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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4770
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:53:00 -
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With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like.
Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonwarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decides to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com.
Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme.
Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST.
Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package.
CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's.
Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3602
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:54:00 -
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Be patient, it's just a matter of time.
Also, don't pat yourself on the back so hard, you'll likely leave a bruise.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1130
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:55:00 -
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I would like to chime in and say dev flown ships full of officer mods that die to our gatecamps is also acceptable.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
531
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:59:00 -
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How much dev dick do I have to suck to get my starter corp removed from my employment history? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
413
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:01:00 -
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Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
216
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:02:00 -
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I agree wholeheartedly
the directorate of GBS LOGISTICS AND FIVES SUPPORT [MY 5S] stands in staunch solidarity with this plan or service |
Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
531
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:02:00 -
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"It's not wrong if we publish a devblog about it!" |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:08:00 -
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It's funny because it's true. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1207
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:08:00 -
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INB4 Lock |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
20
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:09:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.
T20 is the only difference nowadays between CFC and BoB... |
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MeestaPenni
Nova Force
314
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:09:00 -
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Can I have my own solar system please? With planets and asteroids loaded with the most rare of minerals and materials? And officer spawns dropping loot from frigates?
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:10:00 -
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And in case anyone has reservations over who in Goonswarm would be trustworthy enough: Solo Drakban
*Runs a fansite that supports thousands of players *An integral part of Eve's longest-running Secret Santa program *Trusted every year with up to $10,000 in real money, so he won't be tempted by a piddling trillion isk worth of ships |
Lee Saisima
Caldari Mining and Logistics Academy
61
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:11:00 -
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Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:12:00 -
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Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. |
Thomas Hurt
Yan Jung Clique
133
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:14:00 -
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NOT bumping |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4786
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:14:00 -
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Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds.
What more would we need? |
MeLoveVeldLongTime
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:16:00 -
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Yes i would like Free Veld too pls ccp pls |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1205
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:17:00 -
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Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.
You're suggesting an institutional/organizational pissing contest between goonswarm and somer? You're going to be disappointed at the outcome.
Goonswarm puts some medium-sized businesses to shame.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1977
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:17:00 -
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OP is captain of my heart from now on. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:18:00 -
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give us the ships, we need them ccp Follow me on twitter |
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Kallaystra
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:18:00 -
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No one knows how better to redistribute wealth than goonfleetdotcom's great space-communist overlords. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
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Klyith wrote:And in case anyone has reservations over who in Goonswarm would be trustworthy enough: Solo Drakban
*Runs a fansite that supports thousands of players *An integral part of Eve's longest-running Secret Santa program *Trusted every year with up to $10,000 in real money donations, so he won't be tempted by a piddling trillion isk worth of ships *Has excellent taste in fine Scotch
As a follow up to this, Goons are also the most philanthropic organisation in Eve. Every new Goon who joins is given hundreds of million of isk just for being able to join a fleet. They're then shown how to make vastly more money than they could in high sec and are able to take part in all aspects of the game, unlike those poor unenlightened players stuck in high sec or grubbing around for the scraps in low sec.
Goons create content, drive awareness of the game and assist new players. Isn't that more worthy than promoting gambling addiction? |
Pittsburgh2989
Shadow State Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
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Agreed...since you set the precedence of giving them to them...why not to at least the alliance that is making world wide news for you....
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L4ST
Helios Alliance Tactical Narcotics Team
25
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
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approving |
Ashrik Tyr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
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What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Support Goonswarm |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
279
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
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I fully support this product and/or service! I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 |
DaveTheGreat
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:19:00 -
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CCP Can i have a T2 BPO, i will be happy with a Hulk BPO. I promise i will give all of the profits from it to new bros |
Daktar Jaxs
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:20:00 -
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just gives us your ******* money now |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
674
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:21:00 -
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Observe a media counter action being launched.
Trying to put CCP in good light by showing an even more evil organisation.
Nice try, but everyone knows that CCP is controlled by Grroons anyway ;)
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
132
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:22:00 -
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Good point OP , and be honest you guys deserved it by now. +1 The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
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Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:22:00 -
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While I've only had a small hand in the goings on of goonfleetdottecom, i feel based on your precedent of giving worthless entities free crap, you should give me a stilleto bpo. I drive content and am far more philanthropic than somer. |
Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:22:00 -
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Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.
1. Get trillions worth of free ships from CCP 2. Sell those ships to the Eve community.
It's the same business plan that Somer has. |
Mac Zehn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:23:00 -
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CCP please give me a Ishukone Scorpion so i can lose it in a hilarious Guristas ratting accident |
Arrendis
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
50
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:24:00 -
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It's totally true! I used to PVP exclusively in a 1974 Pinto, but then GOONSWARMGäó showed me the way!
Now I fly tricked out faction-fit AMC Gremlins! |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:24:00 -
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we need this Follow me on twitter |
Jon Lucien
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:24:00 -
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It should be pointed out that, by giving Goonswarm trillions of isk worth of ships to sell to the general public, CCP will be distributing that money to more people, since our alliance unabashedly embraces the true joys of socialism. This handout will enrich the many, as opposed to the obvious handout being given to SOMER that will sit in the pockets of the few. |
Vladimir Logoffski
Elitist Oops
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:24:00 -
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Where is the love for people who don't want to throw isk to a lottery corp or join the terrible goonies? |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:25:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:What more would we need? A method to make it _appear_ as if the miserable unfortunates had some chance of getting the ships themselves for free.
Maybe instead of selling the ships directly, we can turn all of Delve into a giant scavenger hunt, with hidden clues to the location of the valuable ships. Anyone can get in for free of course, *if* they can make it past the entire CFC deployed in 24/7 gatecamps and roaming gank squads. Or they can pay 500 million for each 5 minutes of blue standings. It's an EVENT! |
Thuneral D'mon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:27:00 -
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I wanted to support this endeavor, but then I realized I would have to login to post this. :(
CCP U giev ships, yes? |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
260
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:28:00 -
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Klyith wrote:Weaselior wrote:What more would we need? A method to make it _appear_ as if the miserable unfortunates had some chance of getting the ships themselves for free. Maybe instead of selling the ships directly, we can turn all of Delve into a giant scavenger hunt, with hidden clues to the location of the valuable ships. Anyone can get in for free of course, *if* they can make it past the entire CFC deployed in 24/7 gatecamps and roaming gank squads. Or they can pay 500 million for each 5 minutes of blue standings. It's an EVENT! Perfect - all profit after reasonable expenses go to Solo's scotch fund so you know it for a good cause. |
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Weynard
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:29:00 -
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I could not agree more. The Goons have brought much more to EVE than SOMER ever could. SOMER doesn't bring new players to the table, they just entertain existing ones. Goonswarm deserves these tokens of blatant arbitrary favoritism as much as SOMER, if not more!
On a more serious note- if Weaselior is unsucessful with this thorough and logical request, whichever CCP employee thought this was a good idea deserves a t20-like whipping. |
Ashlore
Svea Rike Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:30:00 -
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If CCP wants to seed those ships via lottery, they could make one themself! When all the old stuff with devs/t2BPO was going on it was unfair. So what does make this OK? Seems equaly unfair as the old T2BPO seeding was. |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:30:00 -
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GOONFLEET DOTTE COMMS 2013 SCAVENGER HUNT
make this a thing ccp, tia |
Etien Aldragoran
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:30:00 -
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I am outraged that goonswarm was not chosen for free isk. Especially after our long history of CCP siding with our enemies when it comes to free t2 bpos and pos warfare mechanics. When is it going to be our turn to be CCP's favorite? |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
250
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:32:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:I agree wholeheartedly
the directorate of GBS LOGISTICS AND FIVES SUPPORT [MY 5S] stands in staunch solidarity with this plan or service
As with that of the directorate of Amokdotte. |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:32:00 -
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Ashlore wrote:Seems equaly unfair as the old T2BPO seeding was. This is actually totally worse, because they are giving them to ONE entity, and hoping that ONE entity can be trusted to hand out these items in a fair manner. |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:33:00 -
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Travis Wells wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:I agree wholeheartedly
the directorate of GBS LOGISTICS AND FIVES SUPPORT [MY 5S] stands in staunch solidarity with this plan or service As with that of the directorate of Amokdotte. Thunderwaffe directorate stands strong with our Amzerokdotte brosephs |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3269
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:33:00 -
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Dod Kalm wrote:Ashlore wrote:Seems equaly unfair as the old T2BPO seeding was. This is actually totally worse, because they are giving them to ONE entity, and hoping that ONE entity can be trusted to hand out these items in a fair manner. I volunteer. |
Andrea Solaris
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:34:00 -
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This could just be done with Research Points like the t2 bpo lottery. In fact, why dont we just do that? I've got however many years of RP built up from when the lottery ended, so that should be the totally fair method that decides we get free isk. |
William Darkk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:34:00 -
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Feel free to give some rare ships to TEST too (Guardian Vexor Killmail please). |
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Soulpirate
Interstellar Booty Hunters
293
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:35:00 -
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Wow Goons get really butthurt when they are not the centre of attention. |
Cane Tar
Helios Alliance Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:36:00 -
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sommer is fraud, sommer is laundering botting money, sommer creates gambling addiction AND allowing to play out of the normal browser turns people AWAY from logging in to EVE!
Ban those casinos, delete t2 bpos from the game |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:38:00 -
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Dod Kalm wrote:Ashlore wrote:Seems equaly unfair as the old T2BPO seeding was. This is actually totally worse, because they are giving them to ONE entity, and hoping that ONE entity can be trusted to hand out sell these items in a fair manner. FYP |
Pyth2
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:38:00 -
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Perhaps while you're handing out free stuff to people you like you could hand us the keys to Jove space or something. We can put renters there.
Seriously CCP, it's cool, we never mind when you hand trillions of isk in advantage to a group in a cut throat pvp based game. Seems legit. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
304
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:40:00 -
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I am just really sickened by the fact that one of Somer Blink's alts will get the ship.
Somer Blink is such a scam in of itself. And it really surprises me that CCP fell for the scam.
Oh well, I thought the Goons had pulled off some massive scams in the past.
You are the TOP DOG now on scams, Somer Blink.
I wonder if CCP can petition CCP on a scam after it is revealed to be a scam.? R.I.P. Vile Rat |
School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:41:00 -
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If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:42:00 -
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Dod Kalm wrote:Ashlore wrote:Seems equaly unfair as the old T2BPO seeding was. This is actually totally worse, because they are giving them to ONE entity, and hoping that ONE entity can be trusted to hand out these items in a fair manner. Plus to get a T2 BPO you had to grind up some standings, wait while you collected a bunch of research points then log in EVERY DAY to check your evemail just hoping against hope today is the day. Compared to just accepting a contract because a dev likes you that's all mega effort. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:42:00 -
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Ashlore wrote:If CCP wants to seed those ships via lottery, they could make one themself! When all the old stuff with devs/t2BPO was going on it was unfair. So what does make this OK? Seems equaly unfair as the old T2BPO seeding was.
While I entirely agree that CCP is showing blatant favouritism by giving their items to a corporation, It is patently obvious that if they're going to show favouritism to a corporation they should do so by a better decision making process than that shown here.
Let's compare the two
SomerBlink Positives Gives money to already rich alliances as a marketing tool.
Negatives Promotes gambling, an addictive activity that destroys families and lives. Distracts hundreds or thousands of players from in game content (albeit if you're distracted by somer blink when MINILUV blow up your freighter or mining ship then that's actually a positive so keep doing that).
GoonSwarm Positives Creates content on a daily basis Brings new players to the game Gives those players wealth and the tools to support themselves Drives awareness of the game in mainstream and gaming media Most successful Alliance in Eve Part of the most successful coalition in Eve
Negatives Grr Goons
If for nothing else than the fact that Goonswarm do not promote addiction then we're clearly a more worthy recipient of CCP's largesse but when you take into account all of the positives as well, it's an overwhelming comparison.
Goonswarm: The obvious and ethical choice to receive trillions of isk from CCP. |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:43:00 -
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School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1145
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:44:00 -
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Pyth2 wrote:Perhaps while you're handing out free stuff to people you like you could hand us the keys to Jove space or something. We can put renters there.
Seriously CCP, it's cool, we never mind when you hand trillions of isk in advantage to a group in a cut throat pvp based game. Seems legit.
Seconding this. Primo rentals space given by CCP is hot. Lets do this. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
389
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:46:00 -
[61] - Quote
Posting for justice Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
256
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:48:00 -
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Whatever anyone may think of them, there's no denying that the Goons have helped to build this game into what it is today. Their organizational management skills are second to none, their content is geared for all regions and playstyles, and they are, without a doubt, the best foil/antagonist/enemy/nemesis to pit oneself against.
So, if phat lootz are being distributed to the playerbase, it's only fitting they should get a piece of the pie. Provided, of course, that they support my bid to get a Special Edition Black Frog Rhea (best stats from all 4 JFs, with black skin and red lights) for founding Black Frog. Bokononist
-á |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Pyth2 wrote:Perhaps while you're handing out free stuff to people you like you could hand us the keys to Jove space or something. We can put renters there.
Seriously CCP, it's cool, we never mind when you hand trillions of isk in advantage to a group in a cut throat pvp based game. Seems legit. Seconding this. Primo rentals space given by CCP is hot. Lets do this. Only place in the north we don't own, might as well just give it to us. |
Dalziel Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:48:00 -
[64] - Quote
I fully support CCP giving goonies free stuff. If they did it for SOMER they should do it for Goonswarm. |
i hatechosingnames
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:50:00 -
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Dod Kalm wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue
He needs a Megathron Baltec Issue. (and maybe a BPO for alliance use)
Fitting CPU 1000 tf Powergrid 20000 MW Calibration 400 Low slots 8 Med slots 8 High slots 8 Turret hardpoints 8
Structure Structure hit points 9000 Capacity 675 m3 Drone Capacity 125 m3 Drone bandwidth 125 Mbit/s Mass 98400000 kg Volume 486000 m3 (50000 m3 Packaged) Inertia Multiplier 0.114+ù EM Damage Resistance 0% Explosive Damage Resistance 0% Kinetic Damage Resistance 0% Thermal Damage Resistance 0%
Armor Armor hit points 9000 Armor EM Damage Resistance 80% Armor Explosive Damage Resistance 70% Armor Kinetic Damage Resistance 75% Armor Thermal Damage Resistance 75%
Shield Shield hit points 9000 Shield recharge time 25 s Shield EM Damage Resistance 50% Shield Explosive Damage Resistance 80% Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance 75% Shield Thermal Damage Resistance 70%
Capacitor Capacity 9000 GJ Recharge time 150 s
Targeting Maximum targeting range 100 km Maximum locked targets 10 Scan resolution 95 mm Magnetometric sensor strength 21 points
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4861
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:51:00 -
[66] - Quote
Zaxix wrote:Whatever anyone may think of them, there's no denying that the Goons have helped to build this game into what it is today. Their organizational management skills are second to none, their content is geared for all regions and playstyles, and they are, without a doubt, the best foil/antagonist/enemy/nemesis to pit oneself against.
