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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 17:51:00 -
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Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
I'd gladly walk away from all my SP's and start from scratch to have a server where I can't be podded at a gate by a PKer while traveling.
I don't enjoy losing all my implants to be honest.
My subscription will renew before I can replace them all.
Greifing sucks...
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Tedeski
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Posted - 2006.01.14 17:58:00 -
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Yeah this'll help CCP with their one shard dream 
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Onubis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 17:58:00 -
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Worst idea ever! 
PvP is the engine that drives this game, although everyone does not pvp they are all affected by it in some way.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.14 17:59:00 -
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 podding people with implants ftw!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.14 17:59:00 -
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Seriously silly idea.
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Onubis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:00:00 -
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Err also what do you mean by PvP?
Cos like manufacturing is pvp aswell, as your often competing against other players for resources and potential buyers.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:00:00 -
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You're too funny =)
You call gate camping griefing? I don't think you have any idea what that word means then. And if you can't stand losing implants...well, stop using them. I always sell any implant I get because, unlike you, I don't want my implants to own ME. And let's be frank here, we both _know_ there won't be a new fluffy-bunny-carebear pve server. I hate getting blown up and getting podded I hate even more. But those things, among many others, are the foundations of what EVE is. I dislike the phrase I'm going to say now, but I'll do it anyway. "This game might possibly not be for you".
I don't want your stuff.
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Salerator
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Onubis
Err also what do you mean by PvP?
Cos like manufacturing is pvp aswell, as your often competing against other players for resources and potential buyers.
Yeah and price cartels are every bit as much griefing as gatecamping is
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:05:00 -
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Quick question for the topic starter:
Why was you in low sec with implants if you didn't want to lose them?? I wouldn't call that griefing I'd call that you doing something stupid.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:06:00 -
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Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
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Onubis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Salerator
Originally by: Onubis
Err also what do you mean by PvP?
Cos like manufacturing is pvp aswell, as your often competing against other players for resources and potential buyers.
Yeah and price cartels are every bit as much griefing as gatecamping is
Gate camping = Not fly into a insecure system afk/ unprepared.
Price Cartels = err... dont buy
All you really need to do is use a bit of that intel
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Salerator
Originally by: Onubis
Err also what do you mean by PvP?
Cos like manufacturing is pvp aswell, as your often competing against other players for resources and potential buyers.
Yeah and price cartels are every bit as much griefing as gatecamping is
I think all T2 producers are have a pirate alt (or are pirate's alts). Now that is a nice theory, huh? 
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:11:00 -
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If ccp would ever shard the game(excluding serenity)
i'd rather it make a non-concord server.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
I'd gladly walk away from all my SP's and start from scratch to have a server where I can't be podded at a gate by a PKer while traveling.
I don't enjoy losing all my implants to be honest.
My subscription will renew before I can replace them all.
Greifing sucks...
you people just dont get it dont you? EVE is a persistant world in a virtual universe WITH THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE GAME AS PLAYER INTERACTION AND THAT INCLUDES COMBAT. If you dot like that then that aint our problem, just stick to empire like the rest of the carebears.
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Dukath
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vex Seraphim
If ccp would ever shard the game(excluding serenity)
i'd rather it make a non-concord server.
agreed. If it has to happen then one without all the mistakes that have been made so far.
- no concord,
- NPC standings actually mean something. So a gallente can' just fly into caldari space cause his standings would be terrible. pirateNPC stations will not let you dock if you shoot the local NPCs
- the empires separated by low-sec areas
- local fixed
- bookmarks removed or fixed to objects
if all these things would be on the new shard I might consider moving, if not then please don't even think about shading
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
Because its people like this that try to ruin a special game. If we dont smack them down hard and repeatedly CCP might change the game to a massive mining and npc'ing sim where noone purchases goods because nothing gets blown up
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
I'd gladly walk away from all my SP's and start from scratch to have a server where I can't be podded at a gate by a PKer while traveling.
I don't enjoy losing all my implants to be honest.
My subscription will renew before I can replace them all.
Greifing sucks...
err....
no
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
Because its people like this that try to ruin a special game. If we dont smack them down hard and repeatedly CCP might change the game to a massive mining and npc'ing sim where noone purchases goods because nothing gets blown up
And if you do smack them down hard and repeatedly on saturday evenings I will have to put away the beer for the short time it takes to issue a warning. So basically we all lose, even though it's worse for me.
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Incubus25
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:23:00 -
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With no pvp, a lot of the industry would likely collapse, which is something I think a lot of people that don't like pvp realize. For all the miners and so on, where do you think your minerals go? Ships, weapons and ammo. If no one pvp'd, there'd be a very finite market for these items as they would have a dramatically increased lifespan.
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
Because its people like this that try to ruin a special game. If we dont smack them down hard and repeatedly CCP might change the game to a massive mining and npc'ing sim where noone purchases goods because nothing gets blown up
And if you do smack them down hard and repeatedly on saturday evenings I will have to put away the beer for the short time it takes to issue a warning. So basically we all lose, even though it's worse for me.
 Don't make him put the beer away! God knows what'd happen!
Originally by: ParMizaN
evry1ghasb a limiy...
...and ijust reached it ahaha...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/01/2006 18:27:31
Originally by: Tedeski
Yeah this'll help CCP with their one shard dream
They've abandoned that with their plans for Serenity. Wrangler, why is it "not going to happen?". Certainly now a second shards is comming - it's perfectly viable from my pov now that the origional vision has been thrown over.
