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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:16:00 -
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As of now FE is no longer allied with PA and NBSI. The mutually benificial relationship we had with them ceased to exist a long time ago. It is time for us to move on. We wish them the best of luck. |
wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 17/01/2006 00:18:02
first !!
wow interesting news 
soar angelic now recruting |
Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:19:00 -
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Good luck, does that mean you will be shooting them now?
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:20:00 -
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atta persh
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:20:00 -
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Indeed very interesting can i ask why??
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:21:00 -
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Thanks for the fights in H-PA to all parties involved. I'm sure this won't change much 
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:22:00 -
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Good move. All announcements should be this direct.
Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever.
-Aristophane
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Indeed very interesting can i ask why??
warrrrrr
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Indeed very interesting can i ask why??
to much of this :http://owp.millennium-eve.com/index.php?comic=./comics/omgwtf0038.gif
soar angelic now recruting |
Altar Mei
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
As of now FE is no longer allied with PA and NBSI. The mutually benificial relationship we had with them ceased to exist a long time ago. It is time for us to move on. We wish them the best of luck.
^^ noob get a banner
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
All announcements should be this direct.
Indeed.
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btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |
Xeriuz
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:26:00 -
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hope you go down like FoE
X
You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It |
Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:27:00 -
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The only thing fighting for PA just took a dump on PA... Poor PA..
Stressed out with empire politics?
Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind. |
juduzz
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:29:00 -
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Took yas long enough GJ
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Buzee
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Buzee on 17/01/2006 00:29:23
post with ur main
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SWAT Kat
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:33:00 -
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Thanks for all d fun so far, cya after d weekend 
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:43:00 -
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I wont say I told ya so *winks at PA*
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BlahBlahjoneshehe
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: BlahBlahjoneshehe on 17/01/2006 00:46:54
heh
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: BlahBlahjoneshehe
Edited by: BlahBlahjoneshehe on 17/01/2006 00:44:22
Edited by: BlahBlahjoneshehe on 17/01/2006 00:44:15
heh
Ok you needed to edited you post 2 times just to write heh???
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:47:00 -
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maybe i should joi u with an alt - i bet u have alot of fun in the north now.
lookin forward to the next event up there, and gl.
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BlahBlahjoneshehe
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:47:00 -
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my forums are bugged. keep getting thread not displayed on edit:-p away with ye, wench!
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:48:00 -
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No surprise there.
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
No surprise there.
I wasn't up to date on the Northern politics then, completely unexpected.
So, more details on exactly what this means F.E. and the goal of this action would be nice?
"On My Signal, Unleash Hell" |
Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:53:00 -
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Not terribly surprising.
Hope you all have fun 
Eve Blacklight Style
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TylerJames
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Posted - 2006.01.17 00:53:00 -
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hmmmm
killboard |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:15:00 -
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Good luck FE.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:27:00 -
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"So, more details on exactly what this means F.E. Are they KOS? The goal of this is?"
Think it's more to the effect of "every man for himself" rather than "kill them all"... ^^;;
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:34:00 -
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:39:00 -
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gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
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Ash to Ash
Dust to Dust |
Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hardly. this announcement did nothing butmake things official silly russians. 
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
silly russians.
huh ?
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Ash to Ash
Dust to Dust |
ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Robotek Hybrid
silly russians.
huh ?
playing with you i think
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:48:00 -
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Heinky politics 4tw.
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The End
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments 
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate. |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
Hell I live up here and have no clue what's going on.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ?
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Ash to Ash
Dust to Dust |
Xrak
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate.
FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA.
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The End
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate.
FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA.
90% right on the nose :D
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nkldklnkv
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
What exactly do YOU know?
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.17 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ?
f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ?
f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently
I know for a fact we (NBSI) have members fighting side by side with f-e every day gate camping and patrolling the pipe.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: The End
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate.
FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA.
90% right on the nose :D
For nearly 1.5 years combat pilots from the region we grew up in have been propping up those from the PA, End.
Time to cut them off, I reckon.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: nkldklnkv
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
What exactly do YOU know?
shouldnt you ask "what exactly dont you know?" instead.
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Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Liet Traep
Originally by: ParMizaN
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ?
f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently
I know for a fact we (NBSI) have members fighting side by side with f-e every day gate camping and patrolling the pipe.
well nbsi arent strong enough any more with the big member leave with e-r
Pa are the main culprits afaik
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Cartiff
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:12:00 -
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Interesting
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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nkldklnkv
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: nkldklnkv
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
What exactly do YOU know?
shouldnt you ask "what exactly dont you know?" instead.
If I wanted info on how to (poorly) gate camp/snipe ppl in empire, I'd ask you ok nub?
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The End
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
Yes. The5 have pretty muched crushed pa/nbsi into something disorganized and ineffective. However this split isnt something new. It is something that happend along time ago. We are simply making it official so we will no longer be liable to defend pa/nbsi in any future wars they might instigate.
FE has done more then their fair share of looking after PA.
90% right on the nose :D
For nearly 1.5 years combat pilots from the region we grew up in have been propping up those from the PA, End.
Time to cut them off, I reckon.
tee hee
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Heinky politics 4tw.
hehehe 
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CardboardSword42
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:29:00 -
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In true Pheonix style they'll probably get the **** kicked out of them, then get right back up.
Fleshreaper Inc. Representative |
ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: CardboardSword42
In true Pheonix style they'll probably get the **** kicked out of them, then get right back up.
...as a completely new version :s
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
FOEHAMMER006
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:38:00 -
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*waves to PA and NBSI* hope you guys have fun
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.01.17 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: The End
Originally by: Evil Thug
gj ATUK. You managed to split em.
hate when people have no idea what is going on make comments
Yes. You are right. I have no clue, whats going on in north - too busy with another things. I thought, that PA, FE, NBSI succesefully fighting ATUK together. May be you`ll tell more, to ppl without clue, like me ?
f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently
yupp, seen it with my own eyes.
respectable and good decision, F-E 
-G- Pink Power
Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P |
HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 17/01/2006 03:11:37
Hmm
FE did show more spirit than PA, but PA have the better pilots.
Alone u fall, united u stand sort of lark, however i don't have a clue on the ins and outs of FE/PA politics so i dunno if its a good decision or not.
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Farscape Hw
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Posted - 2006.01.17 03:23:00 -
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Just so long as we get to keep out wars... i dont know what ide do without concord spamming my inbox every day
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Svett
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:02:00 -
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I can understand breaking off relations with PA, but NBSI as well I don't get.
/shrug
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:14:00 -
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should be very interesting times ahead for pa and nbsi. gl to all.
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The Jok3r
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: The Jok3r on 17/01/2006 04:23:28
where are all the .5. forum*****s?
What does PA and NBSI officially have to say???
"Were do they get those wonderful toys?" |
The Jok3r
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: The Jok3r on 17/01/2006 04:23:08
double 
"Were do they get those wonderful toys?" |
Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:28:00 -
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No worries, we won't let the war with 5 drop. Ever. 
This whole thread gets a giant "meh" from me. Maybe it's because RL has kept me afk for extended periods.
The problem I see lies in the fact that some of the F-E leadership is overly emotional and prone to unplanned, half-baked decisions and public tantrums either in forums or allied channels. See this thread as a prime example. Could an evemail have been sent expressing the issue? Sure, but appearantly a tantrum in public is more immediately gratifying.
But since Persh has broached the subject I will hazard a guess as to what the crankiness is about.
 Fundamental differences on how to attack ATUK in H-PA.
Fighting the 5 and ASCN for over a year now has taught us something. Hell, I will be the first to admit it that I learned it from them. The value of planning and long-term vision and working towards a goal is the "Win-button" for Eve. Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month? No, but they know that the aquisition of more capital ships will strenghten thier pvp ops immensly. I can't speak for anyone else but NBSI ops are planned. Extensively so that we aren't wasting resources. So that we optimize our operations. Hell, we still LEEEEEEERRROOOYYYY all the time and die a lot (ok, more than a lot) but for the most part planning wins over flailing around like idiots 90% of the time.
When the idea of assaults on H-PA started, the concept was to bring a large force with lots of dreads (like 10+)blow the ATUK POS to bits and then camp them in the stations. So the next question to F-E leadership was "email us the time you want to stage the attack, and when/where you want to form up and we will be there. A weekday would prlly be best."
For 5 days, in multiple channels, evemails, and timezones the question was asked. No one knew. No one answered. Then, on a saturday during primetime there are screams of "Come help us in H-PA, come help us in H-PA!" with 15min warning. Any planning? Nope. Worst time for lag? Yep. Did F-E commit any Dreads? Nope.
Was NBSI going to go running in and risk capital ships to help a half-baked unplanned assault that they didn't bother to tell anyone about during primetime to maximize lag while not risking any dreads of thier own? Nope.
When F-E leadership decided to camp H-PA and not actually kill the POS NBSI wasn't happy. It's an exercise in futility since they can just go afk in the POS and use it to form up. But we came several times, and F-E couldnt get our folks access to thier new TS. We also couldnt get access to the POS. They had a small skirmish when we were 2 jumps out then when we got there decided "to go afk for couple of hours" in thier pos while our fleet had to hop SS's for the entire time.
No planning. No overall goals with small steps to achieve them. No vision
Since lagging around in H-PA does nothing unless you pop the POS and lag sucks till the server upgrades are done (please see Farscapes prime example here) we patroled the pipe.
NSBI has been camping the pipe and M-O with F-E every day. We also have engaged R.I.S.K. and thier flunkies SOHK that have been raiding the pipe and low sec near Taisy. War decced them becuase a good chunk of our people were getting very negative sec statuses from engaging. Even managed to destroy one of thier Phoenix Dreads and all support the other day.
So NBSI has been sweeping the pipe, war deccing hostiles, and killing enemy dreads while FE camp H-PA or sit in thier POS. We would be happy to come kill the POS but F-E leadership can't seem to get organized.
I fully expect an emotionally charged rant/flame to come from F-E leadership. But would rather be suprised with a retraction of the OP and a real planning session instead.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:53:00 -
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Good idea. Keep talking crap about FE. See what happens. |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.17 04:58:00 -
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I for the most part had a positive experience working with F-E. Spent a lot of hours camping m-o or p3en. Lots of fights in the pipe there. It's been fun. Whatever the future holds for NBSI or the other alliances it's been a blast.
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.01.17 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kerosene on 17/01/2006 05:04:43
Originally by: pershphanie
Good idea. Keep talking crap about FE. See what happens.
Nyxus isn't talking crap about anyone. From a neutral standpoint it looked like he was trying to point out the problems with the current PA/NBSI/F-E relationship, albeit slightly more abrasively than I would have done.
The key point was there's a breakdown of communication up there and some high up people need to get together over TS and a beer and sort out what to do. It saddens me to see such a deterioration of affairs up there when in fact you're all on the same side and fighting for the same thing. Repair whatever communication problems you guys have before its too late and give .5./RISK/FoE a good spanking.
edit: And I too have had good experiences working with F-E in the past. I don't know what's changed 
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Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.01.17 05:22:00 -
[64]
and in a completely unrelated matter................ohnoes
Volt
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The End
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Posted - 2006.01.17 05:24:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Kerosene
Edited by: Kerosene on 17/01/2006 05:04:43
Originally by: pershphanie
Good idea. Keep talking crap about FE. See what happens.
Nyxus isn't talking crap about anyone. From a neutral standpoint it looked like he was trying to point out the problems with the current PA/NBSI/F-E relationship, albeit slightly more abrasively than I would have done.
The key point was there's a breakdown of communication up there and some high up people need to get together over TS and a beer and sort out what to do. It saddens me to see such a deterioration of affairs up there when in fact you're all on the same side and fighting for the same thing. Repair whatever communication problems you guys have before its too late and give .5./RISK/FoE a good spanking.
edit: And I too have had good experiences working with F-E in the past. I don't know what's changed
well from the way i read he was talking crap is :)
tis a very fragile time people need to think before they talk.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.17 05:51:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Liet Traep
I for the most part had a positive experience working with F-E. Spent a lot of hours camping m-o or p3en. Lots of fights in the pipe there. It's been fun. Whatever the future holds for NBSI or the other alliances it's been a blast.
can only say the same about NBSI, hope we'll be allies sometime soon again <3
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.01.17 05:52:00 -
[67]
Originally by: pershphanie
Good idea. Keep talking crap about FE. See what happens.
ive to agree with persh on this one.
FE brought the numbers, FE brought the "fleetfights" 8 of 10 times in HPA, FE brought the dreads, FE brought the POS and last but not least they brought the FC's.
If you didnt have time to "join" in their organisation of things after 2 weeks then its you who are slow and lazy, not them rushing things.
As for the pipe, throwing a 50 bs fleet on a daily basis towards a shared enemy or camping a gate with 4 ceptors and a bubble surely has a different quality, no ?
And size is here clearly no superlative, afterall nbsi were the first to claim to be "as small, fit, organized and powerfull as five" while effectively after ER leaving weve not seen any larger sized bs fleets from you lot (20 bs + support should be no problem for an alliance, hell its no even a problem from atuk- a corp).
In the end it was prolly the right decision, happens when u dont pull your weight, right PA/NBSI?
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Recluse Viramor
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Posted - 2006.01.17 05:53:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Nyxus
No worries, we won't let the war with 5 drop. Ever.
This whole thread gets a giant "meh" from me. Maybe it's because RL has kept me afk for extended periods.
The problem I see lies in the fact that some of the F-E leadership is overly emotional and prone to unplanned, half-baked decisions and public tantrums either in forums or allied channels. See this thread as a prime example. Could an evemail have been sent expressing the issue? Sure, but appearantly a tantrum in public is more immediately gratifying.
stuff....
I fully expect an emotionally charged rant/flame to come from F-E leadership. But would rather be suprised with a retraction of the OP and a real planning session instead.
Nyxus
You know what, I can't really disagree on any point, from my point of view.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Good idea. Keep talking crap about FE. See what happens.
I haven't critisized F-E.
The thing is, F-E has GREAT pilots. And NSBI respects F-E because they turn out to fight. Of all people we appreciate that willingness to fight. It's not that common in any alliance not specifically structured to be military aka BoB.
