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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:17:00 -
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I'm sick of gate camps (in .4) where the pirates can quite happily sit and tank sentry gun fire all day long. Don't get me wrong, i hate gate camps in general, but usually the gate gankers, sorry, gate campers select targets that are worthwhile, cause once the sentry guns start firing they have to kill then leave fora while.
but lately, im seeing gankers, i wont even deign to call them pirates, hitting EVERYTHING that comes through a gate just because they can.. cause the sentry guns just aren't hurting them.
my solution - make the sentry guns stronger.
War targets - not affected
Pirates - not affected
gate gankers - limited to 1 act of aggression before they need to step away for a while.
the way it is now, certain systems are simply impassable
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:30:00 -
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It's low sec, what can you expect? If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen or fit another thermal hardener! 
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:32:00 -
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ok, for example.
Aunenen.
I can not go from Nonni to Otalieto ANY other way but .0 space..
Either make the sentry guns stronger (especially when they nerf the bookmarks) or make a bypass for low sec's that are the only links between high secs
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megabuzster
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:32:00 -
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another whining thread...
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:33:00 -
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 Originally by: megabuzster
another whining thread...
Its not a whining thread nubbin, its a 'Suggestion' do try and keep up.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:34:00 -
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After having my BlackBird survive sentries blast in low sec with half hull, I'd say nay on making sentry gun stronger.
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Brastagi
After having my BlackBird survive sentries blast in low sec with half hull, I'd say nay on making sentry gun stronger.
Ok, how about, make them stronger, BUT, reduce their rate of fire, which will give the campers a chance to finish before they get spanked by sentry's
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:35:00 -
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Why ?
Noone ever stated you have a divine right to being able to avoid low sec to get to any high sec system you want. Why should you ?
As far as strogner sentries go, this would only worsen the situation in which people start using snipers instead of taking a risk and going in close, tanking the sentries.
Do you really want more snipers rather then pirates that actually do take a risk ? It's quite easy to kill someone that tanks sentries if you would bother to ever try it.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:35:00 -
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Be glad you have sentries at all, they weren't always there. Jesus, for some people it's just never enough...
Oh, I know, a special CONCORD official will hold your hand for you when you go into lowsec, and he'll read you bedtime stories every half hour before your naps! How does that sound?
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Domalais
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jo Deteis
ok, for example.
Aunenen.
I can not go from Nonni to Otalieto ANY other way but .0 space..
Either make the sentry guns stronger (especially when they nerf the bookmarks) or make a bypass for low sec's that are the only links between high secs
People snipe in Aunenen, they dont tank the guns.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:38:00 -
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What would that do then ?
They'd simply tank them like they do now.
I'd say CCP needs to simply up the range of snetries to 250km. Beyond that noone can ever snipe. Tanking sentries is all good, because it measn the pirate etiher takes a much higher risk or needs to bring a few friends to dissuade people from trying to trap him.
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Oh, I know, a special CONCORD official will hold your hand for you when you go into lowsec, and he'll read you bedtime stories every half hour before your naps! How does that sound?
It was a suggestion, not a request for forum ***** pirate wannabes a chance to stretch their limited sarcasm.
why not give a constructive reason why not increase the strength of them instead of giving me your best 14 yr old style insults?
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:39:00 -
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Suggestion: remove local chat from the game
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:39:00 -
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Putting it here would've been the correct forum to make suggestions in.
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megabuzster
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: megabuzster on 14/01/2006 20:39:26
Originally by: Jo Deteis
Originally by: megabuzster
another whining thread...
Its not a whining thread nubbin, its a 'Suggestion' do try and keep up.
yes it is... these posts says for themselves..
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Why ?
Noone ever stated you have a divine right to being able to avoid low sec to get to any high sec system you want. Why should you ?
As far as strogner sentries go, this would only worsen the situation in which people start using snipers instead of taking a risk and going in close, tanking the sentries.
Do you really want more snipers rather then pirates that actually do take a risk ? It's quite easy to kill someone that tanks sentries if you would bother to ever try it.
See I dont mind the fact that the campers are hitting out at haulers etc nipping through there, in fact I understand it, i've been tempted to try it myself.
But the gankers hitting shuttles, ibis's, haulers, frigates.. pretty much whatever they want all day long is what I think is totally ridiculous.
And no, before anyone asks, I didn't get ganked today.. i was just floating a suggestion
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
Suggestion: remove local chat from the game
actually, I can see both a plus and a minus for this.. it might actually encourage real pirates in the game instead of pushing everyone into gate ganking.
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: megabuzster
Edited by: megabuzster on 14/01/2006 20:39:26
Originally by: Jo Deteis
Originally by: megabuzster
another whining thread...
Its not a whining thread nubbin, its a 'Suggestion' do try and keep up.
yes it is... these posts says for themselves..
umm no.. if i had put 'Whine: make sentry guns stronger' in the title, THEN it would say its a whining post..
