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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:49:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Red Templar wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be.
I have to disagree with you on this. We are paying customers. We have right to ask questions and raise concerns on how things are handled. Community is a large and essential part of Eve. And opinion of player base matters, as was proven many times before. We even Vote for our own representatives (which were ignored totally in this case). So this is not like any other game where players are expected to just shut up. Not even close. They can of course just ignore everyone, and that is their right. But it doesn't mean that everyone should just shut up about things they dont like or find morally wrong. But will have consequences, one way or another. I'm just saying legitimate privacy concerns and security process issues trump suspicions. Revealing details on investigations (whether the investigated party is proven guilty or innocent) is not an acceptable practice, and believe me, you don't want it to be. Revealing details of how and when the investigations are done (outside of your own security team, internal affairs, and upper management) undermines their effectiveness. You know what I'm saying.
And what are the privacy concerns exactly? I personally dont need any specific details or secrets or whatever. What i need is to know, that the party being endorsed by CCP in this way is not pocketing the profits. That they will not get anything personally for this kind of even or giveaway from CCP, except attention, PR and a thank you. And that even if they try to pocket something from these giveaways, CCP will monitor and punish for this.
But CCP is not stating this anywhere, quite opposite actually. Thus it raises a lot of questions, parallels being drawn with T20 incident, etc.
They wanted feedback on how community will react to that king of "community engagement", well there you go. Over the last day there have been plenty of questions asked regarding this, and none of them have been answered yet. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |

Lex Manrider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:02:00 -
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[/quote] You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]
I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all! If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.
As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT? Player driven event should also mean player created prices!
What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guy, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.
p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs. |

Checkbaux
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:04:00 -
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Just Posting this for "told you so" for screenshot sake
Prediction: around one or two years from now expect a "SOMER BLINK: How to Scam CCP" thread detailing how it was set up as a gambling scam that ended up working well, then WILDEST DREAMS when they got CCP endorsed while one dude fills his alts up with trillions of ISK.
i'm calling it now... CCP doing ANYTHING for ANY entity in game is a bad idea, they should stay the **** out of the sandbox and stop giving some kids bigger buckets.
imagine if Eve Investment Bank, how totally successful and legit it was for ages, imagine if EIB had been endorsed and advertised and helped out by CCP?
Well you don't need to imagine it. because thats effectively what could potentially happen here... some dude gives up and pockets trillions of ISK and o7m8's all of eve |

Lex Manrider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:05:00 -
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You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]
I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all! If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.
As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT? Player driven event should also mean player created prices!
What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guys, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.
p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.[/quote]
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Checkbaux
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:07:00 -
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Checkbaux wrote:Just Posting this for "told you so" for screenshot sake
Prediction: around one or two years from now expect a "SOMER BLINK: How to Scam CCP" thread detailing how it was set up as a gambling scam that ended up working well, then WILDEST DREAMS when they got CCP endorsed while one dude fills his alts up with trillions of ISK.
i'm calling it now... CCP doing ANYTHING for ANY entity in game is a bad idea, they should stay the **** out of the sandbox and stop giving some kids bigger buckets.
imagine if Eve Investment Bank, how totally successful and legit it was for ages, imagine if EIB had been endorsed and advertised and helped out by CCP?
Well you don't need to imagine it. because thats effectively what could potentially happen here... some dude gives up and pockets trillions of ISK and o7m8's all of eve
double post day? |

Prince Kobol
941
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:15:00 -
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You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]
I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all! If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.
As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT? Player driven event should also mean player created prices!
What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guy, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.
p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.[/quote]
No need to be all shouty about it... dude take a chill pill |

Prince Kobol
941
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:21:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.
Of course you can, but the issue with Eve is that is it far far too easy. If fact you do not even need to use any kind of payment details to open an account.
Fake email address + fake proxy + Plex = Full Eve Account
It really is that simple |

HardRockLife
War Decs Inc Serious Space Holding Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:40:00 -
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Wait what is this all about? I was out getting a Security+ certificate and I come back to see references to Roman history and complaints about lotteries being used to fund a trip to the city of no taboo |

Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:18:00 -
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-10 for fail whinery |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4627
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:24:00 -
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Why isn't this locked with a link to the expansion announcement topic yet
Seriously, you're gonna get Weaselior dunk you like that There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:46:00 -
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Sirane Elrek wrote:Jove Death wrote:On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well I think at this point, we should.
CCP has already coined Blink as a trustworthy service and the resulting profit is already in Blink's wallet, both in and out of game. It's too late to take any of that back, no matter what CCP's next move is going to be.
The precedent is set. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4632
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:50:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Jove Death wrote:On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well I think at this point, we should. CCP has already coined Blink as a trustworthy service and the resulting profit is already in Blink's wallet, both in and out of game. It's too late to take any of that back, no matter what CCP's next move is going to be. The precedent is set. Next, just do the reverse and remove stuff from an untrustworthy group.
Like us There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4632
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:51:00 -
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TEST Alliance Please Ignore, step up to receive your prize: enough funding for not one, but TWO more gigantic losses to the CFC There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:04:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) I seem to recall a test alt that worked with Somer who cleaned out some hangars on his way out. But surely that will never happen again. |

