the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?

#1 ... Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

All these new industial ship configurations, still nothing for the Orca.

Must I say it again, The ore bay should be the size of a Capital ship that it is.

the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?

the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?

Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

And what's the orca get with ore hold, cargo bay and fleet hangar? I'm guessing > 68k m3.

I'll chime in.

#1 - The Orca's ore bay is only 50k versus a Mackinaw's 35. And an Orca is 68 times larger than a Mackinaw by volume. Yes, I know you can outfit the orca for additional cargo, but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships? Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.

I'll chime in.

#1 - The Orca's ore bay is only 50k versus a Mackinaw's 35. And an Orca is 68 times larger than a Mackinaw by volume. Yes, I know you can outfit the orca for additional cargo, but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships? Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.

If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).

If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).

ore bays aren't open to the fleet, afaik. generally it's up to the rorq pilot to drag it from the fleet hangar to the ore bay.

not like the rorq pilot has much else to do other than run compression jobs...

Except he can't fit a full Mackinaw worth into his bay.

but if your mining in a mack its easier to dock or go to POS and dump the ore you really dont need the orca for hauling since Macks are meant to do it themselves

The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).

Outside of boosting in high sec the Orca was rendered useless with the new Industrials just released.

U so fu-nny.

Which Industrial can carry 90,000+ m3 of product ? (ore excluded)

I'll chime in.

#1 - The Orca's ore bay is only 50k versus a Mackinaw's 35. And an Orca is 68 times larger than a Mackinaw by volume. Yes, I know you can outfit the orca for additional cargo, but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships? Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.

I'll chime in.

#1 - but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships?

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.

my point exactly, it would be nice to hear from the Devs on this

1) Each of my Macks dumps the contents from mining into the Orca exactly twice to fill it. It does indeed support a 2 person mining fleet, and quite nicely thank you.

2) 50K is not enough to carry another assembled mining ship. Sorry.

A two person mining fleet supported by an Orca is a waste of a pilot. You'll mine more material with a third Mack instead.

Except he can't fit a full Mackinaw worth into his bay.

Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3.

Orca is used for hisec mining, so why not using a freighter for ore conveying ? Orca is as slow and can't boost mining op while warping/docked.

and the orca can get a total capacity of around 92k from 1 bay alone. also, a bay that can hold anything.

next irrelevant argument?

It takes 38+ Miasmos (265,000 M3) to match the size of one Orca's volume (10,250,000). So those 38 Miasmos can carry 2,584,000 m3 of cargo, compared to an Orca's ability to carry maybe 200k if they completely gimp the tank?

I'm not sure why you keep saying that updating the ore bay isn't necessary. Eve's evolved, and this is just one little detail that needs to be reconsidered to reflect the new reality of industrial craft changes.

My idea for the Orca is not to nerf or buff it in any way. Rather increase its flexibility. How I suggest to do that is by industrial reconfiguration. As it stands there's roughly 92000 m3 of cargo space 40000 for ore, 50000 for corp, and 400000 m3 ship hanger space. With industrial reconfiguration the pilot would be able to adjust those hangers to fit the mission. This would also allow the Orca a larger roll in hauling anything from fitted ships to hauling ore out of belts.

Yes buy a freighter but what fills the role tell you can either afford or train for it? There's a big hole as far as m3 of hanger space concerned.

This is the root of the issue, and has been covered many many times in the past 3+ years I've been playing. There is a thread somewhere in Features and Ideas about it and CCP is quite aware of it.

Something in-between an Orca and the Freighter line would indeed be great as long as it's for packaged cargo and ore, but the Orca is just fine for what it was designed to do.

I'd like to get three assembled hulks in an orca but even without that, it's still one of the best ships in the game.

Not everyone can just go out and buy a freighter and of course such changes would cause a loss of business for black frog.