So, if phat lootz are being distributed to the playerbase, it's only fitting they should get a piece of the pie. Provided, of course, that they support my bid to get a Special Edition Black Frog Rhea (best stats from all 4 JFs, with black skin and red lights) for founding Black Frog. deal |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:51:00 -
[67] - Quote
i hatechosingnames wrote:Dod Kalm wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue He needs a Megathron Baltec Issue. (and maybe a BPO for alliance use) ~snip~ This is something i could get behind.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3270
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
With that stats I want a Baltech-thorn too. |
Darkin Ranova
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Given the murky nature of U.S. online gambling laws I am hesitant to use SOMMER's services as I buy a large portion of my ISK through PLEX purchases and could run afoul of the law. Please send me a complete sampling of the ships and/or BPOs I'll be missing out on. You know, for engaging with the community over the years. |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:55:00 -
[70] - Quote
Darkin Ranova wrote:Given the murky nature of U.S. online gambling laws I am hesitant to use SOMMER's services as I buy a large portion of my ISK through PLEX purchases and could run afoul of the law. Please send me a complete sampling of the ships and/or BPOs I'll be missing out on. You know, for engaging with the community over the years. What is the IRS' stance on gambling gains in plex, i too would like to know before going on an endeavor that might make me run afoul of the one organization more bureaucratic and assanine than my dumb spaceguild. |
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Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:56:00 -
[71] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote: If for nothing else than the fact that Goonswarm do not promote addiction
Well, I'm not so sure about that... I'm pretty sure whatever it is we give our FCs to lead siegefleets for 48 continuous hours might be addictive. |
Matches 42
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:56:00 -
[72] - Quote
In before the thread lock!
X > This is where we get our free Guardian-Vexors, right? I'll take a couple I guess Im just gonna put the tip in, just for a moment, just to see how it feels....-á |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
228
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
man, you lose your two CCP devs and immediately the free **** goes to somebody else |
mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
152
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:58:00 -
[74] - Quote
Bronco Platz wrote:Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys. T20 is the only difference nowadays between CFC and BoB...
hahaha. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:58:00 -
[75] - Quote
I Support this topic. They add content to the game where others only add supercapital spam and pyramid schemes. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
330
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 16:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
With all due regard to the esteemed representative from Goonswarm Federation, I would like to suggest that the New Order is a far better organization to be blessed by CCP largess. We are premier content creators in hisec where all new players begin their experience. As a miner education outreach program we touch the lives of many new players, encouraging them to seek excitement in New Eden instead of unsubbing after two months of mining while leaving forum msgs of "meh, eve is boring."
You don't have to worry about celebrated ships of the past being introduced and tarnishing their legend. Contract those ships to James 315 and I guarantee we'll give you a hisec killmail with them on the first **** fit retrivever we find. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
MeLoveVeldLongTime
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:02:00 -
[77] - Quote
It boggles the mind that CCP is going to officially endorse a Known Scamming Website.
And not only just with publicity but also by spawning in more items to use in their scams!! |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1146
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
MeLoveVeldLongTime wrote:It boggles the mind that CCP is going to officially endorse a Known Scamming Website.And not only just with publicity but also by spawning in more items to use in their scams!!
Quoting this as it gets directly to the crux of the matter. Not only is CCP saying they won't ensure it is not a scam. It is highly likely there is some form of scamming going on in the first place. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
238
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:04:00 -
[79] - Quote
My hangars are open to receive rain of free ships from CCP.
Keep it coming! For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Mad Madness
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Posting for justice
+1 |
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Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:09:00 -
[81] - Quote
Aryth wrote:MeLoveVeldLongTime wrote:It boggles the mind that CCP is going to officially endorse a Known Scamming Website.And not only just with publicity but also by spawning in more items to use in their scams!! Quoting this as it gets directly to the crux of the matter. Not only is CCP saying they won't ensure it is not a scam. It is highly likely there is some form of scamming going on in the first place. Which brings me to my next point, Is a member of ccp's staff involved with SOMER blink and its subsidiaries? |
Wasse
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:10:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP simply never learns, do they.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:12:00 -
[83] - Quote
i hatechosingnames wrote:Dod Kalm wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue He needs a Megathron Baltec Issue. (and maybe a BPO for alliance use) You forgot it needs to be able to fit a CovOps cloak, bomb launcher and have a jump drive. |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
When did T20 get hired again? I would have at least expected a Dev Blog about that. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future. |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
397
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
Just wanted to point out that I'm mentioned in the OP as part of the Faction Five. bring back images |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
397
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:15:00 -
[86] - Quote
Dod Kalm wrote:GOONFLEET DOTTE COMMS 2013 SCAVENGER HUNT
make this a thing ccp, tia
* all prizes are actually scavengers
J/k errybody gets fashion fit fedora tissue megathrones |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:With all due regard to the esteemed representative from Goonswarm Federation, I would like to suggest that the New Order is a far better organization to be blessed by CCP largess. We are premier content creators in hisec where all new players begin their experience. As a miner education outreach program we touch the lives of many new players, encouraging them to seek excitement in New Eden instead of unsubbing after two months of mining while leaving forum msgs of "meh, eve is boring."
You don't have to worry about celebrated ships of the past being introduced and tarnishing their legend. Contract those ships to James 315 and I guarantee we'll give you a hisec killmail with them on the first **** fit retrivever we find. I think you meant to say "at the keyboard gameplay" education program. A New Order member recently reminded my alt not to autopilot a shuttle through high sec with excessive implants. |
Johho Bulon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:25:00 -
[88] - Quote
Posting in support of a marvellous GoonWaffe initiative.
CCP give us the items, we will make sure they used appropriately, thanks in advance. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
335
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:26:00 -
[89] - Quote
Vald Tegor wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:With all due regard to the esteemed representative from Goonswarm Federation, I would like to suggest that the New Order is a far better organization to be blessed by CCP largess. We are premier content creators in hisec where all new players begin their experience. As a miner education outreach program we touch the lives of many new players, encouraging them to seek excitement in New Eden instead of unsubbing after two months of mining while leaving forum msgs of "meh, eve is boring."
You don't have to worry about celebrated ships of the past being introduced and tarnishing their legend. Contract those ships to James 315 and I guarantee we'll give you a hisec killmail with them on the first **** fit retrivever we find. I think you meant to say "at the keyboard gameplay" education program. A New Order member recently reminded my alt not to autopilot a shuttle through high sec with excessive implants.
D400 is a terrible person. I'm just glad he's our terrible person. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:27:00 -
[90] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:With all due regard to the esteemed representative from Goonswarm Federation, I would like to suggest that the New Order is a far better organization to be blessed by CCP largess. We are premier content creators in hisec where all new players begin their experience. As a miner education outreach program we touch the lives of many new players, encouraging them to seek excitement in New Eden instead of unsubbing after two months of mining while leaving forum msgs of "meh, eve is boring."
You don't have to worry about celebrated ships of the past being introduced and tarnishing their legend. Contract those ships to James 315 and I guarantee we'll give you a hisec killmail with them on the first **** fit retrivever we find. I think you meant to say "at the keyboard gameplay" education program. A New Order member recently reminded my alt not to autopilot a shuttle through high sec with excessive implants. D400 is a terrible person. I'm just glad he's our terrible person. Dont worry, I'm known to do my share of re-education as well |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1520
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:31:00 -
[91] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds. What more would we need?
I'm pretty sure you just outlined Somer Blinks business plan with some minor oversights.
1) Make isk lottery for ships. 2) RMT isk for cash. 3) Kickbacks to key CCP personnel. 4) Get free ships because you're really nice guys. 5) ??? 6) Profit.
Don't ban me, bro! |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
587
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:34:00 -
[92] - Quote
Go shoot the monument in Jita if you're truly upset about this Goons. There's enough of you to lock it down and cause lag. Or better yet... why don't you all unsubscribe en mass as a form of protest? CCP are sure to notice. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:40:00 -
[93] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:3) Kickbacks to key CCP personnel. well we had our own key CCP personnel but they left and now other people get to reap the spoils :( |
Eggs Ackley
17
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:42:00 -
[94] - Quote
So this is what folks get upset about? Video game stuff? Cool. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:42:00 -
[95] - Quote
not that I'm saying we ever got something out of having a couple goons hired by CCP of course |
Dod Kalm
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:43:00 -
[96] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:3) Kickbacks to key CCP personnel. well we had our own key CCP personnel but they left and now other people get to reap the spoils :( What you mean Darious "Goofcker" Johnson? |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:44:00 -
[97] - Quote
Eggs Ackley wrote:So this is what folks get upset about? Video game stuff? Cool. well I also get angry about other things but I thought this was a forum about a video game, not a political discussion board |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:46:00 -
[98] - Quote
C'mon CCP. You can tell us. T20 was renamed to U21 and is now in control of handing out new crap to the new favorite. Right? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
177
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:46:00 -
[99] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds. What more would we need?
Idea for ya, CCP gives you stuff, you pack VFK station with said stuff. If your home station is conquered you contract said items over to whomever does this? |
Tallian Saotome
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1002
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:47:00 -
[100] - Quote
I seriously can't believe CCP is handing out freebies to a group like SOMER.Blink. They are promoting a disease that destroys thousands of lives every year, and the very nature of the gambling business pretty much guarantees there is corruption at the highest levels.
For shame, CCP, why are you trying to destroy peoples real lives? Gambling addiction is a very real, and very serious problem, and should not be endorsed this way. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:50:00 -
[101] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Idea for ya, CCP gives you stuff, you pack VFK station with said stuff. If your home station is conquered you contract said items over to whomever does this? come on you don't need any incentive to assault VFK beyond "grr goons" |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
177
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:50:00 -
[102] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:I seriously can't believe CCP is handing out freebies to a group like SOMER.Blink. They are promoting a disease that destroys thousands of lives every year, and the very nature of the gambling business pretty much guarantees there is corruption at the highest levels.
For shame, CCP, why are you trying to destroy peoples real lives? Gambling addiction is a very real, and very serious problem, and should not be endorsed this way.
[Real World Currency] --> [PLEX] --> [ISK] --> [Somer.Blink]
If this was to happen to excess at a chance to win pixels then I could follow your logic. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
3
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
Eggs Ackley wrote:So this is what folks get upset about? Video game stuff? Cool. I know right? People getting upset over a video game they play for entertainment.
It's not a serious activity, like watching a Soccer match. There you have to break into the stadium the night before and duct tape an axe under your seat. Then you can really show the visiting fans how much better the home team is. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2084
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:53:00 -
[104] - Quote
I like it when CCP hands out hundreds of billions of isk to player organisations which ultimately operate for their own profit and goals.
It's really fair and unbiased.
I mean after all, SOMER deserve special treatment - the other organisations that do similar things to somer? They don't deserve free handouts that promote their for-profit operations because well they're not somer. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 17:58:00 -
[105] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:
[Real World Currency] --> [PLEX] --> [ISK] --> [Somer.Blink]
If this was to happen to excess at a chance to win pixels then I could follow your logic.
Actually the flow goes:
[Real World Currency] --> [GTCs] + [Real World Currency for Somer] --> Plex --> [ISK] --> [Somer] |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
547
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:00:00 -
[106] - Quote
Weaselior wrote: Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner.
True, but GS has also done more to LOWER EVE's reputation and probably caused more players to quit than any other CCP "partner". "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2095
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:03:00 -
[107] - Quote
I actually agree with Goonswarm, and I hate goons!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I want some free stuff too, CCP. A few billion would be fine by me. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Orion Moonstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:03:00 -
[108] - Quote
As one of our logistics directors, I can firmly state that any donations CCP wishes to make to the alliance will be put to good use in providing our members with more station eggs to lose. |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:04:00 -
[109] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:Weaselior wrote: Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. True, but GS has also done more to LOWER EVE's reputation and probably caused more players to quit than any other CCP "partner". Only the ones who can't adapt and move on are the ones that quit. Those are the ones any game community can be without. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2088
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:04:00 -
[110] - Quote
CCP, my corporation operates with its own profits and interests in mind
It would be really cool if you did something that extremely boosted my corporations activities and goals
because you're doing it for somer |
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2095
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:05:00 -
[111] - Quote
I'm going to laugh if SOMER takes all the stuff and reveals they've been a scam this whole time. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
78
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:06:00 -
[112] - Quote
Agreed.
CCP Idiot #1: "Hey let's reward these ******* THIEVES over at BLINK by giving them trillions of ISK worth of goodies so they can further fleece our players!"
CCP Idiot #2: "OH THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, IDIOT #1!"
Somewhere in CCP HQ, a conversation like this really happened. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
4
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'm going to laugh if SOMER takes all the stuff and reveals they've been a scam this whole time. Implying they won't embezzle it without revealing anything to the general public, or that it's not a scam all along. |
Andrea Okazon
Alexylva Paradox
148
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:12:00 -
[114] - Quote
I'm not big on goons, and yet I find the OP's logic entirely ironclad and compelling. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2090
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'm going to laugh if SOMER takes all the stuff and reveals they've been a scam this whole time.
The thing is, SOMER gain more if they don't do the obvious and just run off with it.
CCP give SOMER a shiny worth 10 isk
Twenty people all put in 1 isk for the chance to win
they legitimately and fairly give it away to whomever won
They lose the 10 isk shiny, but have 20 x 1 isk from each player
so they still profit.
That's how these things work. CCP spawning in ridiculously huge rewards, rather than the organisation having to initially work to be able to offer those rewards just makes it incredibly unfair
Tiny isk amounts used for example purposes and to save myself having to press the 0 key too many times. |
jackncoke
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
53
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:14:00 -
[116] - Quote
As a member of CFC I fully suport this idea ! |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
121
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:14:00 -
[117] - Quote
Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
231
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:15:00 -
[118] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote: They lose the 10 isk shiny, but have 20 x 1 isk from each player
so they still profit.
or they could just give the 10 isk shiny to an alt or a "good friend" and have both the shiny and the 20 isk |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
238
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:15:00 -
[119] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:I'm going to laugh if SOMER takes all the stuff and reveals they've been a scam this whole time. Why should they reveal if its a scam? They can just continue milking ISK from regular players and wait for more goodies from CCP. Its not like anyone is going to check and audit them. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:16:00 -
[120] - Quote
Xtreem wrote:Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it. True. It seems SOMER have pissed a lot more people off than I thought. |
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Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:18:00 -
[121] - Quote
Thalen Draganos wrote:Xtreem wrote:Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it. True. It seems SOMER have pissed a lot more people off than I thought.
Come to think of it, I don't think SOMER has anything ingame that can be attacked and/or blown up. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2091
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:18:00 -
[122] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote: They lose the 10 isk shiny, but have 20 x 1 isk from each player
so they still profit.
or they could just give the 10 isk shiny to an alt or a "good friend" and have both the shiny and the 20 isk
Of course, if you can have your cake and eat it too then who wouldn't.
But even in an absolute best case scenario, in which somer are altruistic saintly people, they still benefit extremely unfairly. |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
122
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:21:00 -
[123] - Quote
to be fair I don't blame somer (although if they turned round and refused the ships would be pretty damned noble of them) I blame CCP for even thinking this is half a good idea..
If CCP convoes me and offered me a half a trillion isks worth of stuff, I would find it hard to say no also! |
i hatechosingnames
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:22:00 -
[124] - Quote
Vald Tegor wrote:i hatechosingnames wrote:Dod Kalm wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue He needs a Megathron Baltec Issue. (and maybe a BPO for alliance use) You forgot it needs to be able to fit a CovOps cloak, bomb launcher and have a jump drive.
