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Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.02.28 02:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/02/2006 01:33:16 Hilarious. Rebekah you're talking rubbish, to put it bluntly. Were you even in Doril that evening? The real chain of events was this. Your talking rubbish. You had 50 ships. We had 35. We were not going to suicidally make a stand at the gate that outgunned. But our fleet was hardly dispersed. We were just waiting for the moment to strike, had you not fled. And also, the "quarter" of your original fleet, outnumbered the gang we jumped in on you with, not to mention the Thanatos that had fighters attached. We were outgunned, outnumbered and we still jumped in and massacred you.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 03:08:00 - [92] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/02/2006 01:33:16 Hilarious. Rebekah you're talking rubbish, to put it bluntly. Were you even in Doril that evening? Haha - yep, I was one of the sniping BS's in Doril and I was one of the first frigs to decloak in KDF. Lets face it boyz - we saw you coming, gave you a scare in doril (lets see, you jump in warp to a safe then leave 60 seconds later) then we followed you home and spanked your unorganized butts. We got the cans and kill mails to prove it. Blow all the smoke you want - If you wanted a fight you should have stayed in doril - next time we hope you do!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 11:03:00 - [93] We do respect CC and enjoy engaging you guys in combat, but you didnt scare us at all in Doril. We were dissapointed that we could not engage properly, there much much dissapointment on our part that you would not engage our fleet of mostly T1 ships head-on. A group of 12 or so BS's sitting 120km does not a scary picture present, when we can simply warp off with zero losses, which we did. We would have placed a cov-ops on you and warped back, but you quickly warped away and deprived us of the pleasure. You were the ones doing the running, we were the ones trying to get a fight. We KNEW we were not going to get a fleet engagement out of you, so we headed back and it was our intention to regroup at a later time with a view to taking on a different pipe altogether. You certainly were not outnumbered at the gate in KDF, half the fleet wasnt even in the system and of the remaining half, 50% were docked. I respect you guys for coming down, but you need to keep things in perspective. Fact is, ISS and associated forces claimed far more kills than we took as losses over the weekend, and we are looking forward to more of the same :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 11:04:00 - [94] Originally by: Kristoffer And also, the "quarter" of your original fleet, outnumbered the gang we jumped in on you with, not to mention the Thanatos that had fighters attached. We were outgunned, outnumbered and we still jumped in and massacred you. You were not outnumbered at the gate at all. There were more in local, yes, but of those half were docked and of the remaining they were either neutrals or not part of the fleet (which had at that point split up anyway). If you want a real massacre, think back to what happened on Saturday :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:13:00 - [95] Originally by: Butter Dog A great big fairy tale... blah blah blah... trying desperately to hide the shame of it all. Help, help, help plz someone help us, LV, Battle angels, Penguins, someone! You really have no idea do you? You can fantasize all you like bud but in the end the days of the Megacorp beating on the small guy are over. You wanna push your weight around? fine! Bring it on.. bring all your friends too. If you wanna second helping of ass handing you know where to find us! Oh, and tell Mongo to bring another dread out, we could do with a laugh.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Butter dog See guys, we don't feel the need to brag on forums about our kills, even though you guys had your rear ends handed to you over the weekend. Better luck next time. I'm curious as to which fight this occurred in? It would take a pretty massive ass kicking to balance out our kill ratio on you guys. If you could be more specific as to exactly when this mass slaughter happened that would be helpful.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:32:00 - [97] Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer I'm curious as to which fight this occurred in? It would take a pretty massive ass kicking to balance out our kill ratio on you guys. If you could be more specific as to exactly when this mass slaughter happened that would be helpful. LOL Well done on your high kill ratio against an Industrial Alliance :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:33:00 - [98] Originally by: Rebekah You really have no idea do you? You can fantasize all you like bud but in the end the days of the Megacorp beating on the small guy are over. You wanna push your weight around? fine! Bring it on.. bring all your friends too. If you wanna second helping of ass handing you know where to find us! Oh, and tell Mongo to bring another dread out, we could do with a laugh. We prefer our carriers these days :) Yes, that was a plural :p ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:42:00 - [99] How about you answer the question at hand.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:47:00 - [100] Oh, and btw, any alliance that claims the number of systems you do in 0.0 isn't an industrial alliance, despite what you may want to believe. ISS exerts influence in 0.0 like any other alliance would, except that you do it with money, rather than guns. But money buys guns...aka Battle Angels/Battle Penguins/MC. Whether you shoot at us yourself or hire someone else to do it it pretty much ammounts to the same thing. Except your hired guns have more experience and are infinitely more organized and effective than your stock pilots are. Anyway, like I said, answer the question at hand. I'm curious about this supposed slaughter so if you could provide some more details that would be very kind of you.
