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Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.14 14:49:00 - [1] Omg, Autothron anyone? This post is mearly praise for the best ammo for a large neutron blaster ever. I'd go as far as saying blasters are now what they should be with all this uber ammo. Its just a shame it costs so much ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:01:00 - [2] unless I'm reading the stats wrong in-game, this ammo: Reduces your optimal range Halves your tracking Increases the cap drain this turns it into an autothron how?
Jenna H4ze	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:08:00 - [3] it's like nosing and tracking disrupting your self:/ am i missing sarchasim or something
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:09:00 - [4] Your thinking of Void ammo :P Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well... ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Bazman Your thinking of Void ammo :P Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well... oops clicked on the wrong one :) in that case, NERF!!!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Bazman Your thinking of Void ammo :P Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well... the thing is its 10% leses DPS then antimatter. its half the tracking. and its t2 ammo use antimatter sub 10km. use null 10-15km. u take a DPS hit but it allows u to hit upto 15km. but like u said its pretty expensive and with a rof of like 3sec its gona cost a lot. perhaps 8073000 = 1.7mils to fill 7 guns. which is pretty pricy. and the ammo wount sell for much less then 3k a pop cos of such high bpo prices. but it is nice for the 10-17.5km fights
FiGHT XZen	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:20:00 - [7] cool ammo, remove post unless you want it to get hit with nerfbat!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Bazman Your thinking of Void ammo :P Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well... oops clicked on the wrong one :) in that case, NERF!!! sub 10km antimatter is better, 2x tracking and 10% more dmg from 10-18km antimatter misses a lot so the t2 ammo is better. but at that range things cant be webbed so tracking is important. as far as i can see it, its good for anti BS from 10-18km and maybe anti BC. but not a lot more then that
Renox	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:22:00 - [9] I think it's only good because the penalty isn't being added right now due to a bug. I believe that once the penalty is enable on that ammo you might want to consider if it's worth the tracking hit. TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Bazman Your thinking of Void ammo :P Null does: +25% Optimal, +25% Falloff, with a damage total of 44 (Like EMP) but with the gigantic damage mod on blasters, well... oops clicked on the wrong one :) in that case, NERF!!! sub 10km antimatter is better, 2x tracking and 10% more dmg from 10-18km antimatter misses a lot so the t2 ammo is better. but at that range things cant be webbed so tracking is important. as far as i can see it, its good for anti BS from 10-18km and maybe anti BC. but not a lot more then that exactly, there's a chance you might get 3 shots on my ac pest NERF!!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:24:00 - [11] Originally by: FiGHT XZen cool ammo, remove post unless you want it to get hit with nerfbat! its unlikely to be nerfed under 10km it is 100% better to use antimatter. more tracking, more dmg and cheap. from 10-18km this ammo would be usefull: but it has less dmg and half the tracking. so only anti BS and BC. its nice ammo and has its uses but its pretty specific at what its good at
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Sarmaul exactly, there's a chance you might get 3 shots on my ac pest NERF!! lol
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: FiGHT XZen cool ammo, remove post unless you want it to get hit with nerfbat! its unlikely to be nerfed under 10km it is 100% better to use antimatter. more tracking, more dmg and cheap. from 10-18km this ammo would be usefull: but it has less dmg and half the tracking. so only anti BS and BC. its nice ammo and has its uses but its pretty specific at what its good at NULL does NOT reduce tracking, kid. ---:::---
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:32:00 - [14] Originally by: El Yatta Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: FiGHT XZen cool ammo, remove post unless you want it to get hit with nerfbat! its unlikely to be nerfed under 10km it is 100% better to use antimatter. more tracking, more dmg and cheap. from 10-18km this ammo would be usefull: but it has less dmg and half the tracking. so only anti BS and BC. its nice ammo and has its uses but its pretty specific at what its good at NULL does NOT reduce tracking, kid. *******s ur right meh its still less dmg then antimatter and t2 makes it expensive