I'd like to see an utterly different set of varient rules (faction based security) on a second server, but hey.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:26:00 -
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LOL... No
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/01/2006 18:27:31
Originally by: Tedeski
Yeah this'll help CCP with their one shard dream
They've abandoned that with their plans for Serenity. Wrangler, why is it "not going to happen?". Certainly now a second shards is comming - it's perfectly viable from my pov now that the origional vision has been thrown over.
I'd like to see an utterly different set of varient rules (faction based security) on a second server, but hey.
Cause I say so.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Because its people like this that try to ruin a special game. If we dont smack them down hard and repeatedly CCP might change the game to a massive mining and npc'ing sim where noone purchases goods because nothing gets blown up
And if you do smack them down hard and repeatedly on saturday evenings I will have to put away the beer for the short time it takes to issue a warning. So basically we all lose, even though it's worse for me.
So I need to agree with his POV then?
My first post in the thread said its a seriously silly idea. I stand behind that. I responded to the idea.
Sure, I was blunt, I usually am.
Anyway
/me waves hand in Jedi fashion...think of the beer
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: DjDangle on 14/01/2006 18:36:08
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Because its people like this that try to ruin a special game. If we dont smack them down hard and repeatedly CCP might change the game to a massive mining and npc'ing sim where noone purchases goods because nothing gets blown up
And if you do smack them down hard and repeatedly on saturday evenings I will have to put away the beer for the short time it takes to issue a warning. So basically we all lose, even though it's worse for me.
So I need to agree with his POV then?
My first post in the thread said its a seriously silly idea. I stand behind that. I responded to the idea.
Sure, I was blunt, I usually am.
Anyway
/me waves hand in Jedi fashion...think of the beer
Disagreeing and trolling is two different things. The main way of learning what the difference is, provided you don't know already, is that in the latter case you get a warning. Or, if you're lucky, a moderator such as myself posts and tells people to calm down.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:36:00 -
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/waves his hand.
This is not the game you are thinking of.
You should play World of Warcraft.
/stops waving his hand.
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:36:00 -
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OMG worst idea EVER
I've lost 2 x +4 willpower implants as well as many ships to pirates and the like but I would never play on a non-PVP server
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:39:00 -
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Without PvP, Tritanium prices would plummet and you wouldn't enjoy the game as much as you do now.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Yea, but Serenity is based on chinese laws not allowing TQ, a new TQ would probably be based on the current one not being able to support all players. Of course anything can happen in the future, unless this is the past and the future has happened already, but all that time travel stuff makes my head hurt.
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eve warrior
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
I'd gladly walk away from all my SP's and start from scratch to have a server where I can't be podded at a gate by a PKer while traveling.
I don't enjoy losing all my implants to be honest.
My subscription will renew before I can replace them all.
Greifing sucks...
LOL, if pirates at gates are Griefers, then i would have to say that all Industial corps with HAC Bpos are griefers for charging up to 150% more than what it cost to make a HAC . Are they not the Real Pirates ? 
I think u would be better off playing WoW.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:42:00 -
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This is a bad idea.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 14/01/2006 18:44:21
The Asian shard is not letting go of the one shard principle its a practicality. They have a market that wants to play the game, a huge market. CCPs success benefits us.
Some Asian countries have laws limiting the up time of game servers so if you want tranquility to be down for 10 hours a day then fine.
Secondly there is the practicality of ping time, global ping times are quick but the effect of 20000 Asians sending data round the world to play a game is ludicrous. Due to the falling prices of bandwidth most global carriers are struggling to make money on whoelsale bandwidth and are not investing in any more network.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:45:00 -
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Wrangler,
I appreciate that. I also appreciate that CCP believe it's good business sense.
But it's STILL throwing the one-server design out the window.
Appreciating is very different from liking. But as it WILL happen, I might as well make suggestions to use it :)
So, I'd like the old hardware to be used for a faction-based security standing server.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Wrangler,
I appreciate that. I also appreciate that CCP believe it's good business sense.
But it's STILL throwing the one-server design out the window.
Appreciating is very different from liking. But as it WILL happen, I might as well make suggestions to use it :)
So, I'd like the old hardware to be used for a faction-based security standing server.
Ok, nice idea then. I'd like to have it at home and run EVE on it.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
Exactly how is it cool?? Explain!!!
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
Exactly how is it cool?? Explain!!!
I told you to explain first! And I'm a big bad moderator with lots and lots of power, explain or feel my wrath!!
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 14/01/2006 18:54:57
Unfortunately it won't work. PVP and carebear pursuits are a symbiotic relationship one cannot survive without the other. Plus it diminshes experience.
Today my alt was chased around by a rat, she had a 90 million isk ship, head full of implants and 400 mill in cargo. Carebear my arse :)
This character has chased rats, been chased, involved in alliance wars, missioning, mining all aspects.
Don't let one set back put you off. To be honest EVE is 90% toil and grief for that 10% reward, its kinda like life. Death here hurts in EVE, there is a lot at stake and thats why its worth playing.
EDIt: typos, which incidentally is why I was locked out of my account for 4 days. There is a world of difference between this - and this _ .
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Onubis
Worst idea ever!
PvP is the engine that drives this game, although everyone does not pvp they are all affected by it in some way.
Would you care to wager on that?
I'bet you a months subscription that it would be an excelent move and a lot of people would go there.
And why do you care if I played on a server without PvP? (serious question, answer it.)
You can still play on the nice new server equipment still.
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Sable Schroedinger
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sabe on 14/01/2006 19:16:14
Have any of those that say it would collapse the game ever played any other MMOG in your life?
Plenty of very successful games out loooooooong! before this one...
...still running and with as much or many more active players at any one time...
...having multiple servers (do to even much greater player base then CCP's servers could possibly handle which would collapse the game for real)...