What we want is more organization. Planning. Followthrough. Temperateness That is how you inspire loyalty, trust, and have effecacious ops with large groups.
We want an organized operation so we can work together effectively, rather than try to pull things together at the last minute and expect everyone else to try to do the same. Planning is how you dig a pvp alliance out of an entrenched position in an NPC station.
As for now NBSI will leave F-E at blue and will continue our clearing of the pipe and predations on both 5/RISK/FoE/anything not blue. Persh if you don't want FE to stay blue then please send DJ Lightning an evemail and he will adjust standings.
We would love to come to H-PA with a fleet and capital ships to blow the crap outta the ATUK POS and camp them so they have nowhere to hide. If F-E leadership can organize a time to do it let us know. Otherwise we will continue to hunt them everywhere else just as we have been.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Apache
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:17:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Nyxus
Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month?
OMG. Please tell me you don't know something I don't.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:20:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Kcel
If you didnt have time to "join" in their organisation of things after 2 weeks then its you who are slow and lazy, not them rushing things.
TBH it's not about "joining" them in H-PA. It is more about its usefulness as a tactic to force The 5 out. As long as the ATUK POS exists it's pointless to camp in that system since they have a safe spot to form up in. Take out the POS however....and camping the system suddenly becomes usefull since 5-6 constantly scanning cov ops leaves any enemy ship no where to hide besides in the station itself.
Originally by: Kcel
camping a gate with 4 ceptors and a bubble surely has a different quality, no ?
Heh. I don't think we just engaged 2 dreads and support last week with just 4 ceptors, do you?
Besides, anything you say is extremely suspect as any rift in the North benefits the 5, and hence your desperation to try to drive allies apart. It's acutally amusing to read posts from a week ago where you bad-mouth F-E then read you praise them here lol.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Apache
Originally by: Nyxus
Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month?
OMG. Please tell me you don't know something I don't.
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:32:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Nyxus
Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month?
Dianabolic does. He sends me screenshots of dozens of RKK mining barges, strip miners lighting up space, while screaming, "PWND!!!" at me in capital letters on MSN. The man is losing it, I tell you....
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History of the MC Teaser Trailer |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:41:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Apache
Originally by: Nyxus
Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month?
OMG. Please tell me you don't know something I don't.
Come on Apache I know of you of old. Don't tell me the sweet sounds of the veld doesn't call to you!
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:43:00 -
[75]
Persh, I think you know exactly how worried myself and my pilots are about F-E. Since you folks want to just camp H-PA uselessly (while it may be fun) we have been patrolling the pipe, camping empire entrances, and hunting low sec.
I do not particulary wish to restart hostilities, and we will not take any action until F-E shoots first.
Good luck to F-E. Hope this works out better than for your predecessors.
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nyxus
TBH it's not about "joining" them in H-PA. It is more about its usefulness as a tactic to force The 5 out. As long as the ATUK POS exists it's pointless to camp in that system since they have a safe spot to form up in. Take out the POS however....and camping the system suddenly becomes usefull since 5-6 constantly scanning cov ops leaves any enemy ship no where to hide besides in the station itself.
We came up to fight the5. Killing a pos is nice, but it's not exactly an 'i win button'. I thought you guys wanted to fight too. If i would have known you guys werent up to fight it we would have never been talked into war decing them.
You guys couldnt pull your weight neither could pa. nbsi/pa have the available pilots to go gank kia in geminate and zoom around the south ganking miners yet you cannot assist us in any real way in defending our own regions. This is unacceptable.
Please dont come at me with any 'unite the north!' stuff because I know its all crap. Our decision is final. There will be no kissing and making up. GL |
Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:55:00 -
[77]
First of all i would like to thank all who were involved in these huge events that occured in the past few months , our Ex allies PA and NBSI and our Enemies and EX enemies 5, SA, FOE, V. This was a great event indeed in which many of us had lots of fun and also learned a lot from it , so respect is in order to all who were involved.
Every one knows FE has fought this war with Honor and Pride and we NEVER backed out on any fight what so ever, both our allies and enemies know that about us  FE like any alliance has an agenda to full fill and now it is time for us to move ahead and proceed with that agenda like all alliances do so there is no big secret behind it
This aint the end of the war nor the start of a new on this is just a change in directive and goals , again thanks to all who have been involved and hope you all had as much fun as we did .
"What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.01.17 06:55:00 -
[78]
I WANT A KISS PLZ
VOlt
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.17 07:03:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Voltron
I WANT A KISS PLZ
VOlt
SMOOOOCHHH
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Yuzier OA
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Posted - 2006.01.17 07:18:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Yuzier OA on 17/01/2006 07:18:49
Well F-e fought and died, without much help, good call pershephanie
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dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 07:23:00 -
[81]
Originally by: pershphanie
Good idea. Keep talking crap about FE. See what happens.
Y what u gonna do ?
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:03:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Pershphanie
If i would have known you guys werent up to fight it we would have never been talked into war decing them. You guys couldnt pull your weight neither could pa.
We have been fighting the 5 since the fall of Xetic. We are always up for fighting them. Always have been. Always will be.
It's a matter of tactics. NBSI believes that blowing up the ATUK POS and then camping the system makes tactical sense since the 5 fleets would not be able to form up outside the station at all. Anything else is just pointless as the 5 fleets can just sneak out and form up at the POS then engage in pointless laggy fleet battles.
You say NBSI are not pulling thier weight, but we are clearing the pipe for both of our benefits constantly. We have been attacking RISK POS and hostiles both in empire and 0.0, including killing the RISK dread on Friday.
The truth is, you told NBSI to do a tactically unsound manuever in H-PA and our fleet commanders said no. And instead of trying to come to an agreement or re-evaluate the situation you have decided to make a this statement here.
We LOVE shooting at 5. We have stated what we want from F-E leadership if you want everyone to camp H-PA. But just because we don't allow F-E leadership to dictate what NBSI fleets do does not mean that we are not "pulling our weight". It means that we don't blindly follow orders from another alliance.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:05:00 -
[83]
whatever helps you sleep at night. Hope you show those pos's whos the boss. have fun defending your space. |
Voltron
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:07:00 -
[84]
Originally by: pershphanie
whatever helps you sleep at night. Hope you show those pos's whos the boss. have fun defending your space.
can I sleep with you at night?
Volt
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Ishana
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:11:00 -
[85]
I'm confused...
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:14:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Nyxus
Look at BoB. Do you REALLY think that they want to mine veld for the next month?
Dianabolic does. He sends me screenshots of dozens of RKK mining barges, strip miners lighting up space, while screaming, "PWND!!!" at me in capital letters on MSN. The man is losing it, I tell you....
You've had it easy tbh, you should see the stuff he'n Blacklight swap in the BoB directors IRC channel, those poor Merc rocks.. /me shudders
....
Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
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Ceratin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:15:00 -
[87]
2006.01.14 08:45
Ceratin has declared forum war on E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:16:00 -
[88]
And here I am stuck with Syphilis....
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:17:00 -
[89]
Persh is mine Volt and she has syphilis,just doesn't know it yet
Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever.
-Aristophane
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 08:29:00 -
[90]
About time Persp.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:01:00 -
[91]
:CONFUSED FACE:
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:05:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Liet Traep
f-e ahve been doing all the fighting for them aparently
I know for a fact we (NBSI) have members fighting side by side with f-e every day gate camping and patrolling the pipe.
Indeed - and the few members of your two alliances that have stuck around to participate in the defence of your home regions, deserve applause & respect.
Not too many of them though, is there. Where were the rest of you?
We declared on 5. For PA (although with a certain amount of relish, I will admit).
We fought KIA. For PA.
We fought RISK. For PA.
We fought V. For PA.
We moved to H-PA to take the fight to 5.
We asked you (PA & NBSI) for more support months ago. Didn't happen.
We told you (PA & NBSI) that we couldn't do it alone a month later. Couple of fleets, then nothing.
We told you (PA & NBSI) a few weeks before christmas that if things continued as was, we'd pull out of H-PA. Again, couple of fleets, then nothing.
Recently, what's happened when we (FE)'ve tried to contact you (PA & NBSI)? Rejected convos, unanswered evemails.
Then - the final straw. We discover that you've been shooting at KIA again, bringing them to our space.
i.e. We've been fighting the guys in your front room whilst you've been round the block fighting someone totally unrelated.
Planning? Organisation? You expect FE to provide these things for the defence of Venal?
I hear you when you say you don't like blobbing & would rather go wolf packing 'cos it's more fun. You're right. It is more fun.
But hey. You want to claim 0.0 space? You gotta do what's neccesary. Even if it means blobbing.
Answer me this - why should we have committed our dreads to an arena where we could not depend on the numbers from your two alliances? If you'd've joined us in H-PA & proved that you could field an adequate support blob, you'd've seen the dreads (not just ours, I might add), the ATUK POS would be gone, & we'd still be playing poker and smackdancing local with siim & script.
You guys had the chance (OVER THE COURSE OF MONTHS!!!!) to use our support & rid yourselves of your enemy. Instead, you went somewhere else & brought KIA up into tribute.
Good planning mate...
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Silvitni
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:28:00 -
[93]
Originally by: pershphanie
whatever helps you sleep at night. Hope you show those pos's whos the boss. have fun defending your space.
Aye, have fun defending your space persh
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:33:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Silvitni
Originally by: pershphanie
whatever helps you sleep at night. Hope you show those pos's whos the boss. have fun defending your space.
Aye, have fun defending your space persh
I think we'll be just fine, thx. |
dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:44:00 -
[95]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Silvitni
Originally by: pershphanie
whatever helps you sleep at night. Hope you show those pos's whos the boss. have fun defending your space.
Aye, have fun defending your space persh
I think we'll be just fine, thx.
persh i just want to ask you when have you defended our space ?
I remember 1 time when bob came up to save XS and you came with about 20 ships when we had a gang of 250.
We will have fun we always do.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:46:00 -
[96]
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you |
Rhodry Amarrian
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:55:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Zzazzt
i.e. We've been fighting the guys in your front room whilst you've been round the block fighting someone totally unrelated.
Yes, I have noticed that some of PAs most celebrated "fighters" have been flying around in HAC gank squads in ASCN space in the deep south at a time when ASCN is not engaged in any active hostilities towards PA.
But then I guess ganking the odd ASCN member is doing a lot more to help your war effort than staying and fighting the .5. right? Eh? Oh.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:58:00 -
[98]
V was not up looking to take space, V was looking for fights.
V and NBSI didn't have any sort of war with the intent of destroying the other party, or occupying their lands, it was a fight in which all parties had fun and gained some respect for each other.
As for starting fights knowing that enemies have to come up through you folks, it's been proven that a well prepared force can make it to Tenal/Venal/Branch without much resistance on the way up, your ability to respond and stop large fleets may have changed since then, but I've seen it happen before. Also remember there are plenty of alternate routes to go up.
RISK as an example, managed to bring enough POS's to take BKG and some other system (I can't remember off the top of my head), and they managed to bring that all up safely, and place it within PA space, at a spot that is very near to NBSI space.
So while we may have some cushion with F-E there, it's not a 100% guarentee, and we take that into account when attacking , we're not relying on the fact that attackers will sputter out in F-E space to determine what we do.
Either way, it seems we're breaking off in peacable terms, and F-E is just tired of shooting 5 in H-PA. So let's move on, see if PA/NBSI can drive 5 out, and be happy? :p
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:59:00 -
[99]
I propose that F-E and NBSI swap regions, (surely Tenal pwns Tribute any day) PA is dissolved and venal becomes an ATUK protectorate while Branch is split up into three military zones, one each for the three parttakers.
Then PA go on and claim Nonni.
And objections ?
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Power to the players !
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dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:00:00 -
[100]
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you
Bit off more than we could chew ? hang on i remember being in a fleet when they came up to attack them full on.
I have much respect for most f-e b/c you fight not like some alliances and you must be watching this forum like a hawk don't you have better things to do ?
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:03:00 -
[101]
Deal Rod, but only if you come back up to attack, I miss hunting you and your alt in y-4 :/.
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Ceratin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:06:00 -
[102]
Shouldnt you be mining bob?
I bet noob scriptor is ****ing himself reading this thread |
dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:06:00 -
[103]
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you
Bit off more than we could chew ? hang on i remember being in a fleet when they came up to attack them full on.
I have much respect for most f-e b/c you fight not like some alliances and you must be watching this forum like a hawk don't you have better things to do ?
Sorry 1 more point when risk attacked PA and took BKG(right on nbsi's doorstep)where was f-e fleets ??? NOT 1 but i remember A RISK FREIGHTER going to IMK daily.
just afew points i have to make. NBSI 4TW!
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SWAT Kat
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:08:00 -
[104]
Right gents, ladies, homos and pervs, no need to layeth d smacketh down. way i see it is this fighting atuk is not fun tbh (most boring staging happens b4 every fight) but we were prepared to stick with it to the end. sure we would love to go around killing soft targets also but we had to do d dirty work before flying round space doing fun things, but getting ur neighours to wipe ur poo everytime isn't funneh my respects to the Pa and nbsi pilots dat came down to do the dirty dancing in h-pa, sadly ur alliance has let u down. it's not proper for us to sit there week after week while u catch ur groove doing fun stuff and also creating more bad blood. so were going to move on to more important stuff. as to the empire route gate camping tbh, if atuk wanted to blob in ships from empire to bust it open, they cud do and so we wud also counter. gatecamping is easy to set up, fighting in h-pa aint. SUM OF IT ALL..pull ur weight or screw u were going home
btw, grapevine suggests ER and others left for d same reason were doing now. i maybe right or wrong who cares . But i know F-E has overdone it's part,good luck in future endeavours every1
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:13:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
I propose that F-E and NBSI swap regions, (surely Tenal pwns Tribute any day) PA is dissolved and venal becomes an ATUK protectorate while Branch is split up into three military zones, one each for the three parttakers.
Then PA go on and claim Nonni.
And objections ?