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:55:00 - [101] I speak for myself and not for Mongo. All I see when he undocks in either one of his Dreads or Carriers ... Is you running .......tbh His task is to keep the station clear, and by all the moaning in local and on these boards he must be doing a good job. Now we can all talk about fair fight etc etc but lets be honest its not really going to happen. You send 20 and then complain because "the 1" has bigger ship than you. I would suggest you get enough firepower to finish the job and put all the forum *****ing in actions but looking at you past performances killing T1 frigates and haulers really isnt a "war winning" formula.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:00:00 - [102] Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer Oh, and btw, any alliance that claims the number of systems you do in 0.0 isn't an industrial alliance, despite what you may want to believe. ISS exerts influence in 0.0 like any other alliance would, except that you do it with money, rather than guns. But money buys guns...aka Battle Angels/Battle Penguins/MC. Whether you shoot at us yourself or hire someone else to do it it pretty much ammounts to the same thing. Except your hired guns have more experience and are infinitely more organized and effective than your stock pilots are. Anyway, like I said, answer the question at hand. I'm curious about this supposed slaughter so if you could provide some more details that would be very kind of you. Fine, a fleet of 15 were wiped out for 1 loss (I think it was Litom). Followed by a gang of 6 mixed ships. There followed a leisurely day of gate camping and eradicating random CC targets. The Eagle kill was particularly funny :) ISS is an industrial alliance, and we will not make aggressive claims or actions against anyone unless they directly attack us, and the interests of the many shareholders in the Marginis Outpost. We have repeatedly said we are open to an NAP. What more are we supposed to do? I personally believe that in the lack of this, and in light of your consistent hostility, its time to start more actively protecting our members until we can agree to the NAP which we hope we can work toward. :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:06:00 - [103] Originally by: Goodtime Girl All I see when he undocks in either one of his Dreads or Carriers ... Is you running .......tbh I would suggest you get enough firepower to finish the job and put all the forum *****ing in actions but looking at you past performances killing T1 frigates and haulers really isnt a "war winning" formula. The only reason we leave the sation when he's there is theres no point wasting ammo on him. If we start to take him down he will dock. He's always in docking range, and he knows as soon as he leaves docking range he will get killed. In fact the one time he ventured out past the station he lost his dread in 2 minutes. Anyways you guys are putting up more of a fight thats for sure. Hopefully you keep it up its good experience for your alliance and its good fun for us. Being able to defend yourselves without the need for hired guns gives you legitimacy in 0.0.. without it you have no future out here.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:15:00 - [104] Butter Dog = Bagdad Bob. You're a DOODY-HEAD!