What was I thinking?
2 Turret slots - 400% bonus to Large Hybrid damage Can fit covert ops cloak Interdiction sphere launcher Bomb Launcher Aurora Ominae 6.5 ly jump drive range.
Anything else you think this will need for 'balance'? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
397
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 18:25:00 -
[125] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Weaselior wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds. What more would we need? Idea for ya, CCP gives you stuff, you pack VFK station with said stuff. If your home station is conquered you contract said items over to whomever does this?
we hereby surrender to groon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16657
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:27:00 -
[126] - Quote
Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:28:00 -
[127] - Quote
Barbie D0ll wrote:Thalen Draganos wrote:Xtreem wrote:Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it. True. It seems SOMER have pissed a lot more people off than I thought. Come to think of it, I don't think SOMER has anything ingame that can be attacked and/or blown up. When you have a big win they deliver it on request to other trade hubs/stations. So there's something out in space that belongs to them, if you manage to track it down. You could also go to low sec and harass the winners who take capital winnings in ship form, but not the organization itself.
Realistically, the vast majority of the stuff never leaves Jita 4-4 or just gets paid out as isk/converted to credit on the site to start with. Many of the prizes pay out more ISK than Jita sell orders for the, item just to save them the legwork of item trades. You also get a bonus for converting to credit instead of taking ISK, so they don't have to actually do any work at all. You send the corp the ISK, API makes it show up on the web site, then you click some buttons until you're out of credit. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:33:00 -
[128] - Quote
i hatechosingnames wrote: What was I thinking?
2 Turret slots - 400% bonus to Large Hybrid damage Can fit covert ops cloak Interdiction sphere launcher Bomb Launcher Aurora Ominae 6.5 ly jump drive range.
Anything else you think this will need for 'balance'?
I think you missed the entire point of a Megathron Baltec Issue
baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote: You're just bitter you can't fit a bomb launcher on your Mega.
Its one of my three big issues in life. I hesitate to ask, but what are the other two? No Jump drive ( cannot take part in capital fleets ) No cov ops cloak ( cannot take part in black ops fleets )
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Katie Corb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:36:00 -
[129] - Quote
Hi. I'm Katie Corb
I am a very SIMPLE person.
I would like a ARCHON-CLASS CARRIER VESSEL OF THE AMARR EMPIRE for free please.
That is all, unless you would like to finish my carrier pilot training as well.
Thank you. :darkelf: |
Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
542
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:41:00 -
[130] - Quote
Katie Corb wrote:Hi. I'm Katie Corb
I am a very SIMPLE person.
I would like a ARCHON-CLASS CARRIER VESSEL OF THE AMARR EMPIRE for free please.
That is all, unless you would like to finish my carrier pilot training as well.
Thank you.
r00d |
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Mirkali Maricadie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:42:00 -
[131] - Quote
Actually... as much as I would do some tongue-in-cheek post concerning giving alliances free ships... I feel I might as well throw in an honest post.
As someone who was sponsored into Goonswarm before playing EVE Online; I can confirm that their treatment of newbies has kept me as a paying subscriber (As I tend to not have much time to rat currently). They take the time to take newbies in cold with little to no experience with the game, give them basic training beyond the game's tutorial, and then throw them into real fights so that they can then immediately learn from. On top of various social programs, the members are rather generous and give hundreds of millions of ISK to newbies to get them started (I received over 1.2 billion ISK of donations/free stuff not including subsidies as a newbie in my first 2 months), and on top of that give them the knowledge necessary to make the most ISK with the least effort, so that they don't get burnt out on EVE's imperfect methods of keeping one in the money.
And it's not only that they have programs or friendliness towards newbees, it's that they design everything around newbies. When we went to fight the Fountain War, the newbies were given a very important role in the war as Ewar and Logi cruisers. And anyone in that war could tell you they were key to victory in most fights (It was also a blast to fly those ships in the war). Most of the Special Interest Groups that keep goons busy between wars specifically design their doctrines to incorporate newbies into them, beyond just flying tackling frigates. This all really goes back to Goonswarm's history with Rifters.
While it is strategically sound to utilize new players as much as possible, it also frankly works in CCPs favor, as this game is atrocious to pick up and try to learn, and Goonswarm really helps you scale that damned cliff until the game finally gets its hooks into you. And that's how you retain subscribers.
So, quite frankly... CCP: You have limited resources, and you have to decide where you put them. If you've decided that CCP/Player Organization partnerships are the way to go to promote the game, dumping valuable ships and other ISK-worthy goods into them to distribute... Goonswarm is actually your best choice. And if you entrust it specifically to Solo Drakban, he is literally himmler your guy, as he has honestly managed thousands of dollars in donations to help keep our services running, and he is a paragon on the front of information privacy when he designs systems.
Since CCP has this new policy, they should really give out prizes for the next time we do our NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It) event, which all were invited, and we all had fun shooting eachother in Vile Rat's honor. I know the squad I was with, we took down two of our own carriers, and one guy had a 4.5 Billion ISK lossmail. Giving out a Guardian Vexor or something to the person with the most expensive killmail would have been a good gesture. |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
629
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:43:00 -
[132] - Quote
dis whole thread is dildos |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2095
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:50:00 -
[133] - Quote
it'd be interesting if somer blink refused these ships |
Spurty
971
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:52:00 -
[134] - Quote
Hey goonies:
1) make your own content (your version of blink) 2) war dec blink 3) content I suppose .. But not really
As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".
Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh
Now let's see who get the prizes ...
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:03:00 -
[135] - Quote
While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
406
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:09:00 -
[136] - Quote
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin.
I dont think you understand the value of those ships.
It is open season no matter who undocks them, Golden Magnates would likely auction for over 100bn, people would probably suicide gank that even if they were in a pirate BS.
edit: I agree that actual content creators are more worthy of receiving them though. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:12:00 -
[137] - Quote
Goonswarm provided way more entertainment and content than Somber Blink ever did. I'm pretty sure Goonswarm has earned CCP a lot of subs, Goon accounts and non-goon accounts.
I might dare saying that without Goonswarm, EVE would be more dead than it is right now.
(This entire event is awful. CCP decide to give Somer Blink items that'll promote Somer Blink. CCP shouldn't help anyone in this sandbox. Secretly spawning BPOs or officially giving them - what's the difference?) |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
369
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:12:00 -
[138] - Quote
OP.....***** please |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:15:00 -
[139] - Quote
Spurty wrote:Hey goonies:
1) make your own content (your version of blink) 2) war dec blink 3) content I suppose .. But not really
As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".
Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh
Now let's see who get the prizes ...
Hey Mr GRR GOONS
Do you understand the concept of ship replacement programs funded at an alliance level?
You see, goons go out and get blown up by pubbies. The alliance then pays to replace that ship, so the goon can fit a new ship and go get blown up by another pubbie instead of wasting time ratting.
That is how content is generated. From the guy doing to shooting, to the one who built the ships and mods, mined the minerals, ran the reactions, researched the blueprints, along with the market trades and transportation of goods involved. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3124
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:25:00 -
[140] - Quote
Might aswell support this, considering what's happening at the moment.
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx can be blue now? :PP -áGÖÑ-á
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Asher Elias
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:32:00 -
[141] - Quote
Mirkali Maricadie wrote: So, quite frankly... CCP: You have limited resources, and you have to decide where you put them. If you've decided that CCP/Player Organization partnerships are the way to go to promote the game, dumping valuable ships and other ISK-worthy goods into them to distribute... Goonswarm is actually your best choice. And if you entrust it specifically to Solo Drakban, he is literally himmler your guy, as he has honestly managed thousands of dollars in donations to help keep our services running, and he is a paragon on the front of information privacy when he designs systems. \
This guy pretty much nailed it. It's time for CCP to give back to the real givers of Eve, not the takers. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1208
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:41:00 -
[142] - Quote
0/10 |
Tallian Saotome
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1003
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:48:00 -
[143] - Quote
Vald Tegor wrote:Spurty wrote:Hey goonies:
1) make your own content (your version of blink) 2) war dec blink 3) content I suppose .. But not really
As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".
Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh
Now let's see who get the prizes ...
Hey Mr GRR GOONS Do you understand the concept of ship replacement programs funded at an alliance level? You see, goons go out and get blown up by pubbies. The alliance then pays to replace that ship, so the goon can fit a new ship and go get blown up by another pubbie instead of wasting time ratting. That is how content is generated. From the guy doing to shooting, to the one who built the ships and mods, mined the minerals, ran the reactions, researched the blueprints, along with the market trades and transportation of goods involved.
To elaborate on this some more, Goons do not produce enough minerals internally to build the ships we go through. We buy them in highsec, then pay someone to ship them to us. Every single miner, industrialist, and station trader in EVE has made money off of of the goon war machine, and this is a trend that will continue. This is content.
Most PvPers spend at least some time trying to kill Goons, or fighting us in some way. This is content.
Every miner has had to learn to watch his back, highsec or not, because of Goons, due to the glorious Ministry of Love, as well as our various interdiction events. This was demonstrated in the last one where we had to work much harder to find targets, and they were far fewer, despite the number of miners not significantly decreasing. This is also content.
Goons engage is wars of such vast scale that they involve all of the greatest powers in the game, putting EVE and CCP in the limelight of world news, not just gaming news. We do this on a fairly regular basis. This drives content in the form of more new players signing up end interacting with the game.
And finally, Goons give reason for countless pubbies who would never do so otherwise to come to these forums and post, positive or negative, which creates engagement with the community as a whole. Even this is a form of content in what is ultimately a social oriented game.
No player group has created more content for EVE than Goons have over the years. All SOMER.Blink has done is set up a gambling site in which they are guaranteed a profit in every single lottery, and encourage people to develop a gambling addiction.
I can't tell you how many people on all sides I have seen find out about Blink, get hooked, lose all of their money in a way that does nothing to drive game content, and quit EVE. The last part rarely happens in EVE tho, since Goons tend to take care of each other, and when someone loses it all to Blink, we will usually help them recover and get back in the game. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:48:00 -
[144] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decides to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.
Dear Goonswarm slime,
You are the pimple that resides on the hairy mole which grows on the posterior of New Eden but you are right in this matter , CCP is making a big mistake.
I hate you for making me agree with you.
P.s. it appears that agreeing with you disagrees with me and as a result I have given myself permanent incontinence.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
398
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:52:00 -
[145] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please?
That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2869
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:57:00 -
[146] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please?
They already gave you an Invulnerability Field, which prevents you from dying. what more do you want?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4923
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:58:00 -
[147] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? They already gave you an Invulnerability Field, which prevents you from dying. what more do you want? an omnipotence skillbook and a polaris cruiser, clearly |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:59:00 -
[148] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly. If you mean it's shameful for the blatantly wrong idiots that keep trying to argue with him, then yes. |
Tallian Saotome
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1004
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:03:00 -
[149] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly.
Some of us gave up on liking his posts when he broke 10k. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Zaepho
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:15:00 -
[150] - Quote
Gambling vs The Great Enemy that brings all of high-sec together in hatred?
CCP help us help you. Give Goons the shinys so that the rest of EVE can blow them up in gigantic fleet fights! |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
785
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:31:00 -
[151] - Quote
confirmed, goons need some golden cynos ... |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:33:00 -
[152] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:confirmed, goons need some golden cynos
We will fit them with warp stabs.
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
157
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:34:00 -
[153] - Quote
Attack on CCP employee has been removed.
Forum rule 30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2196
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:35:00 -
[154] - Quote
Dear CCP,
As various NPC alts have leaked to these very fine forums, we have been on a long crusade over this last year to become what the game needs - the next BoB. We've come very far, but alas, the last step is down to you. We need you to spawn us Sabre soon-to-be-buffed Eris BPOs so that we can assert our dominance just that little bit harder.
Please, find it in yourselves to create us stuff from thin air, such that we can finally rise to our rightful place.
Khanh'rhh Senior Leader of BPO aquisition
Sabre Eris Specialist, T20 division "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
785
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:38:00 -
[155] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Harry Forever wrote:confirmed, goons need some golden cynos We will fit them with warp stabs.
better fit them with your two braincells ... |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1343
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:42:00 -
[156] - Quote
Dod Kalm wrote:While I've only had a small hand in the goings on of goonfleetdottecom, i feel based on your precedent of giving worthless entities free crap, you should give me a stilleto bpo. I drive content and am far more philanthropic than somer.
Just buy your high heeled shoes in a regular shop like anyone else. This is not a signature. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16669
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:44:00 -
[157] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly. GǪeven better when you consider that likes only existed for less than two out of the six years I've been posting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4349
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:45:00 -
[158] - Quote
Aryth wrote:I would like to chime in and say dev flown ships full of officer mods that die to our gatecamps is also acceptable.
You manage to be awesome in any situation. The other guy seems crying, you take it like a good sport man. Bravo! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4349
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:53:00 -
[159] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please?
1) Get a life, browse-refreshing and posting for hours is not healthy.
2) Likes are worthless anyway, if I wanted to have 16000 likes I should just start liking my posts with my alts like others do.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
526
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:02:00 -
[160] - Quote
I don't know. I don't really care what the Goons get, but for some reason I don't see this sitting well with the non-Goon population. (ie most of the player base) "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16670
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:05:00 -
[161] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) Get a life, browse-refreshing and posting for hours is not healthy. Life gotten; browser refreshes itself; posting takes minutes.
Quote:2) Likes are worthless anyway, if I wanted to have 16000 likes I should just start liking my posts with my alts like others do. Others might; I don't.
Hell, my most liked post ever happened when the functionality didn't even exist.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
526
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:07:00 -
[162] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly. GǪeven better when you consider that likes only existed for less than two out of the six years I've been posting.
Personally, I think CCP reward for you should give you a free pass to one of those internet addicts facilities or maybe a two weeks vacation somewhere without internet access.
I mean all those forum posts aren't really a sign of a healthy life outside of the forums. Its like how I can claim to have watched the entire series of Star Trek (all of them) in a 4 month period when they became available on Netflix.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:25:00 -
[163] - Quote
Eezee Gonozal wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. 1. Get trillions worth of free ships from CCP 2. Sell those ships to the Eve community. It's the same business plan that Somer has.
Note quite true. Somer adds in their own scam in the middle so they make way more per ship than just selling them would.
It's such a good scam that CCP fell for it hook, line, sinker, and golden magnate. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2199
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:26:00 -
[164] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? 1) Get a life, browse-refreshing and posting for hours is not healthy. 2) Likes are worthless anyway, if I wanted to have 16000 likes I should just start liking my posts with my alts like others do. You're meant to be less transparent when crying "get a life!" to try to insinuate the other person isn't just naturally better than you, but must be instead working unusually hard to achieve it.
(Tippia is just a better poster because he makes sense and you ramble on endlessly whilst randomly insulting people)
((For like 1bil ISK I can give you lessons they're really good))
(((3 brackets lol))) "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2199
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:28:00 -
[165] - Quote
Also CCP need to take away Weaselior's "post" button and replace it with a "dunk" button because it's all he does. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
526
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:31:00 -
[166] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? 1) Get a life, browse-refreshing and posting for hours is not healthy. 2) Likes are worthless anyway, if I wanted to have 16000 likes I should just start liking my posts with my alts like others do. You're meant to be less transparent when crying "get a life!" to try to insinuate the other person isn't just naturally better than you, but must be instead working unusually hard to achieve it. (Tippia is just a better poster because he makes sense and you ramble on endlessly whilst randomly insulting people) ((For like 1bil ISK I can give you lessons they're really good)) (((3 brackets lol)))
People who usually make sense to one self are usually those who agree on most matters.
