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eve warrior
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Sabe
Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
I'd gladly walk away from all my SP's and start from scratch to have a server where I can't be podded at a gate by a PKer while traveling.
I don't enjoy losing all my implants to be honest.
My subscription will renew before I can replace them all.
Greifing sucks...
LOL, if pirates at gates are Griefers, then i would have to say that all Industial corps with HAC Bpos are griefers for charging up to 150% more than what it cost to make a HAC  . Are they not the Real Pirates ? 
I think u would be better off playing WoW.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:42:00 -
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This is a bad idea.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 14/01/2006 18:44:21
The Asian shard is not letting go of the one shard principle its a practicality. They have a market that wants to play the game, a huge market. CCPs success benefits us.
Some Asian countries have laws limiting the up time of game servers so if you want tranquility to be down for 10 hours a day then fine.
Secondly there is the practicality of ping time, global ping times are quick but the effect of 20000 Asians sending data round the world to play a game is ludicrous. Due to the falling prices of bandwidth most global carriers are struggling to make money on whoelsale bandwidth and are not investing in any more network.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:45:00 -
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Wrangler,
I appreciate that. I also appreciate that CCP believe it's good business sense.
But it's STILL throwing the one-server design out the window.
Appreciating is very different from liking. But as it WILL happen, I might as well make suggestions to use it :)
So, I'd like the old hardware to be used for a faction-based security standing server.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Wrangler,
I appreciate that. I also appreciate that CCP believe it's good business sense.
But it's STILL throwing the one-server design out the window.
Appreciating is very different from liking. But as it WILL happen, I might as well make suggestions to use it :)
So, I'd like the old hardware to be used for a faction-based security standing server.
Ok, nice idea then. I'd like to have it at home and run EVE on it. 
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
Exactly how is it cool?? Explain!!!
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
Exactly how is it cool?? Explain!!!
I told you to explain first! And I'm a big bad moderator with lots and lots of power, explain or feel my wrath!!
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 14/01/2006 18:54:57
Unfortunately it won't work. PVP and carebear pursuits are a symbiotic relationship one cannot survive without the other. Plus it diminshes experience.
Today my alt was chased around by a rat, she had a 90 million isk ship, head full of implants and 400 mill in cargo. Carebear my arse :)
This character has chased rats, been chased, involved in alliance wars, missioning, mining all aspects.
Don't let one set back put you off. To be honest EVE is 90% toil and grief for that 10% reward, its kinda like life. Death here hurts in EVE, there is a lot at stake and thats why its worth playing.
EDIt: typos, which incidentally is why I was locked out of my account for 4 days. There is a world of difference between this - and this _ .
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Onubis
Worst idea ever! 
PvP is the engine that drives this game, although everyone does not pvp they are all affected by it in some way.
Would you care to wager on that?
I'bet you a months subscription that it would be an excelent move and a lot of people would go there.
And why do you care if I played on a server without PvP? (serious question, answer it.)
You can still play on the nice new server equipment still.
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Sable Schroedinger
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sabe on 14/01/2006 19:16:14
Have any of those that say it would collapse the game ever played any other MMOG in your life?
Plenty of very successful games out loooooooong! before this one...
...still running and with as much or many more active players at any one time...
...having multiple servers (do to even much greater player base then CCP's servers could possibly handle which would collapse the game for real)...
...and even having seperate PvP serves that have less players then the main servers...
And you guys actualy think PvP drives anything in a "VIRTUAL" world game?
I'm replying to children again aren't I?
(Just a note for those that think I don't like PvP, I play WWIIOnline, and Counterstrike... I enjoy both games very much... PvP is what I play them for... I Play Eve because I like the game itself and don't want PvP in this kind of game should I choose not to, and would like to have the choice and dont see anything wrong with wanting to play without PvP... :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 19:13:51
LOW SECURITY SPACE IS VERY DANGEROUS. YOU CAN BE PODDED AND LOSE YOUR IMPLANTS.
Honestly, what is so bloody hard to understand about that simple premise? You are never forced to go through low sec space - you make the choice too and suffer the consiquences if you get caught with your pants down.
If you want the good ore or good rats, keep an eye on local or go as a group. "meh meh meh my corp doesn't have enough members online at once". Then merge with another corp in the same situation and base yourselves out of the same area of low-sec.
Finally, if you are going to travel through low sec, get a scout, get instas, or preferably get both.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Have any of those that say it would collapse the game ever played any other MMOG in your life?
Plenty of very successful games out loooooooong! before this one...
...still running and with as much or many more active players at any one time...
...having multiple servers (do to even much greater player base then CCP's servers could possibly handle which would collapse the game for real)...
...and even having seperate PvP serves that have less players then the main servers...
And you guys actualy think PvP drives anything in a "VIRTUAL" world game?
I'm replying to children again aren't I?
this entire world is PVP. when you mine asteroids, you are preventing another player from getting access to those resources. When you sell something on the market you are competing against players for a sell.
There is nothing wrong with this game, it just isn't for you. Don't try and turn EVE into WOW - just go and play WOW and be happy.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:19:00 -
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This should hopefully explain why a non-PvP EVE would be pointless.
Basically, the entire game is about competition, not lootdrops. EVE isn't the same gametype as "any other MMOG".