OMFG! /signed
best idea ever |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:17:00 -
[106]
Originally by: SWAT Kat
btw, grapevine suggests ER and others left for d same reason were doing now. i maybe right or wrong who cares . But i know F-E has overdone it's part,good luck in future endeavours every1
Actually E-R left for lots of reasons. One of which was they didn't want to fight to defend F-E. Also I'm sure E-R was bored silly.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:18:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Liet Traep
]Actually E-R left for lots of reasons. One of which was they didn't want to fight to defend F-E.
yeah youre right. we really werent pulling our weight. |
dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:19:00 -
[108]
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you
Bit off more than we could chew ? hang on i remember being in a fleet when they came up to attack them full on.
I have much respect for most f-e b/c you fight not like some alliances and you must be watching this forum like a hawk don't you have better things to do ?
Sorry 1 more point when risk attacked PA and took BKG(right on nbsi's doorstep)where was f-e fleets ??? NOT 1 but i remember A RISK FREIGHTER going to IMK daily.
just afew points i have to make. NBSI 4TW!
No comment for me ? guess im right b/c i am.
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Faydra
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:21:00 -
[109]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Rod Blaine
I propose that F-E and NBSI swap regions, (surely Tenal pwns Tribute any day) PA is dissolved and venal becomes an ATUK protectorate while Branch is split up into three military zones, one each for the three parttakers.
Then PA go on and claim Nonni.
And objections ?
OMFG! /signed
best idea ever
so does it all come down to F-E wishing they lived in Tenal?
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:21:00 -
[110]
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 10:21:27
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you
Bit off more than we could chew ? hang on i remember being in a fleet when they came up to attack them full on.
I have much respect for most f-e b/c you fight not like some alliances and you must be watching this forum like a hawk don't you have better things to do ?
Sorry 1 more point when risk attacked PA and took BKG(right on nbsi's doorstep)where was f-e fleets ??? NOT 1 but i remember A RISK FREIGHTER going to IMK daily.
just afew points i have to make. NBSI 4TW!
No comment for me ? guess im right b/c i am.
well you just implyed i was a forum ***** while quoting yourself quoting yourself. Dunno what to make of that tbh.
but yeah. good point. fe didnt help fight risk at all. |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:24:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Faydra
so does it all come down to F-E wishing they lived in Tenal?
I didnt realize members of the school of applied knowledge had any interest in where we live |
Ceratin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:25:00 -
[112]
We wanted to help in hpa, we came with fleets and spent hours trying to co-ordinate or get invites, only to be ignored or then be told your done for the day. We figured, fair enough, hard to do invites when your managing a fleet so we'll go kill people that could be a threat while your busy, hence the risk war, empire skirmishing with 5 and the camping in mo to stop large reinforcements.
All this is quite upsetting because most could have been avoided with better communications and planning (something we're all guilty of) I have quite a few friends in fe who ive spent alot of time playing with recently, i hope that can go on cos id hate to see any political crappola spoil it :) |
dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:29:00 -
[113]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Faydra
so does it all come down to F-E wishing they lived in Tenal?
I didnt realize members of the school of applied knowledge had any interest in where we live
I will ask it then so does it all come down to F-E wishing they lived in Tenal?
Maybe this is why you sent me this mail.
2006.01.04 02:36
Id like to discuss a merger between FE and NBSI. plz contact meh
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:31:00 -
[114]
Originally by: dj lightning
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Faydra
so does it all come down to F-E wishing they lived in Tenal?
I didnt realize members of the school of applied knowledge had any interest in where we live
I will ask it then so does it all come down to F-E wishing they lived in Tenal?
Maybe this is why you sent me this mail.
2006.01.04 02:36
Id like to discuss a merger between FE and NBSI. plz contact meh
That mail was sent because we wanted to be more organised as a single group rather than having pilots running around in geminate and curse ganking miners. |
Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:35:00 -
[115]
i completely agree with you Ceratin , politics may be a bit heated atm, but i personally like NBSI alot and its always a pleasure to fly with you guys and i think many other F-E pilots feel the same.
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Elendar
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:40:00 -
[116]
FE corps in backstabbing shocker, they've never done this before
lets ask foe ^^
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:41:00 -
[117]
errr. wtf?
Cart, when can we start shooting people?
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:41:00 -
[118]
PA/NBSi are a total hollow shell of the once great alliances they were. Embarrasing and pathetic, F-E did well to step away from them.
Gl Persp.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Yuzier OA
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:43:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
I propose that F-E and NBSI swap regions, (surely Tenal pwns Tribute any day) PA is dissolved and venal becomes an ATUK protectorate while Branch is split up into three military zones, one each for the three parttakers.
Then PA go on and claim Nonni.
And objections ?
signed./
As usual rod your perception is flawless
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dj lightning
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
PA/NBSi are a total hollow shell of the once great alliances they were. Embarrasing and pathetic, F-E did well to step away from them.
Gl Persp.
Hollow shell ? lol u know nothing then.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:52:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Elendar
FE corps in backstabbing shocker, they've never done this before
lets ask foe ^^
this is nothing compared to what we used to do :)
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:54:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Ishana
I'm confused...
So are we. But indivdual corps and pilots in F-E will still have our friendship. Fly Safe.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:54:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Elendar
FE corps in backstabbing shocker, they've never done this before
lets ask foe ^^
If getting tired of living in an allies home system to defend their space while they are off ganking miners in the south is backstabbing, then yes, we are backstabbers. |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:56:00 -
[124]
lolol
Yes I do.
Your an embarrasment to once was an honourable and tough PvP unit.
You have slung along on the coat tails of your "friends" for far too long, your only honourable corps have left you and gone to real PvP alliances, leaving you with nothing but the tiresome smacktarding taht make up your tired alliance.
F-E walking away from your "alliedship", is just another clear indication, that NBSI and their PA lapdogs, are nothing more than a joke.
I would say, "go ahead.. prove me wrong" but it would be a pointless challenge, wasted breath, with nothing more than your words to fight back, because your actions could do nothing but show everyone that my accusations are spot on.
Hopefully the last breaths of these tired old dogs, are on the horizon now.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:56:00 -
[125]
Why are my friends fighting eachother!
Kiss and make up or IRON will kill you both.
-omg-
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Heinky
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:58:00 -
[126]
F-E should never have gone to h-p in my opinion, and the disrespect to the help f-e gave here is out of order. Id personally help atuk make the final blow on these "we cant help ourselfs" alliance but well poltitics ;)
Good thing im colour blind tho and see blue as red.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 10:59:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Liet Traep
Originally by: Ishana
I'm confused...
So are we. But indivdual corps and pilots in F-E will still have our friendship. Fly Safe.
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.01.17 11:01:00 -
[128]
NBSI and FE guys this is gettign silly tbh , we have fought and died togeather and the reasons why we left the pact between us are very simple PA/NBSI left for their own plans and now it is time for us to move to ours since our mutual intrests have parted ways. Lets not let this whole post turn in to a flame fest and sour our remaining friendship since we as FE have loads of repsect to the PA/NBSI pilots who have shown in h-pa to fight with us but on the other hand the rest of their alliance didnt as far as waiting or being ignored , FE PILOTS them selves used to wait for lots of time to get invites so NBSI and PA are no different coz u dotn expect a fleet thats already engaging 5 will stop and ask for a break to give invites to reinforcements I used to wait for like 45 mins to get one so
Kindly keep the issues as it is and if there is any talks regardign mutual relations to be disscussed in between alliance leadership and not let it be reduced to rabbl rabble rabble.
"What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 11:02:00 -
[129]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
PA/NBSi are a total hollow shell of the once great alliances they were. Embarrasing and pathetic, F-E did well to step away from them.
Gl Persp.
Ty eddz we appreciate it. We appreciate the patience you and your corp has shown us. |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 11:05:00 -
[130]
You know you have our guns Persp.
**tips cap.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.17 11:08:00 -
[131]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 17/01/2006 10:57:32
Originally by: dj lightning
Hollow shell ? lol u know nothing then.
lolol
I don't??... I think you'll find I do.
Your an embarrasment to once was an honourable and tough PvP unit.
You have slung along on the coat tails of your "friends" for far too long, your only honourable corps have left you and gone to real PvP alliances, leaving you with nothing but the tiresome smacktarding taht make up your tired alliance.
F-E walking away from your "alliedship", is just another clear indication, that NBSI and their PA lapdogs, are nothing more than a joke.
I would say, "go ahead.. prove me wrong" but it would be a pointless challenge, wasted breath, with nothing more than your words to fight back, because your actions could do nothing but show everyone that my accusations are spot on.
Hopefully the last breaths of these tired old dogs, are on the horizon now.
Quoted for truth. Hell I bet even IRON could roll over PA. The simple fact is that a tiny fraction of PA actually bother to do anything to protect their claimed space (Pretty much anyone can NPC in venal). All today I have heard PA and NBSI pilots *****ing about their respective alliances and how weak they are.
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.01.17 11:08:00 -
[132]
As NBSI have ours. Let's not turn this into something nasty
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Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Tree Fiddy
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Posted - 2006.01.17 11:14:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Kerosene
Let's not turn this into something nasty
Please do, then the rest of Eve can laugh at you even more than we are at the minute.
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.01.17 12:11:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Tree Fiddy
Originally by: Kerosene
Let's not turn this into something nasty
Please do, then the rest of Eve can laugh at you even more than we are at the minute.
Excuse me? Who are you and what you doing in this thread? Don't start throwing around insults.
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Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.01.17 12:20:00 -
[135]
Took you long enough
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.17 12:50:00 -
[136]
Originally by: hired goon
Kiss and make up or IRON will kill you both.
Yup, that comment from Imp would put the fear of god into me
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C4w3
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Posted - 2006.01.17 12:54:00 -
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As much as it hurts me to say... good desission F-E but in my eyes and im not the forgetting type of guys... F-E Sucks!!!
Only if you would have been 100% in charge in the FoE days Phers.
And not the rest of the ISK Suckerssss!!!
Anyway the werry best of days.
C4w3.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:03:00 -
[138]
Edited by: LUKEC on 17/01/2006 13:06:58
Originally by: KIAEddZ
PA/NBSi are a total hollow shell of the once great alliances they were. Embarrasing and pathetic, F-E did well to step away from them.
Gl Persp.
KIA is a total hollow shell of the once great corporation it were. Embarrasing and pathetic, BoB did well to take their members away from them.
Gl SirMolle
Oh and just to add: wardeccing PA/NBSI won't prove different. If you think it will, go read your post again.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:10:00 -
[139]
GL F-E.
Imo Great decission.
/Mav
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Tjakka
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:14:00 -
[140]
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 17/01/2006 13:06:58
Originally by: KIAEddZ
PA/NBSi are a total hollow shell of the once great alliances they were. Embarrasing and pathetic, F-E did well to step away from them.
Gl Persp.
KIA is a total hollow shell of the once great corporation it were. Embarrasing and pathetic, BoB did well to take their members away from them.
Gl SirMolle
Oh and just to add: wardeccing PA/NBSI won't prove different. If you think it will, go read your post again.
guess thats true your still a stupid smack retard like most of your PA members are.
and for F-E good you droped this **** off cos they nothing but dead weight and i wonder why NBSI is saying that FE didnt come hlp them enough in HPA cos it aint even thre space so you blaming them they didnt bring there whole allaince to defend your space?
seems you ppl got a leak of pvpers if you cant even keep your own space clear.
good for PA they got npc stations so they can hide again
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:23:00 -
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You missing the point, Tjakka.
I copy/pasted Eddz's post and just changed KIA <-> PA/NBSI and BOB <-> FE. And some grammary details. But now it is retarded smack. If it is coming from Eddz it is just objective observation, eh?
Hypocrite.
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Poister
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:25:00 -
[142]
Originally by: pershphanie
As of now FE is no longer allied with PA and NBSI. The mutually benificial relationship we had with them ceased to exist a long time ago. It is time for us to move on. We wish them the best of luck.
I see this as a good idea politics wise, like if pa/nbsi choose to shoot any party or vise versa it will have nothing to do with fe and less politics is a bonus hey.
5 will still be primary for all 3 alliances so everyone should be happy?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:29:00 -
[143]
Edited by: LUKEC on 17/01/2006 13:32:07
Originally by: Tjakkal
seems you ppl got a leak of pvpers if you cant even keep your own space clear.
good for PA they got npc stations so they can hide again
Let's play little games:
Swithch:
own space clear / contract
PA / KIA
npc stations / empire
Remeber?
Oh and i'm out of this thread. FE made a point, that's it.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:36:00 -
[144]
I might have missed it but F-E says they arent allied anymore with PA/NBSI does that mean they set them back to neutral status or keep good standings but not fighting together?
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:52:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
I might have missed it but F-E says they arent allied anymore with PA/NBSI does that mean they set them back to neutral status or keep good standings but not fighting together?
It means that we won't aid them in fighting you. We're not gonna shoot 'em, but we're leaving H-PA and we'll not be bothered with Venal until one side wins.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:55:00 -
[146]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 17/01/2006 13:57:37
The misconception that BoB took all of KIAs "quality" members is untrue and totally unfounded.
We lost several members, most that had already lost interest in the game, and can be seen now in KIA.WoW
From the quality members we lost, we only actually miss about 5 of them, and we are a stronger corp now than we have ever been, more members online daily (20+), more isk, more drive and determination. And of course I am back in charge pretty much 100% of the time ;)
There we go LukeC, i have responded to your slurr, and quashed it.
Let me see you do the same?
You can't of course, becuase my accusations, are both just and true, you guys are a joke, nothing more than the remnants of a once great alliance. Your the laughing stock of this game, PA is the running joke for any alliance looking not to crumble and fall from grace, you are the story the tell, when they want to motivate their guys into action 'cmon guys, get here, we need to defend, lets not do a "PA"'
Sadly for NBSI, they are allowing the dead weight that is the PA, to drag them down.
Reading this, the truth will resound for anyone even slightly in the know. Go crawl back under the rock you call your NPC stations, like the smacktard coward that you actually are LukeC, and take the rest of your nublet PA plumbs with you.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Yakti
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Posted - 2006.01.17 13:56:00 -
[147]
Told you they were going together with TSDS now ...
