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Lo3d3R	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:39:00 - [121] pirates entertain people, no more pirates sure your hauler get threw everytime safe and sound, no more excitement no more adrenaline no more victory feeling when you kill the said pirate or escape from its attack, no more chasing around, becarefull what you wish for...
Ukucia	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:47:00 - [122] Originally by: Amaii Templ Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we? Piracy isen't about killing and fragging and popping pods. Those things are unprofitable - especially popping pods. Those are the activity of the griefer. Piracy is about making money. While the rest of the rant is a tad extreme, I gotta agree with this point. As soon as you shoot the pod, you're no longer a pirate.
Zirator	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:00:00 - [123] First of all I would like to say that I'm happy that there are pirates in this game. Makes the game fun and exciting in my opinion. But I read people here complaining about the fact that the eye for an eye system is in place now after RMR. And that they worry about not being able to haul their stuff into Empire anymore because they might get ganked by a victim of them. Well gues what welcome in the world of the non-pirates. We constantly run the risk of getting ganked in low sec. And now the pirate is facing the same danger. Oh noes If your complaining that you can't move into high sec anymore you aren't even allowed to call yourself a pirate. At least true outlaws pirate and pod people but they can at least handle the consequences. People who like to pirate but keep their sec rating up by hunting beltrats are the true griefers here cause they want to PK people but can't handle the downside of it. Sounds to me that we've spotted a new group of carebears.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:35:00 - [124] Being -5 or more has always been extremely difficult and now its even more so.Thats why u c a lot of people in the game who have tried pirating and gone to -5 or more but have now got their ss back up again.TBH even myself without a carebear alt who can travel anywhere in EVE would be unable to continue in the piracy career. There r only a very few hardcore pvpers/pirates who can continue to play with any enjoyment while more than -5.Unfortunately this is what CCP wants and they r getting it.Like i posted before the consequences of this remain to be seen but have no doubt about it its happening and its here right now. "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
dailyhazard	Posted - 2006.01.14 11:17:00 - [125] well, there arent many "real" pirates left i know, the people that try to fight etc. Been hunting pirates yesterday everyone seemed to have at least 3 stabs sucked. But it seems that its more new players that are becoming pirates, its probably that some forms of piracy require little skills, like taking on something like a 1 month old cruiser with a bad fitting. Ofc i was -10 for a while but it gets boring, so im not surprised some of the vets have decided to get there sec status up and mess around in empire again. ------------------------------------------------ need a sig tbfh
Daac Iomen	Posted - 2006.01.14 11:35:00 - [126] They should let the victim choose whether they want kill rights, or the attacker gets a security hit. It's unrealistic to say that the cops encourage vigilantism, but if CCP wants to include it so badly then they should allow the victims who have no intention to hunt down their attacker to "press charges" with the security hit...OR...If the victim is so ****ed that they want to hunt the guy down, then they get that chance to have the police "turn a blind eye" to the whole incident, including the reprisal. Essentially, to the police, the attack never happened so there is no security hit in that case.
Asane	Posted - 2006.01.14 12:19:00 - [127] Edited by: Asane on 14/01/2006 12:20:33 You know, I started playing this game because I wanted to ***** around the market and make big bucks on others effort. And that's what I do. However I quit the other games where I could do the same because of the promise of doing it in a world where people could do what they wanted, and if done right, could get away with it too... I'm not a pirate. I don't like pirates. And I sure as hell want to see them dead! BUT if CCP takes care of the pirates, not only do they kill the pirate profession.. They also kill bounty hunters and bodyguards. And umm.. ya.. what are the current issues?
eLLioTT wave	Posted - 2006.01.14 13:27:00 - [128] no
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2006.01.14 13:36:00 - [129] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 01:38:52 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 01:38:09 Like the topic says this situation is soon to come about in EVE csuse of the recent nerfs to piracy which have resulted in a number of corps and well known pirates either changign their ways or becoming mostly inactive. Although it is ofc possible that new players will rise to replace them given the extreme hardship now faced by a career pirate it seems unlikely many will succeed. So the question for all the pirate hunters and pvp lovers out there is - if there is no easy pirate targets at -10 who can be hunted and killed without consequence will u still play eve? yes pirates have little or no impact on me, but maybe its because i live in 0.0.
