the eventuality that it did happen I would open with over confidence, following up with stark indignation in case they started shooting.
These guys have no respect for proper documentation apparently GÇô I put the plan into action: Evil vagabonds
Fortunately, I did not forget to photograph my corpse this time, so here it is, for your viewing pleasure. It is also a fantastic view of my anus: My anus
I would not have it said that Twoflower Octiron ignores obvious signs of divine intervention and cowers in a station because of a mere podding, so I cunningly avoided the system of my demise and set off on the now 52 jump journey. I had developed a brilliant strategy regarding my clone, as I moved through CVA space I moved my clone when I docked, by repeating this over the course of the 52 jumps I would have less distance to travel if I got brutally murdered! What could possibly go wrong?
Of all the potential catastrophes that I had envisaged, meeting this man was not one of them: A strange conversation
He appears to be a time traveling black hole collector, or suffering from radiation sickness from the sun. Or perhaps he is altogether lying and is in fact, hiding something. I invited my new friend, Ora, to the sun so that we could have a picture together to commemorate our little chat, he turned up in covert ops ship and quickly disappeared again. Thinking this was some practical joke involving his cloaking device, sneaking up on me and shouting boo, I sat back in my shuttle and giggled away to myself. After 5 minutes it became obvious that Ora was not in fact sneaking up on me and when I inquired he informed me he had gone to a relic site.
I thrust my embarrassment at giggling to myself aside as a relic site sounded cool, dangerous, exciting and cool and I just had to go there and find out what one was. I could use the knowledge given to me by Cryogenic Amatin and informed my new adventure companion that we could form a fleet and I would warp to him.
This is a relic site: Abandoned trash
Apparently the aim of the game is to hunt through the floating junk and crack open a few containers which then vomit their contents out into space and you have to grab it as fast as you can. I attempted to help Ora but was utterly useless. Desperately chasing abandoned trash
Though I did notice something which made me giggle uncontrollably causing my shuttle to rock in a most suggestive manner; this was the space of Against All Authorities. Now, at the time I had made a small mistake and had wrongly attributed my previous podding to the guns of Against All Authorities (when it had in fact been The Kadeshi). Putting small injustices aside, I was also morally opposed to their hostile stance against all forms of authority, as I was a tourist under the wing of the New Eden tourist board I felt personally victimised. Thus I found it most pleasing that Ora was here, stealing from their relic site. Though, I keep a public face of total neutrality of course.
I thanked Ora for showing me around the relic site and giving me insight into what a lone, new player could get up to in this hostile environment. I bid him farewell and promised to keep him updated on my quest. I had to move on because I had a more pressing issue. Yet another catastrophe had struck! Access denied!
Apparently the station didn't like me, my corporation or my alliance. As an unaffiliated tourist I was without a corporation or alliance, that meant that they specifically did not like me. They hadn't even met me and had decided that I, specifically me, was not allowed to dock there. Is Nexus command possibly the least welcoming place in the entirety of the universe? This took my plans of clone jumping, scrunched them up, stamped on them, set them on fire and then put the ashes in 100 cargo containers before jettisoning them into 100 random wormholes before chucking a bomb in afterwards for good measure.
I could only hope that my divine quest to the bottom of the map would yield some answers; for every jump I went, the further from my clone I would be. I was shortly to find out that there was no docking to be had for a tourist outside of CVA space. |
Twoflower Octiron
39
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:09:00 -
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Part 5: Access Denied! (2)
It was about 5 jumps away from my destination when I came face to face with destiny. A man who read my fortune and warned me of the trials ahead. The conversation unnerved me so much that I could not bring myself to present it to you, he spoke of the dangers of null security, the difficulty in finding the places I sought, the impossibility of ever docking again and then this, his final words: I really am going to die
I was relieved. To have met this saviour so close to my impending doom, to have my death foretold and now have the ability to escape it. I turned my shuttle around, picked the nearest 1.0 security system I could find made for home. I was determined to never leave that system and spend my days as a freelance veldspar photographer.
Alternatively, I ignored this rambling mad man and jumped through the gate. Turns out it was a lovely looking gate: A lovely looking gate
A few more jumps and I was there. I began, 52 jumps ago, directed to this very location by a mysterious sign on my map. I had been shot, killed, taken on a major heist of relics and been threatened with my very death. I jumped through and saw the answer to all my questions: Alone
I was devastated. I was sure that this would be where I would learn the secrets of docking in null security. I warped between desolate asteroid fields, despondent. Perhaps I really was that small, unimportant and insignificant and should have turned my shuttle for empire space, this was clearly no place for me. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
718
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:50:00 -
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Loving every single moment of your adventure! |
Altaier Knight
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2013.09.22 02:55:00 -
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If you want more lore destinations to visit you could try the sites from the Sanctuary Image Contest; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254551 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3317423#post3317423 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3347187#post3347187
If that list is too long then here are some highlights from a fellow explorer (I finished all 3 sets of the competition) Operation Highlander (Luminaire) - The crash site of the Shiigeru onto the capital world it was trying to protect, it is still burning Ishukone Headquarters in Malkalen - Another site of mass death...I'm sensing a pattern here also still burning, in space, five years later CONCORD Headquarters in Yulai - Get your passport reissued Steve (C9N-CC) - The first built and first lost titan Monolith (Dead End) - cryogenic Amatin was so close! This is three jumps out from New Eden and since you're heading back there anyway...
and my personal favourite Seylin I - The location behind the name of the Seylin Incident, 500 million people die from an unexplained event with the Seylin star. This happens simultaneously in 8 other locations as normal planets are boiled into shattered planets while wormholes first tear into existence. Was it an Amarrian weapon? A troublesome Thukker Tribe Convoy was wiped out by it. Or was it the first strike of Sansha Kuvakei's resurgence? He seems to have unique control over wormholes, spawning stable and secure links to any system he wants, even in Jove space. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
The Knights of Spamalot The Methodical Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.09.23 07:10:00 -
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I saw Twoflower flying through space the other day :-)
I am enjoying the read. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
10228
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Posted - 2013.09.23 07:44:00 -
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Altaier Knight wrote:and my personal favourite Seylin I - The location behind the name of the Seylin Incident, 500 million people die from an unexplained event with the Seylin star. This happens simultaneously in 8 other locations as normal planets are boiled into shattered planets while wormholes first tear into existence. Was it an Amarrian weapon? A troublesome Thukker Tribe Convoy was wiped out by it. Or was it the first strike of Sansha Kuvakei's resurgence? He seems to have unique control over wormholes, spawning stable and secure links to any system he wants, even in Jove space. That story is revealed in the Chronicle Arc, "End Of The World"(IIRC, it should at least be something similar). it details the story of the appearance of the wormholes, from the very beginning when a Sisters Of EVE agent following the trail of faint, nearly-impossible-to-find signatures in deadspace to the discovery of the superweapon shown in the last scene of the Empyrean Age trailer by a Thukker captain and his crew of a Vagabond HAC, and how they manipulated rogue drones to destroy that superweapon. and AFAIK the "Shattered" planets are also a result of this. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
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