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Lucretia DeWinter
Star Frontiers
Dirt Nap Squad.
44
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:58:00 -
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US residents have an extremely good offer from a partner reseller that EU and UK and AUS and everyone else can't redeem.
The level of disparity is significant enough that I believe it requires discussion and justification.
If you buy PLEX from CCP and billed in the UK, it would cost you $145. (-ú90) So 6 PELX for $75 is actually stiffing UK players (and other Euros) for very nearly double the price.
But, but, but taxes... right?
Umm.. no. UK VAT at 20% (which is questionable as lots of "electronic services" are not charged VAT - would need a specialist who knows)
$75 amazon 6 PLEX (-ú46)
+ VAT (-ú9.20)
= -ú55.20 or $88.42
So where's the other $56 dollars and change go? Fifty six dollars? That's a lot.
People mostly don't mind when regional variations are small and justifiable (like an extra few bucks in taxes) but when one region is being screwed over with no logical or valid reason, people get angry.
Amazon has international presence - if you're going to partner with them, ensure they provide the offers to your customer base - which is international. Why does amazon.co.uk not have 6 PLEX offers up for -ú49.99? Or amazon.de for 56 Euros?
CCP made great efforts with re-balancing account billing so that geographically diverse regions pay roughly equivalent in local currency for their subs. So there's no excuse for this.
The collectors edition suffers the same thing - being equivalent of $50 more if you live outside the US.
Not very fair is it?
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Pippgirl
Just In Time Science
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:00:00 -
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It would be great to see a ccp response to this. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
63
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:01:00 -
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The cost of shipping is higher. j/k 
There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Samoth Egnoled
Infinitech
Catastrophic Uprising
24385
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:02:00 -
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Agreed, it should be the same price wherever you are. Being based in Iceland i thought CCP would aknowledge this. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad
Goonswarm Federation
237
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:02:00 -
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Its amazon thing. Being from europe and using amazon quite often, i encounter this quite often.
Either price can be different, or some items will not be available to you.
This is amazon policy. I very much doubt CCP can do anything about that. You have to raise these kind of questions with Amazon support.
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Pippgirl
Just In Time Science
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:04:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:Its amazon thing. Being from europe and using amazon quite often, i encounter this quite often.
Either price can be different, or some items will not be available to you.
This is amazon policy. I very much doubt CCP can do anything about that. You have to raise these kind of questions with Amazon support.
Fair enough. I am however sure CCP knew about this BEFORE they selected amazon. |
acemastr Ocer
Enlightened Academy
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:06:00 -
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Don't forget that there's a reason CCP chose Amazon to sell PLEX through, they could quite easily sell this offer via their website.
*Original thread got locked for 'Rumour Mongering' which I'm not entirely sure what rumours were mongered! |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp
Northern Associates.
206
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:06:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:...Amazon has international presence - if you're going to partner with them, ensure they provide the offers to your customer base - which is international. Why does amazon.co.uk not have 6 PLEX offers up for -ú49.99? Or amazon.de for 56 Euros?
Not very fair is it?
Having lived in Germany for over 10 years... you just noticed this?
Like I said on a different thread... the privileged of living in the EU. |
Samoth Egnoled
Infinitech
Catastrophic Uprising
24388
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:07:00 -
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Pippgirl wrote:Red Templar wrote:Its amazon thing. Being from europe and using amazon quite often, i encounter this quite often.
Either price can be different, or some items will not be available to you.
This is amazon policy. I very much doubt CCP can do anything about that. You have to raise these kind of questions with Amazon support. Fair enough. I am however sure CCP knew about this BEFORE they selected amazon.
If this IS true, what about the price difference with the Collectors Ed? And why not just put the PLEX price reduction on their own website? |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp
Northern Associates.
206
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:07:00 -
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Samoth Egnoled wrote:Agreed, it should be the same price wherever you are. Being based in Iceland i thought CCP would aknowledge this.  CCP is going monitor the currency exchanges and update? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:12:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination#Third_degree_price_discrimination
Welcome to a market economy.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad
Goonswarm Federation
237
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:18:00 -
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Pippgirl wrote:Red Templar wrote:Its amazon thing. Being from europe and using amazon quite often, i encounter this quite often.
Either price can be different, or some items will not be available to you.
This is amazon policy. I very much doubt CCP can do anything about that. You have to raise these kind of questions with Amazon support. Fair enough. I am however sure CCP knew about this BEFORE they selected amazon.
Even if they did. Amazon is one of the largest shops out there. And having your stuff sold there with recommendations, etc is a good thing for CCP.
