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Ezrebeth
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:23:00 -
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I mined for a bit, and barely made any money. I can get missions combat for 100k ususally (including bounties, loot, ect), and mining for the same amount of time got me around 20k-30k.
Am I doing something wrong?
I had a scanner, 3x Miner 1's, and mined in a destroyer.
I believe I was mining massive scordite. Whatever it was, it was the most valuable thing in the asteroid. And still I only got 20k-30k from reprocessing and selling.
What security level asteroid fields is the money at for a miner with around 3-4 mining?
Thanks
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Helene Troi
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Helene Troi on 15/01/2006 11:32:56
Don't plan on making fast cash by mining...
#1 you need a better mining vessel (personally I point my industrial at a big rock and watch telly for half an hour)
#2 you need some blueprints and enter into manufacture eg: if you made your scordite into missile launchers you might sell them for x3isk mineral value!
#3 Just as offline skill training yields dividends, if you mass market, you will make cash offline, you will have an almost constant income aside from bounties and mission running.
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Calleb
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:56:00 -
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You need one of the T1 cruisers with the big mining bonus to start with. Get one as soon as possable - they give an extra 10% to mining yeild per level. That really helps. also you need miner 2.
Also you need mining lvl 5 astrogeaology lvl 5 refining lvl 5 and refining efficiencey lvl 5 to start to get the most out of your mining haul, but lv 4 is a must if you are going to mine seriously.
Learn to bookmark the belt so you can warp in directly where the roids are. Mine to jettisoned can till its full (not a problem now) then go get in a hauler to move the ore back to station. Not a problem if you use the same bookmarks, you will land right on top of your jet can.
You will soon find yourself being able to mine a couple of mill isk of minerals in an hour even in noob space.
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Tregaa Viskne
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:50:00 -
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From what I remember, when I was mining in an Osprey I was making a few mill an hour - that was with 3 miner II's, so must have had mining 4 and I think I had caldari cruiser at 3 at the time. The Scythe is the minmatar equivalant, so figures should be about the same.
Also, look out for better buy orders elsewhere in the region - I used to pick up good buy orders for the ores themselves (rather than refining with low refine skills and loosing all of the income to waste in the refining) in quiet systems.
Jet can mining as described above is the best way to go - just make sure you're in a quiet system... even with criminal flags once they've stole from you, I doubt you'll be able to scratch an experienced ore thief before they get away from you when you're set up for mining.
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Tinwhistle
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:34:00 -
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A lot of good hints here already, so just let me add a few more considerations.
You are probably mining in high sec space. This is a way of making money that has as good as no risk involved - at least compared to other things in EVE. So it is must be less profitable than other things. Look at it this way: everyone and their dog can (and will) do what you do for money, so you cannot expect to get rich by it. If that was possible, then everyone would be rich, and that in turn is not possible. 
That said, here are 3 more things that have not been addressed in this thread so far:
- Work together. By sharing the work load between several miners and a good hauler pilot for example, you can raise your output because you do not have to travel back and forth to unload your ore. Join a corporation for that. Most are always looking for members and miners are usually welcomed with open arms. Even if you like to work on your own, a corp gives you the benfit of experienced people who can answer your questions and give you good hints.
- Play the market. There are big differences in mineral prices depending on where you go and when you sell. For examle, do not sell immediately if you are not in a hurry. You can easily get 10-20% more money for your goods if you put up sell orders instead of selling at the price that other people put their buy orders up at.
Again, it's market mechanics:
by selling immediately, you say "look, I urgently need the money, give me whatever you are willing to give.".
But by putting up a sell order, you say "I am not in a hurry. If you really need my goods, pay my price.".
The market statistics and graphs for your products are your friend here. You can see at which prices stuff gets traded and in which quantities. Use that to derive good prices for your sell orders.
- Raise the bar. Go into lower security areas, look around. The valuable stuff is not where everyone hangs out - it is where most people do not dare to go. The beauty of EVE is that you can do this with moderate equipment and skills. But you must be careful and creative. And of course, this is definitely easier in a corp.
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Ezrebeth
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:21:00 -
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Thanks for the tips.
I wonder if it's better to use one character for fighting and mining if I don't want a second account. Would really only have to train up the mining skills extra....