But a disenting opinion on the other hand sounds rather foreign and nonsensical.
Not to say the person who you are disagreeing with isn't a crap poster to being with. But understand everyone has a bias about people they agree with. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2169
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:35:00 -
[167] - Quote
Can we get a CCP employee in this thread to confirm that Goons have honoured every single recruitment offer ever made, and that they are completely trustworthy |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
7
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 22:46:00 -
[168] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) Get a life, browse-refreshing and posting for hours is not healthy. Life gotten; browser refreshes itself; posting takes minutes. Careful, Blink would ban you for auto refresh .
So that just gave me an epiphany.
Remember that recent mess with roleplay channels? How devs no longer hang out in them because some channel admin decided to ban other players?
Fast forward to fair distribution of spawned assets by a corp that bans users from accessing their system at their discretion, preventing them from having a shot at these ships? Further note how the actions resulting in these bans are for breaking made up rules and actions that take place entirely out of game - auto refresh browser, multiple account achievement abuse based on IP addresses, etc. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16672
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 22:46:00 -
[169] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Can we get a CCP employee in this thread to confirm that Goons have honoured every single recruitment offer ever made, and that they are completely trustworthy GǪfor certain values of GÇ£honouredGÇ¥ at least. I'm sure they have a near-100% consistency in how those offers play out. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
7
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 22:59:00 -
[170] - Quote
Tippia wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Can we get a CCP employee in this thread to confirm that Goons have honoured every single recruitment offer ever made, and that they are completely trustworthy GǪfor certain values of GǣhonouredGǥ at least. I'm sure they have a near-100% consistency in how those offers play out. They play out according to the rules listed on their web site, just like blink. And there isn't even any fine print to worry about. |
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Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 23:09:00 -
[171] - Quote
Vald Tegor wrote:They play out according to the rules listed on their web site, just like blink. And there isn't even any fine print to worry about. Well, one goon actually sponsored their mark into Waffe. But don't worry, we purged both the mark and the guy with extreme prejudice, so our record is still 100% clean. |
Te Tumatauenga
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:11:00 -
[172] - Quote
On behalf of TEST I would like to echo my learned colleague's call for CCP to recognise the value they add to this game. Very recently we have been the recipient of many hundreds of man-hours of consultancy work resulting in the rightsizing of our organisation and the freedom from the shackles of sov warfare that so many of our own leadership had promised but been unable to deliver on. Even putting aside the value they have added to CCP through content creation and marketing fodder there is a strong case to be made that their involuntary management consulting and highsec community outreach work qualifies them for direct remuneration from CCP above and beyond what has already been provided to them via the "broken" technetium system. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16673
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:14:00 -
[173] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:They play out according to the rules listed on their web site, just like blink. And there isn't even any fine print to worry about. Well, one goon actually sponsored their mark into Waffe. But don't worry, we purged both the mark and the guy with extreme prejudice, so our record is still 100% clean. Well, I'm convinced. CCP should definitely hand me a Polaris cruiser and the prerequisite skillbook(s). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
441
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:16:00 -
[174] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve. +1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues.... |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
7
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 23:16:00 -
[175] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:They play out according to the rules listed on their web site, just like blink. And there isn't even any fine print to worry about. Well, one goon actually sponsored their mark into Waffe. But don't worry, we purged both the mark and the guy with extreme prejudice, so our record is still 100% clean. Kind of like that guy with a director alt in blink that stole some stuff, right?
I'm sure that would never happen with special prizes like these though. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:18:00 -
[176] - Quote
Tippia wrote:CCP should definitely hand me a Polaris cruiser and the prerequisite skillbook(s). They'd be nice collector's items, but Polaris requires Polaris V to train so having the book won't actually help |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:27:00 -
[177] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: +1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....
Our anoms? Well, time to pack up, irrelevant insignificant acts are the bane of our existence. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
7
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 23:34:00 -
[178] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: +1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....
Our anoms? Well, time to pack up, irrelevant insignificant acts are the bane of our existence. It's not irrelevant, it's helping the Military index of the system.
Don't tell him he's helping though, it might discourage him. He might get an expedition and die with the loot on the way out. |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:43:00 -
[179] - Quote
I can hear the splash of those goon tears echoing off the sides of the universe. Theres a big Echo in here. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4622
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 23:43:00 -
[180] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Also CCP need to take away Weaselior's "post" button and replace it with a "dunk" button because it's all he does. Chaos dunk There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
|
Posted - 2013.09.26 23:50:00 -
[181] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: +1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues....
Oh, I remember you. You and your corp mate L-DOPA were in that same crappy part of Fountain the other night and believe me, nobody cares. Though it was fun listening to him beg me to leave in local. |
Zareph
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 00:27:00 -
[182] - Quote
I approve this request. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 00:44:00 -
[183] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:
People who usually make sense to one self are usually those who agree on most matters.
But a disenting opinion on the other hand sounds rather foreign and nonsensical.
Not to say the person who you are disagreeing with isn't a crap poster to being with. But understand everyone has a bias about people they agree with.
Cite the peer-reviewed double-blind study that verifies this otherwise your point is invalid :smug:. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 00:49:00 -
[184] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve. 10/10 |
Solo Drakban
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
859
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:53:00 -
[185] - Quote
I hereby declare that if CCP gives me any expensive ships I will promptly undock with them and auto-pilot them to every empire capital giving every player in the EVE universe the opportunity to kill me. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4350
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 00:54:00 -
[186] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) Get a life, browse-refreshing and posting for hours is not healthy. Life gotten; browser refreshes itself; posting takes minutes.
Considering it took all of 12 minutes to see a reply this means you are glued to the computer enough to start typing a reply in about 10 minutes. That's not really an example of "life gotten".
Quote:2) Likes are worthless anyway, if I wanted to have 16000 likes I should just start liking my posts with my alts like others do. Others might; I don't. [/quote]
Hell, my most liked post ever happened when the functionality didn't even exist.
I did not mention you. Touch+¬?
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:05:00 -
[187] - Quote
No amount of expansion features will help EVE once favoritism is the norm. I hope CCP still have Internal Affairs Department and rational people in it.
Bump. |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:34:00 -
[188] - Quote
as someone who hasnt seen the good side of goons i support goons getting free **** more than somer some random richass getting richer for no effort |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:43:00 -
[189] - Quote
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin. I dont think you understand the value of those ships. It is open season no matter who undocks them, Golden Magnates would likely auction for over 100bn, people would probably suicide gank that even if they were in a pirate BS. edit: I agree that actual content creators are more worthy of receiving them though.
Gank dat **** in a titan if i could still worth it =) |
Wildred Isagar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:46:00 -
[190] - Quote
I'd sure love a shiny new ship. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4102
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Posted - 2013.09.27 05:43:00 -
[191] - Quote
Weaselior, you have to understand that the secret is there is no spoon!
When has not having the item or service being sold ever stopped a Goon from attempting to sell it?
Imagine the scamming you could get up to when you break the exciting news that CCP has relented and issues The Mittani DOT Com a limited run of 200 a Gold Magnates! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 06:20:00 -
[192] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome.
Damn, that's what I want as my business plan.
CCP, I'm only a new player, but I want in on this thing too. I'm honest and will use anything you give me to help further my interests in Eve and in doing so, help promote yours as well.
I plan on building a huge empire some day, so why not give me a leg up. Just a gentle help along my way.
A few faction ships or something would be fine. Hell, I wouldn't even be able to fly them, so no risk I'll use them myself. Happy to give them away in some form of scam. Call me. You have my details.
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2013.09.27 06:53:00 -
[193] - Quote
So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?
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Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War Game 0f Tears
97
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Posted - 2013.09.27 06:56:00 -
[194] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. You're suggesting an institutional/organizational pissing contest between goonswarm and somer? You're going to be disappointed at the outcome. Goonswarm puts some medium-sized businesses to shame.
Funny you should say that. Is there a corporation in the real world run by goonswarm members and staffed by goonswarm members?
Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread --- Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3503687&#post3503687 ----á for FW rebalance in 2013 |
Prince Kobol
924
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:00:00 -
[195] - Quote
So at what point did Kittens tell all the goonies that they must spurge post on the Eve Forums with all their characters (including alts)
I mean its great and very entertaining, although there are a few who do seem to be taking this a mite too seriously and I think you should have a word with them, don't want any goonie to get too upset and damage their health, I suspect quite a few goonies have issues with high blood pressure, but all in all good show :) |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
83
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:04:00 -
[196] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?
I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM.
Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
158
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:24:00 -
[197] - Quote
Personal attack posts have been removed.
Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Jove Death
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
94
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:55:00 -
[198] - Quote
I do beleive on the OP he is right about somerblink.
They are there to just take isk from players. However its a lottery and somerblink is nothing without chars wasting there isk on a gamble. It can pay off but a large percentage just end up losing isk.
But
On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2196
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:59:00 -
[199] - Quote
Jove Death wrote:I do beleive on the OP he is right about somerblink.
They are there to just take isk from players. However its a lottery and somerblink is nothing without chars wasting there isk on a gamble. It can pay off but a large percentage just end up losing isk.
But
On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries
Pssst: That's his point, no player organisation deserves the developers of the game spawning them unique, limited edition assets worth hundreds of billions for them to use in order to promote and profit themselves |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:00:00 -
[200] - Quote
Jove Death wrote:On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well |
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Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:04:00 -
[201] - Quote
Abernie wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right? I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM. Well apparently CCP hasn't talked to the CSM about this before they announced it. The organization CCP created to avoid another T20 incident wasn't even involved in this T20 incident. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
83
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Abernie wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right? I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM. Well apparently CCP hasn't talked to the CSM about this before they announced it. You know, the organization that they created to avoid another T20 incident. That's one of the original issues, yes. But CSM has been talked to now and this is all we have from them (on eve-o) since then. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:10:00 -
[203] - Quote
They can't really do anything but say "hey we don't like this". What I'm taking from that post is exactly what I've taken from CSM posts on other contentious issues in the recent past: CCP doesn't care about the CSM anymore and just go ahead with whatever.
Edit: Not that they have to care, since the CSM has been a paper tiger for most of its existence. |
Novenas Heresy
Exemplary Orphans
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:25:00 -
[204] - Quote
This is a valid point. It was tales of Goon exploits that brought me to EvE, and 99% of the EvE related news articles I read involve Goons, don't worry that when I joined EvE I quickly developed less than admirable feelings for them. :P
Goons shouldn't get trillions of ISK, but it's not unreasonable for them to expect it if Blink do. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
441
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:25:00 -
[205] - Quote
I'm confused at the constant references in this thread to "Goons create content therefore we should get stuff for free". Exactly what content do Goons create or have created that is any different to what non-Goons create? I haven't noticed any.
If by "content" people mean the Goon self declared goals of exploiting mechanics, making EvE unpleasant for newbs, renting space and reducing conflicts by bluing anyone that pays rather than fights for systems then I disagree you earned anything or create anything.
If they mean Burn Jita and Hulkageddon we were doing that years ago. Copying old content sure, no creating new content.
Edit: not to say I agree with this CCP rubbish spawning ships and giving them to a player corp for free??? So they can give them away as prizes and make isk as profit? If CCP does this then the isk should go to CCP and ships given to players by CCP. Screw SB and Goons. No one should get isk for free. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4244
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:25:00 -
[206] - Quote
The amount of self-entitlement and butt hurt in this thread is amazing. . |
Maliandra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:29:00 -
[207] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. People like you are so sad, lol.
Why can't you just enjoy your part of the game and let others enjoy there part?
All you people have some serious RL issues to work out. This alliance is crap, hi-sec miners are poons, blah blah blah.... what happened in the lives of you people to make you like this?
You have no idea how abnormal this kind of mentality is to those of us "normals" looking in from the outside. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
The Knights of Spamalot The Methodical Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:32:00 -
[208] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Stuff I didn't read Just wanted to say a genuine good luck. |
Ayures
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:40:00 -
[209] - Quote
ITT, CFC posting CTA. |
Prince Kobol
924
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:16:00 -
[210] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Jove Death wrote:On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well
Yet CCP has said it wants to do more in helping 3rd Party sites.
Somerblink did a great job in sponsoring teams in the New Eden Open to the tune of 320billion isk.
I have yet to see the goons or any other alliances help out events in that way.
Yes goonies do provide content, but only to benefit themselves. |
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Prince Kobol
924
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:21:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST.
Yes you do I for one are glad that you do.
However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. |
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding Synchrodyne
14
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:25:00 -
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Weynard wrote:I could not agree more. The Goons have brought much more to EVE than SOMER ever could. SOMER doesn't bring new players to the table, they just entertain existing ones. Goonswarm deserves these tokens of blatant arbitrary favoritism as much as SOMER, if not more!
On a more serious note- if Weaselior is unsucessful with this thorough and logical request, whichever CCP employee thought this was a good idea deserves a t20-like whipping.
I will take issue with your casual dismissal of the benefits that goonswarm has given the community. It is a serious note.
We can thank the Mittani personally for his devoted service as CSM President, and his intervention in the last great CCP crisis when he was rushed to Iceland to end microtransactions and get ship spinning back.
I would like to personally thank Goonswarm for sponsoring of hulkageddon, leading directly to stronger mining barges for my highsec pubelord play, and ultimately, (and incidentally, not ironically at all) the end of hulkageddon.
I do believe a goon member wrote EveMon, a critical tool in planning my highsec roid destruction.
And we can thank goonswarm for taking a stand against the last player group to get free bling from CCP.
And we thank you again for taking a stand here, with this dripping sarcasm.
Thank you. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:34:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know
E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site) |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
88
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:41:00 -
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Klyith wrote:And in case anyone has reservations over who in Goonswarm would be trustworthy enough: Solo Drakban
*Runs a fansite that supports thousands of players *An integral part of Eve's longest-running Secret Santa program *Trusted every year with up to $10,000 in real money donations, so he won't be tempted by a piddling trillion isk worth of ships
*Has excellent taste in fine Scotch
I was doubting your recommendation up untill the last entry... and then you had me.
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Prince Kobol
924
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:41:00 -
[215] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site)
Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something.
I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did.
Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain.
Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:42:00 -
[216] - Quote
Abernie wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?
I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM. Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not.
I doubt the CSM was involved. I'm sure at t least mynnna would have had something to say. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:50:00 -
[217] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? See the prominent "Buy GTCs through blink" banner on the right? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11845
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:55:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:The amount of self-entitlement and butt hurt in this thread is amazing.
As are the numbers of people who completely miss the point
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11845
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:56:00 -
[219] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Abernie wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?
I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM. Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not. I doubt the CSM was involved. I'm sure at t least mynnna would have had something to say.
We were very specifically not asked for advice on whether or not this was a good idea.
1 Kings 12:11
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2196
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:00:00 -
[220] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Abernie wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?
I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM. Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not. I doubt the CSM was involved. I'm sure at t least mynnna would have had something to say. We were very specifically not asked for advice on whether or not this was a good idea.