Berstich
InterBus Central Division
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:31:00 -
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CCP has stated that THEY can trust SOMER. No one else has to or should, but in a business transaction with the guys who run the game SOMER is trustworthy. As for the 'profits' they are being fed back into the Vegas tourny that probbaly wouldnt happen without them.
The only profit gain here is from the winners of the blinks and the winners of the Vegas Tourny. |

Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:56:00 -
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More like the profit (in $ not isk, for both Somer and CCP) from selling GTC's to people stocking up and burning through the free credit it generates on the site, for maximum raffle tickets. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:14:00 -
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FFS, this has nothing to do with whether Somer Blink can be trusted. This is about CCP's ongoing inability to act ethically as a real world business. This gives the appearance of impropriety and taints CCP's relationships with its customers. Do any of you even work in professional positions? This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1547
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:23:00 -
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This -might- have been acceptable if SOMER Blink was a charitable organisation as CCP seems to believe judging by their comments on the matter
However in reality SOMER Blink is not a charitable organisation and CCP is handing them hundreds of billions of ISK by giving them prizes to make ISK with |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1547
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:27:00 -
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Suggestion: If a character makes X amount of ISK per month, CCP gives them more ISK for their honesty |

Arrendis
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
55
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:55:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.
And legal departments to tell them why they need training budgets to prevent the kind of appearance of impropriety that this creates. From a business standpoint, it's not even about 'did you do anything illegal or unethical?' it's about 'did you give any appearance of doing anything illegal or unethical that might damage our reputation with the customer base?' |
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
744
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Posted - 2013.09.28 00:40:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:What makes this Somer guy special? Wasn't Somer Blink one of the sponsors of Eve Las Vegas?
Some Random Guy in Jita Local wrote:I am surprised that Goons would misrepresent facts to complain about a situation in which they are not the sole beneficiary. Truly.
      Bob is the god of Wormholes.
That's all you need to know. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
409
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Posted - 2013.09.28 01:14:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:What makes this Somer guy special? Wasn't Somer Blink one of the sponsors of Eve Las Vegas? Some Random Guy in Jita Local wrote:I am surprised that Goons would misrepresent facts to complain about a situation in which they are not the sole beneficiary. Truly.       Johnny Marzetti wrote:This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent. And day care centers, don't forget the day care centers.
My favorite thing about this post is how you probably thought it was pretty clever when you wrote it and, looking back, you probably still think it's pretty clever now. That's my favorite thing about this post, and my favorite thing about you.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4639
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:01:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent. And legal departments to tell them why they need training budgets to prevent the kind of appearance of impropriety that this creates. From a business standpoint, it's not even about 'did you do anything illegal or unethical?' it's about 'did you give any appearance of doing anything illegal or unethical that might damage our reputation with the customer base?' Poor old t20 must be crying.
He would have not only gotten away with it if it was now, it would be trillions going to a truly good cause, such as a coalition that exists to destroy gsf There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:22:00 -
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I like when goons give away Their supers, and titans, they leave floating in random pos's but hey thats just me  |

Lex Manrider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:32:00 -
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The shady part starts when CCP supports someone who accepts GTC to obtain coins to participate in his events. Exchange of blinks for isks would be perfectly fine, exchange of GTC for blinks and you have the opportunity for RMT right there.
So let me get this straight this Somer guy runs his little penny auction esque game, allows people to pay with GTC something that can be legally purchased for money to obtain his own game currency which he can create in infinite numbers and only would have to convert back into isks if people demand a payout, all the while he would be able to resell those GTC for real life money.
Normally he would need to sell some of those GTC for isks to make sure his isks pile is big enough to allow any rebuy of his gaming coins vs isks.
Now CCP comes along donates him unique ships worth trillions of isks to offer in these penny auctions, which means he does not have to provide an isks backup since CCP gave them to him for free, now since those are unique ships there will be a great influx of people trying to participate guaranteeing lots of isks and GTC to be converted for game coins.
Since the prices are donate what prevents him for keeping the isks selling the GTCs for real life cash and making a fortune out of it? A feat which can be easily done unless CCP keeps a very very close eye on any isks and GTC used to buy blink coins.
So in a nutshell CCP hands one guy several trillion isks and potentially real life profit, for what? Because someone at CCP likes him?
This makes the T20 affair look like child plays. I wonder how after 10 years some people at CCP are still this gullible and clueless.
So they (CCP) said that they think its pretty safe but they can not guarantee any abuse (LOL), well then how about CCP refrains from any action that might result in a massive suspicion of favoritism on top of possible RMT and stay the hell out of endeavors like this.
By that definition Goonswarm and Test should be given free unique ships for the content they provided during the last half a year let alone the numerous press articles about the 4000 people battle. Oh right that can-Št happen since it would be FAVORITISM! |

Hemmo Paskiainen
425
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:54:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
288
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Posted - 2013.09.28 09:16:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
There was an exploit? How many people got banned over it? I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 |

Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
115
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Posted - 2013.09.28 09:20:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
Because a large alliance organising themselves to attack and then defend space containing valuable moons, building stations and erecting towers with suitable defences, and then arranging logistics routes to move and sell the resulting stuffs to the market is the same as a CCP dev spawning incredibly rare items out of thin air?
The last time this happened the CSM was formed.
How about a custom bee shaped ship BPO for Goonswarm? |

Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
445
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Posted - 2013.09.28 13:22:00 -
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nm |

Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1205
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:52:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
We spent most of that generating content. Time for resupply. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth |
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