this is ridiculous.

so i am going to let two of my accounts go unsubed.

do something CCP.

classic case of inflation. eve has no real isk sinks. its only going to go higher. deal with it.

Ironically, this is why they cant do anything about suicide ganking, the Goons, or a lot of other things as well roflmao. Way to paint yourselves into a corner!

that is broken logic right there. You evoke sandbox, then break it for RL reasons? Plex should have been standardized by CCP with no player profit from the start. That way no one can 'fund' themselves using RL money - that is PtW.

someone is manipulating the price of plex, at first i thought it was ccp.

who would have motives to do such a thing? and why?

Because making your enemies spend real money on Internet spaceships when they don't want to is uber meta gaming.

nice cover sonny. i hope they take away your accounts if you are up to what i think you lot are. and inform the tax man to make sure your paying revenue on all your incomes.

classic case of inflation. eve has no real isk sinks. its only going to go higher. deal with it.

nice cover sonny. i hope they take away your accounts if you are up to what i think you lot are. and inform the tax man to make sure your paying revenue on all your incomes.

A rise in the price of one item, or even a handful is not inflation.

The most likely explanation is a reduced supply of plex.

Eve has plenty of ISK sinks, and with the increasing abundance of LP there will be more and more ISK dumped into LP stores.

A rise in the price of one item, or even a handful is not inflation.

The most likely explanation is a reduced supply of plex.

Eve has plenty of ISK sinks, and with the increasing abundance of LP there will be more and more ISK dumped into LP stores.

The biggest ISK sink, the supercapital class is being nerfed in the next patch.

At first I thought this thread couldn't get any dumber than the Thorn guy posting.


Then I saw the PIE guy complaining that PLEX allowed Pay to Win strategies.


Then I saw your post.


I am frankly astonished that that lot of you haven't suffered some tragic real world accident due to the absolute highest levels of stupidity and short sightedness ever encased in one human body.


Thorn, you are dumb. There are no other words to covert it.

PIE guys, people will buy money in MMO's, its a historical fact, you can't stop it, fighting it takes millions of dollars and intrusive software that EVE players have flat out said is a no go, so circumventing that by legally allowing a method was the obvious cheapest/best choice. Denial of that basically makes you thorn.

Then this last guy.....I have no words, because you make the first two guys look like god damn rocket scientists.

GǪand they are ISK sinks, how, exactly?

PLEX for gametime is negatively affecting CCP's cashflow.

Here's a simplistic scenario :-

I Spend $10 for a PLEX on the site.
You who have billions of ISK buy the PLEX for 400Million ISK
You buy more.
And more.
You use a PLEX to fund an account, however many you may have, 1 or 20, does not matter.
You do not pay $20 to sub for a couple of months, not ever.
Say 50,000 accounts on the system.
10,000 are paying hard cash for subs
5,000 are paying hard cash for PLEX
There's a defecit of real money, real money not going to CCP.
Funding an account by buying and using ingame PLEX is a loss for CCP.

CCP is bleeding badly because of PLEX for subs.

2. PLEX that is unused and sitting in the hangar adds what CCP would most likely call "Deferred Income". 1x unused PLEX = Cash stuck in limbo (no one can touch it) until one of three conditions are met: ***NOTE: Even PLEX that is bought with ISK by another player is still unused PLEX.***

A) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) redeems the PLEX for game time.
B) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) donates the PLEX to a cause hosted by CCP.
C) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) redeems the PLEX for Aurum.

From an accounting perspective, Thorn Galen is right on one thing (although he is way off with his math).

There is a critical step that people here are missing.

1. Player A buys GTC online and converts the GTC to PLEX.

2. PLEX that is unused and sitting in the hangar adds what CCP would most likely call "Deferred Income". 1x unused PLEX = Cash stuck in limbo (no one can touch it) until one of three conditions are met: ***NOTE: Even PLEX that is bought with ISK by another player is still unused PLEX.***

A) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) redeems the PLEX for game time.
B) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) donates the PLEX to a cause hosted by CCP.
C) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) redeems the PLEX for Aurum.

Those are the only three conditions in which cash in limbo becomes unstuck and is no longer deferred income.

3. If conditions A or C are met, CCP keeps the cash and marks it as service income.

3.1. If condition B is met, CCP doesn't keep the cash so it pays the cash to a charity.

If you consider how PLEX is now commonly used as a traded commodity and thus some traders might just simply hold the unused PLEX for future trades, that means there is a great deal of cash stuck in limbo. How much? Only CCP knows.

But regardless, CCP doesn't lose money this way. They lose money when players unsub.

Of course, I could be wrong as well. Can anyone come up with a better theory?

It's useful for them to consider the potential liability when they say that they'll accept PLEX donations, and it's useful for them to do real-money accounting with the NEX store, but there's otherwise no 'deferred income' here. They get the money when the PLEX is created.

But you are talking about the books. How they record it. But while that sale should be recorded as deferred income (presuming CCP is on GAAP or another system that follows that rule (IFRS?)), they are by no means forced to put that cash in an untouchable escrow account until the plex is redeemed. They have the cash, and they can spend it. Don't forget about the other side of that entry. They record the cash in a regular cash account, not restricted cash account (CCP is not a NFP).

And you forgot scenario D) Plex is destroyed when in the cargo of a ship that goes boom. This would like a gift card that never gets used.

Ok, sorry for this becoming an accounting thread :)

PLEX for gametime is negatively affecting CCP's cashflow.

Here's a simplistic scenario :-

I Spend $10 for a PLEX on the site.
You who have billions of ISK buy the PLEX for 400Million ISK
You buy more.
And more.
You use a PLEX to fund an account, however many you may have, 1 or 20, does not matter.
You do not pay $20 to sub for a couple of months, not ever.
Say 50,000 accounts on the system.
10,000 are paying hard cash for subs
5,000 are paying hard cash for PLEX
There's a defecit of real money, real money not going to CCP.
Funding an account by buying and using ingame PLEX is a loss for CCP.

CCP is bleeding badly because of PLEX for subs.

So what you're saying is that CCP is willing to mark the cash in limbo as just service income and accept the burden of paying taxes even though some of that cash could potentially be used for donations (which can be tax exempt - depending on local tax laws)?