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Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
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Posted - 2013.09.17 20:53:00 -
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Orca is used for hisec mining, so why not using a freighter for ore conveying ? Orca is as slow and can't boost mining op while warping/docked.
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Dave Stark
3692
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:01:00 -
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Lara Dantreb wrote:Orca is used for hisec mining, so why not using a freighter for ore conveying ? Orca is as slow and can't boost mining op while warping/docked.
you can haul with an orca without dropping boosts, i do it every time i mine.
boosts are only relevant when a strip miner finishes and starts it's cycles. warp and dock between activations and you're fine. that means aligning during a cycle, warping and docking and unloading during the cycle, align and start boosts when you undock, then when the new strip miner cycle begins warp back to the belt.
it's not difficult. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want? Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3. and the orca can get a total capacity of around 92k from 1 bay alone. also, a bay that can hold anything. next irrelevant argument?
It takes 38+ Miasmos (265,000 M3) to match the size of one Orca's volume (10,250,000). So those 38 Miasmos can carry 2,584,000 m3 of cargo, compared to an Orca's ability to carry maybe 200k if they completely gimp the tank?
I'm not sure why you keep saying that updating the ore bay isn't necessary. Eve's evolved, and this is just one little detail that needs to be reconsidered to reflect the new reality of industrial craft changes. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:08:00 -
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Gianath wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want? Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3. and the orca can get a total capacity of around 92k from 1 bay alone. also, a bay that can hold anything. next irrelevant argument? It takes 38+ Miasmos (265,000 M3) to match the size of one Orca's volume (10,250,000). So those 38 Miasmos can carry 2,584,000 m3 of cargo, compared to an Orca's ability to carry maybe 200k if they completely gimp the tank? I'm not sure why you keep saying that updating the ore bay isn't necessary. Eve's evolved, and this is just one little detail that needs to be reconsidered to reflect the new reality of industrial craft changes.
and if you had those 38 miasmos pilots in orcas....
you'd have 38 ships with more ehp (feel free to prove that one wrong, i haven't EFT'd it myself. however i doubt a renamed iteron out tanks even a cargo expanded orca) and more cargo!
****, even a tanked orca has more space for ore than a ******* miasmos.
just so you're aware; volume of ships are irrelevant, especially when you realise the orca has a 400k ship bay, fitting services, etc.
i say it because the size of the ore bay isn't an issue. sure it would be nice if it were bigger but at it's current size there's currently no problem.
besides, the orca is an industrial command ship. if cargo space is really an issue then freighters can now scoop from cans/fleet hangars. enjoy. |
sennert
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:56:00 -
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My idea for the Orca is not to nerf or buff it in any way. Rather increase its flexibility. How I suggest to do that is by industrial reconfiguration. As it stands there's roughly 92000 m3 of cargo space 40000 for ore, 50000 for corp, and 400000 m3 ship hanger space. With industrial reconfiguration the pilot would be able to adjust those hangers to fit the mission. This would also allow the Orca a larger roll in hauling anything from fitted ships to hauling ore out of belts. |
Dave Stark
3692
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Posted - 2013.09.18 05:22:00 -
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sennert wrote:My idea for the Orca is not to nerf or buff it in any way. Rather increase its flexibility. How I suggest to do that is by industrial reconfiguration. As it stands there's roughly 92000 m3 of cargo space 40000 for ore, 50000 for corp, and 400000 m3 ship hanger space. With industrial reconfiguration the pilot would be able to adjust those hangers to fit the mission. This would also allow the Orca a larger roll in hauling anything from fitted ships to hauling ore out of belts.
if you want more cargo space; buy a freighter.
the orca is already pretty much the most flexible ship in the game. |
sennert
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
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Posted - 2013.09.18 07:10:00 -
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Yes buy a freighter but what fills the role tell you can either afford or train for it? There's a big hole as far as m3 of hanger space concerned. Orca is very flexible afk boosting in a pos or outside a station. |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.09.18 09:12:00 -
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Orca is just perfect the way it is in my humble opinion. |
Stop Looking
Universal Trading Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.09.18 10:00:00 -
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Leave my Highsec-Carrier alone goddammit. Granted I am not using it for its intended mining-support role at all but it works beautifully as a kind of locust hive with some Friggy and TII Cruiser hulls and 10s align - Thank you 100mn MWD - plenty of storage and refitting capabilitys even in non station systems...
I am going to go on a rampage if I have to move rigged cruiser hulls via courier contracts in a Freighter again. Its slow enough as it is for BS-¦s.
That is all ;-) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:40:00 -
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sennert wrote:Yes buy a freighter but what fills the role tell you can either afford or train for it? There's a big hole as far as m3 of hanger space concerned.
This is the root of the issue, and has been covered many many times in the past 3+ years I've been playing. There is a thread somewhere in Features and Ideas about it and CCP is quite aware of it.
Something in-between an Orca and the Freighter line would indeed be great as long as it's for packaged cargo and ore, but the Orca is just fine for what it was designed to do. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.09.18 17:21:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:sennert wrote:Yes buy a freighter but what fills the role tell you can either afford or train for it? There's a big hole as far as m3 of hanger space concerned. This is the root of the issue, and has been covered many many times in the past 3+ years I've been playing. There is a thread somewhere in Features and Ideas about it and CCP is quite aware of it. Something in-between an Orca and the Freighter line would indeed be great as long as it's for packaged cargo and ore, but the Orca is just fine for what it was designed to do.
it isn't even an issue; if it doesn't fit in an orca buy a freighter. just because you don't fill all 900k cargo space in a freighter doesn't stop it being useful or isn't fulfilling it's role. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Black Core Alliance
1087
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Posted - 2013.09.18 17:39:00 -
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I'd like to get three assembled hulks in an orca but even without that, it's still one of the best ships in the game.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Dave Stark
3695
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:13:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:I'd like to get three assembled hulks in an orca but even without that, it's still one of the best ships in the game.
i think, ideally i'd like to see the hulk reduced t 150k m3, the skiff increased to 150k m3, and the ship bay increased by 50k, then it can carry 3 of any exhumer rather than the odd arrangement we have now. |
sennert
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
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Posted - 2013.09.18 20:58:00 -
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Not everyone can just go out and buy a freighter and of course such changes would cause a loss of business for black frog. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.09.19 05:42:00 -
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sennert wrote:Not everyone can just go out and buy a freighter and of course such changes would cause a loss of business for black frog.
yes they can, if they can afford an orca they've basically got enough cash for a freighter. a freighter costs what, 2 plex and a bit of loose change from the back of the sofa? |
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