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Kager o	Posted - 2006.01.13 04:39:00 - [1] Its been an interesting week for myself so far. I have recently moved into the Cursed region to try to stake a claim for myself and amass my riches in more treacherous areas. A flourish of my own ship destructions in the Doril and Utopia area found myself realizing that to survive in this area, sometimes making allies may help you get by a little further then flying by yourself. So I joined the Cursed Coalition to try to strike it rich in the heart of the most dangerous space known to mankind. Tyrell Corporation has proven to be extremely effective in locking down sections of space and controlling their enemies movement. Today alone was the greatest day in my battle streaked career. A few dreadnaughts from an enemy corporation decided it to risk travelling through our space, and a force that deadly was given a huge breather of room. The four of them totally outgunned us, so we let them travel through and allow them on their way (we didn't have much choice!) I was flying in my lone Stiletto watching the magnificence of these grand ships, all four of them were opening up a cyno field and preparing to warp off. It then dawned on me, that if 3 Dreads warp out and leave 1 alone, it would be leaving it very suseptiable to attack, so i cleaned off my goggles, hit the miniwarpdrive, and targeted the beast. Locking it down, I craned my neck to see the ship in it's entirty, praying that help would come quickly. And thats where Tyrell shined, coming in with a small but strong enough fleet to engage the monstrousity of a ship. The Pilot of the Phoenix was brave and extremely smart, but was no match for the small swarm of us, and in the end succomed to our forces after at least a 25 minute war. Thank you for that fight lloll, you are indeed a formitable opponent, and hope to see Rage and Terror try to take some revenge on us in the near future! My guns await you again. Friend or Foe.....theres still a toll
semp	Posted - 2006.01.13 09:01:00 - [2] We do what we can :) Its nice flying with our new allies too Kager. Semp
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.01.13 09:14:00 - [3] Nice work guys - It's good to see that our new friends are enjoying life out here as much as we our. Its also fun to see a Dread go bang without the help of POSs or other Cap ships - Just good old T1 BSs and good tactics! Great Job!
Quent	Posted - 2006.01.13 13:31:00 - [4] Nice job guys Respect to Curse Coalition
Light Darkness	Posted - 2006.01.13 13:38:00 - [5] Thats why i miss TYC. GJ friends... Regards /LD -V-President -V-Fleet Command
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.01.13 14:12:00 - [6] Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 13/01/2006 14:12:13 random flame about tyrell I wonder for how much capital torpedoes can hit these days ;s Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
sidthesexist	Posted - 2006.01.13 15:18:00 - [7] Can i ask what Corp/Alliance lost the dread plz?
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.13 15:33:00 - [8] Originally by: sidthesexist Can i ask what Corp/Alliance lost the dread plz? The idea was not to name names but if you read the thread and can see pictures you can take a guess. Respect to the enemy, that was a load of fun! ---------------------------- I speak Russian. Ctrl,Alt,Del...
Nache1	Posted - 2006.01.13 15:56:00 - [9] Nice one
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.01.13 17:18:00 - [10] damm missed it !!! good job all

Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.01.13 19:44:00 - [11] oh wow that is an old name, I have to dust off my brain a bit. okay is this CC based off the CC that was started when Curse Alliance began to ***** down on Curse space? Or is this just a coincidence that you have used the name Coalition of Curse? I remember battling Curse with CC, and even though Curse succeeded it was damn fun. man that was a long time ago... Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.13 20:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Raid on 13/01/2006 20:03:20 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 13/01/2006 19:44:40 oh wow that is an old name, I have to dust off my brain a bit. okay is this CC based off the CC that was started when Curse Alliance began to cr4ck down on Curse space? Or is this just a coincidence that you have used the name Coalition of Curse? I remember battling Curse with CC, and even though Curse succeeded it was damn fun. man that was a long time ago... We are the original Curse Coalition. Most of the CC corps merged into Tyrell (the largest and most well known CC corp at the time) just before castor. The only ones that did not merge were Eye of God and Cosmology. EOG is in ASCN and Cosmology has faded away afaik. ---------------------------- I speak Russian. Ctrl,Alt,Del...
Space Hog	Posted - 2006.01.13 22:56:00 - [13] Is Rage and Terror in Red Alliance? None the less good job Tyrell and CC
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.13 23:27:00 - [14] No they are not in Red Alliance. However, IMO they are VERY closely related. Sorta like the relationship between G and IRON. Seperate organizations but considered the same entity. ---------------------------- I speak Russian. Ctrl,Alt,Del...
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.01.14 08:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 13/01/2006 20:03:20 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 13/01/2006 19:44:40 oh wow that is an old name, I have to dust off my brain a bit. okay is this CC based off the CC that was started when Curse Alliance began to cr4ck down on Curse space? Or is this just a coincidence that you have used the name Coalition of Curse? I remember battling Curse with CC, and even though Curse succeeded it was damn fun. man that was a long time ago... We are the original Curse Coalition. Most of the CC corps merged into Tyrell (the largest and most well known CC corp at the time) just before castor. The only ones that did not merge were Eye of God and Cosmology. EOG is in ASCN and Cosmology has faded away afaik. awesome, good luck. Aegis Miltia Infomercial + video http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242744
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.15 02:15:00 - [16] Originally by: sidthesexist Can i ask what Corp/Alliance lost the dread plz? It was RAT
Bishop 5	Posted - 2006.01.15 13:20:00 - [17] lol... how do you reckon they decided which dread was to stay? maybe it was the most costly game of 'ippy-dippy' ever played :P -------------
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.01.16 06:30:00 - [18] he is saying that all 4 were going to jump out. he scrambled once, preventing it from jumping. the other 3 jumped, 1 did not. they ganked the 1
Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.18 07:09:00 - [19] it was us dread. nice kill. next time bring big dreadz too and let's have phun. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.18 07:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Omeega it was us dread. nice kill. next time bring big dreadz too and let's have phun. ---------------- It was our dread, nice kill btw. We'd apreciate if next time you could also bring dreadnoughts so we could both have a sweet fight. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Kager o	Posted - 2006.01.18 09:27:00 - [21] We have pilots in our Alliance that are currently have gone back the flight acadamy to learn the difficult techniques required to fly the behemoths known as capital ships. As soon as they quit binge drinking, focus on their studies and make it through their training, whilst paying off their extensive student loans, (Tuition is a killer these days) then we will glady face off against you in a Dreadnaught rampage. Until then, I will have to continue fighting your Dreads in Stilettos however. My apologies. Friend or Foe.....theres still a toll
Tasty McNuggetts	Posted - 2006.01.18 13:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Kager o We have pilots in our Alliance that bla bla bla.. Translation: Curse Coalition is really Noob Coalition
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.18 14:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Tasty McNuggetts Originally by: Kager o We have pilots in our Alliance that bla bla bla.. Translation: Curse Coalition is really Noob Coalition Because we dont need to fly dreads? Tell me, what good is a dread to us? and uh... who are you? Someone who ventured into curse and got blown up and now has a beef? ---------------------------- You can lead a dead horse to water but you can't make him drink. I speak Russian. Ctrl,Alt,Del...
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.18 14:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Omeega It was our dread, nice kill btw. We'd apreciate if next time you could also bring dreadnoughts so we could both have a sweet fight. a Dread fleet fight would be sweet wouldnt it. But atm we dont have or need dreads so you're gonna have to ask V for that dread fight instead. ---------------------------- You can lead a dead horse to water but you can't make him drink. I speak Russian. Ctrl,Alt,Del...
Afonso Henriques	Posted - 2006.01.18 17:11:00 - [25] Which complex is rat moving the dreads in for?
RacerX1	Posted - 2006.01.18 21:43:00 - [26] this is funny thread...curse is about the least dangerous place to be imo...everytime we take a trip to doril and the surrounding area there no one willing to fight, or are way to busy npcing or mining to bother with actual people..go figure. Tyrell Corp does pop their head out of the hole every now and then though.
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.18 23:39:00 - [27] Originally by: RacerX1 this is funny thread...curse is about the least dangerous place to be imo...everytime we take a trip to doril and the surrounding area there no one willing to fight, or are way to busy npcing or mining to bother with actual people..go figure. Tyrell Corp does pop their head out of the hole every now and then though. You guys come in frig/hac fleets of 12-16 pilots. Its very unlikely your going to find a prepared force of the same size who is ready to fight you. Now if you want to take that fleet to ASCN, G, IRON or wherever space where a single alliance and all their pilots live, im sure you'd get more than gankage. But for now, the size you guys run around in creates its own safety regardless of where your flying in curse or catch.
Omeega	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Which complex is rat moving the dreads in for? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha got blown? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
RacerX1	Posted - 2006.01.21 19:14:00 - [29] you know..I'd say you have a valid argument Raid but I just can't, for the simple fact from Litom to Doril there is usually 30-50 hostile pilots online. Your right...we come in a frig/hac gang...usually 3-5 hac's depending, the rest smaller...You'd think out of the 30-50 pilots in those surrounding systems some type of defensive force could be gathered..it isn't like it'd take much effort, a couple BS and some support and boom were off and having a good time with each other but all we ever get is alot of nothing..it seems the majority of people in that area of curse have no PVP ambitions ya know...simply a bunch of npc'ers and .0 mission runners.
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.21 23:19:00 - [30] You dont really think all those people are friendly towards each other? CDC and CC are fighting each other. The majority of the pilots in those systems are devived between our factions. Like i said in my last post this isnt ASCN or G/IRON space. No ingle alliance inhabits this space there are lots of smaller alliances fighting each other. Thus, when you come through in 15 pilots 3-5 hacs theres safety in numbers.