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.01.14 13:42:00 - [130] Edited by: Plutoinum on 14/01/2006 13:44:23 Originally by: Amaii Templ @#^@ you! My money's as green as yours (assuming your money, like mine, is USD.) I'm paying for MY fun, not your fun. When you pay for my account, then you can gank me. The standard non-argument. EVE is known for non-consensual pvp and pirating since the beginning. You knew that and if not, then it's your fault. You decided to subscribe ! Your subscription gives you the right to play the game, not to to demand another game like that another player never kills you, if you don't want it. I really hate the 'I decided to pay, now make it carebear !' argument.

Zell	Posted - 2006.01.14 13:51:00 - [131] "Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve." "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."
Thomas Torquemada	Posted - 2006.01.14 14:01:00 - [132] Edited by: Thomas Torquemada on 14/01/2006 14:03:00 Originally by: Iorya Dragon Well i got ganked a lot of time by lamer pirates that dont know to real pvp alone, but i got mad at that time. Pirates got to exists, scammers, real pvpers, the more diversity and danger, more intersting the game it is. If u need to be safe a while, to train skills, and prepare stay in empire for a while. YOu gota understand the role of every, profesion, faction in the game, and with what contributes to the game, even if u ar e a 100% carebear. In my experience, the type of pirate you refer to arent lame scared to fight for real types, personally when i go looking for a fight on my own, a nice uip close and personal fight, i find i always tackle more numbers than me, and they never attack me first, they always, and i do mean always, want me to fire first so they get help from sentry guns. Until people like that grow a brass set, ill continue to snipe people to bits at gates/stations, it has nothing to do with griefing or being a git, its simply all thats left to do to make some cash and get some kills, unless i want to twiddle my thumbs in a station all day. And yer, im -10. UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Zyper	Posted - 2006.01.14 14:18:00 - [133] Ransom them = no kill rights on you :D
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.14 14:45:00 - [134] Originally by: Zyper Ransom them = no kill rights on you :D Instant local and the nerfing of damage mod stacking has meant that ransoming ships became almost impossible.Anyone who knows why damagemod stacking penalty made it harder to ransom wins a btw:P The best pirates are also the most well known and infamous through the EVE galaxy.In my case it is rare whne i enter local that someone does not speak to me within 30 seconds "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Kira Natel	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:16:00 - [135] I play the game to enjoy myself, not to worry about whether some other player is a pirate or not. I think most people would continue to play but probably the Beta and non-adaptable types would move on. I'm not promoting that there be no piracy but it really wouldn't matter to me either way.
Abvrasious	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:46:00 - [136] Probably I would end my account. Its weird, because I don't WANT to get killed by that nasty Pirate in his nasty Raven, but it would be no fine low-sec mining without any risk of someone killing me before I blink. Got to have Pirates, since in the future, Abvra will be a Pirate Hunter, and I won't have a career without Pirates. ------------- http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/3186/eveforumsignature9di.jpg Signature Image too large - please lower filesize to 24,000 bytes or less - Teblin
Dakath	Posted - 2006.01.14 17:02:00 - [137] Ginger, so sorry for going off-topic. Back on topic. Yes, I would still play if there were no pirates/griefers. Pirates/Griefers are an annoyance at best. They contribute nothing to my gameing experience. NPC pirates/greifers are better than player pirates/greifers in that they don't brag about their kills and don't smaktalk. LAG!Ö
Amaii Templ	Posted - 2006.01.14 17:48:00 - [138] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 14/01/2006 13:44:23 Originally by: Amaii Templ @#^@ you! My money's as green as yours (assuming your money, like mine, is USD.) I'm paying for MY fun, not your fun. When you pay for my account, then you can gank me. The standard non-argument. EVE is known for non-consensual pvp and pirating since the beginning. You knew that and if not, then it's your fault. You decided to subscribe ! Your subscription gives you the right to play the game, not to to demand another game like that another player never kills you, if you don't want it. I really hate the 'I decided to pay, now make it carebear !' argument. First rule of sales, mate. "The customer is always right." I imagine if CCP tallied up the number of people who would quit if they removed the threat of instaganking in lowsec, the number of people who woulden't care, and the number of people who want a space MMO like EvE but are too afraid/smart to throw their money at CCP because they don't want to wind up frustrated and bored, they'd be doing themselves a massive financial favor to give the jolly rodgers a jolly up the rodger. Then maybe they could afford some truely fly servers. Simply put, I'm not playing EvE because it's what I want. I'm playing EvE because it's the most similar to what I want. There's a difference. I don't want to randomly loose my shiny new ship to some jerk who can't possibly get anything from it except the purile thrill of ruining my day. We call those people "Griefers", plain and simple. If I risk my ass against real pirates (hint: Real pirates are guys like Sanshas and Guristas and others who act like them,) and get wasted, that's one thing. If I get into a corp war and get my aft kicked, that's one thing. If I'm just trying to travel from point A to point B, and die for no reason, that's another thing, and what it's called is "griefing".