Which is rather astonishing, considering it revolves around a decision to spawn special, high value items for a specific single player group.
Wasn't the CSM formed in part as a result of someone spawning high value items for a specific player group?
I don't understand how CCP could form the CSM, work with it for years, and then specifically not consult them on an issue that is essentially a repeat of the issue that caused them to form the CSM in the first place. It's astonishing. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11847
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:03:00 -
[221] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote: I don't understand how CCP could form the CSM, work with it for years, and then specifically not consult them on an issue that is essentially a repeat of the issue that caused them to form the CSM in the first place. It's astonishing.
It is a puzzle, isn't it.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
989
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:09:00 -
[222] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site) Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something. I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did. Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain. It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament. Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? 320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back.
As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads. Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Prince Kobol
924
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:21:00 -
[223] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site) Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something. I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did. Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain. It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament. Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? 320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back. As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads. Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned.
Since I use ad blocker I don't see any ads hence the why I asked the question.
I have already stated that the isk he donated was little as far as the isk he makes, but still more then anybody else has ever given.
You do realise that CCP have already stated that they have investigated SommerBlink.
So what you are saying is that CCP are aware of Somerblink RMT.
So Goons, for which you are part of, are now saying CCP are aware and endorse 3rd Party Site RMT'ing.. wow |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
441
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:24:00 -
[224] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site) Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something. I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did. Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain. It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament. Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? 320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back. As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads. Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned. I hope you have some proof of this. Not particularly happy about the free isk CCP is giving these people but accusations of the type you made should only really be made with proof. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2197
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:28:00 -
[225] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Since I use ad blocker I don't see any ads hence the why I asked the question.
I have already stated that the isk he donated was little as far as the isk he makes, but still more then anybody else has ever given.
You do realise that CCP have already stated that they have investigated SommerBlink.
So what you are saying is that CCP are aware of Somerblink RMT.
So Goons, for which you are part of, are now saying CCP are aware and endorse 3rd Party Site RMT'ing.. wow
I find it hard to believe that CCP have investigated somer in a satisfactory manner. There have been, according to somer, millions of transactions. Have CCP dug through and followed up on every single on of those transactions and the accounts involved? Do CCP have access to Somers external-to-EVE-online site, services and code that manages these transactions? They've dug through those services and code and guaranteed that nothing fishy has ever happened in a single one of the events?
Really? CCP have done that?
Even if CCP have done that (which is incredibly unlikely)... when are they going to offer similar checks and guarantees for competing player entities? Will they audit my transactions and publicly state for everyone to see that I am completely trustworthy and have honoured everything in the history of my account? It'd be great for my in-game business if CCP would make such glowing public statements. They're doing it for at least one player entity, why not others?
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Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:34:00 -
[226] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned. Uh yeah did you notice how I explicitly didn't claim they were doing RMT? That's because I can't prove it. Nor can you. (Nor do I believe they are RMTing.) |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2197
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:39:00 -
[227] - Quote
why would they need to RMT when CCP, as a company, is directing it's entire customer base to somer blinks website? That's a nice boost to ad revenue, and of course a portion of any of the GTCs bought go to somer too.
They don't need RMT, they've already got the real monetary gains covered quite legitimately |
Prince Kobol
924
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:40:00 -
[228] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Since I use ad blocker I don't see any ads hence the why I asked the question.
I have already stated that the isk he donated was little as far as the isk he makes, but still more then anybody else has ever given.
You do realise that CCP have already stated that they have investigated SommerBlink.
So what you are saying is that CCP are aware of Somerblink RMT.
So Goons, for which you are part of, are now saying CCP are aware and endorse 3rd Party Site RMT'ing.. wow I find it hard to believe that CCP have investigated somer in a satisfactory manner. There have been, according to somer, millions of transactions. Have CCP dug through and followed up on every single on of those transactions and the accounts involved? Do CCP have access to Somers external-to-EVE-online site, services and code that manages these transactions? They've dug through those services and code and guaranteed that nothing fishy has ever happened in a single one of the events? Really? CCP have done that? Even if CCP have done that (which is incredibly unlikely)... when are they going to offer similar checks and guarantees for competing player entities? Will they audit my transactions and publicly state for everyone to see that I am completely trustworthy and have honoured everything in the history of my account? It'd be great for my in-game business if CCP would make such glowing public statements. They're doing it for at least one player entity, why not others?
So are you now saying that CCP endorses RMT'ing? |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
441
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:42:00 -
[229] - Quote
If SOMER had to instead of getting the ships for free, pay the value of the ships and prizes with isk to CCP they would still very likely make a lot of isk (and cash). That would at least be something they're losing to gain something. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:50:00 -
[230] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site) Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something. I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did. Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain. It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament. Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? 320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back. As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads. Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned. Since I use ad blocker I don't see any ads hence the why I asked the question. I have already stated that the isk he donated was little as far as the isk he makes, but still more then anybody else has ever given. You do realise that CCP have already stated that they have investigated SommerBlink. So what you are saying is that CCP are aware of Somerblink RMT. So Goons, for which you are part of, are now saying CCP are aware and endorse 3rd Party Site RMT'ing.. wow lol, investigated. How exactly did they do that? The whole somer blink system runs on their own systems, so anything they report to CCP is not independently verified. And I doubt with the volume of winners that CCP checked the activity of every blink winner to look for shill accounts. Aside from that CCP have stated clearly that they have no way of knowing if somer will scam, and no way to stop them if they do.
In short CCP are unable to investigate whether somer RMT or not as they've generated enough traffic to mask any activity they do. But CCP are boosting that activity by officially endorsing them. There have been several big RMT scam which have gone well under CCPs radar, so them assuming this is all on the level is pretty dumb.
Oh and while I'm part of the CFC, I speak for myself, not them. Likewise, I take what you say as from you, not from NC, unless stated otherwise. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:54:00 -
[231] - Quote
Abloo bloo bloo... :smugdog: |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:58:00 -
[232] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I hope you have some proof of this. Not particularly happy about the free isk CCP is giving these people but accusations of the type you made should only really be made with proof.
Sirane Elrek wrote:Uh yeah did you notice how I explicitly didn't claim they were doing RMT? That's because I can't prove it. Nor can you. (Nor do I believe they are RMTing.) What proof is needed. I've heard on a number of occasions that this type of thing is happening. That's good enough for me. I not when other people are accused of RMT no clear evidence is needed, hearsay is enough, so for me the same is true.
Also, lets face it, somer clearly won't be making enough of of the few ads they have to make it worthwhile. We all know all of these gambling sites use shill accounts to skim funds for something, and they supposedly make enough legit isk from the site to pay for everything tey need, so the illegitimate skimming is most likely put towards RMT. Think back to all of the other big groups that that have made 9sk through a site, then years later, there's a news article "onoes, X has made $20000 though RMT!".
Add it all up and the chances of the people saying somer is RMTing being wrong are IMHO very slim. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Prince Kobol
927
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:58:00 -
[233] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: Some furious back peddling
Yet you are still saying, insisting that Somerblink RMT'ing and with the isk they make, it would be on a massive scale.
For CCP not to know this would be "dumb" as you put it.
So if it is so clear that Somerblink must be RMT'ing, CCP by endorsing Somerblink is in turn endorsing a 3rd Party Site which is involved in a massive level of RMT'ing.
Also I am interested as I am sure others will be, which other big RMT Scams have gone under CCP's radar?
You will have to forgive me as I am not as well versed in the art of RMT scamming as you seem to be. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:59:00 -
[234] - Quote
Oh and in addition to the above. It's all really irrelevant. What's relevant is this. CCP need to show us how they are 100% certain that somer is not an RMT empire. If they can't show that, then giving them an official endorsement is one of the stupidest ideas they've ever had. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Prince Kobol
927
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:07:00 -
[235] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Oh and in addition to the above. It's all really irrelevant. What's relevant is this. CCP need to show us how they are 100% certain that somer is not an RMT empire. If they can't show that, then giving them an official endorsement is one of the stupidest ideas they've ever had.
Of course it all relevant, Its relevant as you have openly accused of CCP knowingly endorsing a site which as you put, its dumb to believe they are not RMT'ing, with the following damning evidence
"What proof is needed. I've heard on a number of occasions that this type of thing is happening. That's good enough for me.
I not when other people are accused of RMT no clear evidence is needed, hearsay is enough, so for me the same is true."
In which case there are aliens on mars, big foot, loch ness monster, unicorns, New World Order, Anything to with Dan Brown etc is all true because somebody said it was... |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:07:00 -
[236] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Yet you are still saying, insisting that Somerblink RMT'ing and with the isk they make, it would be on a massive scale.
For CCP not to know this would be "dumb" as you put it.
So if it is so clear that Somerblink must be RMT'ing, CCP by endorsing Somerblink is in turn endorsing a 3rd Party Site which is involved in a massive level of RMT'ing.
Also I am interested as I am sure others will be, which other big RMT Scams have gone under CCP's radar?
You will have to forgive me as I am not as well versed in the art of RMT scamming as you seem to be. There's plenty still out there quite obvious in what they do as they advertise it. Hell, one major RMT group even had an ad on EN24 the other day. I'm not going to name sites, as they are active, and I don;t want to be accused to supporting RMT though publicising the sites. If CCP aren't even able to stop a group that publicly advertises that they are RMTers, and even states that buying from them is an EULA breach, how can they be expected to be able to state with 100% certainty that somer aren't RMTing? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Prince Kobol
927
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:11:00 -
[237] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yet you are still saying, insisting that Somerblink RMT'ing and with the isk they make, it would be on a massive scale.
For CCP not to know this would be "dumb" as you put it.
So if it is so clear that Somerblink must be RMT'ing, CCP by endorsing Somerblink is in turn endorsing a 3rd Party Site which is involved in a massive level of RMT'ing.
Also I am interested as I am sure others will be, which other big RMT Scams have gone under CCP's radar?
You will have to forgive me as I am not as well versed in the art of RMT scamming as you seem to be. There's plenty still out there quite obvious in what they do as they advertise it. Hell, one major RMT group even had an ad on EN24 the other day. I'm not going to name sites, as they are active, and I don;t want to be accused to supporting RMT though publicising the sites. If CCP aren't even able to stop a group that publicly advertises that they are RMTers, and even states that buying from them is an EULA breach, how can they be expected to be able to state with 100% certainty that somer aren't RMTing?
Of course you can name them. You wont be accused of anything.
You simply say, "The other day I was on Evenews24 and I saw this ad from these guys"
It isn't hard. Anybody can say I saw this but I won't say what it was.. watch,
"Yesterday I was TMC and there was this ad from a major RMT but I won't say who they were as they are very active and I scared people will accuse me of RMT'ing"
See? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:16:00 -
[238] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yet you are still saying, insisting that Somerblink RMT'ing and with the isk they make, it would be on a massive scale.
For CCP not to know this would be "dumb" as you put it.
So if it is so clear that Somerblink must be RMT'ing, CCP by endorsing Somerblink is in turn endorsing a 3rd Party Site which is involved in a massive level of RMT'ing.
Also I am interested as I am sure others will be, which other big RMT Scams have gone under CCP's radar?
You will have to forgive me as I am not as well versed in the art of RMT scamming as you seem to be. There's plenty still out there quite obvious in what they do as they advertise it. Hell, one major RMT group even had an ad on EN24 the other day. I'm not going to name sites, as they are active, and I don;t want to be accused to supporting RMT though publicising the sites. If CCP aren't even able to stop a group that publicly advertises that they are RMTers, and even states that buying from them is an EULA breach, how can they be expected to be able to state with 100% certainty that somer aren't RMTing? Of course you can name them. You wont be accused of anything. Hell I often troll RMT sites looking for characters to see I a reconsign any of them. It isn't hard. Anybody can say I saw this but I won't say what it was.. watch, "Yesterday whilst randaomly surfing the net I came across one major RMT group that even had an ad on TMC . I'm not going to name sites, as they are active, and I don't want to be accused to supporting RMT though publicising the sites See? Fact is you have openly accused CCP endorsing RMT'ing by supporting Somerblink with no facts what so ever. Nope, still not gonna name it. I'm sure you can find it if your really want to.
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Novenas Heresy
Exemplary Orphans
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:16:00 -
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I'm not sure if everyone has accidently got off topic, or someone intentionally steered the conversation to RMTing to discredit the criticisms of this decision. Either way RMTing has nothing to do with this. Somer Blink, like any other EvE player, *could* be involved in RMTing, but that's not the point. The point is that no matter how honest he/they may be, CCP shouldn't be giving them free special edition ships unless they're giving the same treatment to other EvE players/cops/allliances. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:16:00 -
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stupid post in stupid goon thread |
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:21:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yet you are still saying, insisting that Somerblink RMT'ing and with the isk they make, it would be on a massive scale.
For CCP not to know this would be "dumb" as you put it.
So if it is so clear that Somerblink must be RMT'ing, CCP by endorsing Somerblink is in turn endorsing a 3rd Party Site which is involved in a massive level of RMT'ing.
Also I am interested as I am sure others will be, which other big RMT Scams have gone under CCP's radar?
You will have to forgive me as I am not as well versed in the art of RMT scamming as you seem to be. There's plenty still out there quite obvious in what they do as they advertise it. Hell, one major RMT group even had an ad on EN24 the other day. I'm not going to name sites, as they are active, and I don;t want to be accused to supporting RMT though publicising the sites. If CCP aren't even able to stop a group that publicly advertises that they are RMTers, and even states that buying from them is an EULA breach, how can they be expected to be able to state with 100% certainty that somer aren't RMTing? Of course you can name them. You wont be accused of anything. Hell I often troll RMT sites looking for characters to see I a reconsign any of them. It isn't hard. Anybody can say I saw this but I won't say what it was.. watch, "Yesterday whilst randaomly surfing the net I came across one major RMT group that even had an ad on TMC . I'm not going to name sites, as they are active, and I don't want to be accused to supporting RMT though publicising the sites See? Fact is you have openly accused CCP endorsing RMT'ing by supporting Somerblink with no facts what so ever. Nope, still not gonna name it. I'm sure you can find it if your really want to.
Again you are not backing up your claim of CCP Endorsing RMT'ing by Supporting Somerblink or come out with the other Big RMT Scams that have gone uder CCP's Radar.
You have yet been able to backup one single claim you have made. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I hope you have some proof of this. Not particularly happy about the free isk CCP is giving these people but accusations of the type you made should only really be made with proof. Sirane Elrek wrote:Uh yeah did you notice how I explicitly didn't claim they were doing RMT? That's because I can't prove it. Nor can you. (Nor do I believe they are RMTing.) What proof is needed. I've heard on a number of occasions that this type of thing is happening. That's good enough for me. I not when other people are accused of RMT no clear evidence is needed, hearsay is enough, so for me the same is true. Also, lets face it, somer clearly won't be making enough of of the few ads they have to make it worthwhile. We all know all of these gambling sites use shill accounts to skim funds for something, and they supposedly make enough legit isk from the site to pay for everything tey need, so the illegitimate skimming is most likely put towards RMT. Think back to all of the other big groups that that have made 9sk through a site, then years later, there's a news article "onoes, X has made $20000 though RMT!". Add it all up and the chances of the people saying somer is RMTing being wrong are IMHO very slim. You're defaming them. Tarnishing a real life businesses name by spreading rumors about that are unproven and as you admit unable to be proven. Likely you won't be sued but they would have an open and shut case with you. You knowingly said something damaging about them that you don't know to be true. What you said harms their good reputation. You admit you have no proof, one actual defense to defamation (reasonably truthful claims).