Trakh Shardan	Posted - 2006.01.23 23:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Afonso Henriques Which complex is rat moving the dreads in for? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha got blown? U are THE funny rofl.......
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.01.25 11:33:00 - [32] Originally by: RacerX1 this is funny thread...curse is about the least dangerous place to be imo...everytime we take a trip to doril and the surrounding area there no one willing to fight, or are way to busy npcing or mining to bother with actual people..go figure. Tyrell Corp does pop their head out of the hole every now and then though. I would say that 500+ kills in the last 25 days was a little more than "popping our head out" wouldn't you? Plus the fact that one of the 500+ was a Dread. Just for the record, TYC is a PvP corp, if we do agents or npc its just for cash and don't you even dare mention the "M" word in conjuction with Tyrell!
RacerX1	Posted - 2006.01.25 18:12:00 - [33] Thats super for you guys Reb congrats...but in the nearly daily trips we take to the area it still doesn't get around the fact that just about everyone and their dog would rather sit in the station then actually fight, Raid made his point earlier you a good bit behind on this thread and I was tryin to give a tiny bit of respect to you guys by mentioning that you do actually attempt to fight on some occasions in the area, more then can be said about a large majority of the other corps..you can take it anyway you want, hell declare war on us for all I care, make it fun for both sides.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.01.25 19:00:00 - [34] Don't mind me bud... Just messin' with 'ya.
Dr Happy	Posted - 2006.01.29 16:34:00 - [35] Although I find your gate camps annoying I have to respect you for doing a god job at controllign the area yu want to control
Tysenus	Posted - 2006.02.01 02:47:00 - [36] Originally by: RacerX1 you know..I'd say you have a valid argument Raid but I just can't, for the simple fact from Litom to Doril there is usually 30-50 hostile pilots online. Your right...we come in a frig/hac gang...usually 3-5 hac's depending, the rest smaller...You'd think out of the 30-50 pilots in those surrounding systems some type of defensive force could be gathered..it isn't like it'd take much effort, a couple BS and some support and boom were off and having a good time with each other but all we ever get is alot of nothing..it seems the majority of people in that area of curse have no PVP ambitions ya know...simply a bunch of npc'ers and .0 mission runners. Agreed. Kill one man and your a murderer... kill a million and your a conquerer
Phi Crysae	Posted - 2006.02.02 03:34:00 - [37] Great kill. Would have been great to see it slowely go down, like being swarmed by bees. Good Job
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.04 03:30:00 - [38] Just so you don't think its a "one off" here is another dread-go-boom. Fraps to follow! 2006.02.04 01:35 2006.02.04 01:21 Victim: Mongo Peck Alliance: Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Destroyed: Phoenix System: KDF-GY Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Tekal Security: 5.1 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Megathron Weapon: Megathron Name: Tara Read Security: 0.3 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Megathron Weapon: Megathron Name: Justarius (laid the final blow) Security: 2.7 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Dominix Weapon: Berserker I Name: Hoshi Security: 5.0 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Raven Weapon: Mjolnir Torpedo Name: Dr'Laaq Security: 2.8 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Crow Weapon: 150mm Railgun II Name: Ty Avalon Security: 5.0 Alliance: Curse Coalition Corp: Tyrell Corp Ship: Raptor Weapon: Raptor Name: Scragg Security: 0.0 Alliance: Curse Coalition Corp: Tyrell Corp Ship: Caracal Weapon: Bloodclaw Light Missile Name: Omega27 Security: 0.4 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Rifter Weapon: Rifter Name: Kheldara Jinx Security: 5.0 Alliance: Curse Coalition Corp: Tyrell Corp Ship: Crow Weapon: Crow Name: Rebekah Security: 3.3 Alliance: Curse Coalition Corp: Tyrell Corp Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Ishkur Name: Serial BoX Security: 5.0 Alliance: None Corp: Blackguard Brigade Ship: Buzzard Weapon: Remote Sensor Dampener II Name: Bach Security: 4.9 Alliance: Curse Coalition Corp: Tyrell Corp Ship: Falcon Weapon: ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II Destroyed items: Brokara's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Siege Missile Launcher II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Siege Missile Launcher II Gravimetric Backup Array II Gravimetric Backup Array II Cap Booster 800, Qty: 3 Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo, Qty: 11 Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo, Qty: 11 Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo, Qty: 11
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.04 04:58:00 - [39] Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 04/02/2006 05:03:43 Originally by: Rebekah Just so you don't think its a "one off" here is another dread-go-boom. Fraps to follow! 2006.02.04 01:35 2006.02.04 01:21 Victim: Mongo Peck Alliance: Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Destroyed: Phoenix System: KDF-GY Security: 0.0 And if you watch the fraps really closely you might even notice that the Phoenix never hit its shield booster. Had the RA dread pilot that you popped the other week crashed as well? Of course, given your rather incompetent camp of KDF, it's obvious that you're better at fighting on the forums than you are in game, so I wouldn't expect you to notice subtle details such as that.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.04 12:37:00 - [40] Edited by: Rebekah on 04/02/2006 12:39:25 Lol - You guys are funny. We told Mongo that if he ever took his Dread out of docking range he would loose it and he proved us right. I mean who in their right mind brings a billion isk ship to take out a 4mil isk small bubble - WITH NO SUPPORT? As soon as he realised he was in trouble he starts swearing in local then logged off to try and save his pod (which he did). As you can see from the logs below the fight only lasted 2 Mins 10 seconds. FIRST ENGAGEMENT [ 2006.02.04 01:19:15 ] (combat) Your 150mm Railgun II glances off Valkyrie I [ISSN]<ISS>(Valkyrie I), causing no real damage. POD RUNS AWAY [ 2006.02.04 01:21:26 ] (notify) Interference from the warp Mongo Peck's Capsule is preventing your sensors from getting a target lock on them. 2 Mins 10 seconds! Just goes to prove (AGAIN) That firepower alone won't save you! Oh yes and here is a breakdown of what our... Originally by: Jacob Majestic rather incompetent camp of KDF ...took down last night - With no losses! 2006-02-04 - 00:17:00 Victim: Mongo Peck Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Ship Lost: Raven System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 00:33:00 Victim: Zephyir Corp: Jarizza Syndicate Ship Lost: Manticore System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 00:33:00 Victim: Zephyir Corp: Jarizza Syndicate Ship Lost: Capsule System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 01:06:00 Victim: sartorii Corp: Genco Ship Lost: Buzzard System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 01:06:00 Victim: sartorii Corp: Genco Ship Lost: Capsule System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 02:30:00 Victim: couger malthas Corp: Blood Moon Horde Ship Lost: Impairor System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 02:30:00 Victim: couger malthas Corp: Blood Moon Horde Ship Lost: Capsule System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 02:36:00 Victim: Thierry Ames Corp: Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals Ship Lost: Capsule System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 02:35:00 Victim: Thierry Ames Corp: Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals Ship Lost: Executioner System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 02:45:00 Victim: MGONDIM Corp: FEDERACAO ESPACIAL BRASILEIRA Ship Lost: Incursus System: KDF-GY (0.0) 2006-02-04 - 02:45:00 Victim: MGONDIM Corp: FEDERACAO ESPACIAL BRASILEIRA Ship Lost: Capsule System: KDF-GY (0.0) Oh yes... and a dread! We will be back again tonite if you want to show us just how incompetent we are of course.


Eshtir	Posted - 2006.02.04 12:42:00 - [41] Lockage during clean up forum rules \| [email protected] Yulai, we have a problem! You shouldnt crash your ship into the Yulai station, its not good for the donuts. -Kaemonn

Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.04 14:31:00 - [42] ### NEWS FLASH ### The Curse Coalition was granted an easy, yet satisfying kill last night in KDF. An ISS Navy Task Force spokesman claimed that the loss of their Phoenix Dreadnaught was the result of a computer glitch on the part of its Pilot, Mongo Peck. However those who witnessed the destruction of the ISS Navy Task Force flagship, tell a different story. The Curse Coalition has been regularly visiting the home of the ISS Marginis Outpost for sometime and has, on a number of occasions, been greeted by Mr. Peck's Dread at the entrance to the outpost. He was warned repeatedly not to venture beyond docking range but it seems last night he was unable to contain himself. Some have speculated that Blue pill or Vitoc might be to blame. In an act of either, bravado or staggering stupidity. Mongo took it upon himself to bring the ISS Flagship out of the station and attempt to engage a small warp bubble at one of the KDF gates. The CC forces immediately sent in their interceptor fleet in a desperate attempt to save the small bubble (which cost CC almost 5 million isk). The CC then bought their ECM capability into play, rendering the Phoenix impotent. CC forces then fully engaged Mongo and dispatched the ISS flagship in under three minutes. When asked about the incident, a CC spokesman said "...we were expecting him to tank or something, we even thought it could be a trap but no other ships came to his aid...ö Even though the ISS are claiming that Mongo had computer problems it was plain from his comments in local that he was still active until it was clear he would not survive. At this point witnesses claim that he must have logged as his escape pod vanished almost immediately. The CC are satisfied that it was a valid kill however they are still very confused at the actions of this pilot and we cannot confirm or deny that the use of some kind of mind altering chemicals were involved in the decision making of Mr. Peck.
Zooish	Posted - 2006.02.04 14:35:00 - [43] You guys are funny ........ I believe Mongo lost one of his Dreads ...... but I think the only thing you were doing at the time was spending you pocket money
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.02.04 17:14:00 - [44] That just shows how little some ppl understand about the vulnerabilities of these monsters, unsupported they are nothing.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:50:00 - [45] Quote: That just shows how little some ppl understand about the vulnerabilities of these monsters, unsupported they are nothing. But you never really answered the question ....... a ship that can tank you for 30 mins dies in less than 3 mins ...... and you say it was all skill .... please get real .....
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.05 02:07:00 - [46] For the record, the CONCORD notification of the ship loss mentions some 15 ships, with only four battleships among their number -- a Raven, two Megathrons, and a Dominix. From my experience with the Phoenix, that isn't even enough firepower to scratch the paint. However, believe what you will. CC has always been good at self-delusion
Serial BoX	Posted - 2006.02.05 02:26:00 - [47] He came out of warp; 50km from 3-4 TYC interceptors. withing 10 seconds he was scrambled +6 and already jammed from a force recon. 20-30 Seconds after that 4 BS including my own "Tara Read" warped in at optimal ranges to our friendly TYC pilots. 1 Mega T2 neutrons; 1 Mega Named 425's; Dominix with Praetors and a Raven firing all Mjornir Torpedos. Thats several thousand damage a second. More than enough to crush a dread whos jammed and cannot enter siege mode. Dreads are not the god machines you think they are. 35k shields is not that much. My raven has 17k Same resistances buddy. Only a dreadnaught takes wrecking shots from other battleships because they are the size of a barn. GG iss
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.05 02:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Jacob Majestic For the record, the CONCORD notification of the ship loss mentions some 15 ships, with only four battleships among their number -- a Raven, two Megathrons, and a Dominix. From my experience with the Phoenix, that isn't even enough firepower to scratch the paint. You need more experience then... You overestimate the strength of the dreadnaughts....
Zooish	Posted - 2006.02.05 18:38:00 - [49] Quote: Thats several thousand damage a second. More than enough to crush a dread whos jammed and cannot enter siege mode. Thats tbh would barely break a "non sieged" Tank ... Normal tank on a Phoenix with Crystal Implants is 1,000 shields every second and with a normal setup the shield resistance means you need to be doing 2400 damage evey second to make a dent ..... In siege mode that then becomes 4000 shields every second and 9000 damage a second to break the tank. With 4 battleships and couple of cruisers and a few interceptors and frigates .... please be serious. I would question if this was down to skill alone andnot help from the internet monster ...... A kill is a kill but I wouldn't brag to much that it was down to skill ....
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.02.05 19:50:00 - [50] This kill was not due to skill on our side but to misstakes on your. First of all I must question your claim that he had a full set of crystal implants. The reason I do is the simple fact that the pilot in question was podded 1 hour before the incident. But even if he had such a set and had not experienced problems with his pod interface he would still have lost the ship. Yes it would have take longer, probably a lot longer but it was only a matter of time. He where going nowhere and if needed we would just have called in the extra battleships needed to deal with his tank. The misstake that costed him his dread was warping away from the station in the first place.