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Poister
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Posted - 2006.01.17 14:08:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
I might have missed it but F-E says they arent allied anymore with PA/NBSI does that mean they set them back to neutral status or keep good standings but not fighting together?
It means that we won't aid them in fighting you. We're not gonna shoot 'em, but we're leaving H-PA and we'll not be bothered with Venal until one side wins.
lol Zzazzt
its goto be said but whats with the WE thing :) you need to get in gang, a good leader always makes time to lead from the front
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.01.17 14:13:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Poister
lol Zzazzt
its goto be said but whats with the WE thing :) you need to get in gang, a good leader always makes time to lead from the front
Trust me, Zzazzt is always at the front through his way of leadership
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2006.01.17 14:16:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
I might have missed it but F-E says they arent allied anymore with PA/NBSI does that mean they set them back to neutral status or keep good standings but not fighting together?
It means that we won't aid them in fighting you. We're not gonna shoot 'em, but we're leaving H-PA and we'll not be bothered with Venal until one side wins.
Right, thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.01.17 14:42:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Poister
lol Zzazzt
its goto be said but whats with the WE thing :) you need to get in gang, a good leader always makes time to lead from the front
Heh - if you found yourself being gangled by me, you'd adjust that opinion reeeeeeeeal quick...
Besides - combat's for alts
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Gyro DuAquin1
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:12:00 -
[152]
Ive been in h-pa myself and u have loads of Fe and Pa is mining somwhere. Best decission, so r u going to work closer with V then?
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:29:00 -
[153]
So much to respond to here. ZZazzt I have always known you to be a reasoned individual.
Originally by: Zzazzt
We declared on 5. For PA (although with a certain amount of relish, I will admit).
We fought KIA. For PA.
We fought RISK. For PA.
We fought V. For PA.
We moved to H-PA to take the fight to 5.
Honestly, you fought all those people out of self-interest as well. It was/is not in your best interest to have a completely hostile pirate force (RISK) in either of our backyards or The 5 who obviously love us both so much. They have come repeatedly to D7. And every time they came down NBSI sent a fleet to support F-E. Sometimes up to 1/3 of the total friendly BS in the fleet. You called, we came. Plus we run squads through PA/FE/NBSI systems to scout and kill off any hostiles we find. Not large, but 4 people in Vagas and ceptors can cover a lot of ground.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Then - the final straw. We discover that you've been shooting at KIA again, bringing them to our space.
We likeshooting KIA. They like shooting us. Always have. If we see them in M-O or Taisy we shoot em. If a random patrol finds them in friendly space that we are patroling (Geminate/Tribute/Venal/Tenal) then we shoot them there too. They know that. So do we. Geez, if we had known you had turned KIA into your mining *****es we wouldn't have shot them at all.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Planning? Organisation? You expect FE to provide these things for the defence of Venal?
For defense not at all. But if you expect to lead an assault on an entrenched mutual enemy in an NPC system and need support in terms of both allies battleships and capital ships - then yes.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Answer me this - why should we have committed our dreads to an arena where we could not depend on the numbers from your two alliances?
That's a fair question coming from the leader of a large pvp corp. The simple answer is that it is hard to show up for a party when no one tells you what time it's gonna happen.
We had already said that camping H-PA without an assault on the POS was an exercise in futility and actually provides ATUK with entertainment. For 5 days we had people asking for the time for a major assault, and it was never released for fear of spies/whatever. Finally we just gave up on the idea. Draconian, who is online more hours that I am physically awake, played a game where he asked it in the Leadership channels every 15 to 30min for a while.
I will admit that I have recieved 1 total evemail from any leader in F-E in the last 2 months. It was from Persh and the sum total was "convo meh". As this was right after Persh had lost his temper (again) and screamed in allies chat that one of the NBSI members was a liar, good for nothing, etc, etc, and booted him from the channel, I decided that I would prefer not to chat with him till he had calmed down enough to be rational. Had any FE FC or leadership CEO have sent an evemail to anyone in NBSI requesting a chat to talk about region defence or a combined offensive against the H-PA POS or that you needed more support we would have been ecstatic. As it was all we heard was silence.
NBSI have patrolled our space. NBSI have patrolled your space. NBSI have camped the entrances to 0.0 at all hours of the day and night to keep them secure and keep 5/pirates out. NBSI have run escort for F-E freightors. NBSI have sent fleets EVERY time The 5 have come down to D7 looking for a fight. NBSI have been assaulting enemy POS in friendly space (and no, taking fleets to assault large POS with active guns is not what any sane person would consider "fun"). NBSI have killed hostile dreads in friendly space. So how is that not contributing?
Zzazzt it seems like we are reading from 2 different books. I wish MLM had said something to us directly instead of relying on others and then all of us discussing the dirty laundry in public.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:37:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
I might have missed it but F-E says they arent allied anymore with PA/NBSI does that mean they set them back to neutral status or keep good standings but not fighting together?
From your point of view nothing will change for the bulk of us.
------------- The Truth about H-P -------------
All of this has got well outa hand & the true reason F-E went to H-P this time was nothing to do with PA or helping PA & NBSI in H-P.
The truth as to why F-E went H-P is simple , ATUK kept attacking our pos in D7 & Krulls said **** it lets get up there & sit there, witch we did at first alot of us. Then the usual thing, slower but shurly less & less F-E made the effort, some never moved out there ratting spot once, including members of mlm & gods & other major F-E corps.
In the last few days we was like 5 F-E up H-P & offcorse we was getting realy annoyed, not at PA or NBSI but at our member for not helping us & I realy dunno how persh has turned it around into this mess, we only had to leave h-p & go back to normal ops.
There maybe a bit of longer term polos poping up as the reason but it realy comes down to our people not doing there bit for the allaince so everyone got a bit moany & leaders have blamed PA not being in H-P witch is bull since we was there for our own agenda not PA,s dunno why poor NBSI can be at fault since there just helping out.
Im all for less politics so thats a bonus, PA & NBSI can then shoot who they like at our camps & not our problem.
Ill be camping as normal & hope to see PA & NBSI mates right there as they always have been.
--------- final thought -------------
Realy bad move overall I feel & the way it was done, we was acutally mid op killing .5. in wh when our channel closed & we got a stupid mail, after that our massive 3 man f-e gang went on a rampage around d7.
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:40:00 -
[155]
Edited by: slothe on 17/01/2006 15:45:14
politics ftl
there should be a rule whereby alliances are not allowed to nap with their neighbouring alliances.
would make life interesting..
i dont think this decision was easy to make and conflict was eventually going to happen.
i dont see the best way of defending your own space is to not engage the enemy, send gank squads into southern territories, camp gates and run to a ss if someone nasty comes through, and scout around in frigates, but thats just me.
pa and nbsi have to bare in mind that if the 5 were not engaged in h-pa they would head stright to tribute , not to tenal or branch. f-e in my perspective have endured the worst of this conflict so far, yet have defended most successfully.
f-e are not saying pa or nbsi have done nothing, simply not enough. like any alliance there are certain members who have done more than others and we commend those people, they know who they are. we do not want hostilities from are former friends, that choice is now theirs.
i think 5 have acheived a victory here, but at the expense of losing previous allies time will see whether this victory is worthwhile.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:49:00 -
[156]
Bullsh.it Nyxus, we had reset your asses to Neutral, as per the conversations with your leadership after the last contract.
You came down to Germinate, not on random patrols, but becuase your little PA bumchums had found our mining op in 8MG, and taken delight in blowing up a couple of NPC/Mining BS, and revelling in the feww 100 mill in loot. You came sniffing for easy kills, you know it, we know it you fracking (BG ftw) coward, your guys honour swayed by the tales of free and easy loot that no doubt the PA scum fed you.
You informed us quite kertly, not too long b4 engaging us, that we were now reset to neutral (neutral to you means shooty, neutral to us means no shooty, that ambiguity helped you get your easy ganks). Your frackin lowlifes, and you know it. Why dont you come looking for us when we are in battle regalia, whilst we are on a contract I wander? BECAUSE WE'D HAND YOUR ASSES TO YOU, is the obvious answer.
FE fought against KIA for the sake of PA TWICE, thanks to the PA, FE are our MOST KILLED alliance, they have lost much for the sake of that **** poor excuse for an alliance, they didnt need to fight us, they didnt even want to fight us, but we wanted PA, and they did the honourable thing and stood between us and them. FE are quite capable of defending their own space, and they have imho a good set of guys at the helm, and a such generally have good relationships with other entities in the game. They needn't be staring any trouble in the face unless they choose it.
In fact the trouble they got, is cowardly spinless allies like yourselves and PA. Who force them to fight people they dont actually want to fight.
No wander your corps are leaving you, no wander your sliding into an oblivion that I never thought NBSI would end up in, labelled another PA, another joke.
Tell you what you can do Nyxus,a nd the same goes for your "brethren" in the PA, you can make KIAs war decs mutual next week, becuase we want a chunk of your rotten flesh on the slab, and we are gonna take it the only way we know how, and that's in combat, unlike you guys, against other ships that have guns on them.
I only prey that with SAS at the helm, CI won't fall into the same trap as you, and be led to a place where respect and honour is replaced by deviance and slime.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:49:00 -
[157]
Originally by: slothe
Edited by: slothe on 17/01/2006 15:45:14
politics ftl
there should be a rule whereby alliances are not allowed to nap with their neighbouring alliances.
would make life interesting..
i dont think this decision was easy to make and conflict was eventually going to happen.
i dont see the best way of defending your own space is to not engage the enemy, send gank squads into southern territories, camp gates and run to a ss if someone nasty comes through, and scout around in frigates, but thats just me.
pa and nbsi have to bare in mind that if the 5 were not engaged in h-pa they would head stright to tribute , not to tenal or branch. f-e in my perspective have endured the worst of this conflict so far, yet have defended most successfully.
f-e are not saying pa or nbsi have done nothing, simply not enough. like any alliance there are certain members who have done more than others and we commend those people, they know who they are. we do not want hostilities from are former friends, that choice is now theirs.
i think 5 have acheived a victory here, but at the expense of losing previous allies time will see whether this victory is worthwhile.
Slothe for leader, he got that just about right again i think.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:51:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 17/01/2006 15:53:13
I notice a lot of Black lance replying here, who are kinda feeling they're being abandoned by us. I have to admit I liked working with certain NBSI corps, Black lance certainly being one of them.
That said, I'd like a lot of them to stick around as friendlies to fight The Five together. A lot of NBSI members, however, have been shooting corps that are blue to us and IN OUR SPACE because of the going back to their roots thing, which is extremely annoying. This plus the KIA thing caused the split with NSBI. PA obviously has no right to complain, but NBSI - or at least a part of it - certainly has.
MLM is recruiting by the way, so....
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Delthus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 15:53:00 -
[159]
Originally by: hired goon
Why are my friends fighting eachother!
Kiss and make up or IRON will kill you both.
i thought Iron would appreciate this
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.17 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 17/01/2006 16:08:39
whoa kiaeddz, now thats an rlly impressive chunk of a punch into nbsi and pa`s face
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Moonlight Express
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Posted - 2006.01.17 16:49:00 -
[161]
To think that by destroying one of ATUK POSes will bring ATUK down to their knees and bring FE/PA/NBSI victory is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:02:00 -
[162]
eddz the flamethrower...
nice attempts to split nbsi/pa... but saying that PA send nbsi down to gank miners... i think if we would know about it, we have enough gankers who would take assignment with great delight.
Anyway, our ebil smacktalking alliance doesn't call ppl c u n t s, after they get blown by someone.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:04:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
To think that by destroying one of ATUK POSes will bring ATUK down to their knees and bring FE/PA/NBSI victory is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Well seeing as how no-one on this thread said that....you must be hearing things....
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:05:00 -
[164]
Edited by: slothe on 17/01/2006 17:05:53
Originally by: Moonlight Express
To think that by destroying one of ATUK POSes will bring ATUK down to their knees and bring FE/PA/NBSI victory is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
it would be surprisingly effective taking out their pos as their operations are based from it. i dont think it would bring them to their knees, but it would make them more vulnerable in the north and i suspect that unless they were to erect another quickly, it would probably lead to them pulling out of the north eventually.
however, the problem is that its so heavily defended major losses would be indurred taking it down, if it could be.
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BiPolar
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:06:00 -
[165]
This reminds me of a time, long long ago. So FE(ASCN) decides not to do all the fighting for others. They leave in the middle of a war and say your on your own. We're not doing it for u anymore. NBSI has been killing in empire and on the pipe again, not defending their space. Huh
Funny how thing repete themselves
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Parity
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:06:00 -
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Hi i Respect F-E only coz imo they fight well against atuk they fighted for a long time PA's WARS from the other hand we Founded NBSI we will never abandon them yes we left NBSI for hardcore PVP we enjoy PVP but we never stop Supporting NBSI if NBSI needs our HELP im only speaking for my self here and my corp we will be happy to fight along side with F-E and NBSI again... we are not forgeting our friends thats all...
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: KiaEddz
You informed us quite kertly, not too long b4 engaging us, that we were now reset to neutral
So we told you before we engaged that you were reset to neutral.
And the name of our alliance is Not Blue Shoot It.
And yet you were somehow suprised that when a squad on patrol found a group of Kia in Geminate and shot you? Isn't that just a bit whiny Eddz? What do you want, gold embossed invitation?
Why don't you just admit that some of your miners got caught with thier pants down and got ganked? It's no big deal really, especially since we were kind enough to inform you beforehand that we are hostile to you.
If you had bought/bartered for a mining pass in Geminate from F-E (who claim Geminate btw) then they would have informed us that we were to set you to blue, just like they do with all thier mining *****. They didn't.
And, most amusingly, it seems that instead of taking it up with us (you know, the people who shot you) instead you either:
- Cried to F-E that NBSI were shooting you, thereby forcing them to deal with stupid politcal crap since you bought a mining pass
- Started ganking/threatening to gank F-E since the bad ppl in NBSI shot you, forcing FE to deal with stupid politcal crap.