...and even having seperate PvP serves that have less players then the main servers...
And you guys actualy think PvP drives anything in a "VIRTUAL" world game?
I'm replying to children again aren't I?
(Just a note for those that think I don't like PvP, I play WWIIOnline, and Counterstrike... I enjoy both games very much... PvP is what I play them for... I Play Eve because I like the game itself and don't want PvP in this kind of game should I choose not to, and would like to have the choice and dont see anything wrong with wanting to play without PvP... :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 14/01/2006 19:13:51
LOW SECURITY SPACE IS VERY DANGEROUS. YOU CAN BE PODDED AND LOSE YOUR IMPLANTS.
Honestly, what is so bloody hard to understand about that simple premise? You are never forced to go through low sec space - you make the choice too and suffer the consiquences if you get caught with your pants down.
If you want the good ore or good rats, keep an eye on local or go as a group. "meh meh meh my corp doesn't have enough members online at once". Then merge with another corp in the same situation and base yourselves out of the same area of low-sec.
Finally, if you are going to travel through low sec, get a scout, get instas, or preferably get both.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Have any of those that say it would collapse the game ever played any other MMOG in your life?
Plenty of very successful games out loooooooong! before this one...
...still running and with as much or many more active players at any one time...
...having multiple servers (do to even much greater player base then CCP's servers could possibly handle which would collapse the game for real)...
...and even having seperate PvP serves that have less players then the main servers...
And you guys actualy think PvP drives anything in a "VIRTUAL" world game?
I'm replying to children again aren't I?
this entire world is PVP. when you mine asteroids, you are preventing another player from getting access to those resources. When you sell something on the market you are competing against players for a sell.
There is nothing wrong with this game, it just isn't for you. Don't try and turn EVE into WOW - just go and play WOW and be happy.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:19:00 -
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This should hopefully explain why a non-PvP EVE would be pointless.
Basically, the entire game is about competition, not lootdrops. EVE isn't the same gametype as "any other MMOG".
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
Well... really, with EVE's runaway success, sharding was bound to happen eventually. Even the Tranquility v.2.0 is going to have a glass cieling of about 60,000-odd players. Sooner or later, they'd have to open more geographic shards regardless. Never mind the language barriers, etc...
Essentially, it is disappointing on some level, but should be a surprise to no one.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
And it might even be one of the signs that the end of the world is approaching.
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:27:00 -
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I've played almost every MMOG there is, some to great length and even beta tested... Haven't tried WOW yet tho I will give it a shot some day.
Ultima Online(4 years), Asheron's Call (3 years), Asherons Call II, Dark Ages of Camelot (1 year), EverQuest (1 year), Anarchy Online, WWIIOnline (2 years) Earth and Beyond (2 years) Eve (1 year)
and those are just the pay per play... I've heard all the arguments to PvP before... they don't hold water when put to the test... use old server equipment sitting on shelves anyway start a non PvP server and lets see you PKers put your money where your mouth is and bet on PvP being more desirable then Non PvP... theres only one way to tell for sure... try it and see.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
On this one Maya I have to disagree.,..yes it throws off a guiding principle but it also is inbebbed in practicality... something no one can deny due to laws surrounding MMORPG in China ...
it may lead to the PURE idea of one shard being corrupted...but at the same time it will not lead to the reality of only one shard for most of the worlds players being changed...
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
Ultima Online(4 years), Asheron's Call (3 years), Asherons Call II, Dark Ages of Camelot (1 year), EverQuest (1 year), Anarchy Online, WWIIOnline (2 years) Earth and Beyond (2 years)
As I said, read my blog entry. None of those games possess the same structure as EVE. You literally cannot compare them. The only one that even comes slightly close, maybe, is WWIIOL.
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:30:00 -
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Its a awful idea, how would an aliance claim and protect a region of 0.0 space "smack talk?"
you instanly lose one of the best features of the game.
I dont think many people would switch too a non pvp server, it would be too boring.
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
Well ingame griefing isn't enuff for some ppl... they need to do it on the forums too
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Nistro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nistro on 14/01/2006 19:34:35
i think i may have seen somewhere that CCP are going to use the old hardware to run such things like the web interface stuff and other systems so EVE itself has all the power of the new one for its self
do we not remember a few months back when the load on the server stopped us being able to use the my char screen?
i may be wrong and if i didnt see that somewhere i am sorry 
flame away chaps
some speeling fixes
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Sabe
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
This should hopefully explain why a non-PvP EVE would be pointless.
Basically, the entire game is about competition, not lootdrops. EVE isn't the same gametype as "any other MMOG".
In your opinion.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:37:00 -
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Quote:
They've abandoned that with their plans for Serenity. Wrangler, why is it "not going to happen?". Certainly now a second shards is comming - it's perfectly viable from my pov now that the origional vision has been thrown over.
thats due to legal neccesities and not droping the dream of a single shard (chinese goverment realllly dont like free speach)..think of serenity as eve MK 2 and not a second shard.
as for a non pvp server..well to be honest that will go against the entire concept of eve..it would be taking one half of the game..which would make the second half rather dull boring and redundant. the pvp/pve in this game is a lot more symbiotic than many relise both sides need the other...
people tend to come down hard on hairbrained ideas like this, due to a fear many of us who like eve as it is have off CCP seeing the $$$ signs more than the good game they have, and caving in to the caerbears who detest risk (as they are slowly but surley doing patch by patch..tiny changes in the bears favour which build up but no one complains about as a single change really dont make much difference)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sabe
pkers
I hardly thing the thousands of people in the 0.0 alliances who wage war with each other consider their enemies "pkers".
