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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:38:00 -
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Imho some tech2 items taht are so tightly monopolized like hacs and tech 2 cap rechargers are unrealisitc and bad .
ITs ok for a time for such monopoly to reign but then is counterproductive in the game and unrealistic,
In rl if such monopoly existed others would also research the object of monopoly or try to spy it and sooner or later somebody would break it.( maybe not best idea but nuclear wepaons for example)
In eve we got no such possibilites , we get the bpos from gods of Eve and its only way to obtain it.
Imho after some time of such monopolies CCP really should seed some more bpos or bpcs at least.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:39:00 -
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Repeat after me
There is no tech2 monopoly.
There are no tech2 price cartels.
Then, accept that it is demand that makes the price, empowered by a lack of supply. Neither can be attributed to the producer, only to game balance issues.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:41:00 -
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Really ??
So you tell me the hacs ( ishtar for example) are produced by more then 20 manufacturers?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Rod Blaine
Repeat after me
There is no tech2 monopoly.
There are no tech2 price cartels.
Then, accept that it is demand that makes the price, empowered by a lack of supply. Neither can be attributed to the producer, only to game balance issues.
i would agree with you on HACs, but not on cap2s/cloaks (and maybe BCU2s, gotta see how that pans out)
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
Really ??
So you tell me the hacs ( ishtar for example) are produced by more then 20 manufacturers?
By definition, if they are produced by more than 1 manufacturer it isn't a monopoly.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:43:00 -
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CCP, introduce a new use for the "hacking" skill
Use locator agents to find ppl with a certain BPO. Cost very high.
Fly to the station, hack the lab slots, chances depending on lvl.
Success = BPC of BPO.
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Earthan
Really ??
So you tell me the hacs ( ishtar for example) are produced by more then 20 manufacturers?
By definition, if they are produced by more than 1 manufacturer it isn't a monopoly.
Ok but you uknow what i mean , 2 manufacturers can still agree easily on prices and its not really ocmpetition or free market.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
There are no tech2 price cartels.
Let me be the first to call "bull****" on that. You're welcome.
If Cap Recharger II isn't controlled by a price cartel, then I'm Twinky the Wonder Bear.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:44:00 -
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There are 3 cartels I know of.
One which i won't name, since its agreement is a price floor which has proven entirely reasonable compared to similar items.
Cap II / Cloaks? Eww cartel!
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:45:00 -
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If you think the price of something is too high, don't buy it.
Problem solved.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:47:00 -
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rodj i know it and i dont use tech 2 caps rechargers anymore euctetic is good enough for me , i use them anyway only for npcing , cap injectors win in pvp.
But its not solution .Those poeple who controls the monoply make insane insane isk because of a sick unrealitic siituation.And again richer get richer.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
Ok but you uknow what i mean , 2 manufacturers can still agree easily on prices and its not really ocmpetition or free market.
Yeah, it's called a cartel and involves price fixing and other buyer-hostile tricks. There is a reason this is illegal in most countries in the real world. Unregulated capitalism leads to stuff like this, that's why we have governments stepping in to curb the worst excesses. Not in EVE, though.
Also, due to the fact that the number of BPOs is fixed, there is no way to fight this until one of the existing BPOs leaves the game and/or more are seeded.
Oh sure, "don't buy". But that's not exactly a solution.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
rodj i know it and i dont use tech 2 caps rechargers anymore euctetic is good enough for me , i use them anyway only for npcing , cap injectors win in pvp.
But its not solution .Those poeple who controls the monoply make insane insane isk because of a sick unrealitic siituation.And again richer get richer.
Cap II prices are what they are because of resellers.
The price will always be what the market can sustain - if the manufacturers price below that level then all the product will be bought and resold at the market sustainable price.
Obvious really.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.12 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you think the price of something is too high, don't buy it.
Problem solved.
Feasable for Cap II's.
Cloaks? Well, what ELSE can I use as a substitute?
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Mimio
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
By definition, if they are produced by more than 1 manufacturer it isn't a monopoly.