Either way, my apologies to F-E. I always thought KIA would have gumption to take up any issue they had with us rather than bothering you guys. As Slothe said, politics FTL.
I see a lot of slander coming from you Eddz. You seem to think that NBSI doesn't WANT a war dec from KIA. Hell, internally there have been lots of request to war dec KIA because we are bored and you guys put up a fight.
So put your money where your mouth is. You know we are up for a fight.
Originally by: kiaeddz
you can make KIAs war decs mutual next week
Why wait? You know we can't war dec you (Alliance vs Corp 4tl) so why don't you be a real man and send us the Evemail that we have just been dying to get, RIGHT NOW? As for mutualing it, DJ will have to make that call for us. But as you have already stated publically several times that it means nothing to you since as a Merc corp you reserve the right to surrender sans status loss because you may need to take up a contract it doesn't mean much. We respect merc corps needing to say that, but don't think you can play it both ways.
Hell, NBSI will even go halvsies on the war dec if you send it today. Yes, we love to fight THAT MUCH. Are you gonna step up to the plate Eddz, or just back down? And don't whine about a contract you have. Either you can back up your threats when you make em, or you shouldn't be making them in the first place till you are off contract.
It will be interesting to see if KIA come to fight, or just run around on The Five's coattails.
Nyxus - diplomat extrordinaire.
PS-Plz don't start shooting FE or PA who did nothing, then start claiming that you pwned. I already feel bad that KIA of all people have been bugging them with politcal crap. Send the war dec to NBSI, then let's see where it really plays out, ok? Shooty shooty is the way to settle this.
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Slothe
it would be surprisingly effective taking out their pos as their operations are based from it. i dont think it would bring them to their knees, but it would make them more vulnerable in the north and i suspect that unless they were to erect another quickly, it would probably lead to them pulling out of the north eventually.
however, the problem is that its so heavily defended major losses would be indurred taking it down, if it could be.
Beautiful tactics summarized 4tw.
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Eversor
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Elendar
FE corps in backstabbing shocker, they've never done this before
lets ask foe ^^
What backstabbing??? its not like FE is attacking NBSI or PA. Basically all this is a release of liability from FE towards NBSI and PA.
Comparing this to the FoE situation is completely idiotic. First of all FoE backstabbed and attacked PA, G, IRON,and everyone in the North and they started by denying traffic to the PA through tribute and vale when PA was still fighting BoB in Branch-Venal. I know cause I was there talking about this with Foyle. In our current scenario FE is not withholding access to PA or NBSI to our space they are welcome to use our space for travel to Tenal and Venal, we are also not considering any of your corps hostiles unless they do something stupid.
My suggestion to NBSI and PA is to regroup in your home territory instead of going around the South looking for miners. If you focus you can probably dislodge -5- from H-PA. As for us we have a flank that we haven't been able to take care off since we have been helping out in H-PA area.
Regards
Ev
Those of you in PA and NBSI that have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me, I will be wearing my diplo hat for a short time only.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 17/01/2006 17:14:04
All this discussion seems a little "stupid" to me. So trust me, I've seen alot in my almost 3 years of EVE.
The most important asset in between two neighbour alliances is to have good relations towards each other and try to cooperate in defence in every way possible. The ways to do it are not important, the important is that you know you can count them as your friends to aid.
Even yesterday me ans some NBSI members joint up with F-E gang in WH against a "5" fleet, and even that our coordination wasn't the best the important thing is to TRY and HELP each other.
I will NOT fire upon F-E mates unless i'm attacked no matter what. Even if that means breaking what "NBSI" stands for. You ask why? Because i know that i can be shooting someone that helped me in the past (and vice versa).
I'm not a man of politics and i really hate politicians, they tend to screw everything for everyone. I cherrish friendship and trust more than that.
NBSI is no better than F-E or vice versa. We might not have the numbers of F-E but we love a good fight. Me for instance, when i get RL time to serious play EVE i love to travel in search for our common enemy.
Just to finish i would like to say, this is a GAME not a playground for politicians wanna be's. Play the game and earn (and keep) the trust and friendship. That will prolly get you more in times of need than a well planned attack and coordination.
PS: this is my personal view and does nothing to do with NBSI leadership.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
So we told you before we engaged that you were reset to neutral.
And the name of our alliance is Not Blue Shoot It.
And yet you were somehow suprised that when a squad on patrol found a group of Kia in Geminate and shot you? Isn't that just a bit whiny Eddz? What do you want, gold embossed invitation?
Why don't you just admit that some of your miners got caught with thier pants down and got ganked? It's no big deal really, especially since we were kind enough to inform you beforehand that we are hostile to you.
You hear from the PA that we are mining, you then inform us your restting us to neutral, I send another mail requesting clarification of our exact position, and you then pop in gank miners.
You fly 30 jumps to gank miners, leaving FE to do your defending for you as usual.
Originally by: Nyxus
And, most amusingly, it seems that instead of taking it up with us (you know, the people who shot you) instead you either:
- Cried to F-E that NBSI were shooting you, thereby forcing them to deal with stupid politcal crap since you bought a mining pass
- Started ganking/threatening to gank F-E since the bad ppl in NBSI shot you, forcing FE to deal with stupid politcal crap.
Either way, my apologies to F-E. I always thought KIA would have gumption to take up any issue they had with us rather than bothering you guys. As Slothe said, politics FTL.
Thats bs and you know it.
Your actions drew my guys out to look for you, FE AGAIN defended you, killing a KIA pilot, and thus this ****storm started. We even still offered for FEs sake to leave you guys alone, and let you get on with your fight with 5, but your fracking arrogance and blind stupidity caused this rift, which has nothing to do with KIA.
Originally by: Nyxus
I see a lot of slander coming from you Eddz. You seem to think that NBSI doesn't WANT a war dec from KIA. Hell, internally there have been lots of request to war dec KIA because we are bored and you guys put up a fight.
Why wait? You know we can't war dec you (Alliance vs Corp 4tl) so why don't you be a real man and send us the Evemail that we have just been dying to get, RIGHT NOW? As for mutualing it, DJ will have to make that call for us. But as you have already stated publically several times that it means nothing to you since as a Merc corp you reserve the right to surrender sans status loss because you may need to take up a contract it doesn't mean much. We respect merc corps needing to say that, but don't think you can play it both ways.
Hell, NBSI will even go halvsies on the war dec if you send it today. Yes, we love to fight THAT MUCH. Are you gonna step up to the plate Eddz, or just back down? And don't whine about a contract you have. Either you can back up your threats when you make em, or you shouldn't be making them in the first place till you are off contract.
PA and NBSI are getting a war dec, we will finish our capital ship production break, and next week will celebrate with clone expressing your coward asses on a daily basis. Without ER, NBSI are nothing but pathetic wannabees, PA style.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla
That said, I'd like a lot of them to stick around as friendlies to fight The Five together. A lot of NBSI members, however, have been shooting corps that are blue to us and IN OUR SPACE because of the going back to their roots thing, which is extremely annoying. This plus the KIA thing caused the split with NSBI. PA obviously has no right to complain, but NBSI - or at least a part of it - certainly has.
NBSI isn't going anywhere. F-E as a whole has earned our respect both fighting, and as allies. That is something that we, as with anyone who has been betrayed, value highly.
I will also be the first one to admit that we have inadvertantly shot blues. NBSI as a whole has not been very reactive to changing standings quickly. We have not been built with it in mind. As F-E has grown sooo quickly NBSI hasn't always updated our standings as fast as we have needed to.
I apologize for that. Sometimes our shooty-shooty nature gets the better of us when we see anything relatively shootable and we go Killmail Krazy.
Recently we actually adjusted our internal structure so that more people could adjust alliance standings, thereby reducing the time between F-E leadership telling us a corp is should now be blue, and them actually being set to blue so we don't shoot them accidently.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:22:00 -
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Quote:
That's a fair question coming from the leader of a large pvp corp. The simple answer is that it is hard to show up for a party when no one tells you what time it's gonna happen.
We had already said that camping H-PA without an assault on the POS was an exercise in futility and actually provides ATUK with entertainment. For 5 days we had people asking for the time for a major assault, and it was never released for fear of spies/whatever. Finally we just gave up on the idea. Draconian, who is online more hours that I am physically awake, played a game where he asked it in the Leadership channels every 15 to 30min for a while.
I will admit that I have recieved 1 total evemail from any leader in F-E in the last 2 months. It was from Persh and the sum total was "convo meh". As this was right after Persh had lost his temper (again) and screamed in allies chat that one of the NBSI members was a liar, good for nothing, etc, etc, and booted him from the channel, I decided that I would prefer not to chat with him till he had calmed down enough to be rational. Had any FE FC or leadership CEO have sent an evemail to anyone in NBSI requesting a chat to talk about region defence or a combined offensive against the H-PA POS or that you needed more support we would have been ecstatic. As it was all we heard was silence.
NBSI have patrolled our space. NBSI have patrolled your space. NBSI have camped the entrances to 0.0 at all hours of the day and night to keep them secure and keep 5/pirates out. NBSI have run escort for F-E freightors. NBSI have sent fleets EVERY time The 5 have come down to D7 looking for a fight. NBSI have been assaulting enemy POS in friendly space (and no, taking fleets to assault large POS with active guns is not what any sane person would consider "fun"). NBSI have killed hostile dreads in friendly space. So how is that not contributing?
Zzazzt it seems like we are reading from 2 different books. I wish MLM had said something to us directly instead of relying on others and then all of us discussing the dirty laundry in public.
Nyxus
This does make alot of sence, I have seen persh getting overly angry at the drop of hat or rat :), look at war on ISD for example & at the same time I can jump into NBSI camp say dont shoot this next person & guess what noone shoots, same with PA.
I dont care at all about KIA but I know if someone from F-E had said dont shoot KIA, there now buddies then I cant picture NBSI or PA shooting them in our space.
Sounds like basic lack of communication to me.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nyxus on 17/01/2006 17:31:58
Originally by: KIAEddz
PA and NBSI are getting a war dec, we will finish our capital ship production break, and next week will celebrate with clone expressing your coward asses on a daily basis. Without ER, NBSI are nothing but pathetic wannabees, PA style.
Dunno why you would wardec PA, considering that they haven't done anything to you. I would suspect it's because you think you can pad your kill ratio with some easy kills. Pathetic really.
NBSI is calling you out Eddz. You opened your mouth, now back it up. Don't give me this "we smacktalked on the forums, but we are really busy right now and can't back it up." load of crap.
Either you step up and war dec us and show the Eve Community that you can back up what you say, or go back to mining veld in Nonni. You threw down with NBSI, now back up your words.
You called *us* cowards? NBSI will now pay the entirety of the first week of the warbill, if you have the balls to dec us today.
Come on Eddz, show us what KIA is made of. Dec us today and fight with honor, or crawl away like a chump. We will even pay for it. What reason do you have not to, unless your threats are just full of hot air?
If you back down and don't dec today, I don't see how anyone would pay good isk to hire you.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 17/01/2006 17:35:06
Were busy you frackin numptee, what exactly do you not understand about that? You'll just ahve to wait 5 days, and we dont need your cash, just make the wars mutual you coward.
PA are getting a wardec because they thought itd be fun to travel 30 odd jumps and gank miners aswell. You think you can pull a frackin lions tail and walk away with all your limbs intact? You live in Kirby dream land.
We'll see how big your arrogant smile is when we've finished with you.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 17/01/2006 17:35:06
Were busy you frackin numptee, what exactly do you not understand about that? You'll just ahve to wait 5 days, and we dont need your cash, just make the wars mutual you coward.
PA are getting a wardec because they thought itd be fun to travel 30 odd jumps and gank miners aswell. You think you can pull a frackin lions tail and walk away with all your limbs intact? You live in Kirby dream land.
We'll see how big your arrogant smile is when we've finished with you.
I think personal insults from both parties will get this thread locked. This discussion is NOT about the relations between KIA and NBSI.
I recomend opening another thread and flame each other there. I'm not a director in Black Lance but you guys know i'm right.
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Der Pfaffe
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
eddz the flamethrower...
Lukec the smacktard...
Originally by: LUKEC
Anyway, our ebil smacktalking alliance doesn't call ppl c u n t s, after they get blown by someone.
LOL he called you much worse things than that believe me
We've had several wars where PA have been our main target and during the last one the only people we saw were NBSI and F-E. PA were nowhere to be seen, and that includes you Lukec, in fact I've never seen you in space, only on these boards. Maybe this time we'll be luckier. :)
NBSI and F-E have always had our respect, but we could never understand why they fought PA's wars for them, while PA were virtually absent from the battlefield. Personally I hope NBSI will cut themselves free of PA's dead weight and stand back and let PA defend themselves for once. If that doesn't happen, well no problem, fighting NBSI has always been great fun .
Good luck to F-E.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/01/2006 17:45:04
Originally by: Nyxus
Originally by: Slothe
it would be surprisingly effective taking out their pos as their operations are based from it. i dont think it would bring them to their knees, but it would make them more vulnerable in the north and i suspect that unless they were to erect another quickly, it would probably lead to them pulling out of the north eventually.
however, the problem is that its so heavily defended major losses would be indurred taking it down, if it could be.
Beautiful tactics summarized 4tw.
You don't think Atuk have more then one tower lying around Venal ?
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:41:00 -
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Fair comment.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:43:00 -
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damn... looks like people got a bit hotheaded here...
*gets a pack of corn beads to make popcorn out of the heat*
...and btw, I say that getting Eddz angry is not good.
*runs away*
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Originally by: Abdalion
Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:46:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Nyxus
NBSI have camped the entrances to 0.0 at all hours of the day and night to keep them secure and keep 5/pirates out.
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So how is that not contributing?
I think this is exactly the problem. Whereas F-E felt that the best way to fight The Five was to gather fleets in H-PA, PA and NBSI seemed to feel that the best way was to camp M-OE and patrol the area in small fast squads. Since the request from F-E for PA/NBSI to gather in H-PA was not honored to a satifying degree, F-E now feels that PA/NBSI will have to fend for themselves in Venal.
