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Geestring	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:19:00 - [31] whats the search function on this forum... im getting disconnected every stargate... oh so the solution is to say nothing... keep quite and it'll get better.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:23:00 - [32] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 14/01/2006 03:22:58 Originally by: Geestring whats the search function on this forum... im getting disconnected every stargate... oh so the solution is to say nothing... keep quite and it'll get better. Yes. Make fewer obnoxious and irritating posts, and the devs might be a little less p*ssed at the ungrateful playerbase and be more motivated to solve the problem. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Geestring	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:26:00 - [33] heh? dont ** of the development team? hey wait a minute I thought I was the customer... ok they can get all **ed off if they want... at the end of the day their profit margins will eventually go down.
Geestring	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:28:00 - [34] anyways wheres the search to find the search the forums... haha
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Geestring anyways wheres the search to find the search the forums... haha Search the forums! -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Geestring heh? dont ** of the development team? hey wait a minute I thought I was the customer... ok they can get all *ed off if they want... at the end of the day their profit margins will eventually go down. I think CCP should have a policy where if you btch and moan enough, you cease to be the customer. In other words, too much whining = enforced vacation from EVE. EVE might be more fun if it were limited to the people who really enjoy and appreciate the game. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sorja	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:41:00 - [37] Cancel subscription. That's the only way to be heard, fanboyz are pathetic on these boards. I play both in 0.0 and Empire. Empire for cash and faction ships (no Caldari Raven in 0.0), 0.0 for PvP. The new mission systems are unplayable from 17:30 to 01:00 EVE time (go check Hageken and surroundings...) and fleet battles are impossible in EVE, regardless of the system. Will February bring the new cluster and solve all problems? It was a question.
Megadon	Posted - 2006.01.14 03:43:00 - [38] Hopefully enough people will get ***ed off and leave the game so the rest of us can play the game in peace and without lag! "The Battleships is and should be a solo pwnmobile."* - Oveur
Karazaan	Posted - 2006.01.14 04:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Juil ok for a start those who just go off at people who are getting sick and tired of the problems are the ones who really need to sit down shut up and stop being fracken fanboy's. If you can write, I guess I can. Quote: I love eve, but even I feel the lag and problems are becoming a joke. You look at the list of issues that people have reported vs the list of issues fixed, and just how big those issues are. People have a right to be complaining about them, they are paying good money for a service and they are NOT recieving that service, at all. How can you play a game when it takes at times 20 minutes to cross one System? How can you pvp when even in 0.0 space at times you have lag that means your dead before you even know it? That's really a problem but I hope the changes of hardwares and fixes will help. Quote: There is a problem at the moment with eve, CCP know about it but because of the new year and christmas it appears we've had to wait for a fix, which we shouldn't have to. We get a patch that comes out rather then the bugs fixed, we see them continue to leave trial accounts open, to not limit the server numbers. The Eve servers are groaning under the stress that is being placed on them, either CCP needs to start doing something fast or they are going to continue to get whines as people call them. I honestly call them legitament complaints about a service not delievered. Let them be a little, they are working hard (no arguments here, but I don't see any in your part etheir). Quote: Now on the other hand what could CCP be doing to help until there 'fancy' new servers are up? - Put a hard cap on the server population, and impliment queues. If I don't get access, I'm gonna be **ed. Quote: - Kill access for trial accounts. Well, if you really think that this is a problem, I would have a suggestion. Why not put all the trials on another server. Let's say a single computer that can manage some hundred users. A small universe of 2 constellations with 30 systems is there (with no 0.0, just 1.0 to 0.1 with heavy sentry, no need to create a free fight club). They have everything, market order created by other trials and GM. Some NPC, all the skills that is available to them now. When they pay to join, they go to a special Jump gate in a particular system (in the middle of the bunch) and activate it (only when they paid). Then they are sling-shooted into their proper startup system (like current schools) so they can play as a paying players. At least they will not come to interfere anymore AND we will not see 'Not available on trial account' on tranq. Quote: - Put an Idle Timer in that autokicks you after xhour of just sitting there mineing in the one spot (Most normal miners are at least willing to shift slightly every so often). Well, I would prefer a counter that autokicks you out after you killed let's say 10 players ships and 100 npc ships. Reason? You are using drones, missiles, ammos/effects. Everything that is killing the server while a nice ice miner for example ask the server once each 8 min if it can add some ice in it's hold while it stay completely still. PLEASE. Quote:** - Stop bringing out new fracken stuff and fix the old stuff and the bugs and issues, it might fix the load issues on the servers rather then adding to them. I pay for the frigging new stuff. No expansion or new realms to buy, it's all in my nice package and I love it. Guess I'm an old fan boy/man afterall.