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Testy McServer
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:40:00 -
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wouldnt suggest that. but thats just me. you could maybe temporarily get a 2nd aco**** and train it as a miner, and then transfer the character over to your main account.
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Tinwhistle
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ezrebeth
I wonder if it's better to use one character for fighting and mining if I don't want a second account. Would really only have to train up the mining skills extra....
Personally, I am not a big fan of using multiple accounts. The only real reason for that is playing 2 characters at the same time, and that, in my opinion, is cheating. 
There is no penalty whatsoever for training skills in different fields, so do it. I have been doing that since the start of EVE, and I can tell you one thing:
it is very nice to have lots of options in this game.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.15 21:55:00 -
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3 ways to make money:
Mining cruiser
Mining barge (retriever)
Hauler + mining laser + afkness
Hauler + mining laser is the easiest to achieve. Mining barge is probably the best, but suffers from being on a different 'branch' to combat skills.
Mining laser IIs are also worthwhile things to go for.
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Charlotte Gallfour
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Posted - 2006.01.16 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Charlotte Gallfour on 16/01/2006 06:42:13
With bounties that's an unfair comparison to mining. I'd say low level courier missions and basic mining, I gain isk at similar rates. Doing agents is a bit better since they don't disappear for a few days unlike asteroids. Mining and trade require big ships. I'd just work up to an industrial as soon as possible. Oh yeah if your sure your not going to be blasted, two or more mining lasers at the same rock is very efficient.
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DarknessInc
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Posted - 2006.01.16 07:26:00 -
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once you get decent skills, and a barge, you really take in the dough.
I can clear an entire belt in my retriever, in kisogo in about seven hours. and thats possibly about 5 Million ISK, but I save it to build my armageddons.
But thats mining Tritanium.
I found a PLAGIO/Pyro rich system in The Forge, that Im mining. I can make big bucks in this system, as long as I have a friendly escort.
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2006.01.16 10:54:00 -
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In my medium barge I do about 3 million an hour on Scordite.
Sometimes close to 5 on Kernite depending on mineral prices.
Low-sec ores (Jaspet, Hedbergite, etc) are all at least 5 million an hour.
Crokite with a Covetor right now is over 40 million an hour. You're going to need escort though.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ezrebeth
I mined for a bit, and barely made any money. I can get missions combat for 100k ususally (including bounties, loot, ect), and mining for the same amount of time got me around 20k-30k.
Am I doing something wrong?
I had a scanner, 3x Miner 1's, and mined in a destroyer.
I believe I was mining massive scordite. Whatever it was, it was the most valuable thing in the asteroid. And still I only got 20k-30k from reprocessing and selling.
What security level asteroid fields is the money at for a miner with around 3-4 mining?
Thanks
Forget those ores, You need to mine in Omber,Hermorphite etc...
or do L3 missions.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:10:00 -
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There is nothing more profitable other than a group of dedicated miners in 0.0
And that includes T2 production too...
The numbers are just sick.
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Combat
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:23:00 -
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Ezrebeth
It might be worth while mining basics (Trit, Pye, Mex & Iso) and hauling them to borders (0.4/0.3) with 0.0 space and setting up sell orders there. You will have alot more success selling Trit, Pye, Mex & Iso at higher prices for 0.0 alliance corps needing these types of minerals than the builders in empire.
I haven't read everyones reply, so appologies if this is duplication but the Osprey is a great mining cruiser and cheap to buy/build and the returns on yeild will be beneficial until such a time that your skills put you in a barge or BS.
Gl
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Szun
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Posted - 2006.01.17 21:10:00 -
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i see a lot of "mining cruiser" remarks
afaik the old mining cruisers got logistic bonuses now and no more mining bonus (correct me if i amwrong)
I used a brutix (gal BC) for mining. After the t1 rewamp it got 425 base cpu. put in 7 miner II and some cpu upgrades in lows and you can outmine a medium barge with ease, with much less effort in skills.
