In the long run I would hope that some means of getting into more emergent play is provided. Indeed they get into missions because they get tutorials on that.


Perhaps it's time for actual PVP missions? Certainly the mechanics of this I would not know how to implement.

But imagine that in order to get past all of the tutorials one must have "The PVP Mission" done?

And, while it might seem particularly cruel, maybe the game would benefit from a gank mission?

My impression is that the game is wide open for PVP and ganking, but there is no direct promotion of it beyond the "Be the Villain" ad campaign. "Be the Villain" so people sign up and..... here's a tutorial for missions. Here's a tutorial for mining.

Look at it this way and what the OP is writing about becomes clear.

I think if CCP added a PVP mission or even a "gank mission" it would make headlines. And why not? It might even encourage new players to avoid doing the one thing that is almost certain to make them averse to PVP.

(That one thing is to take getting blown up too personally)

Actually, what you offer is a ****-poor attitude, personal insults, and information that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Putting forth the fact that FW space is good for PvP has nothing to do with the fact that joining FW is, at best, only a mediocre gateway to that same PvP. PvP has absolutely nothing to do with the obscene amount of isk that can be made in that space, being as even killing someone's blinged out ship nets you less of a payout than spinning a single Novice plex. The absolute best return for a newbie in FW is to avoid every fight possible, and spin as many plexes as he can. It's the direct antithesis of getting out and learning to play the game and socialize, and ranks right on par with friendless semi-AFK mining and solo mission runners for sending this game down the toilet.

Would you two please argue in your own thread ?

I wouldn't want to ask mods to delete your posts.


Thank you.

Why would you want CCP to interfere in a purely player-driven issue ?

If you disagree with my points, and can't find a response, by all means call the mods and see what they say to your 'request'.

I'd think of it as more like kicking the baby bird out of the nest.

Then it's fly or splat.

Presently it seems like the birds don't get the memo about leaving the nest.

A little surprised the killboard/wardec system hasn't been flamed in this thread yet. Has it? I dosed off a little in q3 of the original post...

But frankly I'm inclined to agree, when I first started I was having crazy fun just getting blown up in hilarious ways. Eventually I got into a corp where the CEO shamed the balls off of people who lost ships, had to be in a gang, had to fit EXACTLY this, NEVER fit these modules. It isn't fun, the odds are astronomically against you, and the longer I play the less I think industrial is a viable playstyle.

What are you looking for ?

Sounds terrible, what corp is this? Name and shame

People gonna do what people wanna do, yo.


Sorry to give such a simplified answer to such a monster post, but Im le tired.

"Make sure you stay away from any lowsec systems, those are just full of griefers"

A little surprised the killboard/wardec system hasn't been flamed in this thread yet. Has it? I dosed off a little in q3 of the original post...

But frankly I'm inclined to agree, when I first started I was having crazy fun just getting blown up in hilarious ways. Eventually I got into a corp where the CEO shamed the balls off of people who lost ships, had to be in a gang, had to fit EXACTLY this, NEVER fit these modules. It isn't fun, the odds are astronomically against you, and the longer I play the less I think industrial is a viable playstyle.

6000 chars of... something...

my 3 years Eve Online history says "hi": started from missions, went through mining, been in WH/0.0 SOV/0.0 NPC/low.....

And i trust to my history more than to your propaganda. Sorry for it

No !

It's the PLAYERS who have responsibility here, not CCP !

When you have an environment of creating a bird then getting kicked out of the next shortly there after, you will find a huge majority of players who will travel the path of least resistance.

Responsibility doesn't even factor in.

Most think that being a villain is about a lack of responsibility. Those are typical thugs.

The stories you read about, you know, the huge news articles about multiple hundreds billion isk scams and awoxs... those are the ones that come from people who realize that responsibility matters.

Not like the silly scammers in trade hubs who spam all day.

Which is what the degenerative masses in this game are quickly filling the void with.

Because CCP wants it so.

Until someone decides otherwise.

That is the true beauty of Eve Online.

If a new player wants to start out mining, I see no problem with that or any direction the game might be headed in.

Because there is a finite number of skills for mining. Plus core skills and drone skills which are usefull for PVP as well.
So what I am saying is just because they start out mining does not make them only a miner. In time they will gravitate to other things especially as mining becomes boring.

The main problem is time. Many players do not stay with eve after the first 3 months. And cross training a toon for ganking makes that toon not viable for mining anymore because of sec standings. To go back and forth between ganking and mining with the same toon is not very workable.

The solution is to find a way around this for the new player which does not require investment in another account and one that does not interfere with the training time of the main toon on the account either.

Maybe if CCP can promote dual training an alt on the same account but for only a month or so for a new player.
Enough time to get the alt skilled up enough to do a gank. Then the dual training ends. He can continue to mine with his main and run around and gank with his alt when he gets bored. It might keep him/her in the game and he/she might even eventually decide to open a sidekick account and move the alt toon over to the sidekick account to continue to advance in the gank trade on his/her alt.

That might work to CCP's advantage in getting more players to stay with eve longer and get more players to run multiple accounts as well. It would just cost CCP a free month of dual training time on a single acount.

I am thinking outside of the box with this. Most players do not want to be told how to play the game but they do want tips how to improve their game play. I think this could be a win/win for players and CCP alike.

Furthermore, you are jumping to conclusions with your assumption that new players don't
want to be told what to do. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, though.

I agree that *nobody* wants to be told what to do,
but this isn't the case in every single possible situation. :p

If you would roll a noobchar and talk to new players, you'll find lots of people who would be more than
happy to know what else they could do than mining or running missions ...

... but they have no idea.


Bringing this information towards them is an actual issue
and would demand a whole new thread all for itself ...