Wrong answer. Monopoly is not binary value.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:18:00 -
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On the subject of monopolies, why is there only one Monopolies and Mergers Commission?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you think the price of something is too high, don't buy it.
Problem solved.
Feasable for Cap II's.
Cloaks? Well, what ELSE can I use as a substitute?
Aren't prototype cloaks T1?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:19:00 -
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Now who's being picky eh Avon? :)
Cap II is monopolised to hell and back, and it still is because silly people pay silly prices. Im all for not buying stuff, but id like cheaper HAC's so I could actually afford one, and more producers = more competition = cheaper HAC's.
I mean, its alright for you rich buggers, but us normal players wouldnt mind some juicy toys every now and then eh?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:20:00 -
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...Proto cloaks ain't the problem
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
...Proto cloaks ain't the problem
No, they're the solution.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Khatred
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:29:00 -
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I would like to use this opportunity to ask the manufacturers of the following ships to help me form a cartel:
Prowler
Mastodon
Prorator
Impel
Viator
Crane
Bustard
Purifier
Nemesis
Hound
Raptor
Ares
Jaguar
Hawk
Anathema
Cheetah
Stiletto
Malediction
Vengeance
Basilisk
Guardian
Oneiros
Scimitar
Thank you
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
I would like to use this opportunity to ask the manufacturers of the following ships to help me form a cartel:
Prowler
Mastodon
Prorator
Impel
Viator
Crane
Bustard
Purifier
Nemesis
Hound
Raptor
Ares
Jaguar
Hawk
Anathema
Cheetah
Stiletto
Malediction
Vengeance
Basilisk
Guardian
Oneiros
Scimitar
Thank you
*looks at her purse*
You guys want to grief me. 
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:32:00 -
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Its looking like a decent proportion of the 20 or so of each HAC BPO's are tied up by alliances for partial or wholey internal markets. This takes away from the open market both in terms of available units and to an extent, buyers.
Rather than increasing the number of BPOs perhaps decrease the building time on the tech II? I can see the use of the faster arrays in POS manufacture aiding this . . .if they work properly. 
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Maya Rkell
...Proto cloaks ain't the problem
No, they're the solution.
Snort. Yea, covert with one will get SO far.
Bomber too. Really.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Maya Rkell
...Proto cloaks ain't the problem
No, they're the solution.
Snort. Yea, covert with one will get SO far.
Bomber too. Really.
I quite like putting Dread Gurista's cloaks on my bombers.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mimio
Originally by: Avon
Cap II prices are what they are because of resellers.
I doubt.
Quote:
The price will always be what the market can sustain - if the manufacturers price below that level then all the product will be bought and resold at the market sustainable price.
Wrong. It is true for free market with free access both side to buying and to producing. In this case we have free acces to nuying, but no free access to produce and cartel agreement between producers. Btw, in normal countries cartel agreement is usual crime.
You can doubt it as much as you like.
I made a mint buying at 8 and selling at 12.
If people are willing to pay 12 then I am happy to resell anything under that price.
The manufactures are fully aware of this, and they would rather make the extra 4 mil themselves than to let me stick it in my wallet.
When demand drops then prices will drop.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Rod Blaine
There are no tech2 price cartels.
Let me be the first to call "bull****" on that. You're welcome.
If Cap Recharger II isn't controlled by a price cartel, then I'm Twinky the Wonder Bear.
Hi Twinky.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:51:00 -
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There IS a solution.....
Introduce reverse engineering. You aquire an object, and research it for x amount of time until at the end your research team come up with a blueprint!!
Yes/No?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Rare faction modules are an option, sure. But their price is ALSO affected by the higher cartel cloak prices.
Not if you get your own.
You even get loads of ISK for trying.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.12 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Shaun
There IS a solution.....
Introduce reverse engineering. You aquire an object, and research it for x amount of time until at the end your research team come up with a blueprint!!
Yes/No?
All of this characters skills and attributes were originally optimised for Reverse Engineering, because back in the beta CCP promised it at release.
Still waiting.
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