semp	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:18:00 - [105] Originally by: Goodtime Girl I speak for myself and not for Mongo. All I see when he undocks in either one of his Dreads or Carriers ... Is you running .......tbh His task is to keep the station clear, and by all the moaning in local and on these boards he must be doing a good job. Now we can all talk about fair fight etc etc but lets be honest its not really going to happen. You send 20 and then complain because "the 1" has bigger ship than you. I would suggest you get enough firepower to finish the job and put all the forum *****ing in actions but looking at you past performances killing T1 frigates and haulers really isnt a "war winning" formula. Mongo has already lost one Dread to us, more to follow belive me.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Butter Dog Fact is, ISS and associated forces claimed far more kills than we took as losses over the weekend, and we are looking forward to more of the same :) Bagdad Bob speaks!!! You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:30:00 - [107] Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 28/02/2006 16:33:51 Quote: Mongo has already lost one Dread to us, more to follow belive me And I'm sure he "smiled" about it ..... no point having ships if you not prepared to fight with them. We all know that dreads are "very fragile" and can be jammed in "non-sieged mode" with a single frigate. And the only time I normally see him dock is when 20-30 Hacs / Battleships warp to the station ... IO would say thats kinda smart tbh. But if the idea is to keep the station clear, then his dreads clearly fill the role ... even when your screaming at him on TS because his gone AFK "walking his dogs". As for the rest of the system, then the multi carriers you know facing seem to be making KDF safer each day. As the ISS Military gets bigger you becoming less of a threat and more of a training exercise ....... Its already been mentioned, the ISS wants nothing more than peace but don't kick a sleeping dog and then complain when he turns round and bites you.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:34:00 - [108] I don't in all honesty think more Capital Ship losses are likely at the moment, to be fair. We've more capital ships than ever before and we are honing our tactics :) As Raid said, we are becoming more aggressively defensive, and this shift in focus is certainly needed if we are to reduce our reliance on mercenaries, as you rightly point out. New PvP experienced blood in the ISSN to control ISS gangs is a key part of that. We're helping the industrialists to help themselves, and its good fun. Of course, in an ideal world, we would no doubt prefer not to spend ISK on mercs to deal with hostiles such as CC. But such is life :) btw who is Bagdad Bob? ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:42:00 - [109] Originally by: Butter Dog btw who is Bagdad Bob? The Iraqi Propaganda Minister who said that they were slaughtering the Americans outside the gates of Baghdad. So basically you. We had 17 - 20 ships when we jumped into KDF. You had atleast 20 on that gate and 50 more in system / within a jump. Not to mention you had a carrier attaching fighters to that camp, I know because they killed me. (again, the ONLY battleship loss) You outnumbered us, outgunned us, and we still massacred you. And if you knew anything about fleet fighting, sitting ontop of a gate when your heavily outnumbered is somewhat of a stupid idea. Its called tactics buddy. But sorry, you don't seem to have a grasp on them.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:13:00 - [110] Originally by: Butter Dog I speak for myself here, not my alliance, but I personally believe your days of controlling that pipe are numbered unless you start acting a little more intelligently and making a few more friends. Oh no! The alliance that's doesn't have any territorial ambitions want's us to follow their orders or they'll run us out of town! Oh, please post more Bagdad Bob. Please! You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:17:00 - [111] LoL @ Kristoffer The last we saw of you was your "high tailing it thru" ZX
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:34:00 - [112] Originally by: Kristoffer We had 17 - 20 ships when we jumped into KDF. You had atleast 20 on that gate and 50 more in system / within a jump. Not to mention you had a carrier attaching fighters to that camp, I know because they killed me. (again, the ONLY battleship loss) You outnumbered us, outgunned us, and we still massacred you. You're quite simply wrong. KDF is not used just by the ISS, in case you had not noticed. Most ISS members are not PvPers. Of those 50 in local, a good proportion would have been neutrals or industrialists within the station. There were also a large number of Stain Empire people who were using the station at the time. Our original fleet of 53 would have massacred you, and you sensibly chose not to engage. Well done, hiding from an Industrial Alliance, very brave. But that fleet was no longer in existence when you entered KDF so you need to stop deluding yourself that you killed 'our fleet'. You didn't, you killed an much smaller (10-15?) assembly of T1 ships no longer under fleet command. Congratulations