Archonon	Posted - 2006.02.05 21:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Raid You guys come in frig/hac fleets of 12-16 pilots. Its very unlikely your going to find a prepared force of the same size who is ready to fight you Completely agree, and add they're there for easy gank and run in same number. Return to Fix space :p _______________________ XIII's member in local and all docked in Curse XIII's fleet around -V-'s dread and they called for Blob-jamming-Backup
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.05 22:50:00 - [52] I can confirm that Mr. Peck was podded just minutes earlier when he lost his raven to the same CC fleet. Witnesses at the scene also reported that after that Mr. Peck lost the ISS flagship he then clone hopped out of the system by self-destructing his egg outside the station. The overwhelming conclusion must be that Mongo had NO implants. Which begs the question WHY he claimed he did. This reporter does not have the answer to that question. Perhaps the ISS will hold an inquiry into the incident. A CC spokesman said last night "...who cares what BS they come out with - He lost a Dread coz he was dumb!" Mr. Peck remains unavailable for comment.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.08 16:12:00 - [53] ### NEWS FLASH ### Reports are coming in of yet another capital ship falling prey to brave warriors of Curse. This time it is IAC that feel the might of the combined forces of Curse. According to sources within the Curse Coalition, an engagement took place last night in G-7 when a CC patrol ran into a IAC Carrier fleet. Curse warriors from the western defence team rushed to their battleships and quickly mustered a force of some 30+ ships. Yet again it seems that a pilot error may have caused this loss, as he (Thanatos) warped to a gate, unaided, from the safety of a POS. The fleet quickly dispatched the carrier with no losses and only minimal harassment from the ships fighter drones. Witnesses did comment on the bravery of the 20 or so IAC pilots that attempted a counter attack which was, inevitably, unsuccessful. This brings the number of capital ships destroyed by Curse warriors this year to 3, with no losses at any of the engagements.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.08 20:05:00 - [54] ### THIS JUST IN ### The IAC mounted a massive counterattack this afternoon in G-7. The gallent forces loyal to the Curse region were faced with an onslaught of IAC fighters including: 1 X Dread 1 X Faction BS 6 X BS 3 X HAC 5 X Cruisers 3 X inty/AF/frigs 1 X Hauler ??? The Curse forces were triumphant destroying all the enemy ships (including the Dread) and losing only 1 scorp. There seems to be a trend developing in Curse these days - Their fighters are taking down Capital ships on a regular basis without the need to fly them!
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2006.02.08 23:51:00 - [55] you forgot to mention that dread was in siege mode :)
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:37:00 - [56] ### THIS JUST IN ### This GalNet correspondent has just been informed by a reliable source that Rebekah's GalNet posting interface seems to be jammed in the "POST" position by a cloudy, white, sticky substance. A mechanic in Jita IV - CNAP who had reportedly worked on her ship in the recent past was quoted as saying that "it tends to happen when a pod pilot plays GalNet Solitare, tooting their own horn, if you know what I mean." Reportedly, simply undocking from station is enough to reactivate the pod's circulation systems, cleaning the buildup.
DjDangle	Posted - 2006.02.16 12:57:00 - [57] Lmfao, RAT are always first on the case when they gank someone else, it's nice to see the mother of ganks happening to them. Well done Tyrell o/ "On My Signal, Unleash Hell"
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.16 15:46:00 - [58] Jacob, your post would be funnier if you and your friends were not getting your asses so thoroughly handed to you. For such a large entity ISS really should be able to hire some pilots that can hold thier own in 0.0. So far as I can tell mongo is the best you guys have going an hes down more than 2 billion to us atm. I enjoy a little smack as much as the next guy but you have to at least be able to back it up every so often. If you guys weren't constantly hiding inside your fortress of solitude down in kdf I'm quite sure none of you would make it out here. So, basically, put up or shut up.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.16 16:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Jacob Majestic ### THIS JUST IN ### This GalNet correspondent has just been informed by a reliable source that Rebekah's GalNet posting interface seems to be jammed in the "POST" position by a cloudy, white, sticky substance. A mechanic in Jita IV - CNAP who had reportedly worked on her ship in the recent past was quoted as saying that "it tends to happen when a pod pilot plays GalNet Solitare, tooting their own horn, if you know what I mean." Reportedly, simply undocking from station is enough to reactivate the pod's circulation systems, cleaning the buildup. What a stupid story. You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.16 21:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Lt Hole What a stupid story. <3 You can help me clear my blockage any time, Mr. Hole.

Innsu	Posted - 2006.02.17 08:04:00 - [61] I'm somewhat annoyed by your attitude, because you obviously have no idea what our goals are in KDF. I understand that you're in Curse for the ganks, and if that's what powers your pod then I hope you have fun. Our job in KDF is not to get ganks but to secure a market that handles hundreds of billions of isk in transactions every single month. It's neither reasonable nor prudent to engage terrorists such as yourselves on your own terms when you really pose no threat to our mission. I rarely talk on these things, but this has too be addressed........TERRORISTS, thats quite upsetting Jacob. TYRELL will never will commit terrorism, we secure our space from unwanted visitors.
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Jacob Majestic I'm somewhat annoyed by your attitude, because you obviously have no idea what our goals are in KDF. I understand that you're in Curse for the ganks, and if that's what powers your pod then I hope you have fun. Our job in KDF is not to get ganks but to secure a market that handles hundreds of billions of isk in transactions every single month. It's neither reasonable nor prudent to engage terrorists such as yourselves on your own terms when you really pose no threat to our mission. Considering it was you who started all this by hiring people to terrorize the legitimate inhabitants of curse I would choose my words a bit more carefully if I where you. We where all happily killing off each other when you had to come and interfere, this is what happens when you can't keep your hand out of the cookie jar. As for not threatening your goal, how about at least you try and keep your customers safe or they might decide it's not worth the hassle and take their business elsewhere. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:44:00 - [63] Originally by: Hoshi Considering it was you who started all this by hiring people to terrorize the legitimate inhabitants of curse I would choose my words a bit more carefully if I where you. We where all happily killing off each other when you had to come and interfere, this is what happens when you can't keep your hand out of the cookie jar. I'm not here to get in a he-said, she-said argument about who started the hostilities between us, because from the perspective of ISS it doesn't matter. Other alliances feel the need to "win", we don't, and that's the difference. We're just here to make money. We take money from G, IRON, ASCN, Stain, FIX, Huzzah, everybody. If you stopped shooting at us ISS will stop shooting at you, simple as that. Originally by: Hoshi As for not threatening your goal, how about at least you try and keep your customers safe or they might decide it's not worth the hassle and take their business elsewhere. We'd like you to be our customers.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Jacob Majestic You can help me clear my blockage any time, Mr. Hole. That sounds like you want to be my ***. Which doesn't make you look good at all. That's two stupid posts in a row. Want to go for three? Oh, wait. You already have. Originally by:** Jacob Majestic I'm somewhat annoyed by your attitude, because you obviously have no idea what our goals are in KDF. I understand that you're in Curse for the ganks, and if that's what powers your pod then I hope you have fun. Our job in KDF is not to get ganks but to secure a market that handles hundreds of billions of isk in transactions every single month. It's neither reasonable nor prudent to engage terrorists such as yourselves on your own terms when you really pose no threat to our mission. Translation: "We here at ISS suck at PvP and are afraid to fight so we must pretend to be above it. We have little pee-pees. However we are rich so you should fear us anyway. If you don't understand your place in OUR universe then we'll pay somebody to blow you up." How wimpy is that? Sheeeesh. I think you'll be seeing a lot of us hanging around waiting to take turns clearing up your blockage. But hey, with all that cash you should be able to afford a lot of lubricant. You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:24:00 - [65] Originally by: Lt Hole "If you don't understand your place in OUR universe then we'll pay somebody to blow you up." ISS does not have an agenda. We don't push other alliances around like pieces on a chessboard. We have no territorial ambitions on your space, full stop. Originally by: Lt Hole How wimpy is that? Sheeeesh. The ISSN's Charter doesn't say "Protect KDF-GY, and be a 'man' while doing it." CC's occassional blobs in KDF-GY and surrounding systems have not significantly affected our market activity, so ISSN is successful.
Al'Cuujar	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:49:00 - [66] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Jacob Majestic I'm somewhat annoyed by your attitude, because you obviously have no idea what our goals are in KDF. I understand that you're in Curse for the ganks, and if that's what powers your pod then I hope you have fun. Our job in KDF is not to get ganks but to secure a market that handles hundreds of billions of isk in transactions every single month. It's neither reasonable nor prudent to engage terrorists such as yourselves on your own terms when you really pose no threat to our mission. Considering it was you who started all this by hiring people to terrorize the legitimate inhabitants of curse I would choose my words a bit more carefully if I where you. We where all happily killing off each other when you had to come and interfere, this is what happens when you can't keep your hand out of the cookie jar. As for not threatening your goal, how about at least you try and keep your customers safe or they might decide it's not worth the hassle and take their business elsewhere. Speaking of hands in the cookie jar... If you guys are going to make a habit of killing SA haulers in Catch, please drop a line to OrcA and make sure to have appropriate standings set. NEWS FLASH: Blue on blue shooting is like kissing your sister. You may enjoy it but she's just feeling violated.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.17 19:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Jacob Majestic ISS does not have an agenda. We don't push other alliances around like pieces on a chessboard. We have no territorial ambitions on your space, full stop. I'll just go ahead and call you a liar. No point in beating around the bush. You want to control the economy in the regions you occupy. That in itself is a territorial ambition. Also you paid mercs to run us out of the space you say you didn't claim Again, that makes you a liar. And as you made things worse for yourself in the process that makes you a stupid liar. Hmmm... Stupid AND a liar. You're not doing too good so far. What's next... Originally by: Jacob Majestic The ISSN's Charter doesn't say "Protect KDF-GY, and be a 'man' while doing it." CC's occassional blobs in KDF-GY and surrounding systems have not significantly affected our market activity, so ISSN is successful. As you're a proven liar and I know for a fact that we've killed many, many ships in your area I can only surmise you're trying to blow smoke up everybody's butt to make them think things are A-OK in KDF. Worried about your investors? Trying to keep them calm? One last thing. It's a good thing your charter doesn't have a "be a man" clause. If it did you'd lose all your members. But hey, you can always hire some mercs to wear the pants for you. You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Leno	Posted - 2006.02.18 01:46:00 - [68] omg you stole the first corp i started! --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.18 11:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Jacob Majestic ISS does not have an agenda. We don't push other alliances around like pieces on a chessboard. We have no territorial ambitions on your space, full stop. TBH I wasn't going to even bother replying to you but this is just getting stupid. FACT 1: To build an outpost you have to claim the system = Territorial ambitions! FACT 2: By hiring merc corps to fight your battles you demonstrate not only your territorial ambitions but also your agenda. Now would you please shut up. Until you have something interesting to say stay in your cosy outpost. Oh yes, just a side note to your "investors" - I would recommend you find a new investment for your hard-earned isk.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.02.18 16:32:00 - [70] Edited by: Chain Gang on 18/02/2006 16:33:40 Lots of smack talk ...... but all I can see if KDF is clear 99% of the time with the odd occasional attack squads trying to get unarmed haulers but they normally fade away after a few minutes ..... Is the Marginis station safe, mostly, as safe a you can have 0.0. Marginis is a single system but it certainly doesn't mean that they want to take over the world ... only a fool would think that.

Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.20 14:18:00 - [71] Our goal at KDF is simple. ISS isnt a PvP alliance, and everyone knows this. It is industrial but it is NOT carebear in nature - we operate in 0.0 after all. Someone needs to provide all those nice T2 modules and HAC's after all. But what the ISSN does in KDF, is attempt to provide a little stability, and protection from random pirating against neutrals using the station. We do this pretty well. When we are faced with a 15 man gank squad of HAC's, we have no real choice but to dock or commit suicide, and if you were in our shoes you would do the same, and you know it. Though, for the record, I have killed 5 of your pilots over the last few days with 1 loss in return. Ask Mextaxx about our little 1v1 I think the ISSN is doing its job as intended, and doing it well - we are providing a level of security to the Marginis outpost. Our job is challenging, with many powerful pirate organisations often coming to KDF for easy kills, but to be honest I like it that way. It tough, but its fun, and I like being the underdog. At the end of the day, I'm not the one flying around in HAC's with faction gear (yes I read my killmails) knowing full well that my 15 man gang is pretty much invincible in KDF. When I fit my ship, I know we're nearly always outnumbered and outgunned, so I leave the faction loot in the hangar. If you guys wanted to use Marginis and set standings to Neutral, it could happen tomorrow. If you don't, thats fine, lets carry on and hopefully we can have some fun. But in the meantime, anytime you want to come down to KDF and have a 1v1, feel free. We're always up for having fun. It sure beats 3 of us being docked while 15 of you camp the station, courageous souls that you are :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
MrMorph	Posted - 2006.02.20 14:42:00 - [72] Player outpost should have had sentryguns or something..... ---------------------------------------------- No sig due to the 1byte 1 pixel limit.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.20 15:10:00 - [73] Originally by: MrMorph Player outpost should have had sentryguns or something..... Soon (TM) Though in all honesty, it's so easy to sentry tank these days I don't really know what the point would be.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:26:00 - [74] Originally by: Butter Dog Our goal at KDF is simple. If you goals were for the potection of KDF only then you would not have hired mercs against factions living in curse. Hiring mercs to do the job for you has only united people against you. As for sentry guns at outposts... what for? You cant even lock the station. If you want to defend the people outside the station you'll need your own military to do it. The outpost itself is safe beacuse of the POS's.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.23 13:21:00 - [75] You made the decision to target the ISS and neutrals using the outpost, and we moved to defend ourselves. If you wanted to use Marginis and contribute to the development of Catch and the associated pipes, we would more than happily work with you to secure that. We shall continue to defend KDF against casual pirating, and we are becoming more successful in that goal. No longer is it possible for a few of your members to come down to KDF for a few hours of casual hauler ganking. These days, the only way you guys can disrupt local traffic significantly is by blobbing KDF or by using large bait gangs at the gates. If you want to waste your time doing that, fine, we'll just dock until you leave. We have no desire to engage you in fleet battles, our goal is to allow the safe passage of traffic to and from KDF. We have nothing against your alliance and only wish for neutrality. I already know you guys use alts to buy supplies and sell things at Marginis. When these are identified we remove their docking rights. It would make sense for us to be neutral toward each other, and then you can just dock in KDF with your mains and do the same thing. Its really up to you, all we can do is react to your actions, which to date have been hostile. What else are we supposed to do? No-one else in the area seems to have the issues that you do. So its down to you. If you just want some easy kills, go ahead and admit it, at least we'll know where we all stand. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.23 21:12:00 - [76] Originally by: Butter Dog You made the decision to target the ISS and neutrals We made the decision to shoot neutrals. ISS is neutral so we shot at them. They turned around and hired merc corps.....oops? Originally by: Butter Dog We shall continue to defend KDF against casual pirating, and we are becoming more successful in that goal. No longer is it possible for a few of your members to come down to KDF for a few hours of casual hauler ganking. We're not pirates.. we dont shoot everyone... just the ones that are neutral or hostile to us. Originally by: Butter Dog We have nothing against your alliance and only wish for neutrality. you have neutrality.. welcome to the wonderful world of NBSI. Originally by: Butter Dog I already know you guys use alts to buy supplies and sell things at Marginis. When these are identified we remove their docking rights. You're removing the docking rights of legit customers. We do not buy or sell anything at your station. Originally by: Butter Dog No-one else in the area seems to have the issues that you do. No one else lives as close as we do. No one else had mercs hired against them. Dont like your neutral neighbours? Thats not our problem.. move your station!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.24 00:11:00 - [77] I think we are speaking the same language but using different terms, by neutrality I mean setting up an NAP so that we do indeed show as blue to each other. Everyone knows we are a non-aggressive alliance, however when people camp KDF and deliberately make a point of targetting us you surely cannot expect us to sit back and do nothing. Regarding the alt issue, we have witnessed members of CC changing from shuttles to haulers using neutral alts in safespots to gain access to the station. We know it happens. The fact is that every major alliance in the local area is either NAP's with us, or in discussions to that effect. Yours however made a point of not only attacking our members in unarmed haulers using the Doril pipe but also camping KDF. You then act suprised that a large industrial alliance such as ours then hired mercs to protect the interests of the many shareholders of Marginis. As I say, I believe an NAP would be of benefit to both of us, as neighbours, but if you do not want that there is little we can do apart from to make the best effort we can to defend ourselves. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Doc Brown	Posted - 2006.02.24 04:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Butter Dog As I say, I believe an NAP would be of benefit to both of us, as neighbours, but if you do not want that there is little we can do apart from to make the best effort we can to defend ourselves. While I'm not adverse to a nap, I think there would need to be a few things that would need to be done before we would agree. I don't speak for the rest of the alliance, but I'm not adverse to opening talks if that's what you want. _________________________________________________ There are no bad ideas, only bad implementations.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.24 05:36:00 - [79] Originally by: Butter Dog I think we are speaking the same language but using different terms, by neutrality I mean setting up an NAP so that we do indeed show as blue to each other. Everyone knows we are a non-aggressive alliance, however when people camp KDF and deliberately make a point of targetting us you surely cannot expect us to sit back and do nothing. Regarding the alt issue, we have witnessed members of CC changing from shuttles to haulers using neutral alts in safespots to gain access to the station. We know it happens. The fact is that every major alliance in the local area is either NAP's with us, or in discussions to that effect. Yours however made a point of not only attacking our members in unarmed haulers using the Doril pipe but also camping KDF. You then act suprised that a large industrial alliance such as ours then hired mercs to protect the interests of the many shareholders of Marginis. As I say, I believe an NAP would be of benefit to both of us, as neighbours, but if you do not want that there is little we can do apart from to make the best effort we can to defend ourselves. unfortunetly Doc isnt our diplomat... We have no need to use your station, we sell our stuff in curse and we buy our stuff in empire (at much cheaper prices than in KDF). How again do we benefit by having you next to us? More trafic through our space doesnt help us.. Its certainly not cheaper t2 stuff.. Docking costs money and your offices certainly arnt cheap.. So what then do you provide?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.24 10:59:00 - [80] The sell margins in KDF are generally much higher than in the periphery of Curse at the NPC stations. The fact you are that much closer to Empire, and served by a single major pipe does make the difference. KDF is situated on a pinch-point between 3 pipes, we get a lot of traffic. The nearby alliances regularly use the station for resupplying and the docking fees we charge are now minimal. There is a big demand in KDF for ships (especially) and modules, so reselling from Empire would bring very healthy profits. We work with a lot of alliances with NBSI policies, how you control your alliance is completely up to you and we would never seek to interfere with that. But we would hope that we could work together to achieve a number of common goals. For example, the removal of hostile infestations, the sharing of intelligence, ensuring the security of the Doril pipe (and working with you to achieve that), and the promotion of a healthy local economy which benefits all concerned. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.

Raid	Posted - 2006.02.24 15:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Butter Dog But we would hope that we could work together to achieve a number of common goals. For example, the removal of hostile infestations, the sharing of intelligence, ensuring the security of the Doril pipe (and working with you to achieve that), and the promotion of a healthy local economy which benefits all concerned. I had a reply written out but I dont want to discuss these things in a public forum.. why dont you convo me and ill respond in game.
Kazius	Posted - 2006.02.24 16:51:00 - [82] Edited by: Kazius on 24/02/2006 16:54:14 Wow, in the two years of checking communication news relays, I've yet to read something so amusing. Hats off to CC, sounds like you had a good time and protected what sounds like your territory. And Jacob, your posts just added so much for them to make fun of ya. Thanks for adding that. Good luck with whatever positive outlook may come now that some positive comments came near the end I gotta go now, my stomach hurts. haha
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.02.26 11:46:00 - [83] Originally by: Rebekah The IAC mounted a massive counterattack this afternoon in G-7. The gallent forces loyal to the Curse region were faced with an onslaught of IAC fighters including: That was an awesome fight, props to IAC for trying to save the dread.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.27 14:44:00 - [84] ### NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINE ### Last night ISS put on an impressive display of strength as they brought a 50 ship strong fleet through the corridor to Doril. They included, the much talked about, newest members of ISS - the renowned PvP corp - Atomic Battle Penguins. Things seemed to be going well for the ISS fleet as they swept through catch/curse until they hit Doril. As soon their fleet entered doril 10 brave curse warriors warped to sniper positions to ambush the arriving fleet, who warped away with minimal losses. With numbers in doril now rapidly climbing towards the 100 mark, the ISS armada did not remain long in Doril. Many on the scene wondered why ISS would bring a 50 strong fleet out just to run home again - questions still remain! Soon afterward the Curse forces mustered a small fleet to investigate the intentions of the ISS - The run down to KDF was uneventful until ZX - Curse intel was reporting 80+ in KDF local with the main battle fleet split between gates. Remarkably, some might say foolishly, the curse fleet decided to engage the ISS fleet at the ZX gate in KDF... and what a spectacle it was within minutes the ISS fleet was decimated. Among 20 or so enemy casualties were several Atomic Battle Penguins' battleships including a special tempest kill for Tyrell Corp - the disgraced Ronald Speirs, former TYC member and TEC director who was sacked after several diplomatic blunders. Many witnesses of the battle called into question the tactics of the ISS fleet, remarking "...they just kept coming in, one by one..." another saying " ... so much for the penguins!" It was also reported this weekend that LV are now actively engaged in helping ISS - obviously at their request. Questions now arise as to why one of the largest alliances in the game need outside help to move through their own space? One does now wonder about the goals of ISS and how many more abortive attempts they will make to try and secure the KDF-Doril Corridor.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:50:00 - [85] Originally by: Rebekah ### NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINE ### words Thanks for your kind words about the strength of the ISS fleet -- we feel that it is only appropriate to respond to force with force until a mutually beneficial armistice can be achieved. As for our response to the CC's subsequent KDF incursion, there were unforunate coordination issues that made our response not as good as it should have been. These issues are being resolved and I can assure you that our battles will be both more entertaining and more frequent from here on out. J (OOC: We also had reports of massive lag on jump in with your gang, with most of the people who jumped in on your reporting getting 10 frames or less before being put in their pod / cloning station. Did you guys get anything similar? I'm trying to determine if that was client or server lag.)
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:22:00 - [86] [OOC. I personally experienced very little lag on the KDF engagement (no more than the usual jump into 20 ship gate camp) I did not hear of anyone else mention any lag - I was one of the first in and didn't see any lagged warp outs etc. One of our buzzard pilots lost his ship in ZX due to weird lag (could not warp out or jump or move) but could activate modules. But that was in the system over and not at the same time the KDF battle went down. Sorry can't help you there.]
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:22:00 - [87] Originally by: Jacob Majestic (OOC: We also had reports of massive lag on jump in with your gang, with most of the people who jumped in on your reporting getting 10 frames or less before being put in their pod / cloning station. Did you guys get anything similar? I'm trying to determine if that was client or server lag.) OOC: I had very low fps but having 2 clients look at the same fight and forgeting to turn off effects might been a contributing factor :) But I did not have any server related lag. Loaded up fast and had no module activation delay. Very nice as both sides had around 25 ships. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:40:00 - [88] Oh well. May the weather be better for our next engagement. GF all.
Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.02.28 00:28:00 - [89] Hehe, from the point of view of the only Curse battleship lost on jumping in, I just had very low FPS as everything was shooting at my scorp. No lag though. Was a fun fight and good all around fun, wish ya'll had stayed in Doril alittle longer. I don't really see how they could have lagged out when we jumped in on them, its usually the other way.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 01:28:00 - [90] Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/02/2006 01:33:16 Hilarious. Rebekah you're talking rubbish, to put it bluntly. Were you even in Doril that evening? The real chain of events was this. ISS fleet of 50 go looking for a fight, we have a covert ops in Doril assuring us of a sizeable fleet ripe for engaging. Numbers seem almost even. We killed a Priory guy on the way in and had a taste for blood. Shortly before we warp into Doril, the CC/Priory fleet dispurses thanks to scouts in the previous systems. Despite their best efforts to muster a fleet against us, they can't. So they leave the gate. When we do warp in hoping for a good battle, we see nothing, tehn about 12 BS's come into sniping range. Its quite clear that they didnt want to really fight after all. Unless you were hoping we would merrily sit on the gate while the BS's sniped. As we are looking for action, not a game of cat and mouse, we head back. Once at KDF, about half the fleet leaves and some of the remaining dock to refit. The people you engaged in KDF represented about a quarter of the original fleet, and even then we still got a few kills off you. The Priory and VIRII fared about as well against the LV fleet as I recall. But did we rush to the forums to announce in a 'newsflash' that we killed 25+ of your ships for single loss on Saturday? No, we did not. Fact is, we went up looking for a fight, and all you guys could do is sit 120k from the gate sniping. So we left. And thats how it really happened. But if you feel the need to brag on forums about how you all hid from the fleet of an industrial alliance and sniped, go ahead. We look forward to (hopefully) some better large scale fights in the future :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.

Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.02.28 02:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/02/2006 01:33:16 Hilarious. Rebekah you're talking rubbish, to put it bluntly. Were you even in Doril that evening? The real chain of events was this. Your talking rubbish. You had 50 ships. We had 35. We were not going to suicidally make a stand at the gate that outgunned. But our fleet was hardly dispersed. We were just waiting for the moment to strike, had you not fled. And also, the "quarter" of your original fleet, outnumbered the gang we jumped in on you with, not to mention the Thanatos that had fighters attached. We were outgunned, outnumbered and we still jumped in and massacred you.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 03:08:00 - [92] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/02/2006 01:33:16 Hilarious. Rebekah you're talking rubbish, to put it bluntly. Were you even in Doril that evening? Haha - yep, I was one of the sniping BS's in Doril and I was one of the first frigs to decloak in KDF. Lets face it boyz - we saw you coming, gave you a scare in doril (lets see, you jump in warp to a safe then leave 60 seconds later) then we followed you home and spanked your unorganized butts. We got the cans and kill mails to prove it. Blow all the smoke you want - If you wanted a fight you should have stayed in doril - next time we hope you do!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 11:03:00 - [93] We do respect CC and enjoy engaging you guys in combat, but you didnt scare us at all in Doril. We were dissapointed that we could not engage properly, there much much dissapointment on our part that you would not engage our fleet of mostly T1 ships head-on. A group of 12 or so BS's sitting 120km does not a scary picture present, when we can simply warp off with zero losses, which we did. We would have placed a cov-ops on you and warped back, but you quickly warped away and deprived us of the pleasure. You were the ones doing the running, we were the ones trying to get a fight. We KNEW we were not going to get a fleet engagement out of you, so we headed back and it was our intention to regroup at a later time with a view to taking on a different pipe altogether. You certainly were not outnumbered at the gate in KDF, half the fleet wasnt even in the system and of the remaining half, 50% were docked. I respect you guys for coming down, but you need to keep things in perspective. Fact is, ISS and associated forces claimed far more kills than we took as losses over the weekend, and we are looking forward to more of the same :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 11:04:00 - [94] Originally by: Kristoffer And also, the "quarter" of your original fleet, outnumbered the gang we jumped in on you with, not to mention the Thanatos that had fighters attached. We were outgunned, outnumbered and we still jumped in and massacred you. You were not outnumbered at the gate at all. There were more in local, yes, but of those half were docked and of the remaining they were either neutrals or not part of the fleet (which had at that point split up anyway). If you want a real massacre, think back to what happened on Saturday :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:13:00 - [95] Originally by: Butter Dog A great big fairy tale... blah blah blah... trying desperately to hide the shame of it all. Help, help, help plz someone help us, LV, Battle angels, Penguins, someone! You really have no idea do you? You can fantasize all you like bud but in the end the days of the Megacorp beating on the small guy are over. You wanna push your weight around? fine! Bring it on.. bring all your friends too. If you wanna second helping of ass handing you know where to find us! Oh, and tell Mongo to bring another dread out, we could do with a laugh.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Butter dog See guys, we don't feel the need to brag on forums about our kills, even though you guys had your rear ends handed to you over the weekend. Better luck next time. I'm curious as to which fight this occurred in? It would take a pretty massive ass kicking to balance out our kill ratio on you guys. If you could be more specific as to exactly when this mass slaughter happened that would be helpful.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:32:00 - [97] Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer I'm curious as to which fight this occurred in? It would take a pretty massive ass kicking to balance out our kill ratio on you guys. If you could be more specific as to exactly when this mass slaughter happened that would be helpful. LOL Well done on your high kill ratio against an Industrial Alliance :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:33:00 - [98] Originally by: Rebekah You really have no idea do you? You can fantasize all you like bud but in the end the days of the Megacorp beating on the small guy are over. You wanna push your weight around? fine! Bring it on.. bring all your friends too. If you wanna second helping of ass handing you know where to find us! Oh, and tell Mongo to bring another dread out, we could do with a laugh. We prefer our carriers these days :) Yes, that was a plural :p ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:42:00 - [99] How about you answer the question at hand.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:47:00 - [100] Oh, and btw, any alliance that claims the number of systems you do in 0.0 isn't an industrial alliance, despite what you may want to believe. ISS exerts influence in 0.0 like any other alliance would, except that you do it with money, rather than guns. But money buys guns...aka Battle Angels/Battle Penguins/MC. Whether you shoot at us yourself or hire someone else to do it it pretty much ammounts to the same thing. Except your hired guns have more experience and are infinitely more organized and effective than your stock pilots are. Anyway, like I said, answer the question at hand. I'm curious about this supposed slaughter so if you could provide some more details that would be very kind of you.

Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:55:00 - [101] I speak for myself and not for Mongo. All I see when he undocks in either one of his Dreads or Carriers ... Is you running .......tbh His task is to keep the station clear, and by all the moaning in local and on these boards he must be doing a good job. Now we can all talk about fair fight etc etc but lets be honest its not really going to happen. You send 20 and then complain because "the 1" has bigger ship than you. I would suggest you get enough firepower to finish the job and put all the forum *****ing in actions but looking at you past performances killing T1 frigates and haulers really isnt a "war winning" formula.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:00:00 - [102] Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer Oh, and btw, any alliance that claims the number of systems you do in 0.0 isn't an industrial alliance, despite what you may want to believe. ISS exerts influence in 0.0 like any other alliance would, except that you do it with money, rather than guns. But money buys guns...aka Battle Angels/Battle Penguins/MC. Whether you shoot at us yourself or hire someone else to do it it pretty much ammounts to the same thing. Except your hired guns have more experience and are infinitely more organized and effective than your stock pilots are. Anyway, like I said, answer the question at hand. I'm curious about this supposed slaughter so if you could provide some more details that would be very kind of you. Fine, a fleet of 15 were wiped out for 1 loss (I think it was Litom). Followed by a gang of 6 mixed ships. There followed a leisurely day of gate camping and eradicating random CC targets. The Eagle kill was particularly funny :) ISS is an industrial alliance, and we will not make aggressive claims or actions against anyone unless they directly attack us, and the interests of the many shareholders in the Marginis Outpost. We have repeatedly said we are open to an NAP. What more are we supposed to do? I personally believe that in the lack of this, and in light of your consistent hostility, its time to start more actively protecting our members until we can agree to the NAP which we hope we can work toward. :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:06:00 - [103] Originally by: Goodtime Girl All I see when he undocks in either one of his Dreads or Carriers ... Is you running .......tbh I would suggest you get enough firepower to finish the job and put all the forum *****ing in actions but looking at you past performances killing T1 frigates and haulers really isnt a "war winning" formula. The only reason we leave the sation when he's there is theres no point wasting ammo on him. If we start to take him down he will dock. He's always in docking range, and he knows as soon as he leaves docking range he will get killed. In fact the one time he ventured out past the station he lost his dread in 2 minutes. Anyways you guys are putting up more of a fight thats for sure. Hopefully you keep it up its good experience for your alliance and its good fun for us. Being able to defend yourselves without the need for hired guns gives you legitimacy in 0.0.. without it you have no future out here.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:15:00 - [104] Butter Dog = Bagdad Bob. You're a DOODY-HEAD!
semp	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:18:00 - [105] Originally by: Goodtime Girl I speak for myself and not for Mongo. All I see when he undocks in either one of his Dreads or Carriers ... Is you running .......tbh His task is to keep the station clear, and by all the moaning in local and on these boards he must be doing a good job. Now we can all talk about fair fight etc etc but lets be honest its not really going to happen. You send 20 and then complain because "the 1" has bigger ship than you. I would suggest you get enough firepower to finish the job and put all the forum *****ing in actions but looking at you past performances killing T1 frigates and haulers really isnt a "war winning" formula. Mongo has already lost one Dread to us, more to follow belive me.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Butter Dog Fact is, ISS and associated forces claimed far more kills than we took as losses over the weekend, and we are looking forward to more of the same :) Bagdad Bob speaks!!! You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:30:00 - [107] Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 28/02/2006 16:33:51 Quote: Mongo has already lost one Dread to us, more to follow belive me And I'm sure he "smiled" about it ..... no point having ships if you not prepared to fight with them. We all know that dreads are "very fragile" and can be jammed in "non-sieged mode" with a single frigate. And the only time I normally see him dock is when 20-30 Hacs / Battleships warp to the station ... IO would say thats kinda smart tbh. But if the idea is to keep the station clear, then his dreads clearly fill the role ... even when your screaming at him on TS because his gone AFK "walking his dogs". As for the rest of the system, then the multi carriers you know facing seem to be making KDF safer each day. As the ISS Military gets bigger you becoming less of a threat and more of a training exercise ....... Its already been mentioned, the ISS wants nothing more than peace but don't kick a sleeping dog and then complain when he turns round and bites you.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:34:00 - [108] I don't in all honesty think more Capital Ship losses are likely at the moment, to be fair. We've more capital ships than ever before and we are honing our tactics :) As Raid said, we are becoming more aggressively defensive, and this shift in focus is certainly needed if we are to reduce our reliance on mercenaries, as you rightly point out. New PvP experienced blood in the ISSN to control ISS gangs is a key part of that. We're helping the industrialists to help themselves, and its good fun. Of course, in an ideal world, we would no doubt prefer not to spend ISK on mercs to deal with hostiles such as CC. But such is life :) btw who is Bagdad Bob? ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:42:00 - [109] Originally by: Butter Dog btw who is Bagdad Bob? The Iraqi Propaganda Minister who said that they were slaughtering the Americans outside the gates of Baghdad. So basically you. We had 17 - 20 ships when we jumped into KDF. You had atleast 20 on that gate and 50 more in system / within a jump. Not to mention you had a carrier attaching fighters to that camp, I know because they killed me. (again, the ONLY battleship loss) You outnumbered us, outgunned us, and we still massacred you. And if you knew anything about fleet fighting, sitting ontop of a gate when your heavily outnumbered is somewhat of a stupid idea. Its called tactics buddy. But sorry, you don't seem to have a grasp on them.
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:13:00 - [110] Originally by: Butter Dog I speak for myself here, not my alliance, but I personally believe your days of controlling that pipe are numbered unless you start acting a little more intelligently and making a few more friends. Oh no! The alliance that's doesn't have any territorial ambitions want's us to follow their orders or they'll run us out of town! Oh, please post more Bagdad Bob. Please! You're a DOODY-HEAD!