Noone is saying NBSI/PA didn't contribute.. what is being said is that they didn't contribute enough to do things the F-E way. So F-E will now focus on their own regions instead.
The quote "Your Corporation Perfectly Strikes Enemy Alliance, wrecking for Internal Problems" comes to mind.... (maybe "Alliance" should be replaced with "Coalition")
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Pride NL on 17/01/2006 17:49:14
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 17/01/2006 13:57:37
The misconception that BoB took all of KIAs "quality" members is untrue and totally unfounded.
We lost several members, most that had already lost interest in the game, and can be seen now in KIA.WoW
From the quality members we lost, we only actually miss about 5 of them, and we are a stronger corp now than we have ever been, more members online daily (20+), more isk, more drive and determination. And of course I am back in charge pretty much 100% of the time ;)
There we go LukeC, i have responded to your slurr, and quashed it.
Let me see you do the same?
You can't of course, becuase my accusations, are both just and true, you guys are a joke, nothing more than the remnants of a once great alliance. Your the laughing stock of this game, PA is the running joke for any alliance looking not to crumble and fall from grace, you are the story the tell, when they want to motivate their guys into action 'cmon guys, get here, we need to defend, lets not do a "PA"'
Sadly for NBSI, they are allowing the dead weight that is the PA, to drag them down.
Reading this, the truth will resound for anyone even slightly in the know. Go crawl back under the rock you call your NPC stations, like the smacktard coward that you actually are LukeC, and take the rest of your nublet PA plumbs with you.
They lost 5 of them, and got me in return... sounds fair
All Forumwarriors battlestations!
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Poister
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Posted - 2006.01.17 17:52:00 -
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KIAEddZ so are you saying because some nbsi killed a few of your miners you were going to attack f-e pilots unless f-e done somthing about it?
Also if KIA was or is ment to be a merc/pvp corp how did you not see local jump and move safe? At the end of the day its 0.0 space and you was even told standing were reset. all I can say is lol :)
keep in mind f-e carry a standard insurance policy, ships lost in our space are replaced as soon as you dock with a new ship with an affective mining and pvp setup(FOC).
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The End
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:02:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Chi Prime
Originally by: Nyxus
NBSI have camped the entrances to 0.0 at all hours of the day and night to keep them secure and keep 5/pirates out.
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So how is that not contributing?
I think this is exactly the problem. Whereas F-E felt that the best way to fight The Five was to gather fleets in H-PA, PA and NBSI seemed to feel that the best way was to camp M-OE and patrol the area in small fast squads. Since the request from F-E for PA/NBSI to gather in H-PA was not honored to a satifying degree, F-E now feels that PA/NBSI will have to fend for themselves in Venal.
Noone is saying NBSI/PA didn't contribute.. what is being said is that they didn't contribute enough to do things the F-E way. So F-E will now focus on their own regions instead.
The quote "Your Corporation Perfectly Strikes Enemy Alliance, wrecking for Internal Problems" comes to mind.... (maybe "Alliance" should be replaced with "Coalition")
The Fight was in deep 0.0 space not in empire or near it
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Zembla
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:03:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Poister
KIAEddZ so are you saying because some nbsi killed a few of your miners you were going to attack f-e pilots unless f-e done somthing about it?
That's a negative.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:05:00 -
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Poister
Talk to your leadership before spouting of on this forum. KIA made NO threats towards FE, ever. The PA are good at spinning for there cause, you should learn not to believe everything you read.
THe table of events is as follows
KIA miners are engaged by PA in 8mg
KIA receive notice that we are reset to neutral by NBSI
NBSI travel down south to gank some KIA miners.
A couple of KIA pilots are released to go extract a measure of revenge against NBSI and PA
NBSI are in FE space. FE are warned that we arecoming to kill NBSI and PA
This causes problems of course
KIA pilot is killed by FE
FE are approached and compensation is requested
FE ask what happened, agree compensation, and request that KIA do not enter FE space to kill NBSI and PA
KIA agree to not enter FE space, if FEs allies step back and stop ganking our miners
That was our last involvement.
FE stand back from supporting NBSI and PA
I cannot believe for 1 second that we are the reason that FE have decided this is the best for them. We must be no more than the final straw, in a long line of **** that FE have had to put up with defending the PA. I am guessing NBSI decided to stand by PA not FE etc. I am not privvy to what exactky happened.
From KIA's pov, you came and actuvely hunted us because you saw us as a soft target. So were gonna strap on our guns and do what we do best, show everyone what a joke you guys have become. No FE to defend you now.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Rex Mundo
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:18:00 -
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eve is a game so when things happen, well they happen. I am not going to spend hours analysing it. Consider this an interesting twist to the game which keeps us from getting bored. At the end of the day, not much changes really xcept the names of the people you shoot.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Der Pfaffe
Originally by: LUKEC
eddz the flamethrower...
Lukec the smacktard...
Originally by: LUKEC
Anyway, our ebil smacktalking alliance doesn't call ppl c u n t s, after they get blown by someone.
LOL he called you much worse things than that believe me
We've had several wars where PA have been our main target and during the last one the only people we saw were NBSI and F-E. PA were nowhere to be seen, and that includes you Lukec, in fact I've never seen you in space, only on these boards. Maybe this time we'll be luckier. :)
NBSI and F-E have always had our respect, but we could never understand why they fought PA's wars for them, while PA were virtually absent from the battlefield. Personally I hope NBSI will cut themselves free of PA's dead weight and stand back and let PA defend themselves for once. If that doesn't happen, well no problem, fighting NBSI has always been great fun .
Good luck to F-E.
Please post some smack coming from me, or retreat your statement. Atm you look like JF, trying to screw everyone internally.
I was away from game from 31.9.2005 to let's say 15.11.2005. Don't forget that in that time PA had Risk crysis and did declare empire war to risk? So maybe you didn't look too well, because risk had some serious losses in empire. And if you join -V- to get empire war, how can it be PA's war? Please elaborate, because i really don't get it.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:26:00 -
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I miss HPA tbh.
Death and Glory in H-PA
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Yolan
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Yolan on 17/01/2006 18:33:13
**** happens.
GL PA/NBSI you guys are gonna need it. Thank **** we are outta H-PA after spending most of 2003 as a member of PA fighting BoB there and now as a member of F-E fighting ATUK there im kinda getting bored of the wallpaper. Wish the Guristas would redecorate occasionally
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MyFire
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
I miss HPA tbh.
I don't know why... call me stupid (don't u DARE :P ), but something deep inside me tells me that u wont be missing it for too long...
But on the other hand something else tells me that lunas can fly t2 frigs....
naaaaahhhh !!! can't be true !!!
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IRTEHWINTBH
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: IRTEHWINTBH on 17/01/2006 18:46:03
nvm
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Shyalud
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:48:00 -
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Well, the thing is that the fight against the 5 in Venal was never our fight, the only reasons we were involved was to help our neighboors and have fun fighting the 5.
Well, seeing that it wasn't our fight, and not seeing the locals supporting their own space we looked at each other and said "WTF are we doing here?" The simple fact is that we were there to help. We saw the situation as if we are here, in your space, to fight, you should be too. As soon as we realized they were of doing something else rather then face what we thought was the problem, we said enough, let's go home.
It's a simple disagreement of tactics. If PA feel they can maintain their space the way they choose to fight, then more power to them, and we wish them well. But, since we disagree with the tactics, we are going home.
Personally, I'll miss the fights in H-PA, any day in H-PA was a tournament of two disciplined forces engageing frequently, and doing it well.
Props to PA, and NBSI, we wish you all the best.
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Gazmus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 18:56:00 -
[194]
lol loving this thread great read
NBSI FTW
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Raznarok
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:04:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Zzazzt
Edited by: Zzazzt on 17/01/2006 09:18:28
Edited by: Zzazzt on 17/01/2006 09:06:08
Originally by: Liet Traep
I know for a fact we (NBSI) have members fighting side by side with f-e every day gate camping and patrolling the pipe.
Indeed - and the few members of your two alliances that have stuck around to participate in the defence of your home regions, deserve applause & respect.
Not too many of them though, is there. Where were the rest of you?
Originally by: Nyxus
load of rot about planning, goals & vision
We declared on 5. For PA (although with a certain amount of relish, I will admit).
We fought KIA. For PA.
We fought RISK. For PA.
We fought V. For PA.
We moved to H-PA to take the fight to 5.
We asked you (PA & NBSI) for more support months ago. Didn't happen.
We told you (PA & NBSI) that we couldn't do it alone a month later. Couple of fleets, then nothing.
We told you (PA & NBSI) a few weeks before christmas that if things continued as was, we'd pull out of H-PA. Again, couple of fleets, then nothing.
Recently, what's happened when we (FE)'ve tried to contact you (PA & NBSI)? Rejected convos, unanswered evemails.
Then - the final straw. We discover that you've been shooting at KIA again, bringing them to our space.
i.e. We've been fighting the guys in your front room whilst you've been round the block fighting someone totally unrelated.
Planning? Organisation? You expect FE to provide these things for the defence of Venal?
I hear you when you say you don't like blobbing & would rather go wolf packing 'cos it's more fun. You're right. It is more fun.
But hey. You want to claim 0.0 space? You gotta do what's neccesary. Even if it means blobbing.
Answer me this - why should we have committed our dreads to an arena where we could not depend on the numbers from your two alliances? If you'd've joined us in H-PA & proved that you could field an adequate support blob, you'd've seen the dreads (not just ours, I might add), the ATUK POS would be gone, & we'd still be playing poker and smackdancing local with siim & script.
You guys had the chance (OVER THE COURSE OF MONTHS!!!!) to use our support & rid yourselves of your enemy. Instead, you went somewhere else & brought KIA up into tribute.
Good planning mate...
Wow - what do I have to do to get a reply like that??
Well stated.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:05:00 -
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Shy, are you actually shooting people now?
I remember back when all ya did was mine Kernite (I still have hardcorps first Bessie living in Nalu :p). Ah, the good old carebear days.
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The Jok3r
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:15:00 -
[197]
ATUK must be laughing their collective heads off.
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CrimsonLobo
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:17:00 -
[198]
/me checks OP..... ahh ok.
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Ituralde
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:41:00 -
[199]
On the note of RISK alliance taking BKG:
I remember when that happened and PA and NBSI went and kicked them out. What was F-E doing you ask? We were fighting another war. That entire time you were shooting POSs we were holding down a .5. fleet from coming up and shooting you by running them around in circles in venal. This is about when they first took H-PA and we did not want them punking your dreads from behind while you took out the RISK POSs. So tell me again that we did not help you out.
Also, nine times out of ten when risk came up to your space, they were shot at all the way up and all the way down as they passed through our space to get to you.
Really, I think its just most inexcusable that PA made little to no concerted effort to take back THEIR OWN space yet continued to post on the map thread about how 5 did not legitimately contest *their* space. F-E did most of the work backing up their empty claims with what action we could take.
Really, NBSI has not been what they were since E-R left, and as they lost alot I don't really fault them here, as they cannot field that I have seen anything close to what they once could. However, that makes it a really bad idea to drag new enemies up through our territory, isn't it? You may have fun shooting them but really we have enough as it is, Its just inconsiderate to draw them to attack us particularly when we are not consulted and clearly have a more important enemy on our hands.
PA, a small fraction of you put up a commendable effort in H-PA over the past few weeks. The rest of you, shame, shame. There is no excuse to not be doing something for your alliance when you have someone invading. If you claim the space you had better be the PRIMARY group of people losing ships to defend it. Else, abandon your claim to the region. Seriously, I feel bad for those in your own alliance you all left alone in H-PA and the surrounding areas to die because you never really commited to supporting them.
I can't say how many times I have seen people ask me in the friendly conversations I have had with our enemies about why we were working so hard to defend PA. My response was always the same, they are our allies and we won't let them die. However, I really questioned this as they RARELY came down to help themselves in their own territory and almost never helped us in our own.
Note that nowhere in this has F-E stated we will kill PA or NBSI. We are just leaving these two alliances to defend themselves for once instead of relying on us as a meatshield. If you are as stellar as you are claiming here about defending yourselves, then really, this is no major loss, is it?
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Shyalud
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:41:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Mephistos
Shy, are you actually shooting people now?
I remember back when all ya did was mine Kernite (I still have hardcorps first Bessie living in Nalu :p). Ah, the good old carebear days.
It's been a long time since Nalu(3 years?), Meph, I am a now a member of MA (miners anonymous) and I am proud to say I have been dry for nearly 2 years now!
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.01.17 19:50:00 -
[201]
Hi.
I was PA.
Now I'm not.
I really never-ever-ever wanted to set foot in/around venal again.
Thanx for reading. Cya...around
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:01:00 -
[202]
Kia seems to be confused. We killed them because they were neutral, and we already patrol Geminate for neutrals. Same as we patrol the pipes to Obe and Taisy, and the low sec areas around there. Hell we even hit PB sometimes.
I haven't seen this much whining from KIA since PA blew up a couple of Eddz ships.
Honestly, I am interested to see if PA picks up the ball and tries to clear their system. If they come up with a plan OCC will lend whatever help they need.
Eddz, if you want a fight we're here, all you have to do is dec. Till then, we'll just keep you at neutral. So expect shooting.
FE will remain blue till they decide not to be.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:06:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Shyalud
It's a simple disagreement of tactics. But, since we disagree with the tactics, we are going home.
Well....yes....and no.
Convincing a determined group to move out of an NPC station is a difficult proposition. You have to not give them any place to to form up and out-bored them. As long as a SS where they can not be harmed exists, they can sneak out during slow time/dt log off there, and only come out to fight when THEY want to. That let's them "Win" in any engagement as they determine when they want to fight, while the campers (us) are dog tired and bored, and will be slow to react once they finally do fight.
This actually gives ATUK what they want - a fight in thier favor on thier terms.
This was not the original plan however. As Slothe adroitly pointed out, destroying the POS staging point denies Atuk/The Five the ability to form up and forces them to fight on OUR terms. They either have to come out of a station practically blind in group, or risk getting ganked 1 by 1 as they log on. As was also indicated, taking down a Large POS fully loaded is a pretty nasty proposition. The orginal plan from Krulldari was to bring at least 15 dreads to try to minimize possible Dread losses.
