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Nootami
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:37:00 -
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BB has been used for Battleship in wargames?
Eve is not a wargame.
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lord zoran
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Posted - 2003.08.27 23:48:00 -
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I have been told that CCP have a section on this, it was in another thread.
BB blackbird
BS battleship
and so on.
I go with the people who designed the game, u guys can go with whatever you want.
Its just pixels, if they call that pixel a BB or BS, then it is, like DARTH says, its not up to us, its not real life. CCP choose, they have chosen. cant really explain it much more than that.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2003.08.28 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: NeoMorph on 28/08/2003 00:27:50
If I recall correctly a Battleship is BB a Heavy Cruiser is a CA and a Light Cruiser is a CL... Frigates are FF for normal and FFA for heavy.
Now what the heck does the A stand for?
Awfullybig?
And on the Battleship situation my nephew really impresses me now as he has just told me he has a BB gun 
Oh yeah... and one class that seems to be missing in EVE is the destroyer (DD)
To be honest though you could use a better method of id for EVE ships by using B1 for a lvl 1 battleship C3 for a level 3 cruiser etc...
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.08.28 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 28/08/2003 01:33:32
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BattleShip = BS
Blackbird = BB
Theres not two B's in Battleship so it cant possibly be BB.
(BS can also mean bullsh*t)
UMMM BB is the U.S. Naval Designation for all Battleships in Fact I think Most of the Standing Navies use this designation
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Armament 12 x 14"/50 14 x 5"/51, 4 x 3"/50AA 2 x 21" tt.
Armor, 13 1/2" Belt, 18" Turrets, 3 1/2" +1 1/2" Decks, 16" Conning Tower.
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Malloy
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Posted - 2003.08.28 11:32:00 -
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Oh God! Look what you've done! You've set the Americans off on one of their crusades.
Personally I think it's down to what makes more sense. I've got used to bb = blackbird and bs (despite the other meaning) = battleship. i don't care what the U.S. navy uses. bb for a battleship makes no sense to me. however, whoever posted with that b1 = level 1 bs and c3 = level 3 cruiser had a point. THAT'S a system that makes sense.
Do we have to say 'niner' instead of nine now too?
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Da'Tol
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:06:00 -
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So since we call the spacecraft a ship and the US navy calls their battleships BB we have to call them BB ?
LOL, please get real!
Last time I checked the US navys ships where sailing in water...
Air Planes on the other hand where up in the sky (well close enough :) )
I suggest we go look for a suitable US airforce term for big plane that can fire laser guns and use that one instead.
OR we stick to the term that CCP use for the battleships so we don't get confused :)
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:47:00 -
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omg who cares
Sass
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:28:00 -
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Since I'm convinced my Scorpion "little earthquakes" is actually a battlecruiser I'll duck the issue and call it a "BC".
With regard to the BS/BB debate, most of the problem is with BS being clear international shorthand for "bull****";
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"We need BS support at H-PA32!"
"What you want we should talk crap at them?"
BB is pretty much understood by most people with a grasp of military terminology and sounds better ;)
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Grigori di'Corci
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Posted - 2003.08.28 16:42:00 -
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YF is the US designation for experimental fighters, although unlike the ship class designations which are widely by the militaries worldwide, the US aircraft designations have never quite caught on. I have yet to see that fighter designation system used in any non-SF game.
Well, even if CCP were officially to endorse the naval designation system doesn't mean we have to. I can just see complaints of "why is a cruiser labelled CA by CCP it's confusing shouldn't CA be for carrier?" There really isn't enough "ship class" strategy for wars in EVE anyway.
Grigori di'Corci
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Kennian
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Posted - 2003.08.29 06:25:00 -
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ironicly enough, the US aircraft designations usualy make sence..
B=bomber
F=Fighter
F/A Fighter, Attack
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Astaroth
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Posted - 2003.08.29 13:33:00 -
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well BB is the naval design for battleships .. but whats even more important is that BB is what all science fiction literature calls battleships. But anyway its a game ill prolly use both BB and BS depending on who im talkin to. That is its not important which i use but that im understood.
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Cyrus Troy
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Posted - 2003.08.29 19:23:00 -
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Wow, I've watch this thread for a while and I can't believe it's gone on this long, so I'll perpetuate it even further! :) The reason someone would say, ôI am notö instead of saying, ôI ainÆtö, is because theyÆve received some basic education on how to speak English. ItÆs as simple as that. Little kids can run around when they are starting to learn ôChessö, and make the mistake of saying theyÆre going to move their ôCastleö when the correct name is ôRookö. When they say, ôIÆm going to take one of your little guys with my horseö, it doesnÆt matter, we know what they mean.
For the adults, the ones who have read science fiction and know some basic knowledge of military terms, for the adults that are more educated, we know better. When someone wants to talk about the battleship ôclassö of ship they would use the century old, world wide navy designation ôBBö, because ôBBö means Battleship. Maybe it deserves its own designation, but I might give the upcoming ôTitanö class ships a designation of ôDNö for Dreadnought.
Hope that clears it up. 