ASCN: 2491 members
F-E: 2061
Red Alliance: 1532
SA: 1111
FIX: 933
BOB: 916
IRON: 911
PA: 865
VI: 762
5: 627
G: 570
VC: 529
IMP: 499
LV: 429
FOE: 362
HUZZAH: 348
KOS: 333
NBSI: 333
RAZOR: 284
Kaos: 272
U'K: 251
Mortis: 202
TSDS: 182
Pirate Coalition: 148
MC: 146
16915 people - all in alliances who either fight for a living or claim and defend 0.0 space. Not to mention the various merc corps, pirate corps, "lets go fight them" corps in eve. combined it's almost 1/5 of all paying accounts.
you got shot. it happens. get over it.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:42:00 -
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Quote:
16915 people - all in alliances who either fight for a living or claim and defend 0.0 space. Not to mention the various merc corps, pirate corps, "lets go fight them" corps in eve. combined it's almost 1/5 of all paying accounts.
dont forget many of us will have multipal account who are not part of the IGA..i know that i have 2 accounts not part of SA..so do many other i know.
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kebab v2
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby StarFire
Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
Well ingame griefing isn't enuff for some ppl... they need to do it on the forums too
this reminds me of and old quote by a (dev?) person
"Eve online, even the forums have pvp"
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MWEI
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:46:00 -
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Uhm... We already have a non-PVP server, its called Singularity.
Sure theres a size limit, but even so its not filled 24/7, why? because its not EVE, people want to play EVE, not some space simulation that gets bored after 2 minutes.
But if you must, in Singularity everything sells for 1isk, you get a free 1bil isk, it mirrors your skills in Tranq and you are not allowed to pvp unless theres an agreement.
If you want a server like that, just go play sisi.
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Nistro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:52:00 -
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we get a free 1 bil isk on there really
i must go and look at this once i get home
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Serenity has been brought about by very specific circumstances (laws in china), and so don't really form a valid precedent.
That's an excuse.
Regardless of reasoning, it is a second shard. Period.
There may be good reason for it, but it is still throwing a guiding principle away.
It's not a shard. Shards are carbon-copy replicates of servers.
Serenity, and indeed Chinese EVE, is a different game. The game world will be different, vastly different, simply because players shape it to a greater extent in EVE than normal MMO's.
Yes. It will affect Tranquility, because CCP will be getting alot of money from the licencing agreement they have with CCP-China. Serenity is run by a different company, too!
It's not so much throwing a guiding principle away. It's more of a refusal to single-mindedly take a catchphrase and literally chain yourself to it's every single possible nuance.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:05:00 -
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Wrangler OWNS this thread. 
To the OP:
The entire structure of Eve is based on competition. There is almost no NPC market. So if you want to be a miner, you have to find people who want to buy your mins. The people who buy those mins are producers who need people to buy their ships and mods. The people who buy those ships and mods are predominantly PvPers (and some PvEers) who lose their ships and mods in combat.
If you remove PvP (combat) then you remove 90%+ of the demand for new ships and mods. Thus the producers have no one to buy their goods and the miners have no one to buy their mins.
Then the market crashes, prices for mins plummet, while ship and mod prices skyrocket, because the only way to make money is to NPC and run missions. Thus, there's nothing to do in the game, except what is done in every other MMOG, kill rats and horde loot.
Then there's also the fact that PvP in the game isn't just about combat. It's about outminig your competition, selling your goods for a lower price than the competition while still making a profit, etc.
You would effectively make the whole universe 1.0, with no variety or difference between any other system.
The game would stagnate, and be boring, and thus the player-base would drop. So you, and a few others, would be happily hording minerals and killing rats in this galaxy, but there would be no one to interact with. It would be just like every other boring MMOG out there with nothing to distinguish it from any other game, except that you're in a spaceship and not an elf.
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:16:00 -
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Yada yada..
Say all you like, it's a second Eve server. I don't see why people have such a problem with this FACT.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Yada yada..
Say all you like, it's a second Eve server. I don't see why people have such a problem with this FACT.
We're not the ones who have a problem with it...
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: James Lyrus
This is a bad idea.
Cool, now explain why.
Because wrangler said it was.
Oh, and a second server/shard could work, you just have to think creatively. Make it a second galaxy for instance, one that is attached to TQ by a wormhole. Then just use something similar to an ingame, free character transfer to move characters between the shards when they want - maybe for an ISK fee or something, to stop it being used too often. This shard would be exactly the same sans system names perhaps, and it'd still (sorta) fall under the 'one universe' philosophy.
But don't laugh at the OP - personally, I've always wanted a shard that had no empire, just 0.0, so people were truly dependant on one another and couldn't run to NPC protection. It's never going to happen, but I can dream, can't I?
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:29:00 -
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I urge people to understand that Chinees EVE is tecnicaly not a shard.
Why?
Difrent version: modifyed client and all.
Difrent Internet laws: all the restrictions that Chinees goverment feels are nececery to proteckt theye causes.
The mention above results directy as difrent gameplay.
Think EVE-china as Chinees replika of Nike
Not a shard.
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Swedish Bob
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:30:00 -
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I wouldn't mind if the extra servers were used to power scripted corp NPCs. Have it so you can write python scripts to control rented NPC mercs. Then when your corp is offline you have something in the system doing some sort of patroling. Plus it would give the programmers in the corps something extra to do.
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:34:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Sabe
Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
non PVP = no player fighting = no player driven market = no reason for EVE to be an online game...
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Avaleric
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:35:00 -
[70]
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
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Revoker
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:39:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
Implants.
To remove them from your space.