Who cares how that shop is handling its regional customers and what promotions is it making. Its not like you, as a customer, suddenly have to pay more, you are only not eligible for this regional promotion.
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
266
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:38:00 -
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Pippgirl wrote:Red Templar wrote:Its amazon thing. Being from europe and using amazon quite often, i encounter this quite often.
Either price can be different, or some items will not be available to you.
This is amazon policy. I very much doubt CCP can do anything about that. You have to raise these kind of questions with Amazon support. Fair enough. I am however sure CCP knew about this BEFORE they selected amazon.
You don't select amazon, you realize using anything else would be short changing yourself... and you play by their rules or you don't plat at all.
When your the biggest outlet available, you make the rules.
Like this game its not about fair or unfair. |
Revman Zim
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
201
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:46:00 -
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That is the benefits of saving Europe from themselves TWICE in a century. Get over it and thank us for not speaking German.
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Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:52:00 -
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And how come in China Plex is only $5 USD? Seriously, CCP need to change their prices for all regions. $5 plex for everyone! |
StarFX
Walrus Protection Agency
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:56:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:US residents have an extremely good offer from a partner reseller that EU and UK and AUS and everyone else can't redeem.
The level of disparity is significant enough that I believe it requires discussion and justification.
If you buy PLEX from CCP and billed in the UK, it would cost you $145. (-ú90) So 6 PELX for $75 is actually stiffing UK players (and other Euros) for very nearly double the price.
But, but, but taxes... right?
Umm.. no. UK VAT at 20% (which is questionable as lots of "electronic services" are not charged VAT - would need a specialist who knows)
$75 amazon 6 PLEX (-ú46)
+ VAT (-ú9.20)
= -ú55.20 or $88.42
So where's the other $56 dollars and change go? Fifty six dollars? That's a lot.
People mostly don't mind when regional variations are small and justifiable (like an extra few bucks in taxes) but when one region is being screwed over with no logical or valid reason, people get angry.
Amazon has international presence - if you're going to partner with them, ensure they provide the offers to your customer base - which is international. Why does amazon.co.uk not have 6 PLEX offers up for -ú49.99? Or amazon.de for 56 Euros?
CCP made great efforts with re-balancing account billing so that geographically diverse regions pay roughly equivalent in local currency for their subs. So there's no excuse for this.
The collectors edition suffers the same thing - being equivalent of $50 more if you live outside the US.
Not very fair is it?
I completely agree with you I made a post on this too mine was sloppy though, It would be different if we paid half the price the US did they would be kicking up a massive fuss, yet becasue its a smal minority we dont get listened too.
All these Intelligent replies eg. **** german crap wtf saved europe twice, what you smoking pal crack? get over yourself |
atpc
Loose Cannons
Nocturnal Legion
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:08:00 -
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If you buy 2 plex from ccp it costs -ú29.99.
If you buy a 60 day GTC from evetimecode.com it costs roughly -ú21 after currency conversion. Been like this for over a year so far.
You're welcome. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1921
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:13:00 -
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Isn't it possible to buy from Amazon US?
Especially as you don't need to care about shipping
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
StarFX
Walrus Protection Agency
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:52:00 -
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Wanted to add on here aswel, so If this is just an amazon thing why is it for US players to buy from EvE acc. management it's only $99 for 6 this equates to -ú61 Ours is -ú85 this is not down to tax.. -ú23.99 is a big difference could nearly purchase 2 more for this price, -ú5-10 and I wouldnt be bothered, Like I stated earlier if it was the other way round the U.S community would rant and rave all day long and probably get listened to aswel. |
Lucretia DeWinter
Star Frontiers
Dirt Nap Squad.
47
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:57:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Isn't it possible to buy from Amazon US?
Especially as you don't need to care about shipping
Nope. You have to link your EVE account to your Amazon account and your payment card and then it tells you you can't. order this outside the US. |
stoicfaux
3156
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:10:00 -
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Two words: Socialism!
Also, bitcoins!
But yes, it would be interesting to understand the markup.
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Sharanelle
Pixel Navigators
11
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:15:00 -
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This is ridiculous! Prices in the US are outrageous, the VAT tax in the EU is gouging those players in VAT countries!
It's like someone set the corp tax rate to 50%, while other corps get the privilege of a 10-20% tax rate!
Eliminate taxes altogether!
Citatic Inc is recruiting! See http://citatic.com/forum for details. |
blue dehazon
Industrial Mining Exploration
20
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:51:00 -
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well if this is true thats bad,but will nott help us,if ennything was to hapen the price in usa will go up and we still pay the same. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
167
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:45:00 -
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Sharanelle wrote:This is ridiculous! Prices in the US are outrageous, the VAT tax in the EU is gouging those players in VAT countries!
