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Oskie
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Posted - 2006.01.12 05:26:00 -
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So, I'm finally scraping enough money together to get out of my incursus and into a cruiser. I have been runing 2/10 deadspace complexes and like that approach much better than missions.
My current hope is to run a rail thorax, and use a kiting techinque to take on 3/10 complexes (and maybe poke my head into 4/10's), but i'm not sure what a good setup would be. Chances are i'll be in it for a while as I'll likely be finishing up my adv. learnings after I get established in a cruiser. Any suggestions?
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Yttrium Saldi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 08:26:00 -
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If you can use Medium guns and all you want to do is kite at max range
5x 250mm rail
ab, cap recharger x2
Armor repairer, RCU's to fit, tracking enhancer/Mag stabs to fill out
Should work pretty well with iron ammo
but you'll want at least 1 mag stab to have any kind of decent damage
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.12 09:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Oskie
So, I'm finally scraping enough money together to get out of my incursus and into a cruiser. I have been runing 2/10 deadspace complexes and like that approach much better than missions.
My current hope is to run a rail thorax, and use a kiting techinque to take on 3/10 complexes (and maybe poke my head into 4/10's), but i'm not sure what a good setup would be. Chances are i'll be in it for a while as I'll likely be finishing up my adv. learnings after I get established in a cruiser. Any suggestions?
-Oskie
I got news for you, I do 3/10 complexes in my merlin (frigate) no problem and I barely started the game with 450k sp
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Lill yooz1e
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Posted - 2006.01.12 10:08:00 -
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I have a question: what u mean with like 3/10 and so?
And god.. you guys have much skill points before getting a cruiser, I have less then 300k skill points (I'll been having the character for like 9days)and im riding a Cruiser (Vexor).. but now im training up drone skills to high level and some others skills. Will be using the cruiser for a while now to get more and higher skills before getting myself a BS (Dominix).
Im using 3x cap rechargers, one medium armor rep and some armor stuff getting some more resistance. and focusing on gunnery right now, but will gett some med hybrid turrent
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Segmentor
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:01:00 -
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Im currently using this setup, works pretty good when you dont have that much SP.
Highs:
4x Small 150 Carbidge rails with AM/Thorium.
1x Med NOS
Mids:
1x 10mn MWD/10mn AB II for deadspace
1x Langour Web
1x Cap Recharger/Scrambler
Lows:
1x Small Armor Rep II
3x Passive Armor Hardeners (those depend on the rat type)
1x 1600mm Crystalline Carbonide plate
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Sacred Badger
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:07:00 -
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I'd be amazed if you can do a 4/10 complex with your skills.
The 4/10 Serpantis one has about 10 cruisers and 15 frigates in the first stage...
and about the same + a 1.5mil Battleship in the second stage...
Just a friendly warning :D
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:12:00 -
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I'd go for a Vexor instead - it is kinder to players who are light on skills.
The trouble with running missions/complexes in a long-range rail Thorax is this;
You won't have enough gunnery skills to inflict much damage from a distance, and then when things get close, you won't have enough skills to track the targets in your medium rails. Its a recipe for disaster.
The Vexor has a nice drone bonus - take advantage of that. Use your 4 railguns for distance, and your extra-powerful drones for close range. Its a great first cruiser. Buy a Thorax later.
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Nyteshayde
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Posted - 2006.01.12 18:26:00 -
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I like to run a serp 4/10 in a merlin. Can't take the 2.5 mil BS overseer, but with a little care I can take everything else. You've gotta be careful and play it smart though. I've seen BCs go down real quick when played wrong, and I once saw a Deimos get whacked due to pilot error.
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Gni'ng
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Gni''ng on 12/01/2006 20:04:59
Originally by: Butter Dog
I'd go for a Vexor instead - it is kinder to players who are light on skills.
The trouble with running missions/complexes in a long-range rail Thorax is this;
You won't have enough gunnery skills to inflict much damage from a distance, and then when things get close, you won't have enough skills to track the targets in your medium rails. Its a recipe for disaster.
The Vexor has a nice drone bonus - take advantage of that. Use your 4 railguns for distance, and your extra-powerful drones for close range. Its a great first cruiser. Buy a Thorax later.
At least in 2/10's I have simply been able to outrun everything. With my nav and ab skills I should be able to keep at ~500m/s in my thorax, which is enough to dictate range vs everything i've fought so far. (I guess half of my question is whether or not that's enough to dictate range vs the 3/10 complexes)
Thanks all
-Oskie (grr, posted on an alt)
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:21:00 -
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Fisher Price makes a great starter cruiser... The 'My First Cruiser'... It is red and yellow and has big buttons and training wheels.