Bounties.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:40:00 -
[72]
Edited by: dantes inferno on 14/01/2006 20:41:09
Quote:
Yada yada..
Say all you like, it's a second Eve server. I don't see why people have such a problem with this FACT.
such an inteligent argument...im am in awe of such a mighty intelect..the IM RIGHT YOUR WRONG should win us all over...drop all your reasons and thought out counter points serenity is a shard whetehr you like it or not!
if your so determined to show that serenity is a shard an not a totaly different version of the game which has to exsist to comply with chinas laws, its either create this independant and heavily modified version of eve, totaly re write TQ (which would see us all leave in protest) or ignore the chinese market..which would be ridiculously stupid for any MMO company to do..considering the size and how lucrative it is, then please come up with a better argument than just repeating it is a shard over and over again like tis a mantra which will make it become fact.
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:42:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
The "Splat!" sound.
/AK
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:44:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
economic damage by destroying implants
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:44:00 -
[75]
/signed
Old equipment can be better used to balance loads. Maybe use them for chat servers, station servers, market servers, wallet servers, etc.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:45:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/01/2006 20:45:29
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
economic damage by destroying implants
Actually, it makes more demands for implants. Maybe I am wrong. Not a trader, not yet a killer.
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Prydeless
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:50:00 -
[77]
to orignal poster:
stfu and no
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:51:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/01/2006 20:45:29
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
economic damage by destroying implants
Actually, it makes more demands for implants. Maybe I am wrong. Not a trader, not yet a killer.
it is damaging to the target.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 14/01/2006 20:55:57
Fair enough set up another server taking resources away from the main game. They would have to code out 50% of the content, alliances, capital ships and the rest of it.
CCP wrote on the box at release EVE is a PVP game. CCP are putting effort into forcing people out of empire into 0.0 to get shot. Which I don't mind but can they force alliances to recruit people? I've looked at alliance corps its like joining the army. I must play 4 days a week, they're having a laugh.
OK I've changed my stance on the second server its wrong and we should all abide by the Asian laws and shut tranquiality down more often to cater for it.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:59:00 -
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This idea is beyond wrong.
Eve is a PERSISTANT universe. Every action has a reaction inside the game.
Splitting the server to make a PvP and non PvP server would destroy the economy, and totally break down the way eve has evolved over the last three years.
I can't even begin to explain how wrong sharding or dividing the eve-community is.
The game environment itself is divided, empire, low-sec, 0.0.
The whole game revolves around risk vs reward. Risk your implants and go into lowsec or 0.0 for more profit, but it IS A RISK YOU TAKE.
If you don't want to risk your implants or ship, then don't go to a place where you put them in danger.
It's as simple as that.
Sharding the server, or splitting up the community would destroy everything that CCP have developed, designed and strived to maintain over the last three years.
People need to accept that eve is designed the way it is to survive. Without the current game architecture, the economy in game would probably collapse, fast.
You also need to realise that the "serenity" cluster is there for a reason. At present CCP have said that it will be a completely INDEPENDANT game world from Tranqulity.
This is to provide full chineese/asian customer support for the eastern coutries, and conform with their gaming legislation.
Serentity will in no way be connected to Tranqility, so the game experience here will not change.
People need to seriously look at what CCP have created. The largest single persistant gaming environment in history, rich with fantastic graphics, a deep backstory and a hell of a lot of gamplay with a million angles to approach it.
Pople who post stuff like this need to realise that like real life, you can't manipulate the game mechanics to suit your lifestyle.
Eve is one shard, and like real life, there are good people and bad people.
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:01:00 -
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Omg, in the last weeks parts of the eve community make me really afraid. I see them as a bigger danger for my beloved eve than lag, macro miners etc.
Voices like: 'I want to fly afk with my indi in low sec and if you kill me, you are a griefer with no life !' omg.
Will this non-sense ever stop ? Seems to get worse every day.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:18:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Snake Jankins
Omg, in the last weeks parts of the eve community make me really afraid. I see them as a bigger danger for my beloved eve than lag, macro miners etc.
Voices like: 'I want to fly afk with my indi in low sec and if you kill me, you are a griefer with no life !' omg.
Will this non-sense ever stop ? Seems to get worse every day.
it's always fun to silence those voices ingame by forcefully removing them from your local. they tend to send you funny mails too.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:23:00 -
[83]
As the self-proclamed king of the carebears, even I think this is a bad Idea. It would destroy all that makes eve, well, EVE.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:42:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Wrangler
Why is everyone so upset? It's not like this will happen anyway, so why troll?
lol, Wrangler. These are the EVE forums... I'll assume your question was a rhetorical one.
To the OP:
Nobody likes getting podded. (Nobody "normal" anyway.) But EVE is a 100% PVP game. PVP doesn't necessarily mean shooting at one another; in EVE's case, it can also mean competition between players. That competition can certainly take the form of seeing who is the better pilot, but it also includes competing for an asteroid to mine from, a rat to shoot at, or a customer on the market.
PVP is essential to EVE's success, and I'd hate to see it taken away or watered down.
Here's a tip that has helped me: "If you're going for a walk in a bear-infested forest, you either carry a big gun, or you wear a bear-proof suit." 
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:47:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
Well, if you're at war with another corp, you want to make it as difficult and expensive for your enemy as you possibly can.
If you're just podding for the sake of podding (eg. camping newbs at a gate, or ganking an honest ratter in a belt), then you're just a punk.
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:53:00 -
[86]
lol Wrangler, you seem bored, run out of beer?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:56:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sabe
Edited by: Sabe on 14/01/2006 19:16:14
Have any of those that say it would collapse the game ever played any other MMOG in your life?