I doubt a magistrate or judge would be cool with "hearsay is enough" :) |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:24:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event. is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site) Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something. I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did. Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain. It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament. Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this? 320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back. As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads. Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned. Since I use ad blocker I don't see any ads hence the why I asked the question. I have already stated that the isk he donated was little as far as the isk he makes, but still more then anybody else has ever given. You do realise that CCP have already stated that they have investigated SommerBlink. So what you are saying is that CCP are aware of Somerblink RMT. So Goons, for which you are part of, are now saying CCP are aware and endorse 3rd Party Site RMT'ing.. wow
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink? Much obliged. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:27:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Again you are not backing up your claim of CCP Endorsing RMT'ing by Supporting Somerblink or come out with the other Big RMT Scams that have gone uder CCP's Radar.
You have yet been able to backup one single claim you have made. I'm not claiming they are endorsing RMT. I'm claiming they have no was to disprove somer is RMTing, and so dumping unique ships on them and endorsing their service is a bad idea.
A lot of players will see this as meaning somer is officially a CCP supported thing, thus free from the possibility of scamming and RMT, but that's simply not the case. CCP have no way to prove it and should just stay out of ALL player run businesses.
IMHO, CCP should have done their own lottery for these, where they can be sure it's secured and they know for certain they are not helping up the credibility of an RMT empire. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:27:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.
CCP have already given you trillions of free ISK.
It's called moon-goo. Don't Panic.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:28:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir,
CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread
"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?
A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged."
Hope that helps :) |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:29:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:You're defaming them. Tarnishing a real life businesses name by spreading rumors about that are unproven and as you admit unable to be proven. Likely you won't be sued but they would have an open and shut case with you. You knowingly said something damaging about them that you don't know to be true. What you said harms their good reputation. You admit you have no proof, one actual defense to defamation (reasonably truthful claims).
I doubt a magistrate or judge would be cool with "hearsay is enough" :) That's funny, I thought I was talking about an in game group. If somer blink is a registered business, then their accounts are invalid, as according to the EULA accounts must be for personal use, not business use, and the use of an out of game business name is prohibited. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Prince Kobol
927
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:29:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve. CCP have already given you trillions of free ISK. It's called moon-goo.
Well they weren't given to them, they fought for them.
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Prince Kobol
927
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You're defaming them. Tarnishing a real life businesses name by spreading rumors about that are unproven and as you admit unable to be proven. Likely you won't be sued but they would have an open and shut case with you. You knowingly said something damaging about them that you don't know to be true. What you said harms their good reputation. You admit you have no proof, one actual defense to defamation (reasonably truthful claims).
I doubt a magistrate or judge would be cool with "hearsay is enough" :) That's funny, I thought I was talking about an in game group. If somer blink is a registered business, then their accounts are invalid, as according to the EULA accounts must be for personal use, not business use, and the use of an out of game business name is prohibited.
CCP is the business that you are defaming by claiming they are endorsing a practice which they denounce and will get you a life time ban and also in some countries can get you into serious trouble with the tax laws if you do not declaring it as an income :) |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:33:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) LOL That's not an investigation. That's him saying "They don't appear to have scammed people so far". They have no ability to investigate, since all of their business is done outside of the game.
also, bear in mind CCP are only looking at whether these prizes will be scammed. by using Chribbas dice and being so in the spotlight, that's unlikely. But they still can;t prove they are a legitimate group that don't perform RMT for profit. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:33:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) Thank you, but that has nothing about investigation on the CCP part into inner workings of Sommer, as you imply.
That would be the same as saying in court that you investigated murder suspect. And you investigation is based on knowing him personally and he was such a good guy before, so clearly there is no way he could have done it. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Prince Kobol
927
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:34:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) LOL That's not an investigation. That's him saying "They don't appear to have scammed people so far". They have no ability to investigate, since all of their business is done outside of the game.
So the isk is done out of game?
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Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You're defaming them. Tarnishing a real life businesses name by spreading rumors about that are unproven and as you admit unable to be proven. Likely you won't be sued but they would have an open and shut case with you. You knowingly said something damaging about them that you don't know to be true. What you said harms their good reputation. You admit you have no proof, one actual defense to defamation (reasonably truthful claims).
I doubt a magistrate or judge would be cool with "hearsay is enough" :) That's funny, I thought I was talking about an in game group. If somer blink is a registered business, then their accounts are invalid, as according to the EULA accounts must be for personal use, not business use, and the use of an out of game business name is prohibited. They have a website and they sell GTC, so they're obviously a real life business since they're making an income from the site, this is as well as an in game group.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:35:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) Thank you, but that has nothing about investigation on the CCP part into inner workings of Sommer, as you imply. That would be the same as saying in court that you investigated murder suspect. And you investigation is based on knowing him personally and he was such a good guy before, so clearly there is no way he could have done it.
So are you also supporting Lucas Kell case that Somerblink are involved in RMT'ing and that by CCP endorsing Somerblink they are in turn endorsing RMT'ing? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:36:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You're defaming them. Tarnishing a real life businesses name by spreading rumors about that are unproven and as you admit unable to be proven. Likely you won't be sued but they would have an open and shut case with you. You knowingly said something damaging about them that you don't know to be true. What you said harms their good reputation. You admit you have no proof, one actual defense to defamation (reasonably truthful claims).
I doubt a magistrate or judge would be cool with "hearsay is enough" :) That's funny, I thought I was talking about an in game group. If somer blink is a registered business, then their accounts are invalid, as according to the EULA accounts must be for personal use, not business use, and the use of an out of game business name is prohibited. CCP is the business that you are defaming by claiming they are endorsing a practice which they denounce and will get you a life time ban and also in some countries can get you into serious trouble with the tax laws if you do not declare it as an income :) (The practice is Real Money Transfer, better know as RMT, selling in game currency for real life money) Again, I'm not saying they are knowingly endorsing RMT, that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm saying they are endorsing a group with no way of knowing if they RMT, which is just as bad. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:38:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You're defaming them. Tarnishing a real life businesses name by spreading rumors about that are unproven and as you admit unable to be proven. Likely you won't be sued but they would have an open and shut case with you. You knowingly said something damaging about them that you don't know to be true. What you said harms their good reputation. You admit you have no proof, one actual defense to defamation (reasonably truthful claims).
I doubt a magistrate or judge would be cool with "hearsay is enough" :) That's funny, I thought I was talking about an in game group. If somer blink is a registered business, then their accounts are invalid, as according to the EULA accounts must be for personal use, not business use, and the use of an out of game business name is prohibited. They have a website and they sell GTC, so they're obviously a real life business since they're making an income from the site, this is as well as an in game group. In that case, their accounts are invalid and they should be closed. EULA - 2A: "Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited." The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:41:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: Again, I'm not saying they are knowingly endorsing RMT, that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm saying they are endorsing a group with no way of knowing if they RMT, which is just as bad.
No, you clearly stated that you would have to be dumb to believe that Somerblink are not RMT'ing.
So if that is the case then CCP must know that they are doing it as it is apparently that obvious, whether they can prove it or not is irrelevant, therefore by actively supporting them they are also endorsing the act of RMT'ing. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:42:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) Thank you, but that has nothing about investigation on the CCP part into inner workings of Sommer, as you imply. That would be the same as saying in court that you investigated murder suspect. And you investigation is based on knowing him personally and he was such a good guy before, so clearly there is no way he could have done it. So are you also supporting Lucas Kell case that Somerblink are involved in RMT'ing and that by CCP endorsing Somerblink they are in turn endorsing RMT'ing? If so I would love to see some kind of evidence other then "What proof is needed. I've heard on a number of occasions that this type of thing is happening. That's good enough for me.
I not when other people are accused of RMT no clear evidence is needed, hearsay is enough, so for me the same is true." No, what i am trying to do, is to get you provide proof of your statements. As of now, you just put words into CCP's mouth. And now you are trying to do the same with me.
But so far you just ignore questions you cannot answer, and continue to twist arguments to prove your point.
If CCP indeed performed checks into the somer business and confirmed they are legit, nothing is rigged and no RMT involved whatsoever in any form, then that would be just awesome. Then we can fully trust somer and understand why CCP chose them for this role. But no such statements were made. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
991
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Again, I'm not saying they are knowingly endorsing RMT, that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm saying they are endorsing a group with no way of knowing if they RMT, which is just as bad. No, you clearly stated that you would have to be dumb to believe that Somerblink are not RMT'ing. So if that is the case then CCP must know that they are doing it as it is apparently that obvious, whether they can prove it or not is irrelevant, therefore by actively supporting them they are also endorsing the act of RMT'ing. Would you like to find me the quote for that? I mean this is the one I can find:Lucas Kell wrote:so them assuming this is all on the level is pretty dumb Which clearly is saying that them assuming is dumb, not that anyone not seeing that somer are RMTing is dumb. I don't believe it's an uncommon thing to think assumptions are dumb. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:51:00 -
[260] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
CCP is the business that you are defaming by claiming they are endorsing a practice which they denounce and will get you a life time ban and also in some countries can get you into serious trouble with the tax laws if you do not declare it as an income :)
(The practice is Real Money Transfer, better know as RMT, selling in game currency for real life money)
How do you feel about CCP endorsing gambling? Somer Blink's style of gambling would be extremely unlikely to be allowed in many countries around the world if it was for real money. Moreover they actively encourage people to spend real money on plex to support somer blink and to feed people's gambling addiction.
It's fundamentally irrelevant however. CCP could be giving these 'unique' ships to a 3 person mining corp and it would have the same problem. It's favouritism and endorsement of a player-run organisation in the game simply because someone at CCP likes them.
And, as this thread has amply demonstrated, if they're going to be showering any corporation in trillions of dollars of isk, the ethical choice is to give it all to goonswarm. |
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dexington
Dexington Corporation
792
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:54:00 -
[261] - Quote
Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.
And how do we know that has not already happened?, are SOMER blink in any way accountable to CCP in term of who the prizes are given to, and how they are handed out?.
SOMER blink don't scam, and CCP devs never give stuff to big null sec alliances, we are all safe... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1274
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 12:00:00 -
[262] - Quote
This thread alone shows favoritism, I got banned for just saying "Devswarm" (prolly will again) and yet here is a thread opened by a goon. And it's at page #13! Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
71
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:03:00 -
[263] - Quote
Oh lol. This has nothing to do with what Somer decides to do with his isk. It's about CCP reminding us at the old T2 lotteries. If Mother Theresa, God keep her soul in heaven, would play EvE, CCP giving her the ships would be not fair. So stop putting Somer in front of this. It's not who recieves the advantage, but who gives it, and his reasons. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2212
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:27:00 -
[264] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues.... Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn
Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money.
I dunno ... thanks?
If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you.
Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
744
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:53:00 -
[265] - Quote
Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys. You guys already *ARE* the new Band of Brothers. You have become the thing you fought so hard against. I personally think ccp made the wrong decision to give Somer stuff to give away, but find myself unable to care.
o7 Bob is the god of Wormholes.
That's all you need to know. |
Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 13:07:00 -
[266] - Quote
i am here to confirm that the deeds and exploits of the goons were a major factor that drew me into this game and kept me playing as a pubbie before i ended up in the CFC through a lucky twist of fate. going further and saying that my membership in the CFC has kept me playing this godawful game for much longer than i should have. quite simply, were it not for the people i fly with, i would have fully disengaged from this community a long time ago. OP has valid points, the goons have done more for this game and community than any lottery site ever has or will (and i say this as a blink player). if we are going to have these kinds of dev-spawn item giveaways, the goons would be the top candidate to receive them imo. if this reeks of unfair to you but you support the decision to give somer limited assets, i would invite you to reexamine your position. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
993
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 13:08:00 -
[267] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues.... Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money. I dunno ... thanks? If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you. Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted. That... is a VERY VERY good point. What IS the plural of Proteus?
EDIT: Oh, apparently its "Protei" The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:10:00 -
[268] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues.... Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money. I dunno ... thanks? If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you. Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted. That... is a VERY VERY good point. What IS the plural of Proteus? proteii :) |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
72
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 13:17:00 -
[269] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues.... Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money. I dunno ... thanks? If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you. Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted. That... is a VERY VERY good point. What IS the plural of Proteus? EDIT: Oh, apparently its "Protei" "Many Proteuseseseses"
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Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:18:00 -
[270] - Quote
o/ fellow monkeys |
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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
63
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:52:00 -
[271] - Quote
Anton Menges Saddat wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:+1 for crying Goons. Let me dry those tears for you, I'm in 7X-02R stealing your anoms. Bring your own tissues.... Tell me more about stealing anoms that instantly respawn Also you realize this raises the mil index, and ergo makes our own ratters more money. I dunno ... thanks? If you want to stay in our space and not lose questionably fit Proteii Proteusus erm, multiple proteus class vessels over it, you can always rent a system. It would appear to be cheaper for you. Also since the entire playerbase is almost universally against this claiming "lol goon tears" is hilariously short sighted. That... is a VERY VERY good point. What IS the plural of Proteus? proteii :) Oh don't be one of those "virii" tools.
We all know it's proteuseseseseseses..........my precious. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4689
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 13:58:00 -
[272] - Quote
Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys.
You guys have been BoB in every way that matters for quite some time. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2209
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:00:00 -
[273] - Quote
No john, you ARE the band of brothers |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4689
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:07:00 -
[274] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread "Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) Thank you, but that has nothing about investigation on the CCP part into inner workings of Sommer, as you imply. That would be the same as saying in court that you investigated murder suspect. And you investigation is based on knowing him personally and he was such a good guy before, so clearly there is no way he could have done it. So are you also supporting Lucas Kell case that Somerblink are involved in RMT'ing and that by CCP endorsing Somerblink they are in turn endorsing RMT'ing? If so I would love to see some kind of evidence other then "What proof is needed. I've heard on a number of occasions that this type of thing is happening. That's good enough for me.
I not when other people are accused of RMT no clear evidence is needed, hearsay is enough, so for me the same is true." No, what i am trying to do, is to get you provide proof of your statements. As of now, you just put words into CCP's mouth. And now you are trying to do the same with me. But so far you just ignore questions you cannot answer, and continue to twist arguments to prove your point. If CCP indeed performed checks into the somer business and confirmed they are legit, nothing is rigged and no RMT involved whatsoever in any form, then that would be just awesome. Then we can fully trust somer and understand why CCP chose them for this role. But no such statements were made. CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9100
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:11:00 -
[275] - Quote
i love the CCP cheerleaders that come out of the woodwork to defend them significantly enriching individual players in a PvP-centered game Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2210
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:13:00 -
[276] - Quote
Andski wrote:i love the CCP cheerleaders that come out of the woodwork to defend them significantly enriching individual players in a PvP-centered game
Bootlickers gotta bootlick and trolls gotta troll |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4689
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:14:00 -
[277] - Quote
Kuni Oichi wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
CCP is the business that you are defaming by claiming they are endorsing a practice which they denounce and will get you a life time ban and also in some countries can get you into serious trouble with the tax laws if you do not declare it as an income :)
(The practice is Real Money Transfer, better know as RMT, selling in game currency for real life money)
How do you feel about CCP endorsing gambling? Somer Blink's style of gambling would be extremely unlikely to be allowed in many countries around the world if it was for real money. Moreover they actively encourage people to spend real money on plex to support somer blink and to feed people's gambling addiction. It's fundamentally irrelevant however. CCP could be giving these 'unique' ships to a 3 person mining corp and it would have the same problem. It's favouritism and endorsement of a player-run organisation in the game simply because someone at CCP likes them. And, as this thread has amply demonstrated, if they're going to be showering any corporation in trillions of dollars of isk, the ethical choice is to give it all to goonswarm. Gambling is a natural industry for the EVE universe, I really don't think anyone has an issue with this.
