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Silex Vulcanos Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:40:00 - [31] - Quote I don't know what all the panic is about. It's not like Goons have ever done anything to disrupt the peaceful lives of hisec carebears...
Jackie Arkaral Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:40:00 - [32] - Quote At the very least they should require some sort of faction standings similiar to Hi-Sec Pos.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 248	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:41:00 - [33] - Quote Chad Wylder wrote: So eventually most HS planets will either have a POCO for a nullsec alliance that isn't actually running PI, just collecting taxes This is fantastic news. If we make enough from our highsec POCOs hopefully we can initiate a pogrom on our renters.
Suzuka A1 Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation 5	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:45:00 - [34] - Quote I hear CFC renters can choose their own PI taxes. CCP seems to be pushing people into 0.0 Never forget the battle of Z9PP-H-á What actually happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcUwTmHY74 Battle Report: http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?42836-They-Might-Be-Giants-The-Southwest&p=497626&viewfull=1#post497626
Zombie Assassin2 Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:48:00 - [35] - Quote How high of a price can you put on tears ? We will see soon.
Krios Ahzek GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 926	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:49:00 - [36] - Quote Suzuka A1 wrote: I hear CFC renters can choose their own PI taxes. CCP seems to be pushing people into 0.0 That is true. 0% tax factory planets are very profitable. Rent your own PBLRD system today. -áThough All Men Do Despise Us
Chad Wylder Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.09.26 21:52:00 - [37] - Quote Rhes wrote: Chad Wylder wrote: So eventually most HS planets will either have a POCO for a nullsec alliance that isn't actually running PI, just collecting taxes This is fantastic news. If we make enough from our highsec POCOs hopefully we can initiate a pogrom on our renters. Makes me wonder if there might be a way to get the renters to front the cost for all those HS POCOs for a lowered/waived rental fee for a period of time. I have no idea if said renters could setup the POCOs in the alliance's name or if they'd just have to pay the cost for them upfront though. Also not sure it'd be necessary. I imagine you guys are pretty ok on ISK. But something to consider I guess. Or wait, can you set POCO taxes based on standings? If so you could probably have HS renters. (pay a fee per week/month for 0% taxes on PI. Fees paid per system) Like mining permits, but for PI. Everyone else is just locked out from doing PI with those POCOs. (I think you can do that, right?)
Maegor Stark Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 7	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:00:00 - [38] - Quote who does high-sec PI anyways? Might as well just scratch your balls and hope ISK drops to the floor. That **** is evne worse than mining.
Red Templar Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation 249	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:00:00 - [39] - Quote Well high sec players are gonna try and siphon null moons. And null will be siphoning POCOs. Lets see who wins! Though im pretty sure that EC- gate campers are gonna come on top in this transaction either way. For Love. For Peace. For Honor. For None of the Above. For Pony!
Krios Ahzek GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 926	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:05:00 - [40] - Quote Maegor Stark wrote: who does high-sec PI anyways? Might as well just scratch your balls and hope ISK drops to the floor. That **** is evne worse than mining. Nearly everyone who runs factory planets. -áThough All Men Do Despise Us

Grozen Titan Core 13	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:07:00 - [41] - Quote Maegor Stark wrote: who does high-sec PI anyways? Might as well just scratch your balls and hope ISK drops to the floor. That **** is evne worse than mining. One of the reasons for that is the huge taxes, if taxes are low its a decent income with 5+ skills and few chars. knowledge is power.
Herpp Derpp Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:15:00 - [42] - Quote Themick Mccoy wrote: Jackie Arkaral wrote: AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere. What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems. Stop being lazy and go shoot the offending poco(s)? It's not realistically possible to shut down every system in highsec. That is too many planets to cover. Added to watchlist
Omarosas Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans 1	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:28:00 - [43] - Quote Grozen wrote: Jackie Arkaral wrote: AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere. What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems. then we will just have to adapt to the new prices, which also mean modules which said alliances use will become as expensive as the taxes they put on carebears.So its a win win situation nobody has the upper hand. Yeah, because high sec PI gives a lot more than in null sec. lol
Jagzeh Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:58:00 - [44] - Quote But we have a plan... A plan so cunning, you could stick a tail on it, and call it a weasel!