Plenty of very successful games out loooooooong! before this one...
...still running and with as much or many more active players at any one time...
...having multiple servers (do to even much greater player base then CCP's servers could possibly handle which would collapse the game for real)...
...and even having seperate PvP serves that have less players then the main servers...
And you guys actualy think PvP drives anything in a "VIRTUAL" world game?
I'm replying to children again aren't I?
(Just a note for those that think I don't like PvP, I play WWIIOnline, and Counterstrike... I enjoy both games very much... PvP is what I play them for... I Play Eve because I like the game itself and don't want PvP in this kind of game should I choose not to, and would like to have the choice and dont see anything wrong with wanting to play without PvP... :)
Think your problem is a non-PK server than a non PvP server. WW2O, CS, etc. are not really "PvP". If you consider games like that to be PvP, then ALL online games are PvP. MS Chess, MS Hearts, RTS games, etc. are also PvP.
Your problem is PKing.
EvE's PvP is based on PKing. Everything that gets killed drives economy, fun factor, emotional factor. Points that make the game interesting. Try to see EvE as a game, forget the implants (I dont use one and my pod worth 1M - 2M at most), go PK and you will start to enjoy EvE as I do. I tried everything in EvE. PKer, miner, agent runner, etc. Only one thing I havent tried is building. No time to train for those.
If you dont like to be PKed, go PK yourself then you wont have any problem anymore.
BTW, pls change your title in thread. Non PKer server, not PvP. PvP in your sense is just player vs player in any connected games.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2006.01.14 22:03:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Sabe
Would you care to wager on that?
I'bet you a months subscription that it would be an excelent move and a lot of people would go there.
And why do you care if I played on a server without PvP? (serious question, answer it.)
You can still play on the nice new server equipment still.
No PvP and 0.0 becomes quite easy to live in, as the NPC's really aren't that bad. No PvP, and people lose much less equipment to combat because the NPC's are easy. No PvP, and there will be a glut of high end minerals on the market.
You won't worry about losing your ship, and can mine to your hearts content, but so can everyone else so your goods are worthless. The economy of Eve is reliant on PvP to balance it. PvP drives the demand for goods that industrialists produce. Whats the good of having all the megacyte in the world if noone needs a ship built?
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Duraeli
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Posted - 2006.01.14 22:08:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Duraeli on 14/01/2006 22:09:48
Sabe,
This is probably the third or fourth topic you have brought up on this subject, and in each and everyone before it you have reduced yourself to name calling (primarily by calling us all children).
I don't know about other people here, but I'm 23 yrs old...hardly as old as you claim to be, but by that standard also hardly a child. In my alliance I am actually one of the younger players so I'd stand to bet the majority of the player base is at my age or older (with a smattering of older teens). I think it's also important to note that I too started my MMO experience in the MUD worlds, moved to UO, EQ, and have played a lot of the same games you have listed as a sort of curriculum vitae.
That said, and back to your topic, I strongly disagree with you. If you want a sharded gaming environment, with different servers based on different styles of gameplay, you have most definitely come to the wrong place. Eve has been, and always will be (I hope), based on risk versus reward. If you remove the risk aspect of the game it becomes heartless, boring, and essentially every other MMO that people mindless loothorde in. Perhaps, mate, you have just chosen a game that you are not well suited for. No one enjoys losing things they have struggled to gain, but that is hardly justification for remodeling the entire gaming environment.
Griefing does suck...but at least in Eve you are granted the ability to do something about it. Why not pay a merc corp for protection (since you have stated you do not wish to PvP in this game, my guess would be due to the risk of losing assets not disinterest in PvPing)? Why not join up with a corp that can protect you in your production/PvE fighting interests?
Just a thought...
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Dale Cussler
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Posted - 2006.01.14 22:20:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I or you can say a lot of things - fact of the matter remains that with two servers, what's a third one?
I don't think it'll happen soon, but I'll put the idea out there. (I would of laughed at it myself pre-Serenity announcement. Now? Not so)
Because Serenity is tailored specifically towards the Chinese community, with regard to China's laws on MMOG gaming. And they wouldn't have done that if those laws didn't exist, but if CCP wants a share of the China pie, they will have to do this.
There is no direct economic benefit of sharding Tranquility, besides it costing much money and totally destroying the no-shard world idea.
So why don't everyone just get a beer and calm the flip down :P
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Jet Calhoun
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Posted - 2006.01.14 22:36:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Yada yada..
Say all you like, it's a second Eve server. I don't see why people have such a problem with this FACT.
Because of connotations in yours words maybe?
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 22:43:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Avaleric
...and what IS the point of pod-killing by the way..?
It's a mechanic that allows you to forcebly remove a person's presence from your territory. Be glad pod-killing exists, if it didn't you'd end up in a clone station after your ship exploded.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2006.01.14 22:50:00 -
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I suggest we make a 7 foot cyborg that shoots lasers out of it's eyes with the old server hardware, and send it to Iceland in order to keep the dev team motivated and productive.
I think that makes reasonably more sense than making a non-pvp (lol) server.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.01.14 23:23:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Sabe
Originally by: Onubis
Worst idea ever!
PvP is the engine that drives this game, although everyone does not pvp they are all affected by it in some way.
Would you care to wager on that?
I'bet you a months subscription that it would be an excelent move and a lot of people would go there.
And why do you care if I played on a server without PvP? (serious question, answer it.)
You can still play on the nice new server equipment still.
To answer this particular point, since I missed it in my previous post: Because as I and others have already stated, the game would stagnate and die very quickly, as everyone would have to produce all their own goods, since there would be no demand, as prices would be astronomical, because there would be no way to stop people from amassing billions in no time. Thus the game would die.