We thought this was a good plan. We agreed to bring ships and dreads. Our pilots are flexible and would be ready for any timezone, but we did ask that we assault on a weeknight to minimize the lag, becuase even then it was going to be bad. F-E said they would let us know the time.
So we waited. And waited. And waited. Then we asked. Sent emails. Wondered. And finally gave up.
So then we hear about what seem to be spur of the moment, random fleets moving to H-PA to fight. As we previously discussed with some of F-E leadership, while it can be fun it's ultimately not productive becuase it lets ATUK fight on their terms, and gives them something interesting to do.
We still see LOTS of F-E in M-O camping. We pvp with them, hunt 5 and pirates in the pipe. We find them mining and NPCing. We ask if there is going to be an assault on the POS. We either get silence or "I don't know". That is very frustrating. As it's not what the original plan was, and no one seems to be able to tell us what, if any, the current plan is, other than go pvp and have fleet fights with 5.
In the meantime, RISK starts putting up some POS near NBSI space. We blow them up. So they come back a bit later and put a large up. So we bring a fleet and shoot the Large Tower into reinforced mode. Don't tell me we are roaming and camping when we spend *HOURS* shooting a POSs. Shooting POS SUCKS. RISK gets it out of reinforced mode and manages to online guns. We attacked anyway. It was UGLY. Lots of losses, and we decide to starve it out. Constant camping, sweeps to remove any support it may get. This was 2 weeks ago. Last week RISK brought 2 dreads and a support fleet to try to pop some of our POS. We destroyed one dread, the support fleet, and one dread logged. NBSI 4TW.
F-E didn't "defend" our space. And tbh, we didn't ask them to help kill those things becuase we didnt need the help. During that time we still managed to send fleets to D7 though when ATUK attacked. We still managed to send people to help blockade the pipe. We still ran patrols to nail the roaming gank squads .
And now we are told "well you didn't do enough to help us" and imply that all we do is camp M-0? It's absurd, especially after sending multiple BS fleets to help FE out in D7.
And lastly, instead of telling us you have a problem, Persh makes a random 4 sentence post here, and instantly kicks all NBSI from Coalition channels. THE FUNNY THING WAS WE WERE IN CURRENT OPS AT THE TIME WITH F-E PILOTS AND EVEN THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Overall, it was just handled extremely poorly, which is sad because we have a lot of friends in F-E and respect for them.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:19:00 -
[204]
Eddz - I will make a new post for us to flame...err "discuss" our differences there. Aelius has a good point. Thank you for clarifying the timelines and what happened between you and F-E. When Zzazzt brought that up I had no clue what he was talking about.
I would like to point out that PA did not tell us you were in geminate. NBSI members had seen KIA in taisy and M-O on occasion and asked what NBSI status to KIA was. We were bored, and KIA have always been fun to fight. So it was changed. A patrol did accidently run accross your people there. Since you were neutral and in 0.0, we shot you. If we knew you were there more than that once, I guarantee more NSBI would have been up there looking since you guys are normally good for a fight. The concept that you would be mining with your KIA mains in F-E claimed space is strikingly odd and wrong to NBSI.
For the public record, NBSI have not had any official ops in the south for a while as we have been busy fighting ATUK/RISK and a bit of BoB when they were over in G/Iron space and wandered in pureblind. This is not to say that 2 or 3 pilots don't go joyriding in vagas and ceptors down there for kicks every once in a while, but please dont confuse that with an actual op.
Nyxus
Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
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Azeroth Uluntil
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:25:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 17/01/2006 20:26:15
Originally by: DjDangle
Originally by: hired goon
Kiss and make up or IRON will kill you both.
Yup, that comment from Imp would put the fear of god into me
Imp? Wtf? Read please.
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Ive been in h-pa myself and u have loads of Fe and Pa is mining somwhere. Best decission, so r u going to work closer with V then?
Gyro 4tw. Things may get interesting if they decide to work with V.
Originally by: Delthus
Originally by: hired goon
Why are my friends fighting eachother!
Kiss and make up or IRON will kill you both.
i thought Iron would appreciate this
We do. :-) Makes things interesting.
Can you guys just start shooting each other now? (NBSI and KIA)
Oh yeah, I contributed about as much as most NBSI members to this thread... Back to the OP guys, stop taking over F-E's frigin forum post.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:52:00 -
[206]
From what it looks like, all this is a poorly handled incident of miscommunication. Things are much simpler,you all still shoot the same people, but don't respond to eachother's calls for help.
As for KIA, they are a well respected group in general. I'm surprised to find more posts from KIA bashing on NBSI than [5] posts,who tbh are the ones who will benefit the most from all this.
Having seen both sides of the coin, i can safely say that E-R's exodus from NBSI was due to unwilligness to participate in this "balancing act".
What's that? Well, NBSI came to tenal on PA's invitation and some of NBSI's members would feel obliged to help them. On the other hand, with NBSI's limited numbers that means leaving FE exposed.
So instead of focusing on one priority at a time, ppl would have to do a little bit of everything, balancing their help between PA and FE,and that's not even taking into account any possible necessary actions aiming at NBSI's own agenda for fortifying their space.
Take also into account the fact that lag and blobs usually diminish any discernible fun factor in fighting an enemy who's based in an NPC system,and you start to see where all this is leading.
I wish my former allies in NBSI,PA and FE to keep a cool head about this and keep positive standings,even if not cooperating directly. As for NBSI, check your forum, i have some good news
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:55:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Mortuus
Kia seems to be confused. We killed them because they were neutral, and we already patrol Geminate for neutrals. Same as we patrol the pipes to Obe and Taisy, and the low sec areas around there. Hell we even hit PB sometimes.
PIRATES!
Lol I never thought I'd call someone a piwate.
What makes you think it's ok to patrol someone else's space (FE)and shoot "neutrals" even though the ones that claim that space have them at positive?
Maybe you should have spent your energy shooting atuk+friends instead of coming all the way down to get some irrelevant kills... no wonder FE ditched your "friendship"... go persphanie
btw mort you also said :"Eddz, if you want a fight we're here, all you have to do is dec. Till then, we'll just keep you at neutral. So expect shooting."
So nothing will change if you get war-deced really... since you already shoot us while being neutral I mean
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.17 20:57:00 -
[208]
F-E has rapidly grown over the last few months, not only in new corps to their alliance but non-alliance corps set to blue by F-E and operating in their claimed territories. During this time, I have heard over and over again by several members in NBSI leadership that standings information has not been communicated by F-E in a timely manner. This I believe has resulted in some ship losses in the pipe.
Many of the posts in this thread have talked about assaults on H-PA and the advanced planning (or lack there of) for these assaults.
Both of these are communications issues.
I believe this whole "PA/NBSI are no longer allies" post by Persephanie is born from the gradual degradation in communications between our 3 alliances to the point where Perseph has just given up on helping remove ATUK from H-PA. I think many people can understand your frustration Perseph.
With better coordination (which requires communications) between the 3 alliances the ATUK POS would already be gone.
I would hope that the leaders of PA, F-E, and NBSI could get together (regardless of the change in F-E's political stance) and work out some of these communications issues. Many of the fighters in our alliances get along just fine and work well together while the leadership seems to be having the problems.
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Ituralde
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Posted - 2006.01.17 21:08:00 -
[209]
IMO I think NBSI is largely excused save that you started another fight with KIA and dragged them through our space. If you are as busy fighting as you claim then don't invent new enemies. I never heard of RISK doing anything POS related so really thats your fault for not saying anything. Also, there is nothing in geminate that poses us a serious threat, a KIA miner is not going to eat us for breakfast. Fight something that takes some nuts and come to H-PA29 and slug it out with the rest of us. I do beleive NBSI was second after PA to war dec the 5, so show some willingness to back that up with some action. Sadly, we have waited too long and our leadership is done waiting and losing ships.
PA however is never excused as Venal is your space and we are doing most of the dying to protect it. Props to the PA that fight, shame to the 95% who don't help take their space back. You were first of all of us to war dec the 5, they are now in the territory you still claim, yet fight them the least.
This is very simple, if you are as good as you claim then this really should not be an issue, as you guys can defend yourselves, right?
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vladdy2
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Posted - 2006.01.17 21:32:00 -
[210]
other than to say the following (i'll stfu):
looks like the only PA guy in this thread has been LukeC, the rest of PA appears to be keeping clear of this thread/subject. hmmmm strange
i like the obvious.
have fun you guys
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.17 21:45:00 -
[211]
just awesome, that 3 alliances cant manage to take down the pos from one corp
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 21:51:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
just awesome, that 3 alliances cant manage to take down the pos from one corp
If you need to write 3 pettitions to move 3j...
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.17 22:00:00 -
[213]
im sure in the weeks that passed since atuk put that pos up and u made that plans, u had enough time to move into hpa - i mean atuk made it to u, too?
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Pradege D'Hallur
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Posted - 2006.01.17 22:08:00 -
[214]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Bullsh.it Nyxus, we had reset your asses to Neutral, as per the conversations with your leadership after the last contract.
You came down to Germinate, not on random patrols, but becuase your little PA bumchums had found our mining op in 8MG, and taken delight in blowing up a couple of NPC/Mining BS, and revelling in the feww 100 mill in loot. You came sniffing for easy kills, you know it, we know it you fracking (BG ftw) coward, your guys honour swayed by the tales of free and easy loot that no doubt the PA scum fed you.
You informed us quite kertly, not too long b4 engaging us, that we were now reset to neutral (neutral to you means shooty, neutral to us means no shooty, that ambiguity helped you get your easy ganks). Your frackin lowlifes, and you know it. Why dont you come looking for us when we are in battle regalia, whilst we are on a contract I wander? BECAUSE WE'D HAND YOUR ASSES TO YOU, is the obvious answer.
FE fought against KIA for the sake of PA TWICE, thanks to the PA, FE are our MOST KILLED alliance, they have lost much for the sake of that **** poor excuse for an alliance, they didnt need to fight us, they didnt even want to fight us, but we wanted PA, and they did the honourable thing and stood between us and them. FE are quite capable of defending their own space, and they have imho a good set of guys at the helm, and a such generally have good relationships with other entities in the game. They needn't be staring any trouble in the face unless they choose it.
In fact the trouble they got, is cowardly spinless allies like yourselves and PA. Who force them to fight people they dont actually want to fight.
No wander your corps are leaving you, no wander your sliding into an oblivion that I never thought NBSI would end up in, labelled another PA, another joke.
Tell you what you can do Nyxus,a nd the same goes for your "brethren" in the PA, you can make KIAs war decs mutual next week, becuase we want a chunk of your rotten flesh on the slab, and we are gonna take it the only way we know how, and that's in combat, unlike you guys, against other ships that have guns on them.
I only prey that with SAS at the helm, CI won't fall into the same trap as you, and be led to a place where respect and honour is replaced by deviance and slime.
GAWD DAMNNNNN..
When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.01.17 22:10:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
im sure in the weeks that passed since atuk put that pos up and u made that plans, u had enough time to move into hpa - i mean atuk made it to u, too?
Well atm, there is such lag that anything is impossible.
And not everyone in this game has 2 accounts or more to play with, if his pvp char is stuck/camped somewhere. So case from this evening: atuk decides to knock pos... we start assembling around... From 6nj(3j out) we started at 20.30 but at 22.00 we were still 2j out. People from branch came, jumped to 9-2, then got stuck. Pettition... teleported back to branch.
Anyway, it is game, it is supposed to be fun, but from what i've seen tonight, i'm really tempted to go on another anti addiction period. I mean, if staring at stupid gate 20mins is fun...
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.17 22:35:00 -
[216]
Whaaah! Piwates.
Actually, its not for profit, just for fun. So not pirates, more like murderers. You aren't blue, so you get shot. Stop whining about it.
Only change in a dec'd war is there is no hiding in empire.
As for H-PA, with todays lag, screw it. We can't bring in fleets because the system dies. Maybe we should do this old school, and arrange our battles.
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
Lone Bear
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Posted - 2006.01.17 22:58:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Lone Bear on 17/01/2006 23:02:42
Originally by: vladdy2
other than to say the following (i'll stfu):
looks like the only PA guy in this thread has been LukeC, the rest of PA appears to be keeping clear of this thread/subject. hmmmm strange
i like the obvious.
have fun you guys
What could be said? Persh made a "statement"; Slothe, SinBin and Eversor developped it and filled in the empty boxes.
Then we got the forum hate from kia towards nbsi/pa + random comments.
That's a good sum up for this thread.
Beside that, we do not need to "wash our dirty clothes in public".
This post only bla bla bla my own views
Edit: typo
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:10:00 -
[218]
Rabble Rabble Rabble
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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XLoc Duece
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:19:00 -
[219]
Edited by: XLoc Duece on 17/01/2006 23:27:45
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C4w3
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:19:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Cartiff
Rabble Rabble Rabble
So true ;0)
"If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one. |
LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:30:00 -
[221]
Edited by: LWMaverick on 17/01/2006 23:33:23
Originally by: XLoc Duece
Originally by: KIAEddZ
PA/NBSi are a total hollow shell of the once great alliances they were. Embarrasing and pathetic, F-E did well to step away from them.
Gl Persp.
says the pathectic merc corp that almost disbanded because they did not have enough active members.
Says the pathectic alt, wich can't get it in that they did'nt and now their back on track.
So leave your corp name/allience ticker after the *plop* and we'll get right to your *** kicking.
/Mav
With great power, comes great responsibility. |
Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:31:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Cartiff
Rabble Rabble Rabble
Hey !.... thats a copyrighted remark, you will hear from our lawyers
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:40:00 -
[223]
Our legal team was advised to look into your copyright on the term "Rabble Rabble Rabble" and it seems that some vital paperwork was missing from the application.
It seems that "Rabble" is a word already copyrighted by Microsoft(tm) as a means to brush aside unhappy customers.
With your blatent abuse of the Microsoft(tm) phrase, we felt honourbound (and not at all inregards to the large retainer paid to us by Microsoft(tm) ) to inform the proper authorities of this breach of law.