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:50:00 - [15] 44 instead of 48 damage i can live with, especially on neutrons, the damage mod makes it stupidly powerful anyway ;) ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Bazman 44 instead of 48 damage i can live with, especially on neutrons, the damage mod makes it stupidly powerful anyway ;) 44107/4.7 = 655 DPS [quick guestimate calculation with maxed skills -2%] 655DPS useing guns at 11.5km optimal and 12km falloff. so at 24km half ur DPS is gone. so keep it to 18km and only 20% of ur DPS is gone so max DPS x range is 655DPS at 11-12km useing neutrons [good luck to u fitting 7 neutrons and a mwd/ab] now anyone wanna do a raven DPS useing t1 ammo? cos i know its more then 655DPS and range is many times more. its definitly not overpowered imo.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 15:59:00 - [17] Neutron Blaster II with Null L on a Megathron (with maxed skills) 8.302x damage mod 5.67s rof 11.250km optimal 15.625km falloff DPS on a megathron: (44 * 8.302 * 7) / 5.67 = 450dps. Optimal + Falloff: 26.875km. Approx DPS: 225dps Optimal + Falloff * 2: 42.500km. Approx DPS: 0
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul Neutron Blaster II with Null L on a Megathron (with maxed skills) 8.302x damage mod 5.67s rof 11.250km optimal 15.625km falloff DPS on a megathron: (44 * 8.302 * 7) / 5.67 = 450dps. Optimal + Falloff: 26.875km. Approx DPS: 225dps Optimal + Falloff * 2: 42.500km. Approx DPS: 0 thanks sarm was trying to do this but u beat me to it and did it better :)
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 14/01/2006 15:58:09 Originally by: Bazman 44 instead of 48 damage i can live with, especially on neutrons, the damage mod makes it stupidly powerful anyway ;) 44107/4.7 = 655 DPS [quick guestimate calculation with maxed skills -2%] 655DPS useing guns at 11.5km optimal and 12km falloff. so at 24km half ur DPS is gone. so keep it to 18km and only 20% of ur DPS is gone so max DPS x range is 655DPS at 11-12km useing neutrons [good luck to u fitting 7 neutrons and a mwd/ab] now anyone wanna do a raven DPS useing t1 ammo? cos i know its more then 655DPS and range is many times more. its definitly not overpowered imo. considering there are ships out there that have more DPS at more range useing t1 ammo. I've got a neutronathron right now with an MWD, granted i've had to give up on any kind of tank whatsoever, but hey, combined arms tactics and all that. /me is just happy that blasters are fairly useful now ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:11:00 - [20] Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:14:41 800mm Autocannon II with EMP L on a Tempest (assuming max skills) 4.566x damage mod 3.04s ROF 3km optimal 20km falloff DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 46 * 5) / 3.04 = 345dps Optimal + Falloff: 23km. Approx DPS: 172.5 Optimal + Falloff * 2: 43km. Approx DPS: 0 Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range. edit: and also moves faster due to the mwd vs ab
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:14:00 - [21] And with Barrage L? Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Bazman I've got a neutronathron right now with an MWD, granted i've had to give up on any kind of tank whatsoever, but hey, combined arms tactics and all that. /me is just happy that blasters are fairly useful now cpu mod? and a no tank at all blasterthron will die very fast to most ships in game.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:12:44 800mm Autocannon II with EMP L on a Tempest (assuming max skills) 4.566x damage mod 3.04s ROF 3km optimal 20km falloff DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 46 * 5) / 3.04 = 345dps Optimal + Falloff: 23km. Approx DPS: 172.5 Optimal + Falloff * 2: 43km. Approx DPS: 0 Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range. whats wrong with that, ur compairing t2 ammo with t1 ammo. where ofcourse the t2 should be better then the t1
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Maya Rkell And with Barrage L? lol, I was looking at the wrong ammo and thought it gave a falloff penalty. I'll calculate it now
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:20:27 800mm Autocannon II with Barrage L on a Tempest (assuming max skills) 4.566x damage mod 3.04s ROF 6km optimal 30km falloff DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 44 * 5) / 3.04 = 330dps Optimal + Falloff: 36km. Approx DPS: 165 Optimal + Falloff * 2: 66km. Approx DPS: 0 ♥