Yes, CCP could have avoided this by simply putting up these ships as prizes directly, but they wanted to assist/sponsor a widely used 3rd party service that is well known for sponsoring prizes for player events themselves.
The goal itself is laudable, that being to assist 3rd party organizations that enrich the EVE community via events and/or services. It gets complicated when that 3rd party service is also an entity in EVE that is working for profit and has competitors.
I "do" think CCP will need to rethink their approach in matters like this. I just hope they don't decide to stop sponsoring these beneficial services all together as a result. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5030
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:15:00 -
[278] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys. You guys have been BoB in every way that matters for quite some time. except the free sabre bpos, which is what i'm trying to fix here now that ccp's doing that again
if the dictors are really being rebalanced i will accept a complete set, they don't all have to be sabres |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5031
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:16:00 -
[279] - Quote
i would say "and besides the getting wrecked by goonswarm" part but we actually did do that (thanks kartoon) |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
993
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:18:00 -
[280] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them. It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so? SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer.
Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4689
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:23:00 -
[281] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Kismeteer wrote:Complete the cycle. We could be BoB. A couple t2 BPOs and we'd be happy.
I mean, fully sanctioned this time, like the SOMER blink guys. You guys have been BoB in every way that matters for quite some time. except the free sabre bpos, which is what i'm trying to fix here now that ccp's doing that again if the dictors are really being rebalanced i will accept a complete set, they don't all have to be sabres I was just giving you an elbow in the ribs.
I think the goons have done a lot of good for the game, and still do. Case in point you are in reality trying to protect EVE and keep CCP from making a mistake, instead of seriously trying to find a way to manipulate it to your advantage.
My point is simply that the objective is a good one, but the method chosen to do so needs a rethink. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:25:00 -
[282] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:This thread alone shows favoritism, I got banned for just saying "Devswarm" (prolly will again) and yet here is a thread opened by a goon. And it's at page #13!
I know, right? I posted a thread asking CCP for a monkey, which is in no way different from weaselior's request on behalf of Goonswarm or Somer Blink's free whatever, except the monkey would just be for me, but that thread was locked! . I play this game too! I pay for my subscription, even! |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2886
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:26:00 -
[283] - Quote
Why should ccp give Goonswarm free stuff?
They already gave them something for free. It's called null sec.
Oh and "didn't want that Tribute anyway". |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4689
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:28:00 -
[284] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them. It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so? SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer. Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact. CCP is an old hand at investigating who actually owns what accounts and the flow of ISK between them, and that's really all they need do. Investigating people affiliated with SOMER would be far simpler than tracking down an anonymous group buried in NULL... and they do that successfully all the time.
If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
72
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:36:00 -
[285] - Quote
Lol, what the frack? Why does it matter, here and now, what Somer does? Ideea is CCP is about to officialize the old T2 lottery system. To be really honest, i find it offensive against the whole comunity, after all the drama they had about scams. But i guess they have to reward people doing their own job to scoop isk outta game. May it be in a offensive way towards others, but heh, this is EvE. If they sell the ability to be offensive towards other people without fear of any repercussion, why would they not do it themselves? |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
270
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:38:00 -
[286] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them.
Well that is understandable and i agree with you that RMT should not be discussed. But some people do claim that CCP investigated somer and found them legit. And that was why i asked where this information came from.
But you have to see it this way as well. CCP Navigator claimed that they delivered on everything, does that mean checks were made, or its just an assumption on their part?
The entire collaboration of CCP and somer is not transparent and unclear. And as many players pointed out, there is a lof of grey areas. And all of it is based on blind trust. In the universe of eve. The hard and cold place when trusting someone could be your own downfall.
You can see why its not flying with most of the people? Anyone with ounce of brain can see how this can be abused easily. There is no proof ofc that it will be abused, same as there are not proofs that it will be not.
And the initial FAQ CCP said they cannot prove that it will not be abused in any way, and are not planing to audit the entire event to make it clear and transparent.
I am willing to believe it was honest attempt to do something fun for community. But it was done with so many oversights and in such a bad manner, that its shocking. CSM wasnt consulted on such controversial move. Some aspects of methodology of ticket distribution were ignored. The fact that not all players of eve could take part in this even is also ignored.
And all this, together with the fact that somer is making money out of the sheer spike of traffic on their website, is creating many questions about favoritism and the fact that CCP should not favor, endorse or in any way promote specific players.
And all this happened just weeks after TOS change, where role of CCP in such endorsements and relations with players was discussed.
This is a mess, and CCP should fix this, and make sure something like this never happens again. They should be careful with their actions and how they can be perceived by players and community.
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5033
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 14:45:00 -
[287] - Quote
yeah the issue is navigator has absolutely no basis for his assertion that SOMER is legit because without a doubt he didn't check the winners for SOMER alts for all the blinks somer has done and appears completely unaware that's how they'd scam
it's the third issue here, navigator giving the Official CCP Seal Of Not-Scam Approval which shouldn't be done in the first place, and certainly shouldn't be done when navigator isn't bothering to actually do the investigation |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
271
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:47:00 -
[288] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be.
I have to disagree with you on this.
We are paying customers. We have right to ask questions and raise concerns on how things are handled. Community is a large and essential part of Eve. And opinion of player base matters, as was proven many times before.
We even Vote for our own representatives (which were ignored totally in this case). So this is not like any other game where players are expected to just shut up. Not even close.
They can of course just ignore everyone, and that is their right. But it doesn't mean that everyone should just shut up about things they dont like or find morally wrong. But will have consequences, one way or another. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
73
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:47:00 -
[289] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:yeah the issue is navigator has absolutely no basis for his assertion that SOMER is legit because without a doubt he didn't check the winners for SOMER alts for all the blinks somer has done and appears completely unaware that's how they'd scam
it's the third issue here, navigator giving the Official CCP Seal Of Not-Scam Approval which shouldn't be done in the first place, and certainly shouldn't be done when navigator isn't bothering to actually do the investigation Lol, Somer does not need to scam. But what he does with the gained isk is another story. Wich also matters really few here. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
996
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:48:00 -
[290] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them. It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so? SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer. Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact. CCP is an old hand at investigating who actually owns what accounts and the flow of ISK between them, and that's really all they need do. Investigating people affiliated with SOMER would be far simpler than tracking down an anonymous group buried in NULL... and they do that successfully all the time. If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be. How would they find who owns each account? You can pay with plex, you can proxy your IP and you can get an infinite number of email addresses. The ONLY way for CCP to audit somer would be to go through every transaction ever made, and follow the isk trail, and even then, it would be hit and miss as to whether they could determine it was RMT. And as I say, they do convert isk to cash quite openly. Sure CCP seem to allow it, so that's the real question right? Why are somer allowed to openly RMT? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Prince Kobol
933
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Posted - 2013.09.27 15:07:00 -
[291] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them. It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so? SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer. Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact. CCP is an old hand at investigating who actually owns what accounts and the flow of ISK between them, and that's really all they need do. Investigating people affiliated with SOMER would be far simpler than tracking down an anonymous group buried in NULL... and they do that successfully all the time. If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be. How would they find who owns each account? You can pay with plex, you can proxy your IP and you can get an infinite number of email addresses. The ONLY way for CCP to audit somer would be to go through every transaction ever made, and follow the isk trail, and even then, it would be hit and miss as to whether they could determine it was RMT. And as I say, they do convert isk to cash quite openly. Sure CCP seem to allow it, so that's the real question right? Why are somer allowed to openly RMT?
I actually agree with Lucas in regards account creation.
I have always stated that creating untraceable accounts have always been far too easy in Eve, far easier then any other MMO.
Until CCP introduce some method to stop this then you will never be able to tackle RMT and any large scale.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2217
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 15:41:00 -
[292] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:This thread alone shows favoritism, I got banned for just saying "Devswarm" (prolly will again) and yet here is a thread opened by a goon. And it's at page #13!
That's because under the new TOS/EULA and the clarification by lead gms you are allowed to make truthful claims about your own characters/corporations, but not about others ;) |
Arrendis
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
55
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 15:49:00 -
[293] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. You're suggesting an institutional/organizational pissing contest between goonswarm and somer? You're going to be disappointed at the outcome. Goonswarm puts some medium-sized businesses to shame. Funny you should say that. Is there a corporation in the real world run by goonswarm members and staffed by goonswarm members?
According to Glenn Beck, the CIA. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 16:13:00 -
[294] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:No john, you ARE the band of brothers Whichever way it is, we're all doomed. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Lord Ryan
True Xero True Zombies
852
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:24:00 -
[295] - Quote
i would like a golden moon, only i can mine for gold moon goo.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4694
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:27:00 -
[296] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be.
I have to disagree with you on this. We are paying customers. We have right to ask questions and raise concerns on how things are handled. Community is a large and essential part of Eve. And opinion of player base matters, as was proven many times before. We even Vote for our own representatives (which were ignored totally in this case). So this is not like any other game where players are expected to just shut up. Not even close. They can of course just ignore everyone, and that is their right. But it doesn't mean that everyone should just shut up about things they dont like or find morally wrong. But will have consequences, one way or another. I'm just saying legitimate privacy concerns and security process issues trump suspicions.
Revealing details on investigations (whether the investigated party is proven guilty or innocent) is not an acceptable practice, and believe me, you don't want it to be.
Revealing details of how and when the investigations are done (outside of your own security team, internal affairs, and upper management) undermines their effectiveness.
You know what I'm saying. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1000
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:31:00 -
[297] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Red Templar wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be.
I have to disagree with you on this. We are paying customers. We have right to ask questions and raise concerns on how things are handled. Community is a large and essential part of Eve. And opinion of player base matters, as was proven many times before. We even Vote for our own representatives (which were ignored totally in this case). So this is not like any other game where players are expected to just shut up. Not even close. They can of course just ignore everyone, and that is their right. But it doesn't mean that everyone should just shut up about things they dont like or find morally wrong. But will have consequences, one way or another. I'm just saying legitimate privacy concerns and security process issues trump suspicions. Revealing details on investigations (whether the investigated party is proven guilty or innocent) is not an acceptable practice, and believe me, you don't want it to be. Revealing details of how and when the investigations are done (outside of your own security team, internal affairs, and upper management) undermines their effectiveness. You know what I'm saying. Come on though... they didn;t investigate and you know it. Also Somer ARE running an RMT empire: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281583&find=unread The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Trade Anything
Dragon Inc.
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:32:00 -
[298] - Quote
If i could sage this thread into oblivion, i would do it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4694
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 16:34:00 -
[299] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:CCP does not discuss RMT investigations, and rightfully so.
The hardest part of an RMT investigation is identifying the correct people to investigate, which in this case would be simplicity itself.
So no, CCP will never state to what extent SOMER has been checked out. Frankly, it's none of our business and violates their privacy policy. However checking into their movement of ISK, identifying alt characters and accounts, etc. would be a trivial matter for them. It's simple for them to identify the right people? How so? SOMER has awarded millions of prizes, and only they know the full list of who. Even with that list, CCP would not be able to investigate every single win to ensure there was no RMT following it, then even if they discovered RMT, they'd have no way of proving it wasn't simply a winner RMTing rather than somer. Amazingly though, somer give out credits (which is essentially isk that must be gambled with) to people buying GTC, which they get money for referring. Which means no matter how you put it, they DO RMT. That's an undeniable fact. CCP is an old hand at investigating who actually owns what accounts and the flow of ISK between them, and that's really all they need do. Investigating people affiliated with SOMER would be far simpler than tracking down an anonymous group buried in NULL... and they do that successfully all the time. If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be. How would they find who owns each account? You can pay with plex, you can proxy your IP and you can get an infinite number of email addresses. The ONLY way for CCP to audit somer would be to go through every transaction ever made, and follow the isk trail, and even then, it would be hit and miss as to whether they could determine it was RMT. And as I say, they do convert isk to cash quite openly. Sure CCP seem to allow it, so that's the real question right? Why are somer allowed to openly RMT? I actually agree with Lucas in regards account creation. I have always stated that creating untraceable accounts have always been far too easy in Eve, far easier then any other MMO. Until CCP introduce some method to stop this then you will never be able to tackle RMT and any large scale. You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 16:45:00 -
[300] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
I "do" think CCP will need to rethink their approach in matters like this. I just hope they don't decide to stop sponsoring these beneficial services all together as a result.
And as Weaselior spelled out in the OP, their new approach should be to give the trillions of isk to us. I think a unique set of the new SOE ship BPOs would do nicely. It's undisputed that we're far more ethical than a gambling corporation afterall, plus we give free stuff to new players, not those who pay us to give them stuff so you can be sure we'll use them wisely. |
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:49:00 -
[301] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Red Templar wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If CCP is satisfied with how they run their operations (and it's CCP that has the most to lose if they were guilty of actual RMT) I don't think your opinion or mine really matters. We would not be privy to the nuts and bolts of it anyway, nor should we be.
I have to disagree with you on this. We are paying customers. We have right to ask questions and raise concerns on how things are handled. Community is a large and essential part of Eve. And opinion of player base matters, as was proven many times before. We even Vote for our own representatives (which were ignored totally in this case). So this is not like any other game where players are expected to just shut up. Not even close. They can of course just ignore everyone, and that is their right. But it doesn't mean that everyone should just shut up about things they dont like or find morally wrong. But will have consequences, one way or another. I'm just saying legitimate privacy concerns and security process issues trump suspicions. Revealing details on investigations (whether the investigated party is proven guilty or innocent) is not an acceptable practice, and believe me, you don't want it to be. Revealing details of how and when the investigations are done (outside of your own security team, internal affairs, and upper management) undermines their effectiveness. You know what I'm saying.
And what are the privacy concerns exactly? I personally dont need any specific details or secrets or whatever. What i need is to know, that the party being endorsed by CCP in this way is not pocketing the profits. That they will not get anything personally for this kind of even or giveaway from CCP, except attention, PR and a thank you. And that even if they try to pocket something from these giveaways, CCP will monitor and punish for this.
But CCP is not stating this anywhere, quite opposite actually. Thus it raises a lot of questions, parallels being drawn with T20 incident, etc.
They wanted feedback on how community will react to that king of "community engagement", well there you go. Over the last day there have been plenty of questions asked regarding this, and none of them have been answered yet. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Lex Manrider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:02:00 -
[302] - Quote
[/quote] You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]
I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all! If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.
As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT? Player driven event should also mean player created prices!