Your lawyers will be contacted in due course and then we will BURN YOUR CHILDREN *****, RAWR DIE DIE DIE
ahem.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.17 23:49:00 -
[224]
Ok. I believe this thread has been sufficently entertaining.
Requesting lock please. |
Smith
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Posted - 2006.01.18 00:00:00 -
[225]
Originally by: pershphanie
Ok. I believe this thread has been sufficently entertaining.
Requesting lock please.
Indeed. So much hate in here.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2006.01.18 00:04:00 -
[226]
i Lubs you all
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.01.18 00:13:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Smith
Originally by: pershphanie
Ok. I believe this thread has been sufficently entertaining.
Requesting lock please.
Indeed. So much hate in here.
Nah.. you got the wrong idea.. It's just a very strange way of showing love.
And besides, hate and love is not very far from eachother.
/me loves you all, ofc course some more, some less ;D
/Mav - Over'n'Out
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2006.01.18 00:13:00 -
[228]
persh why would you want to lock a great thread like this, I havent had a good laugh from this forum in a while, DONT LET IT DIE!!!!
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Creyster
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Posted - 2006.01.18 01:04:00 -
[229]
Well i have to agree whit Eddz..
__Masken
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XLoc Duece
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Posted - 2006.01.18 01:11:00 -
[230]
WTS: powertrip pills
ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED USERS.
they have a heavy base.
look what they did with pers.
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fl0pski
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Posted - 2006.01.18 01:13:00 -
[231]
Edited by: fl0pski on 18/01/2006 01:14:21
sorry delete
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.18 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: XLoc Duece
WTS: powertrip pills
ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED USERS.
they have a heavy base.
look what they did with pers.
WTS - courage pills
Allows you to have the stones to post with your main
available to all members of the state war academy |
SinBin
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Posted - 2006.01.18 03:14:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Smith
Originally by: pershphanie
Ok. I believe this thread has been sufficently entertaining.
Requesting lock please.
Indeed. So much hate in here.
yea what a narsty bunch, cup of tea Mr Smith ?.
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Mohadeeb
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Posted - 2006.01.18 04:54:00 -
[234]
Politics and hate posts here, Its just a game guys i think some of you really need to get laid (if your old enough). or maybe your parents didn't love you enough.
F-E's made a decision to go there own way big deal move on adapt and carry on.
I still think the missile nerf sux.
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Hells Bliss
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Posted - 2006.01.18 04:56:00 -
[235]
Originally by: vladdy2
other than to say the following (i'll stfu):
looks like the only PA guy in this thread has been LukeC, the rest of PA appears to be keeping clear of this thread/subject. hmmmm strange
i like the obvious.
have fun you guys
bah you took my point! I read through 8 pages of flame to make a point and you took it! you suck!!!! :P |
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Jorauk
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Posted - 2006.01.18 05:08:00 -
[236]
Temporarily locked for cleaning.
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Karrimdra
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Posted - 2006.01.18 06:01:00 -
[237]
Originally by: ElCoCo
btw mort you also said :"Eddz, if you want a fight we're here, all you have to do is dec. Till then, we'll just keep you at neutral. So expect shooting."
So nothing will change if you get war-deced really... since you already shoot us while being neutral I mean
Isn't a war dec slightly ireelevant, since the space your using is 0,0? Just thought i'd point something out...
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.18 06:40:00 -
[238]
Nope, because then we can shoot them in empire too! Adds a whole new dimension, not safe anywhere for both sides. Its not a war without fighting in empire as well.
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
Adelai Niska
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Posted - 2006.01.18 07:21:00 -
[239]
Though on occasion they can field large a fleet, PA's has been relatively weak for day-to-day pvping for a long time. They only seem to field fleets on occasions when there's already major pilots in the area, and the node's on the edge of crashing. Certain corps are exceptions, and fight regularly, but PA as a whole does not seem to be PvP-oriented enough to hold the space they do. F-E's leadership has had a little voice in the back of its head wanting to backstab PA for a long time, but they havn't been listening to it, and still havn't here - it was just one of the long list of things nudging them in the direction they went.
F-E has been admirous of NBSI's dedication to combat. However, NBSI have close ties to PA, E-R leaving NBSI took out a big chunk of their fleets, and NBSI now refuses to blob H-PA as a solution to the H-PA problem, due to tactical differences.
F-E leadership is very good at keeping the alliance just organized enough to hold together, but is bad at planning + executing an assault. They think tactically well, they're awesome at handling diplomacy, but strategically they listen to their emotions, not a battle plan. It took a big effort to get most of the alliance PvPers in H-PA (Though MLM has been there for weeks). A good bit of the emotion-based thinking is the concept of 'breaking atuk's back,' as if you could destroy such a well-placed alliance.
The H-PA POS is well hardened against assault, requiring multiple dreads. Atuk has demonstrated a sniping tactic that just blew one of the F-E leaders' BS out of the sky just outside the F-E POS bubble, within range of the guns. The theory is that the guns should have aggroed the sniper BS fleet, but didn't because of a bug. This could just as easily have been a dread. Very possibly, it's this bug: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=241508&page=1 , making what they did an exploit, whether they intended it or not. F-E does not want to lose dreads in an assault to defend PA space, when PA has half a dozen pilots in our gangs, and NBSI has their gangs elsewhere.
F-E has been camping H-PA on the basis of not allowing them to form a fleet in the first place for a few weeks now. When they do form a fleet, the theory goes that there is nothing to gank but the F-E blob in H-PA, since all our players are out of tribute/vale. Such a strategy requires total dedication, and F-E are tired of their allies not using said strategy.
And now, for the trigger element, mobile ganksquads are being run by PA/NBSI elsewhere than PA/NBSI space, while F-E pilots are pursuing the boring camping of H-PA. Taking the gambit of the camping was a big leap for F-E, and isn't being reciprocated. F-E is neglecting their own claimed space at the other end, allowing hostiles to remove sovereignty from our stations and assault them.
It's a failure on everyone's part. NBSI to agree to camp, F-E to plan an assault, CCP for having the bug that nudges the F-E leaders away from planning an assault (a very difficult thing for them), and PA for being worthy of defending.
So F-E will stop defending H-PA(Which we had to do anyways sometime soon, our space is being nibbled at by people who don't deserve the capture mails), NBSI and PA's more active elements will hopefully either merge or somehow becomes strongerin the tension over atuk's being there.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.18 08:45:00 -
[240]
Very good post m8. no need to post stuff like that with an alt. I agree with it entirly. |
Jean
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Posted - 2006.01.18 11:58:00 -
[241]
Hope we get to see sum combat soon(tm)... Careboring is sooo tiring...
My bet is BlackLance is going to make a big appearance. I'm hard-pressed to think of any other NBSI corpnames atm...
GL&HF NBSI&PA
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.01.18 12:18:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 18/01/2006 12:19:21
Adelai Niska, good post, apart from the exploit part which is simply made up and bollox.
The guns didnt fire because the attackers were outside of 250km to the control tower (lockrange from ships is 249 km max)
This means no ship nor a dread can attack the control tower nor anything inside the forcefield however you can attack pilots OUTSIDE the forcefield, something which wouldnt have changed with a 300km lockrange due to the fact that the time we engaged the pilots were 90-120km outside of the bubble (alligning for ages ftl).
The simple solution to this mistake on FE's side is to stay within close vincinity or inside of the forcefield if you dont want to be shot by longrange ships, or ofc warp out to the alligned spot and warp back in at 15km doh.
sniping somenoe far outside of the pos bubble with longrange ammo is as much an expoit as sitting outside sentry range and killing ppl who arent on insta gate/docks or leaving the the gate. In short its not.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.18 12:23:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 18/01/2006 12:19:21
Adelai Niska, good post, apart from the exploit part which is simply made up and bollox.
The guns didnt fire because the attackers were outside of 250km to the control tower (lockrange from ships is 249 km max)
At first I thought it was some kind of bug/exploit/whatever. After viewing screenshots of it is clear that I was not as close to the pos as I thought. the5 fleet was 210ish km from me sniping and I was about 50km away from the tower. It was all legit. I just got caught in an unfortunate place at the wrong time. |
Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2006.01.18 14:39:00 -
[244]
I just wish to thank Five for a lot of nice fights up in H-PA. We had a good start, but at the end you where to strong for our force up there.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:05:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
I just wish to thank Five for a lot of nice fights up in H-PA. We had a good start, but at the end you where to strong for our force up there.
Wow, and the respect just keeps on growing. What's next? Peace? Say it ain't so. Who would we hate if not FE? Hmmm, me starts scanning forums for other targets. Ahhh, found some, just in case. .
Then again, few compliments won't change the our position over night. We still like shooting you guys.
The truth will set you free
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Trefnis
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:52:00 -
[246]
sorry for 2 pages delay im not so uber forum "user" but ur list is not complete:
KIA have contract against PA
contract ends, but KIA keep PA kos for smacktalk
KIA pilot kills PA pilot
You are getting killed in empire in expensive ship and wants reimburst
KIA says they will inflict 2 bil losses on PA
joins V for free wardec
V leaves fight
KIA is still kos to PA
then ur line:
Originally by: KIAEddZ
KIA miners are engaged by PA in 8mg
KIA receive notice that we are reset to neutral by NBSI
NBSI travel down south to gank some KIA miners.
A couple of KIA pilots are released to go extract a measure of revenge against NBSI and PA
NBSI are in FE space. FE are warned that we arecoming to kill NBSI and PA
This causes problems of course
KIA pilot is killed by FE
FE are approached and compensation is requested
FE ask what happened, agree compensation, and request that KIA do not enter FE space to kill NBSI and PA
KIA agree to not enter FE space, if FEs allies step back and stop ganking our miners
and now you whine that PA is killing your miners ??? C'mone its good when you kill miners or noobs in empire, but its bad when we have Your killmail with NPC as top dmgdealer ?
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Hulubu
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Posted - 2006.01.18 22:01:00 -
[247]
meh i love goats tbh, but i`m so confused
" Fight till The Death , and Die With Honor "
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Bujie
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:17:00 -
[248]
N - S - E - V ...it's all the same space only with different ppl. Goats are nice tho'
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2006.01.20 02:11:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/01/2006 16:17:44
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
I just wish to thank Five for a lot of nice fights up in H-PA. We had a good start, but at the end you where to strong for our force up there.
Wow, and the respect just keeps on growing. What's next? Peace? Say it ain't so. Who would we hate if not FE? Hmmm, me starts scanning forums for other targets. Ahhh, found some, just in case. .
Then again, few compliments won't change our position over night. We still like shooting you guys.
Hehe, I doubt VERY much we will be friends. Even if we should be blue to eachother sometime in the future (stranger things has happened), I will dislike you with a passion.
But some respect (and a little less smack) never hurts.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.01.20 03:34:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/01/2006 16:17:44
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
I just wish to thank Five for a lot of nice fights up in H-PA. We had a good start, but at the end you where to strong for our force up there.
Wow, and the respect just keeps on growing. What's next? Peace? Say it ain't so. Who would we hate if not FE? Hmmm, me starts scanning forums for other targets. Ahhh, found some, just in case. .
Then again, few compliments won't change our position over night. We still like shooting you guys.
Hehe, I doubt VERY much we will be friends. Even if we should be blue to eachother sometime in the future (stranger things has happened), I will dislike you with a passion.
But some respect (and a little less smack) never hurts.
The respect you received from me is only for telling the truth for once, nothing else. IĈm a big fan of the truth. Is a matter a fact, I was surprised that you actually admitted that we were too strong for you instead of claiming victory again.
In order to be friends (won't happen) you need to earn respect in battle, which you have long way to go, buddy. Docking and undocking from station in attempt to gank a lone frig sure won't do it, so no need to have any false hopes.
The truth will set you free
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.01.20 04:14:00 -
[251]
/me wanders in
/me whips out his 12 inch e-peen
/me wanders out again looking for a bottle of rum
Volt
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Svett
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Posted - 2006.01.20 04:40:00 -
[252]
so why did F-E surrender to the .5. ??
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.20 05:26:00 -
[253]
Edited by: pershphanie on 20/01/2006 05:27:24
Originally by: Svett
so why did F-E surrender to the .5. ??
We are going to do some housekeeping in our own space for a bit.
or as rumor has it:
We have a secret plot to destroy the north by napping with bob and the5.
take your pick. believe what cha like.
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Svett
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Posted - 2006.01.20 06:06:00 -
[254]
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 20/01/2006 05:27:24
Originally by: Svett
so why did F-E surrender to the .5. ??
We are going to do some housekeeping in our own space for a bit.
or as rumor has it:
We have a secret plot to destroy the north by napping with bob and the5.
take your pick. believe what cha like.
OH SNAP!
I'm getting my tinfoil hat!
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.01.20 06:12:00 -
[255]
GL in your new home [5]. in the immortal words of spock, live long and prosper.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.01.20 10:58:00 -
[256]
I smell nipples in my path...
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:02:00 -
[257]
got milk?
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Ceratin
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:13:00 -
[258]
Id like to join ATUK, where can i sign up ? :D |
Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.01.20 15:20:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
got milk?
We are busy milking some roids now
"What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Edoo
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:08:00 -
[260]
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you
Im not being funny but [V] were no problem, it was FE gangs who kept losing to them
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:58:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Edoo
Im not being funny but [V] were no problem, it was FE gangs who kept losing to them
im not being funny but the reason why we lost more to v was because we were between them and you.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:26:00 -
[262]
Good Luck to F-E
Always fun fighting you guys, both ingame and on the forums
even tho persh and slothe are two newbs tho
Give miners a log off timer
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.01.21 19:01:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Edoo
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 17/01/2006 09:46:44
how about when you guys bit off more than you could chew with -V- alliance. You guys start fights knowing damn well there will be no reprocussions for you because they have to go through FE to get to you
Im not being funny but [V] were no problem, it was FE gangs who kept losing to them
Yes they were no problem coz FE was fighting them .
Much respect to V , had best fights ever with them tbh.
"What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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