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
Well... really, with EVE's runaway success, sharding was bound to happen eventually. Even the Tranquility v.2.0 is going to have a glass cieling of about 60,000-odd players. Sooner or later, they'd have to open more geographic shards regardless. Never mind the language barriers, etc...
Essentially, it is disappointing on some level, but should be a surprise to no one.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
And it might even be one of the signs that the end of the world is approaching. 
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:27:00 -
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I've played almost every MMOG there is, some to great length and even beta tested... Haven't tried WOW yet tho I will give it a shot some day.
Ultima Online(4 years), Asheron's Call (3 years), Asherons Call II, Dark Ages of Camelot (1 year), EverQuest (1 year), Anarchy Online, WWIIOnline (2 years) Earth and Beyond (2 years) Eve (1 year)
and those are just the pay per play... I've heard all the arguments to PvP before... they don't hold water when put to the test... use old server equipment sitting on shelves anyway start a non PvP server and lets see you PKers put your money where your mouth is and bet on PvP being more desirable then Non PvP... theres only one way to tell for sure... try it and see.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
On this one Maya I have to disagree.,..yes it throws off a guiding principle but it also is inbebbed in practicality... something no one can deny due to laws surrounding MMORPG in China ...
it may lead to the PURE idea of one shard being corrupted...but at the same time it will not lead to the reality of only one shard for most of the worlds players being changed...
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Ultima Online(4 years), Asheron's Call (3 years), Asherons Call II, Dark Ages of Camelot (1 year), EverQuest (1 year), Anarchy Online, WWIIOnline (2 years) Earth and Beyond (2 years)
As I said, read my blog entry. None of those games possess the same structure as EVE. You literally cannot compare them. The only one that even comes slightly close, maybe, is WWIIOL.
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kebab v2
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:30:00 -
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Its a awful idea, how would an aliance claim and protect a region of 0.0 space "smack talk?"
you instanly lose one of the best features of the game.
I dont think many people would switch too a non pvp server, it would be too boring.
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll? 
Well ingame griefing isn't enuff for some ppl... they need to do it on the forums too 
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Nistro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nistro on 14/01/2006 19:34:35
i think i may have seen somewhere that CCP are going to use the old hardware to run such things like the web interface stuff and other systems so EVE itself has all the power of the new one for its self
do we not remember a few months back when the load on the server stopped us being able to use the my char screen?
i may be wrong and if i didnt see that somewhere i am sorry 
flame away chaps
some speeling fixes
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
This should hopefully explain why a non-PvP EVE would be pointless.
Basically, the entire game is about competition, not lootdrops. EVE isn't the same gametype as "any other MMOG".
In your opinion.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:37:00 -
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They've abandoned that with their plans for Serenity. Wrangler, why is it "not going to happen?". Certainly now a second shards is comming - it's perfectly viable from my pov now that the origional vision has been thrown over.
thats due to legal neccesities and not droping the dream of a single shard (chinese goverment realllly dont like free speach)..think of serenity as eve MK 2 and not a second shard.
as for a non pvp server..well to be honest that will go against the entire concept of eve..it would be taking one half of the game..which would make the second half rather dull boring and redundant. the pvp/pve in this game is a lot more symbiotic than many relise both sides need the other...
people tend to come down hard on hairbrained ideas like this, due to a fear many of us who like eve as it is have off CCP seeing the $$$ signs more than the good game they have, and caving in to the caerbears who detest risk (as they are slowly but surley doing patch by patch..tiny changes in the bears favour which build up but no one complains about as a single change really dont make much difference)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
pkers
I hardly thing the thousands of people in the 0.0 alliances who wage war with each other consider their enemies "pkers".
ASCN: 2491 members
F-E: 2061
Red Alliance: 1532
SA: 1111
FIX: 933
BOB: 916
IRON: 911
PA: 865
VI: 762
5: 627
G: 570
VC: 529
IMP: 499
LV: 429
FOE: 362
HUZZAH: 348
KOS: 333
NBSI: 333
RAZOR: 284
Kaos: 272
U'K: 251
Mortis: 202
TSDS: 182
Pirate Coalition: 148
MC: 146
16915 people - all in alliances who either fight for a living or claim and defend 0.0 space. Not to mention the various merc corps, pirate corps, "lets go fight them" corps in eve. combined it's almost 1/5 of all paying accounts.
you got shot. it happens. get over it.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:42:00 -
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16915 people - all in alliances who either fight for a living or claim and defend 0.0 space. Not to mention the various merc corps, pirate corps, "lets go fight them" corps in eve. combined it's almost 1/5 of all paying accounts.
dont forget many of us will have multipal account who are not part of the IGA..i know that i have 2 accounts not part of SA..so do many other i know.
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kebab v2
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby StarFire
Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
Well ingame griefing isn't enuff for some ppl... they need to do it on the forums too
this reminds me of and old quote by a (dev?) person
"Eve online, even the forums have pvp"
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MWEI
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:46:00 -
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Uhm... We already have a non-PVP server, its called Singularity.
Sure theres a size limit, but even so its not filled 24/7, why? because its not EVE, people want to play EVE, not some space simulation that gets bored after 2 minutes.
But if you must, in Singularity everything sells for 1isk, you get a free 1bil isk, it mirrors your skills in Tranq and you are not allowed to pvp unless theres an agreement.
If you want a server like that, just go play sisi.
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