What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guy, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.
p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs. |
Checkbaux
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:04:00 -
[303] - Quote
Just Posting this for "told you so" for screenshot sake
Prediction: around one or two years from now expect a "SOMER BLINK: How to Scam CCP" thread detailing how it was set up as a gambling scam that ended up working well, then WILDEST DREAMS when they got CCP endorsed while one dude fills his alts up with trillions of ISK.
i'm calling it now... CCP doing ANYTHING for ANY entity in game is a bad idea, they should stay the **** out of the sandbox and stop giving some kids bigger buckets.
imagine if Eve Investment Bank, how totally successful and legit it was for ages, imagine if EIB had been endorsed and advertised and helped out by CCP?
Well you don't need to imagine it. because thats effectively what could potentially happen here... some dude gives up and pockets trillions of ISK and o7m8's all of eve |
Lex Manrider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:05:00 -
[304] - Quote
You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]
I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all! If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.
As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT? Player driven event should also mean player created prices!
What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guys, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.
p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.[/quote]
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Checkbaux
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:07:00 -
[305] - Quote
Checkbaux wrote:Just Posting this for "told you so" for screenshot sake
Prediction: around one or two years from now expect a "SOMER BLINK: How to Scam CCP" thread detailing how it was set up as a gambling scam that ended up working well, then WILDEST DREAMS when they got CCP endorsed while one dude fills his alts up with trillions of ISK.
i'm calling it now... CCP doing ANYTHING for ANY entity in game is a bad idea, they should stay the **** out of the sandbox and stop giving some kids bigger buckets.
imagine if Eve Investment Bank, how totally successful and legit it was for ages, imagine if EIB had been endorsed and advertised and helped out by CCP?
Well you don't need to imagine it. because thats effectively what could potentially happen here... some dude gives up and pockets trillions of ISK and o7m8's all of eve
double post day? |
Prince Kobol
941
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:15:00 -
[306] - Quote
You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]
I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all! If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.
As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT? Player driven event should also mean player created prices!
What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guy, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.
p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.[/quote]
No need to be all shouty about it... dude take a chill pill |
Prince Kobol
941
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:21:00 -
[307] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.
If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.
Of course you can, but the issue with Eve is that is it far far too easy. If fact you do not even need to use any kind of payment details to open an account.
Fake email address + fake proxy + Plex = Full Eve Account
It really is that simple |
HardRockLife
War Decs Inc Serious Space Holding Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:40:00 -
[308] - Quote
Wait what is this all about? I was out getting a Security+ certificate and I come back to see references to Roman history and complaints about lotteries being used to fund a trip to the city of no taboo |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:18:00 -
[309] - Quote
-10 for fail whinery |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4627
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 18:24:00 -
[310] - Quote
Why isn't this locked with a link to the expansion announcement topic yet
Seriously, you're gonna get Weaselior dunk you like that There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:46:00 -
[311] - Quote
Sirane Elrek wrote:Jove Death wrote:On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well I think at this point, we should.
CCP has already coined Blink as a trustworthy service and the resulting profit is already in Blink's wallet, both in and out of game. It's too late to take any of that back, no matter what CCP's next move is going to be.
The precedent is set. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4632
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:50:00 -
[312] - Quote
Vald Tegor wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:Jove Death wrote:On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything. You guys have enough space and enough isk already.
CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well I think at this point, we should. CCP has already coined Blink as a trustworthy service and the resulting profit is already in Blink's wallet, both in and out of game. It's too late to take any of that back, no matter what CCP's next move is going to be. The precedent is set. Next, just do the reverse and remove stuff from an untrustworthy group.
Like us There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4632
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:51:00 -
[313] - Quote
TEST Alliance Please Ignore, step up to receive your prize: enough funding for not one, but TWO more gigantic losses to the CFC There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 19:04:00 -
[314] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Red Templar wrote:
Maybe i missed something. Can you please provide link to the statement of CCP, where they stated that they investigated SommerBlink?
Much obliged.
Of course good sir, CCP Navigator stated the following in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281298&find=unread"Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently? A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." Hope that helps :) I seem to recall a test alt that worked with Somer who cleaned out some hangars on his way out. But surely that will never happen again. |
Berstich
InterBus Central Division
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:31:00 -
[315] - Quote
CCP has stated that THEY can trust SOMER. No one else has to or should, but in a business transaction with the guys who run the game SOMER is trustworthy. As for the 'profits' they are being fed back into the Vegas tourny that probbaly wouldnt happen without them.
The only profit gain here is from the winners of the blinks and the winners of the Vegas Tourny. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:56:00 -
[316] - Quote
More like the profit (in $ not isk, for both Somer and CCP) from selling GTC's to people stocking up and burning through the free credit it generates on the site, for maximum raffle tickets. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:14:00 -
[317] - Quote
FFS, this has nothing to do with whether Somer Blink can be trusted. This is about CCP's ongoing inability to act ethically as a real world business. This gives the appearance of impropriety and taints CCP's relationships with its customers. Do any of you even work in professional positions? This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1547
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 20:23:00 -
[318] - Quote
This -might- have been acceptable if SOMER Blink was a charitable organisation as CCP seems to believe judging by their comments on the matter
However in reality SOMER Blink is not a charitable organisation and CCP is handing them hundreds of billions of ISK by giving them prizes to make ISK with |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1547
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 20:27:00 -
[319] - Quote
Suggestion: If a character makes X amount of ISK per month, CCP gives them more ISK for their honesty |
Arrendis
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
55
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:55:00 -
[320] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent.
And legal departments to tell them why they need training budgets to prevent the kind of appearance of impropriety that this creates. From a business standpoint, it's not even about 'did you do anything illegal or unethical?' it's about 'did you give any appearance of doing anything illegal or unethical that might damage our reputation with the customer base?' |
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
744
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Posted - 2013.09.28 00:40:00 -
[321] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:What makes this Somer guy special? Wasn't Somer Blink one of the sponsors of Eve Las Vegas?
Some Random Guy in Jita Local wrote:I am surprised that Goons would misrepresent facts to complain about a situation in which they are not the sole beneficiary. Truly.
Bob is the god of Wormholes.
That's all you need to know. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
409
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Posted - 2013.09.28 01:14:00 -
[322] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:What makes this Somer guy special? Wasn't Somer Blink one of the sponsors of Eve Las Vegas? Some Random Guy in Jita Local wrote:I am surprised that Goons would misrepresent facts to complain about a situation in which they are not the sole beneficiary. Truly. Johnny Marzetti wrote:This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent. And day care centers, don't forget the day care centers.
My favorite thing about this post is how you probably thought it was pretty clever when you wrote it and, looking back, you probably still think it's pretty clever now. That's my favorite thing about this post, and my favorite thing about you.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4639
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:01:00 -
[323] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:This is the kind of thing serious real world companies actually have training budgets to prevent. And legal departments to tell them why they need training budgets to prevent the kind of appearance of impropriety that this creates. From a business standpoint, it's not even about 'did you do anything illegal or unethical?' it's about 'did you give any appearance of doing anything illegal or unethical that might damage our reputation with the customer base?' Poor old t20 must be crying.
He would have not only gotten away with it if it was now, it would be trillions going to a truly good cause, such as a coalition that exists to destroy gsf There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:22:00 -
[324] - Quote
I like when goons give away Their supers, and titans, they leave floating in random pos's but hey thats just me |
Lex Manrider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:32:00 -
[325] - Quote
The shady part starts when CCP supports someone who accepts GTC to obtain coins to participate in his events. Exchange of blinks for isks would be perfectly fine, exchange of GTC for blinks and you have the opportunity for RMT right there.
So let me get this straight this Somer guy runs his little penny auction esque game, allows people to pay with GTC something that can be legally purchased for money to obtain his own game currency which he can create in infinite numbers and only would have to convert back into isks if people demand a payout, all the while he would be able to resell those GTC for real life money.
Normally he would need to sell some of those GTC for isks to make sure his isks pile is big enough to allow any rebuy of his gaming coins vs isks.
Now CCP comes along donates him unique ships worth trillions of isks to offer in these penny auctions, which means he does not have to provide an isks backup since CCP gave them to him for free, now since those are unique ships there will be a great influx of people trying to participate guaranteeing lots of isks and GTC to be converted for game coins.
Since the prices are donate what prevents him for keeping the isks selling the GTCs for real life cash and making a fortune out of it? A feat which can be easily done unless CCP keeps a very very close eye on any isks and GTC used to buy blink coins.
So in a nutshell CCP hands one guy several trillion isks and potentially real life profit, for what? Because someone at CCP likes him?
This makes the T20 affair look like child plays. I wonder how after 10 years some people at CCP are still this gullible and clueless.
So they (CCP) said that they think its pretty safe but they can not guarantee any abuse (LOL), well then how about CCP refrains from any action that might result in a massive suspicion of favoritism on top of possible RMT and stay the hell out of endeavors like this.
By that definition Goonswarm and Test should be given free unique ships for the content they provided during the last half a year let alone the numerous press articles about the 4000 people battle. Oh right that can-¦t happen since it would be FAVORITISM! |
Hemmo Paskiainen
425
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:54:00 -
[326] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
288
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Posted - 2013.09.28 09:16:00 -
[327] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
There was an exploit? How many people got banned over it? I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 |
Riyal
Fluffles Inc. xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
115
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Posted - 2013.09.28 09:20:00 -
[328] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
Because a large alliance organising themselves to attack and then defend space containing valuable moons, building stations and erecting towers with suitable defences, and then arranging logistics routes to move and sell the resulting stuffs to the market is the same as a CCP dev spawning incredibly rare items out of thin air?
The last time this happened the CSM was formed.
How about a custom bee shaped ship BPO for Goonswarm? |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
445
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Posted - 2013.09.28 13:22:00 -
[329] - Quote
nm |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1205
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:52:00 -
[330] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit
We spent most of that generating content. Time for resupply. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth |
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Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
536
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:44:00 -
[331] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.
As much as goons like to try and insult on these forums.. I really really like this post. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
536
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:48:00 -
[332] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:Observe a media counter action being launched.
Trying to put CCP in good light by showing an even more evil organisation.
Nice try, but everyone knows that CCP is controlled by Grroons anyway ;)
Clockwork Pineapple are some cool guys wtf. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5807
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:58:00 -
[333] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome. CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit Pubbie logic. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
748
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:46:00 -
[334] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:My favorite thing about this post is how you probably thought it was pretty clever when you wrote it and, looking back, you probably still think it's pretty clever now. That's my favorite thing about this post, and my favorite thing about you.
My favorite thing about you is that you have a favorite thing about me.
It just seems so speshul.... Bob is the god of Wormholes.
That's all you need to know. |
Crom Domison
3-Strikes Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:56:00 -
[335] - Quote
How did my thread get locked but not this one?! LOL CCP THIS IS NOT EQUALITY OF OUTCOME! xD |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:13:00 -
[336] - Quote
I support the OP of this thread in many ways. Please give Goons the same favoritism shown to your internal scam known as SOMER.blink. Everyone knows its CCP already.
Thank you.
Sol
The Savior of EVE https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205546&find=unread |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
406
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:54:00 -
[337] - Quote
Nah, ccps plan is fine as is, plus goons are in decline, a stagnant empire to say the least. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2402
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:17:00 -
[338] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.
I would much rather see the stuff announced to go to blink go to goonswarm. Regardless of what folks say about them they actually use the game to make real game content. CCP, as I said in a different thread reward folks that create game experience within the sandbox as intended. Not some other folks working for personal gain because someone at CCP thinks they are shiny!
Consider this BEEP signing the give the swag to content creators petition.
Issler |
Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
8
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:02:00 -
[339] - Quote
No to Favoritism.
Bump. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
408
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:19:00 -
[340] - Quote
Ccp shouldn't be giving items to anyone for the sake of balance. Id rather throw my isk away than give it to goons though... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:05:00 -
[341] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I would much rather see the stuff announced to go to blink go to goonswarm. ... Consider this BEEP signing the give the swag to content creators petition. I'd rather CCP didn't spawn items for any group of players (short of CCP-organized events, i.e. Alliance Tournament prizes are okay). I'm fine with them flying blinged-out ships through space for everyone to shoot; at least that one is transparent and everyone can participate. I'm not fine with them just handing out expensive (or not-so-expensive) stuff to arbitrarily selected people. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
210
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:06:00 -
[342] - Quote
can't argue with your logic :) you have my axe |
Tea Leaves
Abyssus Spatium Exploratorium The Big Dirty
11
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:36:00 -
[343] - Quote
I think OP should hang himself from the tallest object that can be found with the shortest rope available. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:01:00 -
[344] - Quote
Mac Zehn wrote:CCP please give me a Ishukone Scorpion so i can lose it in a hilarious Guristas ratting accident I managed to get my hands on one. It's beautiful and nice for ship spinning. But I will NEVER undock it again EVER... Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2013.09.29 14:08:00 -
[345] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Nah, ccps plan is fine as is, plus goons are in decline, a stagnant empire to say the least.
Yep, stagnant empire alright. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation/stats
Are you confusing us with test? http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Test_Alliance_Please_Ignore/stats
Or yourself? http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/White_Mountain_Coalition/stats |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1238
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Posted - 2013.09.29 14:17:00 -
[346] - Quote
I assume he's just referring to your hygienic habits, not your galacto-political influence. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
409
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Posted - 2013.09.29 14:59:00 -
[347] - Quote
I never claimed greatness, all I see is goons being reduced to metagaming in order to get the shiny stuff that somer blink has been allocated by CCP. That's why you are a stagnant empire, if you've got to resort to **** like that not only are you stagnant, but you've proved that you are past your peak and in decline. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Xeen Du'Wang
Knights of the Black Watch
6
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:17:00 -
[348] - Quote
Regardless of any of the nonsense bullshit empire crap...
IT IS ******* BULLSHIT THAT CCP IS GIVING TRILLIONS TO BLINK
T20 all over again, but this time they are bragging about it. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:21:00 -
[349] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:goons being reduced to metagaming
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:if you've got to resort to **** like that not only are you stagnant, but you've proved that you are past your peak and in decline. Truly, Goonswarm has never been one to metagame in the past |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1238
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:23:00 -
[350] - Quote
While I might like the overall idea of main post, not because of fairness of fake internet honor, I have to not really like the hole content of main post.
I do understand the idea behind it, I think I do but I'm not completely sure, however it's all about pixels and spaceships destruction. If this brings more spaceships destruction, scams, ganks and whatever the heck meta behind it, I'm all for it. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
766
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:33:00 -
[351] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds. What more would we need? Wow, I thought getting a jump on expansions was enough of a gift from CCP. I thought game changes that play to Goon strength was enough. But it seems your greedy pie holes need more to be satisfied.
CCP, give the Goons all that they ask for...and more. Just make it on one condition. Give it to them on their own server. Based on their posts the only ones that can satisfy them is...them. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5814
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:51:00 -
[352] - Quote
You don't understand us at all if you think we're trying to gain CCP's favoritism the way SOMER Blink did. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:22:00 -
[353] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:I never claimed greatness, all I see is goons being reduced to metagaming in order to get the shiny stuff that somer blink has been allocated by CCP. That's why you are a stagnant empire, if you've got to resort to **** like that not only are you stagnant, but you've proved that you are past your peak and in decline.
This thread is like flypaper for illiterates. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
636
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:37:00 -
[354] - Quote
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Thread locked, and an offensive post edited.. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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