It would probably be a lot of fun for the first few weeks, as everyone would be starting out with nothing, but as soon as someone got a BS and headed out to the BS spawns, they'd be a billionaire in no time. Then, everyone would follow suit and, since few people, mostly drunk, would lose their ships, there would be no demand for new items. So it gets to my point above fairly quickly.
Therefore, the game would die, as most of the players would get incredibly bored of paying for what they can do for free in Freelancer or X2/3. The devs would fairly quickly have to close down this server, as the few dozen or hundred people playing on it would not support it's running costs each month, let alone all the time it took to recode the whole game to remove PvP.
It would end up as a colossal waste of time, money, and resources for the devs, and would detract from their development of the real Eve. So we would care that you're playing on another server, as you're stealing the resources which the majority of the playerbase would be using.
The key to Eve is that it caters to almost everyone. If you don't want to PvP (combat-wise) there's plenty to do in high-sec safety. But everything you do there relies on PvP combat to sustain it. It's a simple fact of the game that the PvPers cannot live without the "Carebears," and vice-versa. It's a wonderfully symbiotic relationship that most people don't appreciate about Eve.
Originally by: rowbin hod
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.14 23:37:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Jet Calhoun
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Yada yada..
Say all you like, it's a second Eve server. I don't see why people have such a problem with this FACT.
Because of connotations in yours words maybe?
Just because you dislike it does not make it any less true.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.15 00:27:00 -
[96]
well what is true is that youll not see this happy carebear, apple pie faced server anytime soon.
quit eve, go play X3, or freelancer please. think everyone is tired of your pacifistic attitude toward the game , you like safe land? stay in highsec. dont like that, goodbye.
can I have your stuff?
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Benilopax
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Posted - 2006.01.15 00:38:00 -
[97]
I
Cannot
Belive
This
Thread
Exists!
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2006.01.15 02:01:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Sabe
Could CCP start up a non PvP server on the old hardware they have?
I'd gladly walk away from all my SP's and start from scratch to have a server where I can't be podded at a gate by a PKer while traveling.
I don't enjoy losing all my implants to be honest.
My subscription will renew before I can replace them all.
Greifing sucks...
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1.2 What does "massively multiplayer" mean?
The term "massively multiplayer" describes a relatively new form of computer game that has gained popularity in the last decade. Players connect to the game servers via the Internet and interact in real time with other users worldwide.
In the case of EVE, a nominal monthly subscription is charged for each playerÆs account; users are responsible for their own Internet service fees. EVE is not a stand-alone, single player game and can only be played online. Unlike most MMOGs that split a large player base up among small clones of the same game world (called "shards") containing no more than 3,000 people, EVE is unique in that all of its players inhabit the same game world.
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Thats why EVE never will be sharded.
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5.4 How are new players protected from others with malicious intent?
New characters enter the EVE world in high security areas of space, heavily guarded by police ships and sentry guns. Zones with lower security levels are more lucrative in terms of being places to find the highest quality items and opportunities, giving players the incentive to venture further out as they gain skill and experience.
The most powerful characters of various professions û merchants, miners, pirates, bounty hunters, etc. û are all able to maximize their profits in the uncontrolled regions where no laws apply, provided they can hold their own against other players who might profit from their deaths.
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EVE is a PvP game in all its aspects. If you do not agree there are several online games out there, that cater to people with a similar playing style like yours.
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Archa
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Posted - 2006.01.15 04:33:00 -
[99]
is this just great,
not that anyone will read this post. but sure lets just explain this all again.
Non pvp server.
Player 1 goes up to player 2. OMG my agent offered me a faction megathron. this is so cool.
player 2 sais: oh nice, i have 10 bpc's in my hangar.
player 3 nods*
player 4 claims he has 12.
player 5 is quiting eve,
player 5 wonders who his 10.000.000.000 isk should go to.
player 6 wonders who the hell he is going to sell his small pulse laser II's to.
player 7 wonders what to do with his damnation bpo
and player 8 offers 1000000000000000000000.09 isk for the hulk bpo. because the mining barge is the only bpo of value.
Give it a rest,
no pvp = no loss = to much money on the server.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.15 04:40:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Archa
is this just great,
not that anyone will read this post. but sure lets just explain this all again.
Non pvp server.
Player 1 goes up to player 2. OMG my agent offered me a faction megathron. this is so cool.
player 2 sais: oh nice, i have 10 bpc's in my hangar.
player 3 nods*
player 4 claims he has 12.
player 5 is quiting eve,
player 5 wonders who his 10.000.000.000 isk should go to.
player 6 wonders who the hell he is going to sell his small pulse laser II's to.
player 7 wonders what to do with his damnation bpo
and player 8 offers 1000000000000000000000.09 isk for the hulk bpo. because the mining barge is the only bpo of value.
Give it a rest,
no pvp = no loss = to much money on the server.
Uhm, no. Not even nearly close. You seriously think anyone would play a non-pvp server long enough for them to gain that much ISK? Christ no.
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2006.01.15 05:07:00 -
[101]
can you say 'trammel'?
then, can you say 'killed the game'?
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.15 06:06:00 -
[102]
you have GOT to be kidding me, seriously, this post really should not exist
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.01.15 06:08:00 -
[103]
This thread is awesome.
I give it three thumbs way up.
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Apocrypha Gnostromo
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Posted - 2006.01.15 06:37:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
can you say 'trammel'?
then, can you say 'killed the game'?
I don't know how many people will understand that bit about Trammel, but as someone who played UO for seven years (before and after Ren) I sure do. And all I can say is "Amen, brother."