Juil	Posted - 2006.01.14 05:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Karazaan ok for a start those who just go off at people who are getting sick and tired of the problems are the ones who really need to sit down shut up and stop being fracken fanboy's. ...... lot of stuff ;) Guess I'm an old fan boy/man afterall. Actually thanks for being some one who's willing to sit down and go 'this is a problem' rather then just stfup can i have your stuff? That is the main problem, I think with a lot of people on one side you have just those who yes Whine and complain. On the other side you have those who spam those complaining rather then sitting down and logically thinking things over. Moving test clients to there own server would be a great thing, when they go active, they just get copy'd to the live server or something like that, after all the patch server does that as it is but of course that defeats the purpose that ccp also claims 'NO SHARDS'. So we are unlikely to see it happen. The reason why some of us are shaking our heads at RMR and the like is with Cold War the problems increased, CCP knew about the load issues, the database crashes, etc.. we where also told it would be some time in 2006 that kali would come out which yeah ok, might be a wait but if it fixed the hardware issues, lets go for it. Instead we see RMR released, and along with it's release enough issues to make whole sections of the game unplayable. And of course in response to people complaining about it, which is the right of ANY customer, you have others saying it don't exist.. or it's your pc etc. Which in turn only works to inflame the entire situation more. We know it is NOT people's computers, the LAG is very real, the Connections lost are very real, the Entire sections of the cluster locking up from time to time is very real. The question a lot of people I think are really asking is why has it taken CCP this long to do anything really about it and with the problems why are they continuing to allow a customer base to expand when the equipment they have can not handle what is already there? 3 Months of waiting for a fix should not be required, to get the fix. From a programming viewpoint CCP should have had estimates on the total population the equipment they were running could run, the server cluster should then have been updated or expanded as these limits were approched. That is a fact of any corporation, business or even goverment facility. Now CCP can't say they didn't have the money, we have seen the response from them stating how many active subscribers they have, even if 3/4ths of that is in company up-keep, they are still making a fair slash of income. What it seems like is CCP didn't bother to plan for an increase such as they have had, and instead just went ohh money.. The reason you'll find that i made the comment about RMR's release is this: Yes I know we pay for the expansion of content, but that expansion should NOT come at the cost of watching the system fall further on it's a$$. Maybe RMR was 'meant' to have optimisation to fix a load of problems (Hey they said it did) but in the end it hasn't, they blamed drones and the industry system for the lag, the drones and the industry system where changed and still the lag. Which means that RMR hasn't worked. To add to that RMR then goes and says hey you can have a space station in .7 - .5 space now, so unless you need the few items that we don't let those stations produce you have even less reason to leave the 'hub' of the galaxy now. Instead wouldn't it be wiser to show the expansion of at least some 'law and order' and increase some of the 0.0 to .1 - .4 space (still pvp zones but safer) and thus actually encourage movement out from the most lag stricken area's of the server network? Who knows, all I know is I am giving them until after feburary, if the 'new' equipment doesn't fix it then i believe I have more then enough right to b@tch. - Juil Intergrated Information Services Information is Power
Don't Panic	Posted - 2006.01.14 06:07:00 - [41] Guys, you know they're upgrading the servers soon, right? Can't expect anything before that, I'm afraid.