It's like someone set the corp tax rate to 50%, while other corps get the privilege of a 10-20% tax rate!
Eliminate taxes altogether!
Europe is an NPC corp, I guess?
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:58:00 -
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FYI, Amazon may be giving CCP some additional consideration to have an Amazon-only sale. They've been doing stuff like that to build out their digital gaming store and compete with existing stores. So it may be less "CCP favoring the US" and more "Amazon only caring about the US".
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Nope. You have to link your EVE account to your Amazon account and your payment card and then it tells you you can't. order this outside the US.
You know 5 seconds of google would tell you what to do. Create a new amazon account with a US address, such as the White House. Link accounts & pay with foreign card. Don't tell AmazonTony. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
76
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:20:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Isn't it possible to buy from Amazon US?
Especially as you don't need to care about shipping
I've bought from Amazon US using my UK account for physical items that were shipped to me. Amazon Japan also ships to the UK, depending on the store/item or something.
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Jose Ronald Palasialdana
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:00:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:US residents have an extremely good offer from a partner reseller that EU and UK and AUS and everyone else can't redeem.
The level of disparity is significant enough that I believe it requires discussion and justification.
If you buy PLEX from CCP and billed in the UK, it would cost you $145. (-ú90) So 6 PELX for $75 is actually stiffing UK players (and other Euros) for very nearly double the price.
But, but, but taxes... right?
Umm.. no. UK VAT at 20% (which is questionable as lots of "electronic services" are not charged VAT - would need a specialist who knows)
$75 amazon 6 PLEX (-ú46)
+ VAT (-ú9.20)
= -ú55.20 or $88.42
So where's the other $56 dollars and change go? Fifty six dollars? That's a lot.
People mostly don't mind when regional variations are small and justifiable (like an extra few bucks in taxes) but when one region is being screwed over with no logical or valid reason, people get angry.
Amazon has international presence - if you're going to partner with them, ensure they provide the offers to your customer base - which is international. Why does amazon.co.uk not have 6 PLEX offers up for -ú49.99? Or amazon.de for 56 Euros?
CCP made great efforts with re-balancing account billing so that geographically diverse regions pay roughly equivalent in local currency for their subs. So there's no excuse for this.
The collectors edition suffers the same thing - being equivalent of $50 more if you live outside the US.
Not very fair is it?
Hey Mang,
I concur...
Jose Ronald
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1082
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:18:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Not very fair is it?
Freedom isn't fair.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
992
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:31:00 -
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Look deeply enough, and you will likely find the incredibly ****** up EU intra-national trade laws to be the culprit of this. I can only imagine how long it took CCP to even figure out a way to make PLEX legal in the first place.
The price you pay for outright socialism, I suppose. As opposed to the states, where we lie to ourselves about being socialists now.
Either way, I feel sorry for my EU brethren, but at the same time I intend to take full, $100 at least advantage of this. No hard feelings. 
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Lucretia DeWinter
Star Frontiers
Dirt Nap Squad.
48
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:50:00 -
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Klyith wrote:FYI, Amazon may be giving CCP some additional consideration to have an Amazon-only sale. They've been doing stuff like that to build out their digital gaming store and compete with existing stores. So it may be less "CCP favoring the US" and more "Amazon only caring about the US". Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Nope. You have to link your EVE account to your Amazon account and your payment card and then it tells you you can't. order this outside the US. You know 5 seconds of google would tell you what to do. Create a new amazon account with a US address, such as the White House. Link accounts & pay with foreign card. Don't tell AmazonTony.
I realise that Amazon is where the trouble lies, but CCP should be looking at providing their whole customer base with good deals. I also know there's all manner of over and under the table deals at work for exclusivity, reciprocal favour agreements and all that.
Still doesn't make it suck less. CCP made thier own mess by continuing to try and wrangle the bag of angry cats that is currency differences. Just use one currency and let us sort out the currency conversions. My bank does it for free, online and instantly, AND at the proper exchange rate so I pay equivalent prices. I don't need somebody helpfully translating $100 into -ú100.
But that's not going to happen when there's a 50% mark up to be made...
Registering a fake US account has potentially serious risks. Amazon will ban you for it, and because your EVE account is linked, you could end up banned from EVE too (as has happened to people when Amazon messed up their payments for EVE stuff)
And using the White House will get some NSA or TSA or official round my house to come and touch up my junk for being a tourist. ;)
The only way I can see of doing it is get a US buddy to redeem them into PLEX and trade them in game? Does this work? Which is still silly and shouldn't have to be done and carries the risk of being ripped off Because Of Eve. |
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