The attitude of the OP is what quite literally tore the heart out of Ultima Online, changing it from a virtual world into an item-collecting game. No, it's not even a game. Games have competition at their core. UO is nothing but a toy now.
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2006.01.15 06:45:00 -
[105]
simple solution for the OP.
go play on sisi.
-ank
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.15 08:03:00 -
[106]
Quote:
Just because you dislike it does not make it any less true.
keep repeating "shard,shard,shard|" then one day it may come true...has it not occured to you that the very fact your the only person ive seen who belive serenity is a shard..may mean you are OMG WORNG by any chance? its been explained about 10 times in this thread alone, by various people why serentiy is not a shard yet you cling to the belife like a drowning man would cling to drift wood.
even if it is a shard (which it is not) no one realyl gives a damn as there is no changes to TQ, only the people affected by chinas laws will be on serenity and there never will be a 3rd server..the only person ive seen with a problem with this is you.
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Baron McCormack
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:20:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Seriously silly idea.
Seriously ignorance reply
If you dont like non-PvP servers, noone forces you to use it. (( while you force non-PvP players to do PvP with every shot you fire at them ))
I like that idea, and i'd LOVE to start all new, no T2 BPOs out, noone with 2 years advantage, no cartels, a plain new start. Keep kill rights in, remove 0.4's freely killing, and i will forget that i have a 10+m SP char on TQ.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:26:00 -
[108]
Only if we call one shard Trammel, and the other Felucca; and you use special crystals that you get off of some rats to travel between the two...
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:35:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Galk on 15/01/2006 11:35:54
Quite funny.
If such a server were to exist it would be a completely different game, but yet most detracters completely ignore that and make anology and draw comparisons with the eve we have here.
Any such server were to exist it would have a completely different style of playerbase for one... secondly.. it would be more pve focused...
With all the loses taken it turn, what often holds eve back for the majority is 'losing it'...
Some people like that, others don't......
Sadly it holds the majority back.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:42:00 -
[110]
Easy solution. Make this server, call the game something different = problem solved
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:43:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 15/01/2006 11:35:54
Quite funny.
If such a server were to exist it would be a completely different game, but yet most detracters completely ignore that and make anology and draw comparisons with the eve we have here.
Any such server were to exist it would have a completely different style of playerbase for one... secondly.. it would be more pve focused...
With all the loses taken it turn, what often holds eve back for the majority is 'losing it'...
Some people like that, others don't......
Sadly it holds the majority back.
Something someone said to me yesterday holds so true in this thread:
In eve, the way it is currently structured, the top player in eve is... the top player in eve. Not some top player on server 53.
Sure, when Serenity is introduced (which, btw, we ALL know is something CCP are loathe to do, but they MUST do it out of necessity, because TQ is NOT compatible with the chinese market) there will be "top player in China, top player in the rest of teh world" - but if CCP could get away with, we'd never have serenity - they'd be silly NOT to introduce it, because the market is just too lucrative.
As for "old hardware, non-pvp? Nah, I'd rather tehy took the old hardware and put it on to Singularity, to be honest.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:53:00 -
[112]
no thank you. most of the arguments i would use have already been done in this thread, so i won't repost them
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:57:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Apocrypha Gnostromo
Originally by: Sergio Ling
can you say 'trammel'?
then, can you say 'killed the game'?
I don't know how many people will understand that bit about Trammel, but as someone who played UO for seven years (before and after Ren) I sure do. And all I can say is "Amen, brother."
The attitude of the OP is what quite literally tore the heart out of Ultima Online, changing it from a virtual world into an item-collecting game. No, it's not even a game. Games have competition at their core. UO is nothing but a toy now.
I'd hate to see EVE die the same miserable death.
Exactly. UO is now like all the other MMORPG. Grind and collect, grind and collect.
I played UO for 5 years. My first MMORPG and one of two online games I have been addicted to. Until Trammel, that is .....
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:58:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Baron McCormack
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Seriously silly idea.
Seriously ignorance reply
If you dont like non-PvP servers, noone forces you to use it. (( while you force non-PvP players to do PvP with every shot you fire at them ))
I like that idea, and i'd LOVE to start all new, no T2 BPOs out, noone with 2 years advantage, no cartels, a plain new start. Keep kill rights in, remove 0.4's freely killing, and i will forget that i have a 10+m SP char on TQ.
You obviously haven't read or thought about what anyone has posted so far.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Afonso Henriques
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:28:00 -
[115]
After gettg my mommy's permission, I was able to post this:
Expect a war dec real soon.
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2006.01.15 13:37:00 -
[116]
Tranquility will still need carebears , mission runners , traders , manufacturers and POS managers. If a lot of them goes to a non PvP-combat server both servers will stagnate.
to op: you can replace implants.
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Archa
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:53:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Archa
Uhm, no. Not even nearly close. You seriously think anyone would play a non-pvp server long enough for them to gain that much ISK? Christ no.
you are so right that i've changed my entire perspective on a non pvp server.
it wouldn't last longer than 2 months...
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Kira Natel
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:23:00 -
[118]
While I do not support this idea;
If you had suggested it be used for a fight club like Sisi, then the most of the naysayers would've been for it.
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Legowan Wealson
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:25:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Kira Natel
While I do not support this idea;
If you had suggested it be used for a fight club like Sisi, then the most of the naysayers would've been for it.
SiSi isn't a fight club, it's a test server. Personally, I hope the old TQ hardware is redeployed to run auxiliary services (like this forum) and to beef up SiSi. CCP really needs to encourage and accomodate for more beta testing so we won't see quite so many bugs in each and every patch.
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