Also a friend in a industrial ship to haul the mins is helpfull too 
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MindReaper
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: MindReaper on 17/01/2006 23:55:17
Originally by: Szun
i see a lot of "mining cruiser" remarks
afaik the old mining cruisers got logistic bonuses now and no more mining bonus (correct me if i amwrong)
I used a brutix (gal BC) for mining. After the t1 rewamp it got 425 base cpu. put in 7 miner II and some cpu upgrades in lows and you can outmine a medium barge with ease, with much less effort in skills.
Also a friend in a industrial ship to haul the mins is helpfull too
A cormerant is your friend as a noob to mining. 5x EP-S miners will fit on it plus a few small rails for handling rats. Saves you from having to spend around 25mil on a ship to mine with. If you want to go with drone skills a vexor wouldn't be a bad ship with drones lvl5, drone interfacing lvl5, advanced drone interfacing lvl5, and mining drones lvl5. A vexor can hold 10 mining drone IIs plus 5 extra small drones for rats with the ship having 4x miner IIs. Saves you from having to get bardge skills and still rakes in some ore while getting some decent combat skills in the process
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Nietor
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Posted - 2006.01.18 00:12:00 -
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My best advice to you is to get a ship with bonuses to mining. 20% per level of skill would net you 80% more ore with a mining of 4. not to mention the bonuses from the skill itself as well.
Also, work on your standings in the place you refine, they take less tax that way, which is more money for you. I believe you need a standing of about 6 to get 0 tax. Throw some skill points into the refining branch (refining, refinery efficiency, [xxxx] ore processing and you'll get more minerals from each refine.
Also, check out surrounding regions for the best prices.. As for me in the system i mine in, i have to make 10 jumps, but i get 10 more isk per isogen i sell from the omber i refine this way. 100,000 isogen at a time, that 10 isk per is a lot of extra money.
nietor in game if you need to contact me, i dont check the forums regularly like i should.
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.18 11:16:00 -
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aren't there trade skills to sell to buyers in increased ranges? Why transport if you have trade and marketing skills? (I think those are the ones you need to sell to buyers in different areas, correct me if i'm wrong)
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.18 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Darkdashing on 18/01/2006 11:25:05
double post
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:06:00 -
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simple: fill lowslots of ur dest with CoProcessors IIs, medslots with a few cap chargers probly, and as many miner IIs in high slots as u can.
aim for 0.5 space,a nd mine omber - i make 5M per cann, and fill a cann every 20mins. another trick for easy money is dont just click "sell item", but make a sell order. you can sometimes double the amount of money you get for it, and people will still buy it a few % above regional average =D
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.01.19 23:39:00 -
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Im no miner but there has been a large drop in mineral prices over the last 3-4 months (i know from my reprocessed loot). Used to be able to sell trit @ 2, now its around 1.4 and mex has nearly 1/2ved from 16 down to 8-9ish.
Its generally the easily mined minerals which makes sense...influx of newer players+macrominers in high-sec space. It just means you need to get at the low-sec belts with the better minerals to get decent profit.
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Kahleena
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Posted - 2006.01.20 01:14:00 -
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Yarr, yes, be putting all that fat ore into a jetcan... then pay no mind as I fly up next to you and warp away... or as you realize your can has been emptied. Yarrr!
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2006.01.20 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 20/01/2006 02:10:28
Specialise. Dont try to mine AND refine. Find a system offering the best price for Ore and sell it unrefined. Newbie mining corp will generally give you a fair price for you ore. Increase your mining and astrogeology skills in tandem, only train up your refining skills once you have topped out your basic mining skills. Use named mining beams they are ~50% better yield. They may appear expensive but will pay for themselves after an hours mining. Mine in a gang with 1 hauler to 3 miners so you can stay on station. Follow this plan and you should be able to make 150k isk an hour mining scordite with a couple of days skill training, and 400k an hour after a weeks training.
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Aragog
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Posted - 2006.01.20 19:47:00 -
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Personaly i think unless your making millions per hour mining in 0.0 then theres no point mining for cash. You can top that going at 0.3 agents and its alot more fun/ 
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.01.20 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 20/01/2006 19:59:52
If you really want the cash barges are not the way to go. Apocs with DCM IIs are. Ive heard one guy making up to 8 billion a week mining mercoxit.... granted he did have 5 accts though. Requires access to Edit:GOOD 0.0 though.
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