All jokes aside, either cruisers will be good moneymakers for you at this point, but I'd pick the one you can easily afford to lose. As far as doing 4/10's, Im guessing you'll need decent gunnery skills to make good use of that rax. I'd say train drones up, the way things are now, it will always be useful.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:24:00 -
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GL on all the extra gunnery skills. Things like Trajectory analysis and Motion prediction become very necessary when taking ships to their theoretical ratting maximums.
Dont forget the capacitor skills, those are drop dead neccessary when fighting with a thorax.
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Derran
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Posted - 2006.01.12 20:38:00 -
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I'd recommend a Vexor to anyone who was pushing into Gallente cruisers. Train your drone and armor hardening skills up like me and you can solo those dual 800k battleship spawns in 0.0 space. The dual 950k spawns give me more trouble.
Of course, drone interfacing 5 helps alot.:)
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Grifter Treysik
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Posted - 2006.01.12 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lill yooz1e
I have a question: what u mean with like 3/10 and so?
And god.. you guys have much skill points before getting a cruiser, I have less then 300k skill points (I'll been having the character for like 9days)and im riding a Cruiser (Vexor).. but now im training up drone skills to high level and some others skills. Will be using the cruiser for a while now to get more and higher skills before getting myself a BS (Dominix).
Im using 3x cap rechargers, one medium armor rep and some armor stuff getting some more resistance. and focusing on gunnery right now, but will gett some med hybrid turrent
People might learn other things, before jumping into a Cruiser. I fly a Merlin and Kestrel until 900k SP. Sure, I coulda had a cruiser sooner, but I chose not to.
It's all personal choice and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Tsio
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:10:00 -
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I'm pretty confused about why a vexor would be better than thorax.
Let's compare who has higher stats.
Thorax has 145 more powergrid.
Thorax has an extra low slot.
Thorax has an extra turret hardpoint.
Thorax has 30 more cpu.
Thorax has 280 more shields.
Thorax has 125 more armor.
Thorax has 10/m/s more max velocity.
Thorax has 100 more capacitor.
Thorax has 2 more km to max targeting range.
Thorax can lock 1 more target.
Thorax has stronger sensors.
Thorax has a smaller signature radius.
Thorax has a higher scan resolution.
Vexor has 25 m3 more drone space.
Vexor has 215 more cargo space.
For ship bonuses the thorax has slightly better MWD usage while the vexor has slightly better drone usage.
Thorax blows the Vexor out of the water. Or maybe I'm missing something, still on trial account and very new. The main reason to buy a Vexor I think is it is considerably cheaper than the Thorax.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:18:00 -
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Drones are much easier to use with low skills, thus you can inflict more damage with pretty much the same tank.
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CardboardSword42
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:22:00 -
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Yep you are missing something: the skill it takes to fly a thorax effectively versus a vexor.
A vexor uses drones as its main damage dealers, and the skills to use drones effectively are much easier to train than it will be to train to use medium rails effectively. The thorax will have problems hitting the NPC frigates without some decent rail skills.
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Tsio
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:32:00 -
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The Thorax can still pack 5 medium drones or 10 light drones. More than capable of dealing with NPC frigates.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 17/01/2006 03:54:09
Originally by: Tsio
The Thorax can still pack 5 medium drones or 10 light drones. More than capable of dealing with NPC frigates.
Look at it this way:
drones
* Vexor can use 5 drones with a 50% damage bonus with max skills, or the damage of 7.5 medium drones. With gallente cruiser 3, that's the damage of 6.5 medium drones and with gallente cruiser 4, that's the damage of 7 drones.
* Thorax can use 5 drones with the damage of 5 drones whatever cruiser rank.
turrets
* Vexor can use 4 turrets, Thorax can use 5 turrets. both have a similar damage bonus.
More fittings (powergrid and cpu) might allow you to fit better turrets to the thorax, though that's case-by-case, depending on skills and the rest of the fittings.
No matter the skills, thorax will always only do 25% more turret damage than Vexor, but with level 3 cruiser skill, the vexor will do 30% more drone damage than the thorax. With level 4 cruiser skill, that's 40%. So, depending on the turrets and drones used, depending on drones and turret skills, depending on the range (as drones and turrets have different range constraints) the vexor could outdamage the thorax.
So, to keep it simple, the thorax is not in every way and in every situation better than the vexor, it really depends on a lot of factors. The drone damage bonus is not particularly weak (in fact it's a very good bonus), and drones and turrets have different strengths and weaknesses in different circumstances, making the thorax and the vexor good cruisers in differents circumstances.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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