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 14/01/2006 16:16:23 Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:12:44 800mm Autocannon II with EMP L on a Tempest (assuming max skills) 4.566x damage mod 3.04s ROF 3km optimal 20km falloff DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 46 * 5) / 3.04 = 345dps Optimal + Falloff: 23km. Approx DPS: 172.5 Optimal + Falloff * 2: 43km. Approx DPS: 0 Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range. whats wrong with that, ur compairing t2 ammo with t1 ammo. where ofcourse the t2 should be better then the t1 I disagree. Why SHOULD it do more damage? That's the job of faction amo. T2 amo should do T1 damage, but with secondary effects. This thread shows how uber some amo is. Ugh. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bazman I've got a neutronathron right now with an MWD, granted i've had to give up on any kind of tank whatsoever, but hey, combined arms tactics and all that. /me is just happy that blasters are fairly useful now cpu mod? and a no tank at all blasterthron will die very fast to most ships in game. Nope, no cpu mod. I have max fitting skills and a -3cpu implant. I'm running a raw HP tank on it, basic premise is to last long enough to blow something up, so theres no need for a cap injector and the likes. Lots of Neutronathrons use the plate setup, the main problem up till now was that a Blasterthron could not hit that 20km sweetspot with its guns consistantly, now it can. Whee! ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 14/01/2006 16:16:23 Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 16:12:44 800mm Autocannon II with EMP L on a Tempest (assuming max skills) 4.566x damage mod 3.04s ROF 3km optimal 20km falloff DPS on a tempest: (4.566 * 46 * 5) / 3.04 = 345dps Optimal + Falloff: 23km. Approx DPS: 172.5 Optimal + Falloff * 2: 43km. Approx DPS: 0 Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range. whats wrong with that, ur compairing t2 ammo with t1 ammo. where ofcourse the t2 should be better then the t1 I disagree. Why SHOULD it do more damage? That's the job of faction amo. T2 amo should do T1 damage, but with secondary effects. This thread shows how uber some amo is. Ugh. it does less dmg then antimatter it just gets a range bonous ie secondary effect. btw most t2 ammo is more dmg but with penaltys
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Gronsak This thread shows how uber some amo is. Ugh. it does less dmg then antimatter it just gets a range bonous ie secondary effect. btw most t2 ammo is more dmg but with penaltys So? It has far more range than antimatter. It does a lot more damage than the equivalent-ranged blaster amo. And yes, most of it is even more broken. I KNOW. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.01.14 16:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Sarmaul <...> Yes, that means a megathron with Null L outdamages a tempest with EMP at every range. edit: and also moves faster due to the mwd vs ab I am a bit interested how you figured this last one out. I know that the tightest spot on a Megathron is it's CPU. 800mm Repeating Artillery II uses 183 powergrid and 32 cpu less than a Neutron Blaster Cannon II Megathron. The difference in fitting between a Megathron and a Tempest is that the Megathron has -1 Med and +1 low as well as +1 turret -2 launchers. Convievably, the Tempest should be able to offset the damage difference versus the Megathron with the medium powered slot for an electronic warfare module (that it should have CPU for given the intial 216 less CPU taken up on the Tempest compared to an equally fitted Megathron) Once you factor in that the Tempest has a lower signature radius and the capacity of fitting two NOS or maybe two launchers (or a combination), the Tempest will have it's factual damage increased (maybe not with 100 dps, but all the same) as well as suffer less severe hits and hits of lessened quality. This may not seem like much, but the difference is there. Adding in sweeter damage type, which can be estimated for increasing the comparable damage by 5% to even as much as 20% in the Tempest's favour (depending on hardeners) on any given target. I shouldn't think such a minor matter as slightly lower dps to be something to proclaim the Tempest beaten. In fact, I'd put my money on the Tempest. I'd even fly a Tempest myself, if I hadn't taken a solemn vow never to train Minmatar or Caldari skills further than was absolutely necessary (until I gain a Gallente or Amarr looking pirate faction ship, neither race will be necessary). Yes, I am the only one in MC who chooses ships because of looks as much as performance. P.S. I seem to have missed my original point. The Tempest will move faster because it won't struggle as much to fit an MWD where the Megathron will. P.P.S. The Null L ammo is listed to have "-100%" capacitor bonus in Jide's extract. Void L, for an energy expensive example, has "+25%". Is that -100% an elimination of capacitor use, or is it one more example of the odd truncating error in extract information? (which would mean capacitor need is reduced by only 1%, as seen on the active hardeners) Nyx is Erebos' wife. Together they have two children, Thanatos and Charon. Why is Charon Caldari?!

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