Goodtime Girl	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:17:00 - [111] LoL @ Kristoffer The last we saw of you was your "high tailing it thru" ZX
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:34:00 - [112] Originally by: Kristoffer We had 17 - 20 ships when we jumped into KDF. You had atleast 20 on that gate and 50 more in system / within a jump. Not to mention you had a carrier attaching fighters to that camp, I know because they killed me. (again, the ONLY battleship loss) You outnumbered us, outgunned us, and we still massacred you. You're quite simply wrong. KDF is not used just by the ISS, in case you had not noticed. Most ISS members are not PvPers. Of those 50 in local, a good proportion would have been neutrals or industrialists within the station. There were also a large number of Stain Empire people who were using the station at the time. Our original fleet of 53 would have massacred you, and you sensibly chose not to engage. Well done, hiding from an Industrial Alliance, very brave. But that fleet was no longer in existence when you entered KDF so you need to stop deluding yourself that you killed 'our fleet'. You didn't, you killed an much smaller (10-15?) assembly of T1 ships no longer under fleet command. Congratulations on that, but to say you fully engaged our original fleet, or that 50 people were ready to warp in from somewhere else is ludicrous. And untrue. You're a PvP alliance - of course you're better than an Industrial Alliance at PvP. Does this make you special? Hardly. Are ISS getting better at actively defending themselves? Certainly. For us to get any decent kills off you in pretty good for an industrial alliance, and we have wiped out quite a few of your gank squads. With regard to you warping around KDF, our task is to defend the station from hostiles. You sitting at 500k isnt exactly an urgent threat. We engage when we want to, not when you get bored. Maybe you should try targetting a PvP alliance if you find the combat in KDF boring, or is that a little outside your capabilities? ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 17:41:00 - [113] This is hilarious!!! Please post more - I love fairy tales! If ISS is an industrial corp THEN GET BACK TO YULAI where you belong. Don't pretend you have no territorial ambitions whilst hiding behind hired guns! Lets not forget how this began - We did not target KDF until AFTER you had hired your merc goons to try and control the corridor. We have controlled the Doril pipe from the day CCP opened the Sendaya gate, I should know - coz I was the first pilot thru it (I have the screen shot). We have done nothing but protect our space and responded to ISS's aggression. We will continue to do so until you realise that you can't go pushing people around just so you can earn the next BILLION ISK! DOWN WITH THE CAPATILIST PIGS! LONG LIVE THE REBELLION!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:02:00 - [114] Originally by: Rebekah We have done nothing but protect our space and responded to ISS's aggression. So flying unarmed haulers through the pipe is considered 'aggression' is it You obviously like having us as easy targets because it boosts your egos and allows you to post 'newsflashes' regarding kills against an industrial alliance. So by all means carry on. We have more than enough ships and ISK to cause a little pain in return and any losses you inflict are never going to harm our overall operations. Its a fight you simply cannot win. We're adapting our tactics. The Enyo we spotted on a gate and killed last night in Utopia with a couple of T1 frigs is one such example. You popped the fully insured T1 frigs with a little fleet which warped in trying to save the poor Enyo, so that little 'op' cost us all of... ooh, zero ISK. A small example of the kind of the kind fun we expect to have with you in the future :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:16:00 - [115] Originally by: Butter Dog Fine, a fleet of 15 were wiped out for 1 loss (I think it was Litom). 15 vs 70, we inflicted more damage isk wise aswell, btw didn't see you there only that shinra alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:25:00 - [116] Edited by: Rebekah on 28/02/2006 18:30:56 Originally by: Butter Dog So flying unarmed haulers through the pipe is considered 'aggression' is it You obviously like having us as easy targets because it boosts your egos and allows you to post 'newsflashes' regarding kills against an industrial alliance. So by all means carry on. We have more than enough ships and ISK to cause a little pain in return and any losses you inflict are never going to harm our overall operations. Its a fight you simply cannot win. You see, this sums it up - You talk about "unarmed haulers" and "industrial alliances" but then you show your true colours when you say that we "are never going to harm our overall operations. Its a fight you simply cannot win." Its like saying that targeting German trains during the war was not valid targets - Those "peaceful" little haulers you refer to carry the fuel for your POSs - the components for your capital ships - in short, the building blocks of your imperialist machine. That is why we target your haulers because it gets you where it hurts and that is why you keep going on about it. Just stop playing the victim here - You are Imperialists not Industrialists AND WE WILL RESIST YOU TO THE LAST MAN!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:57:00 - [117] Oh, just NAP us... You know you want to really You can come on an ISS mining op if you're really good :p ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:58:00 - [118] I would go so far as to say the ISS is nothing but glorified arms dealers! You sell weapons and war ships to friends and enemies and dont care whos being shot as long as people are firing and dieing! That cant be stoped in empire space, but out here your haulers are far from unarmed and innocent.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Butter Dog You can come on an ISS mining op if you're really good :p Only if i can get a screenshot of mongo mining in his naglfar. At least that way i get to see him actually using a capital ship.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:05:00 - [120] Originally by: Raid Only if i can get a screenshot of mongo mining in his naglfar. At least that way i get to see him actually using a capital ship. LOL I'm sure that can be arranged. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.

Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.03.01 01:15:00 - [121] Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 01/03/2006 01:17:57 Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, just NAP us... You know you want to really You can come on an ISS mining op if you're really good :p We'll have to convoy to Litom to refine the ore, though Originally by: Raid I would go so far as to say the ISS is nothing but glorified arms dealers! As for ISS being arms dealers, we have no control over what people put on the market for sale. Blaming ISS for being the purveyor of combat ships is like blaming GalNet for being the purveyor of naughty slaver holoreels.
Zooish	Posted - 2006.03.01 04:35:00 - [122] Well Curse Coalition, you got spanked today ...... hows life when its equal numbers and were not flying haulers ... The funny thing was you coming back with a 18 man fleet and losing two on the other side of the gate while you tried to get the courage to jump in..... 18 against the 3 ships at the gate .. even you must be able to fight with those odds. Please come back soon, the is PvP training and the hostiles don't shoot back
Raid	Posted - 2006.03.01 05:00:00 - [123] Originally by: Zooish Edited by: Zooish on 01/03/2006 04:52:44 Well Curse Coalition and friends, you got spanked today ...... hows life when its equal numbers and were not flying haulers ... The funny thing was you coming back with a 18 man fleet and losing two on the other side of the gate while you tried to get the courage to jump in..... 18 against the 3 ships on the other side .. even you must be able to fight with those odds. Please come back soon, the is PvP training and the hostiles don't shoot back Your battleships spent the entire time 150km away. Whenever the fight wasnt 150km away you would warp to your station and sit there in docking range. As for getting "spanked"... LOL hardly. If your alliance had any sense of communication the dozen or so pilots that wandered into our fleet would not have gotten killed. Check your scanner for corpses, there is a surprisingly large number of ISS corpses in KDF and surrounding systems. So before you go saying you spanked us, keep in mind while not sitting 150km away from you we were out there massacring your alliance.
Innsu	Posted - 2006.03.01 07:53:00 - [124] Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, just NAP us... You know you want to really You can come on an ISS mining op if you're really good :p please please please dont mention the 'm' word, Not our idea of fun!
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.01 09:30:00 - [125] KDF-GY is certainly proving an interesting, up and coming place to be these days. I'm far from what you'd call a hardcore combat pilot, but I'm learning (admittedly, somewhat slowly). I shall suggest to members of the ISS Diplomacy team, that they get in touch. It might be we can't figure out something, but at least we can have a nice chat :). -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:26:00 - [126] Originally by: Raid Your battleships spent the entire time 150km away. Whenever the fight wasnt 150km away you would warp to your station and sit there in docking range. As for getting "spanked"... LOL hardly. If your alliance had any sense of communication the dozen or so pilots that wandered into our fleet would not have gotten killed. Check your scanner for corpses, there is a surprisingly large number of ISS corpses in KDF and surrounding systems. So before you go saying you spanked us, keep in mind while not sitting 150km away from you we were out there massacring your alliance. Oh, sitting 150km from the gate and not engaging. That sounds kind of familiar... Doril on sunday night ring any bells :p Couple of things to bear in mind here: You're fighting a non-PvP alliance and we're still killing lots of your ships :) The large number of corpses are due to this - we fit fully insured T1 suicide squads (ships handed out free to volunteers) and after killing a T2 ship, we get a free clone jump back to Marginis courtesy of your ammo Actually, only yesterday we took out a Taranis, and the day before an Enyo, using only a T1 frig suicide gang of PvP noobs. And three of the people in the little gang had never even PvP'd before or used Teamspeak, haha. Nice one CC. We're not in it for the killmails you see, we're playing a more intelligent game than that. You are welcome to collect as many of our corpses as you like, while we train up a new generation of PvPers. :) ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Rebekah	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:44:00 - [127] Originally by: Butter Dog Actually, only yesterday we took out a Taranis, and the day before an Enyo, using only a T1 frig suicide gang of PvP noobs. And three of the people in the little gang had never even PvP'd before or used Teamspeak 2006.02.28 22:13 Victim: Butter Dog Alliance: Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Destroyed: Incursus System: Litom Security: 0.0 2006.02.28 22:14 Victim: Butter Dog Alliance: Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Destroyed: Capsule System: Litom Security: 0.0 So ... Hmmm ... always know you were a nOOb!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.01 12:47:00 - [128] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/03/2006 12:49:06 Haha, very funny :) I was leading the gang for the benefit of the non-PvPers :) Here's what we got in return for that Incursus: 2006.02.28 22:13 Victim: DrDevice Alliance: None Corp: The Priory Destroyed: Taranis System: Litom Security: 0.0 :p ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
semp	Posted - 2006.03.01 13:38:00 - [129] Careful guys, your not allowed to post killmails on the forums, would hate to get this thread locked, when were having so much fun :)
Archonon	Posted - 2006.03.01 14:11:00 - [130] Can i post the ISS freighter's Kill ? rolf - Good luck CC&friends have a lot of t2&fun - _______________________ XIII's member in local and all docked in Curse XIII's fleet around -V-'s dread and they called for Blob-jamming-Backup

Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.03.01 15:39:00 - [131] Originally by: Archonon Can i post the ISS freighter's Kill ? rolf - Good luck CC&friends have a lot of t2&fun - Only if CC gets to post the RA dread kill LORF
Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.03.01 16:03:00 - [132] Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: Archonon Can i post the ISS freighter's Kill ? rolf - Good luck CC&friends have a lot of t2&fun - Only if CC gets to post the RA dread kill LORF You're a DOODY-HEAD!
semp	Posted - 2006.03.01 16:23:00 - [133] Edited by: semp on 01/03/2006 16:23:43 The Mongo kill (Dread) and the RA Kill (dread) are both on this thread, as for RA posting their kills/and other jibber jabber here.....make your own thread !!! f1 f2 f3
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.01 17:13:00 - [134] Originally by: semp Edited by: semp on 01/03/2006 16:23:43 The Mongo kill (Dread) and the RA Kill (dread) are both on this thread, as for RA posting their kills/and other jibber jabber here.....make your own thread !!! f1 f2 f3 Yeah! you tell them! PS - Want to NAP and fight RAT? ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.03.01 20:04:00 - [135] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: semp The Mongo kill (Dread) and the RA Kill (dread) are both on this thread, as for RA posting their kills/and other jibber jabber here.....make your own thread !!! f1 f2 f3 Yeah! you tell them! PS - Want to NAP and fight RAT? Mmm, targets
Distrans	Posted - 2006.03.01 21:17:00 - [136] Not quite sure if this is on topic, allow for a jealous inquiry: Butter Dog what is it You apply to get that wicked hairdo done, illegal? I have been messing around but the spikes keep springing up, alas... The dreadful sight alone must make our bald friends at Tyrell tumble!
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:23:00 - [137] haha, Actually my hair in RL is very similar (but without the red bit). I use this 'matte paste' stuff - texture without the shine :P ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:42:00 - [138] Originally by: Distrans Not quite sure if this is on topic, allow for a jealous inquiry: Butter Dog what is it You apply to get that wicked hairdo done, illegal? I have been messing around but the spikes keep springing up, alas... The dreadful sight alone must make our bald friends at Tyrell tumble! When Butter was still a freshman pod-pilot, he stuck his finger in a pod-socket on a dare. He looks relatively normal for someone who's had thirteen operations, doesn't he?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.05 23:04:00 - [139] NEWSFLASH After a joint ISS/IAC fleet of 30 ships leisurely camped Curse for about 45 minutes, popping a few decent ships in the process, CC finally realised (despite having 3 Priory in the system) and began massing against the 'threat' of someone who dares allow neutral traffic use the Doril pipe. In time honoured tradition, they refused to engage without superior numbers (yes even against carebears like us). They came to KDF with about 45 in gang, and even then lost a Manticore and took more ISK damage than us. After a few minutes sitting outside our station wondering what to do, they left. Well done CC, another fine example of PvPing at its best. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
DogTyred	Posted - 2006.03.05 23:22:00 - [140] Bagdad Bob strikes again. I think you'll find we were pretty well even numbers to your fleet parked outside station, and you all docked, but hey that's what happens when you get trained by Mongo i guess, is it some kinda docking script you use there ? . After waiting for 30 mins for some activity we left.

Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.05 23:27:00 - [141] You're a self claimed PvP alliance. We are an industrial alliance. And in pretty much every fight I've encountered with CC, we've inflicted more ISK damage than you. Seems like you're the ones who need lessons in PvP. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
olan2005	Posted - 2006.03.06 01:00:00 - [142] bet that was expensive
Mezrein	Posted - 2006.03.06 04:47:00 - [143] Originally by: Rebekah ### NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINE ### jibber jabba I thought id take the time to assist your reporting and correct some of your facts On the 26th ISS did indeed form a large fleet - the sole purpose of which was to engage the hostile fleet camping doril, mainly curse coalition and im sure some of your allies were present in the system. Gang size never surpassed 37, 7 of which were battleships, we were later joined by several IAC ships that followed us to dorill, no battleships a handful of interceptors and frigates. On our approach of dorill CC decided that instead of engaging us on the gate with their full fleet, which it self was around 30 ships strong 10 of which were long range battleships, CC left the gate and took up sniper positions. We were quite happy to engage your full force on the gate knowing you had position and that we would eventually have to warp out and probably loose many ships in the process. We were all set for close range combat having no battleships capable of fighting at your range it was a battle we could never have won. However it was not to be what could have been a hard fought battle on the gate between two equal fleets (1 better equipped, trained and with position, the other greater in numbers) turned into a 150km sniping contest. We relised what you had planned and immediatly on jumping into doril warped away from the gate as the cc snipers came into range. We spent a short time in local with scouts all over the system hoping the CC fleet would form up on a gate or station where we could engage but alas they remained at a safespot, there was no other choice but to return to kdf. After reaching KDF the majority of the fleet docked and a few minutes break had been agree'd upon, however several ships from the fleet remained outside camping the zx gate. A communication break down between scouts and the remaining ships resulted in the small group of 10-20ships engaging a much larger curse coalition and CDC fleet on the gate. It didnt go well for the iss group obviously. " ... so much for the penguins!" I'm glad to see CC thinks so highly of us It has been a hard week, we have had the best from many alliances come down on us and we have fought when ever possible , we are not ones to shy away from a fight. CC/CDC/BOB/SA/RA/RAT and the odd random pirates all come to play around kdf (apologies if i forgot you) we will continue to do our best to welcome hostiles with open arms and loaded cannons. ABP is recruiting
Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.03.06 05:09:00 - [144] Originally by: Butter Dog You're a self claimed PvP alliance. We are an industrial alliance. And in pretty much every fight I've encountered with CC, we've inflicted more ISK damage than you. Seems like you're the ones who need lessons in PvP. What are you on? You came to Litom, we assembled to meet you. You brought a Carrier into Litom. Then you run away. You play warrior, and then run away when the real warriors come.
semp	Posted - 2006.03.06 07:19:00 - [145] "CC/CDC/BOB/SA/RA/RAT" For a Alliance claiming neutrality in 0.0 space, thats quite a fan club you've got going already. Maybe you can start selling T shirts ? FRONT "I went to ISS Space, but all i got was this stupid kill mail." BACK Copy of the pilots kill mail as they jumped into ISS Space
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.06 08:34:00 - [146] Edited by: Butter Dog on 06/03/2006 08:36:54 Originally by: semp "CC/CDC/BOB/SA/RA/RAT" For a Alliance claiming neutrality in 0.0 space, thats quite a fan club you've got going already. Maybe you can start selling T shirts ? Well, of those CC, CDC, and RAT are little more than common pirates. We expect to be targeted by them. BoB see us as targets of opportunity but are not openly hostile toward us and have said openly on these forums that they respect what we are trying to do. SA and RA also see us as targets of opportunity. The difference is, these PvP alliances actually spend their time fighting other PvP alliances and we respect them for that. You on the other hand just low-level pirate in the Doril pipe and send the odd fleet to KDF to lock down a small segment of an industrial alliance every now and then, gaining nothing in the process. The mark of our increasing success is that CC/CDC can no longer send small groups of random pirates to KDF. You have to come with nothing short of your whole fleet these days, and even then we generally destroy more ISK than you. We consider this a vast improvement on the previous security situation and are very happy with how events are progressing in our favour to date. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.06 10:33:00 - [147] Originally by: Kristoffer You brought a Carrier into Litom. We didnt bring any capital ships into Litom. We noticed the cyno field too, it wasnt ours. We know who it belonged to, and if your scouts were any good, you would too. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.03.06 11:43:00 - [148] Originally by: DogTyred Bagdad Bob strikes again. I think you'll find we were pretty well even numbers to your fleet parked outside station, and you all docked, but hey that's what happens when you get trained by Mongo i guess, is it some kinda docking script you use there ? . After waiting for 30 mins for some activity we left. We had a gang of 34, only 11 of us in Battleships. You had 8 scorpions, we had 2....go figure.... Oh and w.r.t. the Cyno fields, one of them turned out to be an RA pilot (we thought it was you guys) the second one in Litom (which we also thought was you guys) turned out to be neutral - Office Linebacker -
Gypsy Djinn	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:00:00 - [149] Butter you are some piece of work, one minute you are preaching how you are a neutral entity and want to NAP everyone and their brother, the next you are slinging insults and smack like a 2 month old empire pirate. You come on these eve-online forums and spout off about how your alliance is a peaceful industrial entity that makes no claims to any region and only want neutrality in the area and out of the other side of your mouth how people are "common pirates" and are sub-par combatants and that your militarily superior forces are justified in killing (or more accurately hiring others to kill for you) these entities. I have news for you ISS and KDF are a side show, nothing more then a training exercise for our newer pilots to get use to fighting in larger squads so that when we take them into battles with real enemies and camp fleets that pose a real threat they will be use to the organized discipline that is required to fight in large groups. We don't focus on ISS or IAC, nor have we ever brought the full weight of our attentions to bear on either, your pilots are killed for the exact same type of things that you have posted here, and will continue to be until such time as you learn your place in the hierarchy of EvE. Your "mark of success" against VIRII and cDc is ludicrous at best, we don't send small groups to KDF because we have directed our pilots to other areas that we have decided are of more strategic importance. We are not a large entity, maybe 1/8 the size of ISS and quite a bit less then the combined numbers of ISS and IAC and while our small gangs are quite successful when out hunting when we decide to move in force or fight an enemy in force we naturally have to focus our forces in those areas. I am not sure what mathematical formula you are using to determine that you have the upper hand against cDc in any areas let alone damage in terms of ISK cost, but by my calculations you are no where near being in the black. If however you dispute this I am more then willing to provide hard evidence to back my claim, as I am sure you can provide to back your farcical claims. I find your posts and actions to be licentious at best, but perhaps you just don't know any better and feel being boisterously mendacious is in your and your alliance's best interest, you will however find you are sadly mistaken. Now I am sure from reading your posts that you are not one of the most informed members of the EvE community, so I will offer you some free advice, if you truly are concerned with your alliance and its future I suggest you do everything in your power to avoid us changing our minds about you being unworthy of our full attention. All forum nonsense aside maybe you should ask around about what happens to alliances that VIRII decides are focused targets before you go slandering us in a public forum, maybe even heed the warning that one of your biggest investors sent and not provoke us, because in the end those are the real people you have to worry about, not outside forces. When your investors decide that you are no longer able to manage and secure their investment they will find someone who can, and in short order. The more I read these forums the more I am coming to the conclusion that the inhabitants of the RNF-KDF area are in serious need of more attention and the lessons that the pilots in those areas will learn from that. Maybe as a service to your investors, many of which are very close friends of VIRII and cDc, we should show them just what a precarious position their investment is in, so they can find more suitable persons with a more realistic and civil approach to manage it. V I R I I HeadQuarters http://virii.homeip.net V I R I I - We Are Here For Your Daughters
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:28:00 - [150] You're right. To a degree, I am posturing. I just find it amusing on some levels that our industrial alliance is starting to take more care of itself militarily. We've attained neutrality and friendly terms with many alliances and pirate organisations. We've tried talking NAP's with VIRII and CC, and we now understand its never going to happen. You're never going to stop attacking ISS traffic heading to KDF using the Doril pipe so we would never agree to an NAP in the absence of that. You may brag how VIRII is focusing on bigger things, but you spend your whole time gate camping and shooting at haulers the Doril pipe then claim its all some part of some wider 'masterplan' we're all unaware of. Kind of strange. We're far too decentralised for you to pose any real threat. If you want an NAP, that would be great. If you don't, we just don't care anymore. You're a non-issue and a managable size for us to encourage ISS members to practice PvP against. Its not co-incidence that low-level pirating in KDF is greatly reduced. We are responsible for that, not you, and without bringing your whole fleet down you can't really do much. I have seen countless smaller VIRII gangs come down, hang at the gates when they realise we have an almost 23/7 military presence in KDF, and then turn back with their tails between their legs. We respect you as PvPers, to be sure, but we have 1300 members spread across the 4 corners of EVE. Its simply not possible to wage a sustained campaign against such a decentralised alliance, as I'm sure you recognise yourself. Fact is, ISS stands for something, and its achieved great things. And you? Well you gank haulers in the Doril pipe. I know which organisation I would rather be a part of. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com