GigaIndy	Posted - 2006.01.14 06:10:00 - [42] Lots of new people = lots of new lag just drink more alchol
Juil	Posted - 2006.01.14 06:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Don't Panic Guys, you know they're upgrading the servers soon, right? Can't expect anything before that, I'm afraid. Originally by: juil Who knows, all I know is I am giving them until after feburary, if the 'new' equipment doesn't fix it then i believe I have more then enough right to b@tch. Yes we know. - Juil Intergrated Information Services Information is Power
Vendrin	Posted - 2006.01.14 06:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Cmdr Sy LOL, hilarious Bud Light spoof! Really enjoyed that! Thank you. Need help in Caldari Space? Join channel CCDF to give or recieve it.
Dufas	Posted - 2006.01.14 06:57:00 - [45] Quote: So keep clicking away, oh Marauder of the Mousepad. ROFL HAHAHAHA that is freaking hilarous __________
ArcticFox	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:00:00 - [46] Edited by: ArcticFox on 14/01/2006 09:02:07 Originally by: Derak Yarno Originally by: ArcticFox What?! You've been lagged?! You're stuck?! My god CCP must have absolutely no idea. Good thing you posted here to inform them, so they can finally start to really do something about it. Wow, someone else totaly clueless. No ** they know about the lag. Every single player that plays this game knows about the lag. It's the AGES it has been going on and nothing done about it. It's the memory disk upgrade last year that did nothing about it. It's the future promise of "new servers" months down the road thats the problem. It's them knowing that their current hardware could not handle a fraction of what is currently being stressed on their systems yet they do it anyways for the money. No, I'm not totally clueless, I know it's taking them way too long to fix the lag, I'm just wondering what your post was designed to accomplish. Were you under the impression they weren't really trying and you just wanted to remind them it's **ing a lot of people off? Or did you want them to ban half of the Eve population and disable the creation of new accounts til the problem is fixed? Hire 100 more programmers to optimize every inch of the code on both ends? Would you prefer if they made Oveur and the other dev's stop fiddling silly numbers and went out to build some AMD 64 blade servers from scratch? I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand what it is you're asking them to do that they're not doing right now. "Fix the lag" is rather vague and unhelpful. Or were you just saying people (presumably including you) are going to start quitting if they dont see results inside of a month? If so, I hate to break it to you, but I think they probably already knew that one too. Doubt anyone over at CCP is happy with the problems they're having, I imagine they have a lot more invested in seeing Eve not die than most players do, since it is CCPs only game. ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum...
Ray Laria	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:27:00 - [47] this guy does have a legitimate point, the lag is horrendous at times. I hear a few people say ok dont play it then, thats not the point, what is advertised is not given. Yes the game is the best their is i wont dispute this but at the rate the game is growing and the expanding player base means their will be even more lag, something needs to be done and now, either halt the influx of new users till the systems are upgraded or upgrade them now and make it playable for those who are signing up. its not a matter of things will get better, the fact is things are getting slowr and now. just an opinion.
Schani Kratnorr	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:40:00 - [48] Without reading the useless posts made by the fanboy-armada of 100% clueless idiots, I sign this. the lag has to go now! not Soon™ I tried an agent out located in one of the systems they moved them to, and only during the "wee hours" are they remotely playable. The lag is around 20 seconds, and the ocational loss of connection doesnt help either... I play partly at home, and partly at the netcafT where I work, so a multitude of different hardware-setups and connections rule out any "your machine is too slow issues" I petitioned it 2 days ago, and got the reply (paraphrasing here) "This is an unfortunate sideeffect of the agent moves, the issue will clear up eventually, but it may take days." On the larger topic of "lag" I can only say this: I have been playing since week one, and apart from a few brief periods, the latency and general performance issues have not been as large as they are at the moment: 1. more people, systems/areas are affected 2. more areas of gameplay are affected (not just the 100+ PvP fleet fights) but also PvE/Agent missions 3. normal travel is hampered 4. time critical tasks (PvP/PvE/etc.) are all negatively affected More work has to be put into solving these issues! my two cents -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender
Andrue	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Moridin i dont have problems. then again i dont hang out in a dump called "Empire" I hang out in the civilised, well run part of the universe called Empire. I have no lag problems either. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Jaraa	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:52:00 - [50] Honestly do you realy think we care? You're just another guy complaining about something we don't care about.