Megadon	Posted - 2006.01.14 17:49:00 - [139] Originally by: Ginger Magician U misunderstand the premise of my thread.I have never said that there will be no more PVP especially in 0.0 which is totally unaffected by these changes.And of course empire wars will continue.What we are discussing in piracy in 0.1 to 0.4 space.That is what has changed and is changing right now on TQ. If there r no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 will u still play EVE - that is the question or conversely assuming 0.1 to 0.4 has no pirates is this really a change for the better in the running of EVE - discuss Ginger, Why won't there be pirates in 0.1 - 0.4 space? It's not my profession so I'm not up to speed on exactly how kill rights effect this but could you share your viewpoint on this? I'm not getting it. thanks. "The Battleships is and should be a solo pwnmobile." - Oveur
Cerridwehn Odessa	Posted - 2006.01.14 17:51:00 - [140] Pirates are a small percentage of the population. Doesnt matter if they are here or not. And yes, there is a difference between a pirate corp and a corp that you are just hostile with. Not everyone that's -10 to you is a "pirate"

Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.14 18:28:00 - [141] Originally by: Megadon Originally by: Ginger Magician U misunderstand the premise of my thread.I have never said that there will be no more PVP especially in 0.0 which is totally unaffected by these changes.And of course empire wars will continue.What we are discussing in piracy in 0.1 to 0.4 space.That is what has changed and is changing right now on TQ. If there r no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 will u still play EVE - that is the question or conversely assuming 0.1 to 0.4 has no pirates is this really a change for the better in the running of EVE - discuss Ginger, Why won't there be pirates in 0.1 - 0.4 space? It's not my profession so I'm not up to speed on exactly how kill rights effect this but could you share your viewpoint on this? I'm not getting it. thanks. There has been massive nerfs to piracy for some time now and RMR introdued the biggest ever nerfs to piracy seen in the game since its inception.If your are not a pirate u woulndt really understand the technicalities of it but u can rest assured that this is the case and the fall in pirate numbers and activity since rmr confirms it anyway. This iussue affects all players of EVE even carebears.If no ships r destroyed in low empire space by players then demand for ships is going to fall drastically and from that there is fall in demand for tech 2 equipment pos materials etc etc - its all one long chain.Unfortunately CCP has listened to all the whiners and declared amongst themselves that piracy is bad for the game and taken the decesion to make empire piracy so difficult and unprofitable that basically the profession is in danger of dying out. "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Megadon	Posted - 2006.01.14 18:43:00 - [142] Edited by: Megadon on 14/01/2006 18:45:04 Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Megadon Originally by: Ginger Magician U misunderstand the premise of my thread.I have never said that there will be no more PVP especially in 0.0 which is totally unaffected by these changes.And of course empire wars will continue.What we are discussing in piracy in 0.1 to 0.4 space.That is what has changed and is changing right now on TQ. If there r no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 will u still play EVE - that is the question or conversely assuming 0.1 to 0.4 has no pirates is this really a change for the better in the running of EVE - discuss Ginger, Why won't there be pirates in 0.1 - 0.4 space? It's not my profession so I'm not up to speed on exactly how kill rights effect this but could you share your viewpoint on this? I'm not getting it. thanks. There has been massive nerfs to piracy for some time now and RMR introdued the biggest ever nerfs to piracy seen in the game since its inception.If your are not a pirate u woulndt really understand the technicalities of it but u can rest assured that this is the case and the fall in pirate numbers and activity since rmr confirms it anyway. This iussue affects all players of EVE even carebears.If no ships r destroyed in low empire space by players then demand for ships is going to fall drastically and from that there is fall in demand for tech 2 equipment pos materials etc etc - its all one long chain.Unfortunately CCP has listened to all the whiners and declared amongst themselves that piracy is bad for the game and taken the decesion to make empire piracy so difficult and unprofitable that basically the profession is in danger of dying out. Well I would hope that there are always pirates in low sec empire space. I mean I thought that was the whole point of low sec empire space, that there were some highways within empire that would be more risky, more dangerous than others. If pirates aren't there, whats the point? I know we had the mod stacking nerf which hurt alpha