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JinSanJong
Brethren Holdings
Brethren.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:18:00 -
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The few hours its knocks off, even at level 5 really doesnt actually help or make a difference personally and feel no real benefit. Not sure how other people feel about it. If it knocked it down to 12 hours then i guess that would be a whole lot more useful. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2043
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:19:00 -
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Eh. Not a huge time saver, but it's a nice convenience.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:20:00 -
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It's perfect .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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baltec1
Bat Country
8076
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:21:00 -
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And so start the "please just a bit more CCP" arguments.
I dont think CCP should have changed them. |
JinSanJong
Brethren Holdings
Brethren.
44
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:21:00 -
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flakeys wrote:It's perfect .
Care to elaborate sir? |
JinSanJong
Brethren Holdings
Brethren.
44
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:And so start the "please just a bit more CCP" arguments.
I dont think CCP should have changed them.
Well do you think the changei is useful to you personally or not? thats really the question. I mean it might be just me that feels like that. |
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:22:00 -
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I found it to be useful enough. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8076
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:23:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote:baltec1 wrote:And so start the "please just a bit more CCP" arguments.
I dont think CCP should have changed them. Well do you think the changei is useful to you personally or not? thats really the question. I mean it might be just me that feels like that.
Yes its handy. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2044
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:26:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Eh. Not a huge time saver, but it's a nice convenience.
To amplify; If I dump out of a blank clone into something a bit smarter at the end of the evening, I can get back into my dumbass clone before launching into the next night's op. Of course, that pretty much means I'm stuck 'dumb' until sometime the following day, but it' still convenient for weekday ops.
Sometimes.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1292
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:28:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Eh. Not a huge time saver, but it's a nice convenience.
which was the point of the skill to allow you to actually jump every day.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3978
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:28:00 -
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The point is that a 24h timer was a 24h and a bit timer, actually.
If you had to jumpclone every day, unless you managed to always jump when the timer ran out,
one just kept pushing the timer to a later moment in time.
With these skills you actually get the chance to use it once a day,
compared to once a day and a bit.
Hope i expressed myself correctly. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16619
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:38:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:The point is that a 24h timer was a 24h and a bit timer, actually.
If you had to jumpclone every day, unless you managed to always jump when the timer ran out,
one just kept pushing the timer to a later moment in time.
With these skills you actually get the chance to use it once a day,
compared to once a day and a bit.
Hope i expressed myself correctly.
Yup.
The skill was not intended to make jumping a common occurrence GÇö only to allow you to actually do it once a day.
Nothing more is needed. In fact, the skill isn't needed GÇö it's still the wrong solution to the problem. The correct solution would have been to not implemented the skill and to just reduce the timer to a flat 23 hours. Still, the skill is a solution, even if it's a stupid one.
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Leafar Nightfall
Angels and Demons Inc.
Mordus Angels
86
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:45:00 -
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CCP dun it wrong, they should have just added a skill to zero the JC timer so that we could travel trhoughout the whole galaxy instantly as much as we'd like
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Like said, it's useful because you can use it everytime you get home during the week, almost disregarding the time you did it the day before |
Murk Paradox
Duty.
The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:50:00 -
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I would love to see it be like 12 hours or something, but unfortunately it isn't going to happen.
As it is, it is worth spending the extra days skilling it up to help enable a jump clone hop on time instead of having to time it.
I don't have to wait until 8pm, or whatever time if my alliance puts up a calendar event/op that requires me to be in a different clone. I can simply jump when I get home.
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Eggs Ackley
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:14:00 -
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We want recall runes. |
Orakkus
Wraithguard.
Dirt Nap Squad.
188
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:23:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote: The few hours its knocks off, even at level 5 really doesnt actually help or make a difference personally and feel no real benefit. Not sure how other people feel about it. If it knocked it down to 12 hours then i guess that would be a whole lot more useful.
While I favor the "12 hr" Jump Clone, I still think that what CCP has done with the Jump Clone activiation skill is good. As far as it being a skill, because I am a workin' man it was sufficient for me to train it up to level 3 to where I can always JC when I get home from my job. So, yeah. It is useful and practical in its current iteration.
Though, a 12 hr Jump Clone would still be nice.
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JinSanJong
Brethren Holdings
Brethren.
44
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:01:00 -
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Yes I agree it's more convienient now no doubt. Sometimes you just need to JC because you have to for a task that will only take a very short period of time <1hr. Then I want toJC back PDQ to where my actual gameplay is going on, however I have to wait 19 hours to do so, therefore I have to just log off for that period or more because I can't really do anything . Meh maybe I want the moon on a stick :) |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:52:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote:Yes I agree it's more convienient now no doubt. Sometimes you just need to JC because you have to for a task that will only take a very short period of time <1hr. Then I want toJC back PDQ to where my actual gameplay is going on, however I have to wait 19 hours to do so, therefore I have to just log off for that period or more because I can't really do anything . Meh maybe I want the moon on a stick :)
You dont HAVE to do jack ****. Did you know that spaceships in this game can... wait for it.. TRAVEL through space? Yes! You can reach your destination by warping there. Wormhole shortcuts, jump bridge networks, cyno alts with jump capable ships.
The 19 hours is a convenience. Its perfect.
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manutari
Pirate Manufacturing and Supply Services Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 00:27:00 -
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I have no use for it myself.