Zaldiri	Posted - 2006.01.14 09:53:00 - [51] If the game is unplayable due to lag, don't play, come back in a couple of months to see if the lag is any better after the server upgrades. Don't whine about it on these forums becuase, everyone knows some people have bad lag, so theres little constructive posting to be done, and ranting will just get you flamed. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Enderweeks	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:07:00 - [52] @ The OP Your topic heading is enough for ppl to get an idea of where you are at. There is a sticky about lag in which you can moan and help - EVE in some respects is an experiment and we are the lab-rats. CCP are going to keep on pushing and pushing the limits until it REALLY goes pop. Once that happens they will know the real HW / SW / Connection limitations. Until that happens keep running in the wheel or alternatively go play RL(tm) Regards
Tedeski	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:22:00 - [53] You're holding CCP up by making them buy new toys for all the ones you're throwing out the pram....
SinBin	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:57:00 - [54] Fanboys are such dimlos. As the man saying we all pay for this & ccp make a fortune from us for it, they have test sever witch dont get tested propperly meaning we all suffer the bugs on TQ. We suffer bugs & sillys that even with limited time it is on the test server we see & tell ccp & what they do dump it right on TQ. Its a very complex game & must be hard work but still ccp is very lazy in some areas, minor bugs is a classic just like Micrsoft , dont fix it just update it. Nothing wrong with getting a little over annoyed now & then I think, since we do pay for it to work. If you bring your pc to me for fixing & i half fix it cos i had alot of work on you aint gunno be happy. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks
Teles666	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:58:00 - [55] I miss the eve-i forums, they were full of people discussing the game and how to play it as it is. On these forums you ask a question and you get 5 pages of people telling you how CCP should change the game and then another 15 pages of people telling the first 5 pages to quit if they don't like it.
Enderweeks	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:59:00 - [56] Originally by: SinBin Fanboys are such dimlos. As the man saying we all pay for this & ccp make a fortune from us for it, they have test sever witch dont get tested propperly meaning we all suffer the bugs on TQ. We suffer bugs & sillys that even with limited time it is on the test server we see & tell ccp & what they do dump it right on TQ. Its a very complex game & must be hard work but still ccp is very lazy in some areas, minor bugs is a classic just like Micrsoft , dont fix it just update it. Nothing wrong with getting a little over annoyed now & then I think, since we do pay for it to work. If you bring your pc to me for fixing & i half fix it cos i had alot of work on you aint gunno be happy. Out of interest - How much time have you spent on the Test server?
Heritor	Posted - 2006.01.14 10:59:00 - [57] Quote: you guys are funny, you complain the poster is crying but your crying more about him.. if you dont like it go read another post and stop your crying.. you all sound like babies. QFT.....always wanted to say that Always where your seatbelt, its far harder for the aliens to abduct you!
Valan	Posted - 2006.01.14 11:06:00 - [58] What makes me laugh is people that flame this guy for complaining about empire lag. Are the exact same people who complain about fleet battle lag in 0.0. Whiners and flamers are cut from the same clothe none of it is worth saying.
Olixia Castitatis	Posted - 2006.01.14 11:23:00 - [59] I wish all the complaining people would leave. As an earlier poster said, it would mean no lag for all the people who really like the game.
Citizen X	Posted - 2006.01.14 11:26:00 - [60] Edited by: Citizen X on 14/01/2006 11:25:51 dup

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