strike so that kinda put a damper on sniping a bit. We've got the eye for an eye thing now, which changes things quite a bit. We also have the ability for POS's in low sec space which really changes things. I think the last hope for pirates is the local channel. Hopefully, they won't do away with that. edit: i guess this really depends on how you use it though... hmmmm I think what we may end up seeing then is maybe actually MORE gank squads instead of solo guys like yourself. I'm not really sure if this is a GOOD thing. POS's in low sec space could really change the game dynamic in ways that aren't so good. I guess we'll see... I do however think that solo pirates are a good thing in the game even though I really don't like you. hehe "The Battleships is and should be a solo pwnmobile." - Oveur
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.01.14 18:49:00 - [143] Quote: .If your are not a pirate u woulndt really understand the technicalities of it but u can rest assured that this is the case and the fall in pirate numbers and activity since rmr confirms it anyway try explainig..i usualy find its a cop out for those with no decent argument to come up with the "u wont understand" line. i could come on the forums and say "CCP should give me an industructible ship and me only..but you wont understand the reasoning..so i wont explain it, but you can rest assured it is vital for the game that i recive this ship". so try explaining why...and we will make our own mind up if we can understand or not. i for one cant see the big deal, as most professional pirates will be -5 or less so who cares if a caerbare can kill you in high sec..cause concord will do it first...but please list yuor reasoning..and people will see if they agree or not. _____ "When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept
Wanoah	Posted - 2006.01.14 19:08:00 - [144] I have never pirated, but I see it as an important part of the game. Some of Eve's best corps and most entertaining characters have been pirates. A lot of those people have moved on to other things or have quit the game entirely now. Trouble is, there have been a succession of changes over many months that have made it hard to be a successful pirate. Piracy has pretty much been reduced to the lamest common denominator. Sniping in a battleship, fitted with WCS, aligned to warp, and running as soon as anything more threatening than an indy shows up in the system. It's not exactly the pinnacle of gameplay, is it? What I want to see is pirates that are able to sit at a gate and attack in a variety of ships like the NPC rats are able to. They should be able to ransom people at the gate. Equally, people should be able to fight them at the gate. Thus, we can have some fun PvP stuff at the gates. Sentries stop any of this happening. Sentries mean battleships only and sniping. Sentries mean that the anti-pirate people have to bring a sledgehammer to ***** a nut with tacklers and covert ops etc. Sentries mean that anti-pirate people cannot engage first unless the pirate is still flagged or is less than -5. Sentries mean that aggrieved victims struggle to get their revenge. Sentries make it too easy for instajumpng indies to travel without any scouts or escorts. Sentries steal our killmails. Sentries steal our fun. Sentries need to go. Barriers - An Eve Novel
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.14 19:45:00 - [145] I will try and outline some of the nerfs introduced in RMR and from before. Most pirates are highly skilled pvpers and prefer to work solo or in small groups. The increase in hps of ships and their increased tanking ability i.e reduction in cap booster charge size etc has meant that even highly skilled pirates are unable to solo battleship targets at gates apart from the odd noob fitted with medium mods. Secondly gank setups no longer work - it takes far longer to kill targets regardless of your setup as the old dps u had in cold war is no longer possible.Ships that take longer to kill have more time to escape and there is only so much time u have before a pirate must warp out - if under fire from sentries or your target will reach the gate. Sniping has been badly affected by the stack mod penalties and is now only successful in large groups.The severe penalties affecting remote sensor boosters mean that lock times have increased and hence more targets can escape. Eye for an eye while not affecting me or any pirate more than -5 has reduced the combat of those players who tend to keep around -2 or so so they can sort of part time pirate.Personally i have little sympathy for these part time pirates but now they can be killed by their victims in even 1.0 for up to a month afterwards means this option to part time piracy has obviously become a lot less attractive. Other nerfs which have come in in the last year include the smartbomb/pod nerf the 15 min timer and various nerfs related to gangs and the map. "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.01.14 19:48:00 - [146] As a pirate, I guess I would not be playing!