Kaivar Lancer General Exports 280	Posted - 2013.09.27 00:25:00 - [45] - Quote Wow. CCP buffs null-sec bears again.
bigbillthaboss3 Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 58	Posted - 2013.09.27 01:30:00 - [46] - Quote What is this about HighSec PI ?
Ivan Krividus Straightedge and Compass Industrial 15	Posted - 2013.09.27 01:35:00 - [47] - Quote Jackie Arkaral wrote: AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere. What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems. theyll waste ALL their money wardeccing hundreds of corperations and wasting tons and tons of time and resources to kill each POCO. And they will be spread out through empire, so some people may be able to fight a war
Marcus Trial Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2013.09.27 02:11:00 - [48] - Quote Kaivar Lancer wrote: Wow. CCP buffs null-sec bears again. And another hisec bear is bitching. C'mon, keep the tears flowing. On another note: if indeed all hisec POCOs are going to be "divvied up" between the oh so big and bad nullsec power blocks, as the op is suggesting, this may be an opportunity for lowsec corps to make some more ISK. Take a look at POCO taxes near your border to hisec after the great reshuffle, set your own POCOs to 2% below (or 10%-25% below if taxes are set to a ridiculous value). Check how many hisec bears are willing to do their PI on your planets. Fine tune taxes, watch the ISK flow.
Scooter McCabe SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 289	Posted - 2013.09.27 02:20:00 - [49] - Quote Jackie Arkaral wrote: AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere. What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems. I want to personally take the time to assure you that this would simply never happen. Its a complete logistical impossibility and horribly time consuming. It would require completely soulless person who enjoys sowing misery with little to no explanation why. Then you would need a few thousand of them since one guy can't do it alone. One big fat neck beard or one who has recently lost a lot of weight by eating ham and has recently dressed up as an admiral or commodore. So it would have to start with a guy like that getting orders from some kind of person who likes yoga, dire wolves and a love hate relationship with Jaegermeister. Okay so you would need that combo going and then thousands of sadistic mischief makers to follow along. Of course then there is the entire logistical impossibility of wiping out all the POCOs and putting in place new POCOs so Hi Sec pays a hefty levy or Imperial Tax if you will. I mean to do this would be like shutting down Ice mining in Hi Sec and making a bunch of sniveling virgins cry loud enough to CCP to get mining ships a resistance buff so they can sit in front of a computer humping a rock. Ironic if you think about it because while they hump that rock their genitalia is atrophying from blood flow restrictions caused by a sedentary lifestyle and radiation from your laptop that you shouldn't actually sit in your lap stupid. So now that you are done realizing "oh my God they are shriveled!" I just want to reaffirm that no entity in this game would want to wipe out POCOs purely for the fun of it and such a logistical feat would require a veritable swarm of neck beards. If such a group was around you have to ask yourself: *Is it better to be at the right hand of the devil or in his path?* Did I mention we rent now?
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Pirate Nation. 107	Posted - 2013.09.27 07:05:00 - [50] - Quote When I hard this was coming I thought hmmmm, what could the Goons do, and it was damn obvious to me that even the exceptionally organised and talented Goons or even the entire CFC would not be able to take and control all of the POCO's in HS, its just not possible. And anyway even if they did, keeping them would be a real problem. The only question I have is in terms of the mechanics, I have heard that shooting them will not invoke a Concord response, but what if you are shootingf the shooters, does that get a Concord response, or do the people shooting the POCO get a criminal flag, which makes it rather interesting. When I heard this I was wondering how it would work within the war dec system, so the actual mechanics in terms of aggro need to have been thought through before deciding on this, so please enlighten us fast.. As for you High Sec bears, if the CFC was to grab a large slice of the POCO's, just wait until they deploy and then RF the lot of them, you wanted a way to get back at them, there you have it, though with the criminal flag you may well have HS griefer corps queuing up around POCO's as soon as you started, the permutations are endless. I think a lot of fun is possible... EDIT: Just thought of a key question, if CCP made it possible to have multiple POCO's then we are talking fun fun fun in that this makes it much better... If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it.