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.08.30 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 30/08/2003 04:46:21
CCP must stand for Communist Party or something, probably aptly describes the way fixes are applied to the game and for the customer service :)
Anyway, I thought these are the designations:
FF = Frigate
FFG = Guided Missile Frigate
DD = Destroyer
DDG = Guided Missile Destroyer
CL = Light Cruiser
CA = Heavy Cruiser
CG = Guided Missile Cruiser
CV = Carrier
CVL = Light Carrier
BB = Battleship
DN = Dreadnaught
I don't think this applies to the game here
BOP = Bird of Prey
IRW = Imperial Romulan Warbird
IKV = Imperial Klingon Vessel
USS = United Federation Starship
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.08.30 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 30/08/2003 04:54:03
Here's more:
CC = Command Cruiser
CLC = Command Light Cruiser
CB = Large Cruiser
DE = Destroyer Escort
DL = Destroyer Leader
CVAN = Nuclear powered carrier
SSN = Nuclear Sub
SSK = Killer Sub
SSB = Ballistic sub
And for the indies,
AK = Cargo Ship (A - Auxilliary)
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Lady Callisto
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Posted - 2003.08.30 09:09:00 -
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LOL we don't use US terms but English terms
so stop the BS
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Ghostrecon
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:28:00 -
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i dont care what is in navy or USarmy BB or BS. point is im not american im not english and for me BB or BS its like the same s**t. who care how it will. in my country Battelship is 'Lenejnij corabl' nad u can go to far away with urs problem BB of BS.
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Tassadar Beta
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Posted - 2003.08.30 13:06:00 -
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Urgh more gibberish
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Zaine Trance
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:04:00 -
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I don't think I've ever tried to put moduals on to BullSh*t so what does it matter if people call them BS?
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Koinski
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:38:00 -
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And what about BB guns?
Does that mean Battleships should only shoot little pellets?
I find this thread fascinating.
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BansheeBLN
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:29:00 -
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Man. This game must be very boring for you guys huh?
Discussing about stupid shipterms and letters. Boring is all i can say about this.
Very boring to be correct.
I am in the german army and yes, we are using these ugly and very dumb shortages too. But look. If you start with ships from WW2, remember this "Schlachtschiff Bismarck" You see? No BB or BS. It is very unimportant which letters are used here. We all know what is meant so why in hell are you discuss about this? Enjoy the game and have fun. If you really want to avoid missunderstandings write the full names of the ships you mean. Man. This sounds like screaming of little kids "He stole my toy." "No i didn't." As i said. It is very boring.
BTW.If you find some mistakes. Keep it. They're a free gift from me to you.
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2003.09.03 12:57:00 -
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BB is not bs, but BS is huge pile of bs. With all the bs ppl talk on his thread, you wonder, how much bs it takes to make up a full pile of bs, called BS.
Just because a developer of CCP had the insight to say "Battleships are BS",... that doesnt mean, that he meant to define the abbreviation for battleships BS. He prolly meant something different, to explicitly express his opinion (which is by the way true - the BB balance is BS).
Calling a BB BS is your opinion, but dont expect that anyone sane and educated wants to talk about BS, when you actually mean BB. 
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Mary Anne
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Posted - 2003.09.03 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Anne on 03/09/2003 13:15:29
Lets see:
On the last huge Jovian event, I went to FDZ-4A, there I found MASS BS. The MASS BS awaited the Jovian BS together with some Oracle BS, when finally some RUS BS dropped in. You might wonder, what happened when MASS BS messes with RUS BS and Jovian BS paired with Oracle BS? The clash of BS was incredible, in the end only MASS BS remained. So ends my BS story....
And honestly I dont like playing a game, where I need to fly in bs and for sure I dont like flying in BS. Some may like to fly in BS, but I consider flying in BS BS, therefore I will still fly a BB, while you may stay in all this BS. Cuz BS is BS - simple as that.
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BansheeBLN
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:25:00 -
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Why in hell did i tried to end this?
Why?
I mean, i should have known that i didn't even had a chance for that.
So. Go on and discuss that till death.
Good luck. I for myself will still call a Battleship a BS. Maybe sometimes BB. But i don't think so. Next week i get my BS Megathron. So i don't really care if it's BS or BB.
Have fun.
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Ghoste
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:29:00 -
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Who cares.... |
Mary Anne
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:50:00 -
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Quote:
Next week i get my BS Megathron. So i don't really care if it's BS or BB.
Have fun.
But why do you want to fly a Megathron, when it is BS? I would prefer a BB, which is not BS, like the Scorpion. Hmm ok, on the other hand TomB is rebalancing BB balance, so well a Scorpion might be BS soon also.
I feel with ya
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2003.09.03 21:31:00 -
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Just glad they didn't call the lesser Battleships Pocket Battleships, or forced it's captain to be of the rank of Rear Admiral.
Also we'd probably need a letter referring to the type of power source the ships use.
Like the CVN of nuclear carriers.
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Ataushu
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Posted - 2003.09.07 00:57:00 -
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Okay, hows this? http://www.history.navy.mil/books/OPNAV20-P1000/index.html
Contains the official list of all abbreviations.
BB = Battleship
BS = Battleship Squadron
I just love stiring things all up again
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2003.09.07 08:08:00 -
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lets see...if we are supposed to be role playing in the military aspects of this game (and im sure we can all agree there is a lot of military aspects in EVE), then...THEN WHY WOULDNT we get our influence from real world militaries?
BB = battleship, and to solve the conflict with the blackbird, it will be "bb" for the blackbird
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Bashier Tarr
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Posted - 2003.09.07 18:07:00 -
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I myself call them bships, frigates are frigs, cruisers are... well, cruisers, and industrials are indies. Never seen those cause confusion...
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The Lowlander
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Posted - 2003.09.07 22:42:00 -
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These aren't boats either. They are space ships. Geez. It's BS.
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