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2006.01.14 19:51:00 - [147] no __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.01.14 20:11:00 - [148] Quote: I will try and outline some of the nerfs introduced in RMR and from before. Most pirates are highly skilled pvpers and prefer to work solo or in small groups. not in all cases..but generaly a fair statment Quote: The increase in hps of ships and their increased tanking ability i.e reduction in cap booster charge size etc has meant that even highly skilled pirates are unable to solo battleship targets at gates apart from the odd noob fitted with medium mods. these changes were made for a variety of reasons: 1) to make combat last longer..therefore more enjoyable 2) to reduce the effectivness of solo gate sniping at 120KM (which in my opinion is not piracy but lazines) Quote: Secondly gank setups no longer work - it takes far longer to kill targets regardless of your setup as the old dps u had in cold war is no longer which for eve as a whole is a good thing..my advice to you..dont sit at a gate waiting for noobs..try searching blets (ive been both a caerbear who solo mined in 0.4 and ive had a pirate char who also hunted in belts..so i know from personaly expirience that it is possible to find targets it just takes a bit of work) Quote: possible.Ships that take longer to kill have more time to escape and there is only so much time u have before a pirate must warp out - if under fire from sentries or your target will reach the gate. work in a group..this is a multiplayer game you know. try doing some other form of piracy instead of sitting at a gate snipping..if people like snigg can do it no reason such a "legend" as you cant Quote: Sniping has been badly affected by the stack mod penalties and is now only successful in large groups.The severe penalties affecting remote sensor boosters mean that lock times have increased and hence more targets can escape. which was sort of the idea...the sniping culture was destroying eve as a whole. Quote: Eye for an eye while not affecting me or any pirate more than -5 has reduced the combat of those players who tend to keep around -2 or so so they can sort of part time pirate.Personally i have little sympathy for these part time pirates but now they can be killed by their victims in even 1.0 for up to a month afterwards means this option to part time piracy has obviously become a lot less attractive. OMG you mean pirates now have to be caerful in high sec like their targets do in low???? how disipicable. all the changes listed above improve the eve expirience for the majotrity of people..the only ones that it has a bad affect on are what some refer to as caerbear pirates who will sit at 120km shooting anything which poeses no threat and runs when in dangeor then come and whine like every other caerbear about things they dont like. to be honest this whole thread sounds like a twisted version of the atypical caerbaew whine. so ill give the typical "pker/griefer" responces 1)adapt or die 2) can i have ur stuff (NB any comment made with "" is sarcasm) _____ "When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept
dantes inferno	Posted - 2006.01.14 21:03:00 - [149] Quote: but still let gankers snipe. They gave long term consequences - which affect the pirates, but not the -10 alt-account gankers. thats going more into the relms of alt abuse rather than direct piracy nerfing..people using alts in this manner hits every aspect of eve not just piracy. i do agree that ccp is pandering to the bears a bit to much and piracy needs a bit of a buff..but i dont agree that the changes in RMR are that much of a disaster..its..as much as i dont like to say i...sentry guns at gates ( i feel that these guns are necessary to have a drastic difference between low sec and 0.0)..its the sentry guns which have created the gank mentality..but i feel now this mentality is here..removign sentry guns wont change it, but will only make it easier...so its to late to fix it that way..one good suggestion would be to make scramblers/webbers non aggression in low sec alone...enabling people to ransom at gates instead of ganking. _____ "When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.14 23:33:00 - [150] Inferno you r just a ******* alliance carebear.You know nothing about piracy or pvp. Your security status is 5.0 and u been in stain alliance for more than 1 year. Go PVE and keep out of threads on which u can offer no valid opinions. "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."



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