on that, but to say you fully engaged our original fleet, or that 50 people were ready to warp in from somewhere else is ludicrous. And untrue. You're a PvP alliance - of course you're better than an Industrial Alliance at PvP. Does this make you special? Hardly. Are ISS getting better at actively defending themselves? Certainly. For us to get any decent kills off you in pretty good for an industrial alliance, and we have wiped out quite a few of your gank squads. With regard to you warping around KDF, our task is to defend the station from hostiles. You sitting at 500k isnt exactly an urgent threat. We engage when we want to, not when you get bored. Maybe you should try targetting a PvP alliance if you find the combat in KDF boring, or is that a little outside your capabilities? ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:41:00 - [113] This is hilarious!!! Please post more - I love fairy tales! If ISS is an industrial corp THEN GET BACK TO YULAI where you belong. Don't pretend you have no territorial ambitions whilst hiding behind hired guns! Lets not forget how this began - We did not target KDF until AFTER you had hired your merc goons to try and control the corridor. We have controlled the Doril pipe from the day CCP opened the Sendaya gate, I should know - coz I was the first pilot thru it (I have the screen shot). We have done nothing but protect our space and responded to ISS's aggression. We will continue to do so until you realise that you can't go pushing people around just so you can earn the next BILLION ISK! DOWN WITH THE CAPATILIST PIGS! LONG LIVE THE REBELLION!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:02:00 - [114] Originally by: Rebekah We have done nothing but protect our space and responded to ISS's aggression. So flying unarmed haulers through the pipe is considered 'aggression' is it You obviously like having us as easy targets because it boosts your egos and allows you to post 'newsflashes' regarding kills against an industrial alliance. So by all means carry on. We have more than enough ships and ISK to cause a little pain in return and any losses you inflict are never going to harm our overall operations. Its a fight you simply cannot win. We're adapting our tactics. The Enyo we spotted on a gate and killed last night in Utopia with a couple of T1 frigs is one such example. You popped the fully insured T1 frigs with a little fleet which warped in trying to save the poor Enyo, so that little 'op' cost us all of... ooh, zero ISK. A small example of the kind of the kind fun we expect to have with you in the future :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:16:00 - [115] Originally by: Butter Dog Fine, a fleet of 15 were wiped out for 1 loss (I think it was Litom). 15 vs 70, we inflicted more damage isk wise aswell, btw didn't see you there only that shinra alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:25:00 - [116] Edited by: Rebekah on 28/02/2006 18:30:56 Originally by: Butter Dog So flying unarmed haulers through the pipe is considered 'aggression' is it You obviously like having us as easy targets because it boosts your egos and allows you to post 'newsflashes' regarding kills against an industrial alliance. So by all means carry on. We have more than enough ships and ISK to cause a little pain in return and any losses you inflict are never going to harm our overall operations. Its a fight you simply cannot win. You see, this sums it up - You talk about "unarmed haulers" and "industrial alliances" but then you show your true colours when you say that we "are never going to harm our overall operations. Its a fight you simply cannot win." Its like saying that targeting German trains during the war was not valid targets - Those "peaceful" little haulers you refer to carry the fuel for your POSs - the components for your capital ships - in short, the building blocks of your imperialist machine. That is why we target your haulers because it gets you where it hurts and that is why you keep going on about it. Just stop playing the victim here - You are Imperialists not Industrialists AND WE WILL RESIST YOU TO THE LAST MAN!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:57:00 - [117] Oh, just NAP us... You know you want to really You can come on an ISS mining op if you're really good :p ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:58:00 - [118] I would go so far as to say the ISS is nothing but glorified arms dealers! You sell weapons and war ships to friends and enemies and dont care whos being shot as long as people are firing and dieing! That cant be stoped in empire space, but out here your haulers are far from unarmed and innocent.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Butter Dog You can come on an ISS mining op if you're really good :p Only if i can get a screenshot of mongo mining in his naglfar. At least that way i get to see him actually using a capital ship.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:05:00 - [120] Originally by: Raid Only if i can get a screenshot of mongo mining in his naglfar. At least that way i get to see him actually using a capital ship. LOL I'm sure that can be arranged. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.

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