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Avaleric
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:42:00 -
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...why is a thread like this always filled up instantly with whining from gankers and other scum..?
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jo Deteis
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Oh, I know, a special CONCORD official will hold your hand for you when you go into lowsec, and he'll read you bedtime stories every half hour before your naps! How does that sound?
It was a suggestion, not a request for forum ***** pirate wannabes a chance to stretch their limited sarcasm.
why not give a constructive reason why not increase the strength of them instead of giving me your best 14 yr old style insults?
Constructive reason? Because you aren't supposed to be safe in lowsec. I would've thought this was painfully obvious, but there you are...
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Avaleric
...why is a thread like this always filled up instantly with whining from gankers and other scum..?
I agree.. I dont mind constructive posts like Rod Blaines, but I can see that the ganking community are quick to whine about any suggestion that might make them work for a kill.. go figure
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jo Deteis
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Why ?
Noone ever stated you have a divine right to being able to avoid low sec to get to any high sec system you want. Why should you ?
As far as strogner sentries go, this would only worsen the situation in which people start using snipers instead of taking a risk and going in close, tanking the sentries.
Do you really want more snipers rather then pirates that actually do take a risk ? It's quite easy to kill someone that tanks sentries if you would bother to ever try it.
See I dont mind the fact that the campers are hitting out at haulers etc nipping through there, in fact I understand it, i've been tempted to try it myself.
But the gankers hitting shuttles, ibis's, haulers, frigates.. pretty much whatever they want all day long is what I think is totally ridiculous.
And no, before anyone asks, I didn't get ganked today.. i was just floating a suggestion
People moving BM's maybe using a fast shuttle to do this. Why let any ship by?
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jonkai
People moving BM's maybe using a fast shuttle to do this. Why let any ship by?
Sure, and maybe you're right.. hit the shuttles.. but dont let someone sit and hit the shuttle that goes through, then the hauler that goes through, then the ibis that goes through..
the sentry guns seem totally pointless to this kind of ganker
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jo Deteis
Originally by: Avaleric
...why is a thread like this always filled up instantly with whining from gankers and other scum..?
I agree.. I dont mind constructive posts like Rod Blaines, but I can see that the ganking community are quick to whine about any suggestion that might make them work for a kill.. go figure
No, look - sentries aren't supposed to be CONCORD. They aren't supposed to kill pirates for you, they're supposed to help you. They don't insta-pop campers, and they aren't supposed to. It isn't a bug. It isn't an imbalance. And pirates aren't exploiting the game by tanking them. It's supposed to be that way.
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Vodalus
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:47:00 -
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If these forums had a decent search function, maybe we wouldn't have to hear these same suggestions over, and over, and over, and over, ad nauseum.
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Originally by: Oveur
EVE is primarily a PVP game
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Constructive reason? Because you aren't supposed to be safe in lowsec. I would've thought this was painfully obvious, but there you are...
in that case, why are there sentry guns there at all? to limit the amount of ganking that goes on at a gate.
and thank you for not lowering yourself to 14yr old level this time
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Avaleric
...why is a thread like this always filled up instantly with whining from gankers and other scum..?
Well I've been ganking a pirate today in his HAC with my anti-pie friends near a gate. So does that make me a ganking scum? 
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vodalus
If these forums had a decent search function, maybe we wouldn't have to hear these same suggestions over, and over, and over, and over, ad nauseum.
a search function would be nice.. eve-search hates me
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.14 20:57:00 -
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Did you know that before they boosted sentries multiple times, there was less ganking?
Better sentires = more ganking, not less. Ask any pirate why, and he can tell you.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.14 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/01/2006 21:02:42
Originally by: Jo Deteis
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Constructive reason? Because you aren't supposed to be safe in lowsec. I would've thought this was painfully obvious, but there you are...
in that case, why are there sentry guns there at all? to limit the amount of ganking that goes on at a gate.
and thank you for not lowering yourself to 14yr old level this time
Sentries are NOT supposed to make space safe. They are meant to force gate camping pirates into a position that is by definition not favourable for them when confronted with aqgression against themselves. It's the risk side of a risk v reward equasion.
Ultimately, the responsibility for your safety anywhere in Eve lies with yourself.
But, why tanking sentries is better then sniping.
Tanking sentries puts you at risk in two ways:
1. You are continuously taking damage from sentries, meaning you need to be tanked, meaning you either do less damage or cannot fit EW. Anyone that shoots back does not have this downside, nor does anyone that engages you when sentries have already agressed you. Sure, sentries would shoot them too then, but they would most probably be able to kill you and warp off in time to live.
2. Tanking sentries puts you right into a spot where people can come in and scramble you. Sniping puts you at a spot where that is nearly impossible.
So, if a pirate tank the sentries he is actually doing what he is meant to do: take a risk to get his reward.
The problem with this is that there are far too fwe people ineterested in actually taking these pirates up on that risk. People dont gang up and fight, they log, go around, or whine.
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