Originally by: Bazman

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Your thinking of Void ammo :P

Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well...

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Bazman

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Your thinking of Void ammo :P

Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well...

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oops clicked on the wrong one :)

in that case, NERF!!!

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Originally by: FiGHT XZen

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cool ammo, remove post unless you want it to get hit with nerfbat!

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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exactly, there's a chance you might get 3 shots on my ac pest NERF!!

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Originally by: El Yatta

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Originally by: Gronsak

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Originally by: FiGHT XZen

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cool ammo, remove post unless you want it to get hit with nerfbat!

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its unlikely to be nerfed

under 10km it is 100% better to use antimatter. more tracking, more dmg and cheap.

from 10-18km this ammo would be usefull: but it has less dmg and half the tracking. so only anti BS and BC.


its nice ammo and has its uses but its pretty specific at what its good at

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NULL does NOT reduce tracking, kid.

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Originally by: Bazman

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44 instead of 48 damage i can live with, especially on neutrons, the damage mod makes it stupidly powerful anyway ;)

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Neutron Blaster II with Null L on a Megathron (with maxed skills)

8.302x damage mod
5.67s rof
11.250km optimal
15.625km falloff

DPS on a megathron: (44 * 8.302 * 7) / 5.67 = 450dps.

Optimal + Falloff: 26.875km. Approx DPS: 225dps
Optimal + Falloff * 2: 42.500km. Approx DPS: 0

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Originally by: Bazman

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I've got a neutronathron right now with an MWD, granted i've had to give up on any kind of tank whatsoever, but hey, combined arms tactics and all that. /me is just happy that blasters are fairly useful now

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:12:44
800mm Autocannon II with EMP L on a Tempest (assuming max skills)

4.566x damage mod
3.04s ROF
3km optimal
20km falloff

DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 46 * 5) / 3.04 = 345dps

Optimal + Falloff: 23km. Approx DPS: 172.5
Optimal + Falloff * 2: 43km. Approx DPS: 0

Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range.

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Originally by: Gronsak

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Edited by: Gronsak on 14/01/2006 16:16:23

Originally by: Sarmaul

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Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:12:44
800mm Autocannon II with EMP L on a Tempest (assuming max skills)

4.566x damage mod
3.04s ROF
3km optimal
20km falloff

DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 46 * 5) / 3.04 = 345dps

Optimal + Falloff: 23km. Approx DPS: 172.5
Optimal + Falloff * 2: 43km. Approx DPS: 0

Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range.

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whats wrong with that, ur compairing t2 ammo with t1 ammo. where ofcourse the t2 should be better then the t1

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I disagree. Why SHOULD it do more damage? That's the job of faction amo. T2 amo should do T1 damage, but with secondary effects.

This thread shows how uber some amo is. Ugh.

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Originally by: Ithildin

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range.

edit: and also moves faster due to the mwd vs ab

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I am a bit interested how you figured this last one out. I know that the tightest spot on a Megathron is it's CPU. 800mm Repeating Artillery II uses 183 powergrid and 32 cpu less than a Neutron Blaster Cannon II Megathron.

The difference in fitting between a Megathron and a Tempest is that the Megathron has -1 Med and +1 low as well as +1 turret -2 launchers. Convievably, the Tempest should be able to offset the damage difference versus the Megathron with the medium powered slot for an electronic warfare module (that it should have CPU for given the intial 216 less CPU taken up on the Tempest compared to an equally fitted Megathron)

Once you factor in that the Tempest has a lower signature radius and the capacity of fitting two NOS or maybe two launchers (or a combination), the Tempest will have it's factual damage increased (maybe not with 100 dps, but all the same) as well as suffer less severe hits and hits of lessened quality. This may not seem like much, but the difference is there.

Adding in sweeter damage type, which can be estimated for increasing the comparable damage by 5% to even as much as 20% in the Tempest's favour (depending on hardeners) on any given target. I shouldn't think such a minor matter as slightly lower dps to be something to proclaim the Tempest beaten. In fact, I'd put my money on the Tempest.
I'd even fly a Tempest myself, if I hadn't taken a solemn vow never to train Minmatar or Caldari skills further than was absolutely necessary (until I gain a Gallente or Amarr looking pirate faction ship, neither race will be necessary).

Yes, I am the only one in MC who chooses ships because of looks as much as performance.

P.S. I seem to have missed my original point. The Tempest will move faster because it won't struggle as much to fit an MWD where the Megathron will.

P.P.S. The Null L ammo is listed to have "-100%" capacitor bonus in Jide's extract. Void L, for an energy expensive example, has "+25%". Is that -100% an elimination of capacitor use, or is it one more example of the odd truncating error in extract information? (which would mean capacitor need is reduced by only 1%, as seen on the active hardeners)

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