Mhax Arthie 126	Posted - 2013.09.27 08:53:00 - [51] - Quote Scooter McCabe wrote: .... Did I mention we rent now? Now that you mention it, cant wait for the new poco rent adverts: "Are you a fat Jita trader that like doing PI with no sweat? Good! We can rent you a poco anywhere around any major trade hub for only 9,99% tax! PS: Just ignore those siphon modules around the poco's, they are actually beacons to help you find your way"
Starrakatt Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 35	Posted - 2013.09.27 10:08:00 - [52] - Quote EVERY Hisec Mercs/Griefer will just love to see more Nulbears come on their turf playing with POCOs. EVERY carebear having a small fiber of PVP in them will want a piece of the pie. I do not believe a 'single' nulsec entity owning all of Hisec POCOs, as it has been said, it is just not logistically possible. Maybe some regions of space, yes, I can picture this. Also, funny number of Structure mails about POCOs being shot at.
Mhax Arthie 126	Posted - 2013.09.27 10:30:00 - [53] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: EVERY Hisec Mercs/Griefer will just love to see more Nulbears come on their turf playing with POCOs. EVERY carebear having a small fiber of PVP in them will want a piece of the pie. I do not believe a 'single' nulsec entity owning all of Hisec POCOs, as it has been said, it is just not logistically possible. Maybe some regions of space, yes, I can picture this. Also, funny number of Structure mails about POCOs being shot at. One of those "nullbear" alliances just wiped out the whole south-west side of EVE map and you think they will be scared about some hi sec pirate/mercenary gangs? Really?
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1137	Posted - 2013.09.27 10:36:00 - [54] - Quote Being scared is not an issue. Having to run 50+ jumps through hisec (no JBs, no titan bridges) every time any 10-man gang decides to take a potshot at one of their POCOs would get boring really fast. Realistically even the entire CFC isn't able to effectively project power over all of highsec on such scale. This isn't fighting a concentrated war in a single region against a single large entity. We're talking about swatting every single fly living in highsec. Even if no single highsec corp stands a chance in a direct fight, if the "combined forces of highsec" reinforce 10 POCOs in different corners of space every day, we can only defend so many until it's not worth the effort.
Mhax Arthie 126	Posted - 2013.09.27 12:03:00 - [55] - Quote There is no point to control the whole hi sec poco's, but only those that generates big profits. If your doing PI in hi sec further than 5 jump away from any main trade hub, your doing it wrong.
Scooter McCabe SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 296	Posted - 2013.09.27 14:19:00 - [56] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: EVERY Hisec Mercs/Griefer will just love to see more Nulbears come on their turf playing with POCOs. EVERY carebear having a small fiber of PVP in them will want a piece of the pie. I do not believe a 'single' nulsec entity owning all of Hisec POCOs, as it has been said, it is just not logistically possible. Maybe some regions of space, yes, I can picture this. Also, funny number of Structure mails about POCOs being shot at. If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5044	Posted - 2013.09.27 15:52:00 - [57] - Quote The Wheel Of Misfortune has determined that today's highsec taxes will be ... "EXTORTIONATE"!
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5044	Posted - 2013.09.27 15:52:00 - [58] - Quote forecast for tomorrow is "CRIPPLING"
Starrakatt Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 35	Posted - 2013.09.27 18:20:00 - [59] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Being scared is not an issue. Having to run 50+ jumps through hisec (no JBs, no titan bridges) every time any 10-man gang decides to take a potshot at one of their POCOs would get boring really fast. Realistically even the entire CFC isn't able to effectively project power over all of highsec on such scale. This isn't fighting a concentrated war in a single region against a single large entity. We're talking about swatting every single fly living in highsec. Even if no single highsec corp stands a chance in a direct fight, if the "combined forces of highsec" reinforce 10 POCOs in different corners of space every day, we can only defend so many until it's not worth the effort. This. ^ ^ Especially considering defensive fleets roaming Hisec from POCO to POCO are not in 0.0 doing what they usually do. Also, such ).) gangs/fleet will get blueballed all the times since this is Hisec and NPC stations. Boring, VERY quickly. Also, I been a Nulbear myself, now reformed into Hisec wannabee PvPer, and not ashamed about it! \o/ So, thinking that a big nulsec entity will have the time and/or ressources to deal with constant Hisec POCO harrassment is unrealistic. But as I said, small sectors of Hisec could possibly controlled by said Nulsec entities (staging systems/constellations). Also Hisec entities, enough big FW alliances/Corps to manage that in their chosen Hisec home systems and surroundings. Also, will attract fights, which is good from a PVP viewpoint.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2625	Posted - 2013.09.27 20:07:00 - [60] - Quote Jackie Arkaral wrote: AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere. What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems. You could get together with some friends and retake the POCO...



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