I find jump clones to be completely useless anyways. When I lived in /0 sec I tried them out for a bit when needing to go to lowsec or what not but found that it was a pain to deal with the 24 hour wait time and easier for me to fly 40 jumps up and 40 jumps back down. Plus, when you're in a clone, you don't have your implants (unless you buy them) so you lose SP's if you are using skill implants and I was losing training time. One time I self destructed my JC and I actually lost the clone grade on my Main Clone which I had to then upgrade my main clone once again. So if you are using a JC and you can't bring the implants with you because it's a different clone, but if your JC is blown up, it also directly effects the clone grade on your main clone? it makes no sense to me. I pay the same amount repurchasing implants on my main as I do upgrading my main clone's grade because a completely separate clone (JC) was blown up.
other words, I am not even going to bother with JC's or JC skill books and I think it is useless myself. |
45thtiger 0109
The Mockers AO
14
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Posted - 2013.09.26 00:36:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote: The few hours its knocks off, even at level 5 really does not actually help or make a difference personally and feel no real benefit. Not sure how other people feel about it. If it knocked it down to 12 hours then i guess that would be a whole lot more useful.
Did you say it knocks a few hours, well that knocks off five hours from the countdown timer.
If you take it to lvl 5 you only have to wait 19 hours before you can Jump Clone again instead of the 24 Hours.
I think its a great Idea that CCP had done what they had done.
Remember to play the Game as intended.
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2013.09.26 01:50:00 -
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manutari wrote:I have no use for it myself.
I find jump clones to be completely useless anyways. When I lived in /0 sec I tried them out for a bit when needing to go to lowsec or what not but found that it was a pain to deal with the 24 hour wait time and easier for me to fly 40 jumps up and 40 jumps back down. Plus, when you're in a clone, you don't have your implants (unless you buy them) so you lose SP's if you are using skill implants and I was losing training time. One time I self destructed my JC and I actually lost the clone grade on my Main Clone which I had to then upgrade my main clone once again. So if you are using a JC and you can't bring the implants with you because it's a different clone, but if your JC is blown up, it also directly effects the clone grade on your main clone? it makes no sense to me. I pay the same amount repurchasing implants on my main as I do upgrading my main clone's grade because a completely separate clone (JC) was blown up.
other words, I am not even going to bother with JC's or JC skill books and I think it is useless myself.
You seem to be confused about Jump Clones and Medical Clones.
The Medical Clone is your 'respawn' point for when you get podded and has nothing to do with Jump Clones.
Jump Clones are spare bodies, Each one has its own head for plugging in implants. You can place them where ever you want in the universe and transport (Jump) yourself there subjest to the timer. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
560
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Posted - 2013.09.26 02:37:00 -
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Lvl 5 knocking down waiting time to 12 hr would be great!
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2326
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Posted - 2013.09.26 03:07:00 -
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it's an irrelevant skill added to give bittervets something to train *shrug*
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ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
Nocturnal Legion
167
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Posted - 2013.09.26 03:36:00 -
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Removing jumpclones from this game would be great
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
125
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Posted - 2013.09.26 03:55:00 -
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Should have made timer dependent on JC location. Short timers for JCs in the same system. 20 hour timer for other JCs. Or do a few steps of grey in-between. Whatever. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
174
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:02:00 -
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The point was never to get more than one jump per day, but to make it realistically feasible to actually use your one jump per day without inhibiting gameplay/making it a pain in the ass.
In the old system, if you jumped as 22:00 on one day, 23:00 on the next, the following day you would not be able to jump at 22:00.
Now, you can jump at 22:00, then 23:00, then 17:00, then 18:00, and so forth.
Reducing jump clone delay further would put it in the realm of multiple convenient jumps per day, which is a big No No. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2052
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:09:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:it's an irrelevant skill added to give bittervets something to train *shrug* Bittervets don't need more skills to train - there's something like 20+ years of possible skills to train already in the system.
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
156
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:49:00 -
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manutari wrote:I have no use for it myself.
I find jump clones to be completely useless anyways. When I lived in /0 sec I tried them out for a bit when needing to go to lowsec or what not but found that it was a pain to deal with the 24 hour wait time and easier for me to fly 40 jumps up and 40 jumps back down. Plus, when you're in a clone, you don't have your implants (unless you buy them) so you lose SP's if you are using skill implants and I was losing training time. One time I self destructed my JC and I actually lost the clone grade on my Main Clone which I had to then upgrade my main clone once again. So if you are using a JC and you can't bring the implants with you because it's a different clone, but if your JC is blown up, it also directly effects the clone grade on your main clone? it makes no sense to me. I pay the same amount repurchasing implants on my main as I do upgrading my main clone's grade because a completely separate clone (JC) was blown up.
other words, I am not even going to bother with JC's or JC skill books and I think it is useless myself.
You are totally doing it wrong.
JCs aren't for travel (well, you can use 'em that way, but that's . . . doing it wrong). JCs are for having multiple clones with different implants sets: For example, I have a clone with just training implants, a clone with lesser training implants and a bunch of cap skill/logi implants, a clone with lesser training implants and a bunch of gunnery implants, and a clone with probing/exploring implants. All are in the same system (wish I could keep 'em in the same station, but whatever).
So yeah, you should actually learn how to use them, they are very useful. Also don't require you to stupidly self destruct your pod and fail to update your medical clone . . .
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
781
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:And so start the "please just a bit more CCP" arguments.
I dont think CCP should have changed them.
i feel really bad: need to agree with you 
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
781
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:06:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote:baltec1 wrote:And so start the "please just a bit more CCP" arguments.
I dont think CCP should have changed them. Well do you think the changei is useful to you personally or not? thats really the question. I mean it might be just me that feels like that.
to be honest i don't think this change was needed at all. Only Tippia gave real argument "you cannot use JC every day because of 24 hours cooldown. It is always 24 hours + few seconds". All other people was just crying "JC cooldown period is too loooong!!!".
Change happened and .... we see such threads again: JC cooldown period is too loooong!
Me personally is getting this skill to V atm. Just because i have nothing to train. Not sure if i ever use it tho |
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