Lt Hole	Posted - 2006.03.06 16:31:00 - [151] Originally by: Butter Dog The ISS Navy is recruiting. Quote: And remember folks, the ISS charter doesn't have a "be a man" clause so it's real easy to get in! You're a DOODY-HEAD!
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.03.06 18:13:00 - [152] I'm pretty sure this thread has served its purpose. Gypsy has given as close to an official position of CDC and CC has is going to be posted here. This thread is as far off its original topic as could be imagined and is devolving into flaimbait. Anytime a mod would like to lock this circus it would be much appreciated. Any further disputes I'm sure will be settled on the battlefield. Good luck ISS, you've really ****ed Gypsy off now, and that always ends bad, for everyone on the recieving end. Ok mods! Do your thing!
Doc Brown	Posted - 2006.03.06 20:10:00 - [153] Originally by: Butter Dog We've tried talking NAP's with VIRII and CC, and we now understand its never going to happen. You're never going to stop attacking ISS traffic heading to KDF using the Doril pipe so we would never agree to an NAP in the absence of that. So am I understanding you right, if there would be a NAP with ISS then we can't protect our space? We have long made residence in Curse and you (ISS) just decided to setup shop there one day without checking with the locals. Of course we're upset, and we mean to do something about it. _________________________________________________ There are no bad ideas, only bad implementations.
Raid	Posted - 2006.03.06 21:28:00 - [154] No more posts under this line please. =================================================
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:31:00 - [155] Originally by: Doc Brown So am I understanding you right, if there would be a NAP with ISS then we can't protect our space? We have long made residence in Curse and you (ISS) just decided to setup shop there one day without checking with the locals. Of course we're upset, and we mean to do something about it. Protect it from what exactly? Haulers using the Doril pipe? Of course we can't NAP you if you shoot at our haulers using the pipe. We know an NAP is not possible with you guys. Its in the interest of our shareholders to adopt a different, more aggressive approach to enforce law and order in KDF in response to pirating. And, where we can, its up to us to adopt that approach toward the Doril pipe (which by the way is claimed by NPC's, not you). ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.07 00:37:00 - [156] Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer I'm pretty sure this thread has served its purpose. Gypsy has given as close to an official position of CDC and CC has is going to be posted here. This thread is as far off its original topic as could be imagined and is devolving into flaimbait. Anytime a mod would like to lock this circus it would be much appreciated. Any further disputes I'm sure will be settled on the battlefield. Good luck ISS, you've really ***ed Gypsy off now, and that always ends bad, for everyone on the recieving end. Ok mods! Do your thing! We couldnt care less about someone dented ego. We've tried talking, we've been ganked countless times, we've had KDF bubble camped, we've lost hundreds of haulers, we have said so many times we would like an NAP. Its our* patience which has run out. And we need to do something about it for the sake of our many shareholders. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Yakti	Posted - 2006.03.07 12:54:00 - [157] CC, you are a helluva whining corp ... You remind me to that other corp, forgot the name ...
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.03.08 14:58:00 - [158] Originally by: Yakti CC, you are a helluva whining corp ... You remind me to that other corp, forgot the name ... Hi ISS alt :)
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.03.13 00:34:00 - [159] Edited by: Valkazm on 13/03/2006 00:55:58 Edited by: Valkazm on 13/03/2006 00:37:23 you guys are so funny about 5 hours ago we hear an iss frigate fleet enter curse region ... 5 people were killed in pods ... And to laugh the matter of ISS tells it was a suicide run since it was only frigates with about 15 frigates going down in flame ..so i love how you guys like to post your screenshots about you being in doril die .. and ISS navy aswell isnt that suppose to be the backbone of your defense and does suicide runs ? i dont think so you got*****y and you got killed ..we were asked why we didnt go to there home 1 hour later we were in ISS margians ... seriously you guys you got so many wars going on from all directions yet you want to push one on you aswell ... written by curse self proclaimed numero uno smacktalker Knock them down and ill stomp on there corpse you might remember that bagdad bob since you were there had to dock in your pod and a few hours later got a killmail on the killboad on your new little frigate hehe that was blasted in KDF ...
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.13 15:35:00 - [160] -- factual points only -- 1: T1 frigate suicide runs are profitable, since the insurance payout on the frigates is quite a lot higher than the build cost for us. 2: These ops are run for training purposes, to encourage comms discipline, to let the newer members get used to running in gangs, and to let them know that being killed is no big deal. We label them 'suicide runs' to actively encourage death and let them know losing the ship isnt a big deal. 3: They are fun, if we can take down a T2 frig in one, so much the better. Having fun is a good thing :) Suicide gangs are an established combat tactic in EVE. They are profitable, we do often kill valuable ships (we ran into HED just before coming to you and netted an AF), and they are fun. I'll not be posting on this thread anymore, but felt it right to address your points politely and factually :) See you in game :) ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com

Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.03.13 16:09:00 - [161] Edited by: Chain Gang on 13/03/2006 16:08:52 Plus its funnier killing CDC in T1 frigates ........... Phase 2 .... were movin to haulers so hopefully your undock
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.03.14 14:51:00 - [162] Interesting times around KDF, I wonder what the overall situation would be like if the Curse region stations could be conquered. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.03.14 22:04:00 - [163] lol conqured i would love to see that happen of course its possible though only in theory means getting past alot of people that live there and getting surronded .. but as said i would love to see that ... would be loads of fun .. But if that was easy well then i think it would have been done ages ago .. unless you want us to conquer them which its pointless they are already ours
Androclese	Posted - 2006.03.15 18:10:00 - [164] I have heard that the Cursed Coalition were hit pretty hard from Doril to the J7 area recently by pirate or PVP corps. But I can't find any info on this at all anywhere. Whats the story behind this? Is this true or have you kicked them out or NAP'd with them. If you have NAP'd, why did you? Please give us linkies for the killmails etc please if something did happen. I allways find this area in the EVE world interesting.
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.03.16 05:28:00 - [165] clasfied
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.03.16 13:27:00 - [166] Originally by: Androclese I have heard that the Cursed Coalition were hit pretty hard from Doril to the J7 area recently by pirate or PVP corps. But I can't find any info on this at all anywhere. Whats the story behind this? Is this true or have you kicked them out or NAP'd with them. If you have NAP'd, why did you? Please give us linkies for the killmails etc please if something did happen. I allways find this area in the EVE world interesting. I would assume it is E-R you are talking about. We had some nice fights with them (see the video section) but it quickly became apperent we have similar enemies and non-conflicting goals so there was little point in keeping the fight going. The enemy of your enemy is your friend :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.03.16 16:20:00 - [167] E-R don't have 'enemies' as such, they are a first-rate PvP corp, and go on campaigns and change these campagins regularly. They just happened to have finished fighting with you, thats all. Check their website.
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.03.16 18:07:00 - [168] Originally by: Mr Trouble E-R don't have 'enemies' as such, they are a first-rate PvP corp, and go on campaigns and change these campagins regularly. They just happened to have finished fighting with you, thats all. Check their website. So 5 days of fighting is a campaign? But I fail to see the relevance here, the question was not why E-R NAPed us, their reasons are their own. It was why we NAPed E-R. E-R are still operating in our area and had it not been for the fact that they decided to go after targets we also hunt I am fairly certain we would still be fighting them. CC and cDc do not NAP people just for the fun of it. So the initial answer still stands. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:21:00 - [169] ehh see video section would love some links here
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:20:00 - [170] Edited by: Krackerjack on 17/03/2006 11:20:17 Originally by: Hoshi So 5 days of fighting is a campaign? But I fail to see the relevance here, the question was not why E-R NAPed us, their reasons are their own. It was why we NAPed E-R. E-R are still operating in our area and had it not been for the fact that they decided to go after targets we also hunt I am fairly certain we would still be fighting them. CC and cDc do not NAP people just for the fun of it. So the initial answer still stands. With respect Hoshi, you miss his point. They run campaigns of various lengths against targets they choose. You happened to be one of them, then the campaign ended. This is confirmed on their website. They don't have pre-set 'enemies' because their campaigns constantly change - they are enemies with whoever they choose to fight at any given moment, and this may or may not be the same as your enemies. Its typical of recent CC forum output to claim they were somehow the victors in all of this, but when you look at the E-R website, a different picture emerges. It wasnt a masterstroke of diplomacy, you got a spanking and requested an NAP. And I might add - you just NAP anyone to ensure your tenuous survival in Curse, including the universally despised (though respected) CDC. Its a shame CC have stooped so low, its quite a fall from grace. I wonder what the future hold for you, will be interesting to see how things pan out. It will be interesting to see if CDC turn on you at some point. They could profit nicely from doing that after all.

Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:52:00 - [171] You honestly don't know what your talking about, do you?
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:58:00 - [172] Originally by: Kristoffer You honestly don't know what your talking about, do you? Well you are welcome to address my points intelligently, and we can debate them - but just saying that proves nothing.
Tyrian Solteuer	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:21:00 - [173] All CC & CDC pilots are instructed to terminate all discussion in this thread. If you have problems or complaints with this please address your corp CEOs in game, or convo me for clarification. Continuing this flame fest is pointless and the thread should be locked. Official statements are pending. Please do not test our resolve on this matter guys, this thread has gone on long enough.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:35:00 - [174] LOL CC started this thread, now they don't look so good in it they want it locked? There wasnt any real flaming going on anyway, just a bit of banter.
Akyrl	Posted - 2006.03.18 21:50:00 - [175] This has been an interesting thread to read through ... the bantering has been quite enjoyable as well. However, there is a question left in my mind that I didn't have a good answer to upon reaching the end of the thread. I will preface this with saying that I am not a fan of the anti-neutral policy in Curse. I am also one who has been podded by a Tyrell Corp member coming through as a neutral with only the intent of passing through (right near the gate with no warning, explanation, or opportunity to find out what the rules of that region are afterwards). Anyway, live and learn. I also find what ISS is trying to accomplish quite interesting in allowing for a viable neutral-based economy in 0.0 space and it seems to open up some interesting new dynamics in the game. If it is important for Curse Coalition to keep neutral pilots out of their space, I can understand their concerns about opening up the corridor to KDF. It is a lot easier to control traffic through a choke point from empire space than it is to make sure neutral pilots only keep to the corridor path. I can also understand ISS affiliates protecting space that is declared as friendly to neutrals and retaliating against when others come in to make it otherwise. The part that is not clear to me is what the intent is specifically around the Doril-KDF corridor. If ISS is not able to negotiate terms that would make the corridor accessible to neutral pilots (there seems to be all kinds of creativity that could be applied to this, like only with CC escort or only haulers or who knows what else) what I would have expected to see is a statement that Marginis clients should not use the Doril-KDF corridor as there are no agreements to provide for their safety there. What I am left wondering is whether or not ISS is really saying that it will make that corridor safe using what ever means necessary even if that means by force. If that is the case, I think the corporations in that region do have reason to be concerned. And for other corporations that do happen to agree on the access to neutral space policies, what happens when it is another topic down the road when there isnÆt agreement and it infringes on your corporations ability to survive in 0.0 space? Anyway, it certainly has me thinking over where neutral industrial corporation stops and ruling super power begins.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.03.20 00:27:00 - [176] As I understand it, ISS certainly do not protect neutrals using the pipe. They don't expect Curse Coalition to change their NBSI policy. They are hostile toward CC because CC attacked them first, and continue to do so. What CC do in their space is their own business, but ISS have every right to protect their own members against hostiles. But they have no ambitions beyond that, everyone knows ISS wish to be NAP'd where possible, but sometimes small minded corporations with no strategic direction themselves (CDC/CC) will target them because, quite simply, they have nothing better do to. Its silly really, because without the KDF outpost CC/CDC wouldnt get half as many pirate kills in the pipe. Why they are hostile to ISS I have no idea though. But they are, and ISS have every right to defend themselves.


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