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Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Robotek Hybrid silly russians. huh ? ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Robotek Hybrid silly russians. huh ? playing with you i think Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:48:00 - [33] Heinky politics 4tw.
The End	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:51:00 - [36] Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments Hell I live up here and have no clue what's going on.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:53:00 - [37] Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ? ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Xrak	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:53:00 - [38] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate. FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA.
The End	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Xrak Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate. FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA. 90% right on the nose :D
nkldklnkv	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:58:00 - [40] Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments What exactly do YOU know?
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ? f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:06:00 - [42] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ? f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently I know for a fact we (NBSI) have members fighting side by side with f-e every day gate camping and patrolling the pipe.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:09:00 - [43] Originally by: The End Originally by: Xrak Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate. FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA. 90% right on the nose :D For nearly 1.5 years combat pilots from the region we grew up in have been propping up those from the PA, End. Time to cut them off, I reckon. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Xendie	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:10:00 - [44] Originally by: nkldklnkv Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments What exactly do YOU know? shouldnt you ask "what exactly dont you know?" instead. -------- Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ? f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently I know for a fact we (NBSI) have members fighting side by side with f-e every day gate camping and patrolling the pipe. well nbsi arent strong enough any more with the big member leave with e-r Pa are the main culprits afaik Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Cartiff	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:12:00 - [46] Interesting Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
nkldklnkv	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: nkldklnkv Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments What exactly do YOU know? shouldnt you ask "what exactly dont you know?" instead. If I wanted info on how to (poorly) gate camp/snipe ppl in empire, I'd ask you ok nub?
The End	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: The End Originally by: Xrak Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate. FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA. 90% right on the nose :D For nearly 1.5 years combat pilots from the region we grew up in have been propping up those from the PA, End. Time to cut them off, I reckon. tee hee
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Shin Ra Heinky politics 4tw. hehehe
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:29:00 - [50] In true Pheonix style they'll probably get the **** kicked out of them, then get right back up. Fleshreaper Inc. Representative
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:32:00 - [51] Originally by: CardboardSword42 In true Pheonix style they'll probably get the **** kicked out of them, then get right back up. ...as a completely new version :s Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
FOEHAMMER006	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:38:00 - [52] waves to PA and NBSI hope you guys have fun
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.01.17 02:39:00 - [53] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: The End Originally by: Evil Thug gj ATUK. You managed to split em. hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ? f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently yupp, seen it with my own eyes. respectable and good decision, F-E -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.01.17 03:11:00 - [54] Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 17/01/2006 03:11:37 Hmm FE did show more spirit than PA, but PA have the better pilots. Alone u fall, united u stand sort of lark, however i don't have a clue on the ins and outs of FE/PA politics so i dunno if its a good decision or not.
Farscape Hw	Posted - 2006.01.17 03:23:00 - [55] Just so long as we get to keep out wars... i dont know what ide do without concord spamming my inbox every day
Svett	Posted - 2006.01.17 04:02:00 - [56] I can understand breaking off relations with PA, but NBSI as well I don't get. /shrug
Uggs386	Posted - 2006.01.17 04:14:00 - [57] should be very interesting times ahead for pa and nbsi. gl to all.
The Jok3r	Posted - 2006.01.17 04:22:00 - [58] Edited by: The Jok3r on 17/01/2006 04:23:28 where are all the .5. forum*****s? What does PA and NBSI officially have to say??? "Were do they get those wonderful toys?"
The Jok3r	Posted - 2006.01.17 04:22:00 - [59] Edited by: The Jok3r on 17/01/2006 04:23:08 double "Were do they get those wonderful toys?"
Nyxus	Posted - 2006.01.17 04:28:00 - [60] No worries, we won't let the war with 5 drop. Ever. This whole thread gets a giant "meh" from me. Maybe it's because RL has kept me afk for extended periods. The problem I see lies in the fact that some of the F-E leadership is overly emotional and prone to unplanned, half-baked decisions and public tantrums either in forums or allied channels. See this thread as a prime example. Could an evemail have been sent expressing the issue? Sure, but appearantly a tantrum in public is more immediately gratifying. But since Persh has broached the subject I will hazard a guess as to what the crankiness is about. Fundamental differences on how to attack ATUK in H-PA. Fighting the 5 and ASCN for over a year now has taught us something. Hell, I will be the first to admit it that I learned it from them. The value of planning and long-term vision and working towards a goal is the "Win-button" for Eve. Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month? No, but they know that the aquisition of more capital ships will strenghten thier pvp ops immensly. I can't speak for anyone else but NBSI ops are planned. Extensively so that we aren't wasting resources. So that we optimize our operations. Hell, we still LEEEEEEERRROOOYYYY all the time and die a lot (ok, more than a lot) but for the most part planning wins over flailing around like idiots 90% of the time. When the idea of assaults on H-PA started, the concept was to bring a large force with lots of dreads (like 10+)blow the ATUK POS to bits and then camp them in the stations. So the next question to F-E leadership was "email us the time you want to stage the attack, and when/where you want to form up and we will be there. A weekday would prlly be best." For 5 days, in multiple channels, evemails, and timezones the question was asked. No one knew. No one answered. Then, on a saturday during primetime there are screams of "Come help us in H-PA, come help us in H-PA!" with 15min warning. Any planning? Nope. Worst time for lag? Yep. Did F-E commit any Dreads? Nope. Was NBSI going to go running in and risk capital ships to help a half-baked unplanned assault that they didn't bother to tell anyone about during primetime to maximize lag while not risking any dreads of thier own? Nope. When F-E leadership decided to camp H-PA and not actually kill the POS NBSI wasn't happy. It's an exercise in futility since they can just go afk in the POS and use it to form up. But we came several times, and F-E couldnt get our folks access to thier new TS. We also couldnt get access to the POS. They had a small skirmish when we were 2 jumps out then when we got there decided "to go afk for couple of hours" in thier pos while our fleet had to hop SS's for the entire time. No *planning. No overall goals* with small steps to achieve them. No *vision* Since lagging around in H-PA does nothing unless you pop the POS and lag sucks till the server upgrades are done (please see Farscapes prime example here) we patroled the pipe. NSBI has been camping the pipe and M-O with F-E every day. We also have engaged R.I.S.K. and thier flunkies SOHK that have been raiding the pipe and low sec near Taisy. War decced them becuase a good chunk of our people were getting very negative sec statuses from engaging. Even managed to destroy one of thier Phoenix Dreads and all support the other day. So NBSI has been sweeping the pipe, war deccing hostiles, and killing enemy dreads while FE camp H-PA or sit in thier POS. We would be happy to come kill the POS but F-E leadership can't seem to get organized. I fully expect an emotionally charged rant/flame to come from F-E leadership. But would rather be suprised with a retraction of the OP and a real planning session instead. Nyxus Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.

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