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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:06:00 -
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Dear CCP,
You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed.
Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.
Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you:
http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions
I never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!
I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam!
That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again.
Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit.
And since I refuse to become a SomerSuckerGäó I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink.
But it is still a scam.
The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again.
If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate.
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
GÇöMark Twain |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3624
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:09:00 -
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The only winning move is not to play.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:12:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote: The only winning move is not to play.
Precisely. |

mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
534
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:13:00 -
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Blink and Penny Auctions are entirely different models.
Blink isn't a "scam", it's a casino. The amount you win over a long enough time frame is guaranteed to be lower than the input isk. Extra devious is the bit where players are "better off" if they redeem more blink credit and keep grinding their isk away in the Blink system until it's gone.
Without any scamming component, they can still make trillions and trillions by running things legitimately. If I were running blink and trying to extract as much profit as possible, I wouldn't scam their beautiful business model or loyal customers in any way, shape, or form. Only if Blink was suddenly put out of business somehow would I take the deposits. Simply put, they don't need to scam, they make the most profit with the casino model. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1567
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:15:00 -
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I find it amusing that you assume they got 'scammed.' I'm more inclined to think that CCP doesn't give a ****. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:15:00 -
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Xaen wrote:Dear CCP, You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed. Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you: http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions
I never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam! That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again. Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit. And since I refuse to become a SomerSuckerGäó I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink. But it is still a scam.The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again. If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate. It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.GÇöMark Twain
Read this folks and let it sink in, both Xaen and Mark Twain are spot on the money here. Blink is a cleverly designed variation on the penny auction system, and CCP has no business directly enriching and vouching for the honesty of Player organisations. |

Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:18:00 -
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Just because some people fail to understand a system does not make it a scam. |

Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:18:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Blink and Penny Auctions are entirely different models. Blink is closer to a slot machine.
Blink isn't a "scam", it's a casino. The amount you win over a long enough time frame is guaranteed to be lower than the input isk. Extra devious is the bit where players are "better off" if they redeem more blink credit and keep grinding their isk away in the Blink system until it's gone.
Without any scamming component, they can still make trillions and trillions by running things legitimately. If I were running blink and trying to extract as much profit as possible, I wouldn't scam their beautiful business model or loyal customers in any way, shape, or form. Only if Blink was suddenly put out of business somehow would I take the deposits. Simply put, they don't need to scam, they make the most profit with the casino model.
Penny auction scheme are casino like, they are not Scams in the Victor Lustig sense but certainly are in the P. T. Barnum sense. |

Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
32
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:26:00 -
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Posting From Underbridge wrote:Just because some people fail to understand a system does not make it a scam. Added you to my list of EasyMarksGäó |

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
69
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:31:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote: The only winning move is not to play.
I don't intent to play. My time is better spent actually earning isk. Might be a scam - might not. Either way, I'll never know. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |

Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
35
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:34:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Doc Fury wrote: The only winning move is not to play.
I don't intent to play. My time is better spent actually earning isk. Might be a scam - might not. Either way, I'll never know. You win by not playing Somer Blink. You lose by playing Somer blink.
Congrats, you're winning right along side me!
You don't even have to do anything! |

Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:40:00 -
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I fail to see the issue.
Everybody knows it's a lottery/casino and some think it's a scam, as one could consider casino/lottery as scams.
I find it weird to see you think CCP doesn't know who they are dealing with. I also find it weird that you believe that CCP doesn't know what they are doing. Obviously they knew beforehand that SOMER will let players gamble for these items.
Obviously they knew they'll that SOMER will profit from that, too.
The fact that they did this in the first place, though ... well, i have no idea.
You neither.
Hopefully they have.
*shrugs* |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
241
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:41:00 -
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Welp, CCP got scammed by a player organization. It was bound to happen eventually I suppose. |

Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:42:00 -
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Oh and i'd like to point out that most of those who complain about favouritism wouldn't have done so if it was them receiving free stuff to make profit off.
Oh my, how can i think so badly about you ... |

Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:42:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Welp, CCP got scammed by a player organization. It was bound to happen eventually I suppose. Do you have any proof that CCP didn't actually know what they were doing and didn't actually approach SOMER on itself ? |

45thtiger 0109
The Mockers AO
15
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:47:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:Xaen wrote:Dear CCP, You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed. Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you: http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctionsI never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam! That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again. Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit. And since I refuse to become a SomerSuckerGäó I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink. But it is still a scam.The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again. If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate. It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.GÇöMark Twain Read this folks and let it sink in, both Xaen and Mark Twain are spot on the money here. Blink is a cleverly designed variation on the penny auction system, and CCP has no business directly enriching and vouching for the honesty of Player organisations.
How the hell can Somer Blink scam when people invest ISK not RL money.
I have won more sub caps in somer blink than I have invested isk which I am ahead.
You better get the facts right before you get into trouble either by CCP or Somer Blink.
Because you are faming CCP & Somer Blink
Thats my two cents worth.
I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
37
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:50:00 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:Cierra Royce wrote:Xaen wrote:Dear CCP, You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed. Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you: http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctionsI never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam! That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again. Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit. And since I refuse to become a SomerSuckerGäó I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink. But it is still a scam.The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again. If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate. It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.GÇöMark Twain Read this folks and let it sink in, both Xaen and Mark Twain are spot on the money here. Blink is a cleverly designed variation on the penny auction system, and CCP has no business directly enriching and vouching for the honesty of Player organisations. How the hell can Somer Blink scam when people invest ISK not RL money. I have won more sub caps in somer blink than I have invested isk which I am ahead. You better get the facts right before you get into trouble either by CCP or Somer Blink. Because you are faming CCP & Somer Blink Thats my two cents worth.
Read the quote again.
You're in my list of easy marks now.
Fly "safe"! |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
243
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:51:00 -
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Look, CCP has a record of doing pants on head stupid things every now and then.
Some examples: Incarna :18 Months: Nex Store $1000 Jeans T20
When CCP makes a mistake, you have to jam it down their throats, because they will stand by their stupidity to the last. Don't believe me? Google: eve $1000 jeans. Look at all of the statements by CCP Zulu. Hell, here's the first thing that pops up.
The last time things got :CCP: stupid, Eve lost a ton of subscribers and has only recently recovered. Personally, I don't want eve to go down that road again.
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Oh and i'd like to point out that most of those who complain about favouritism wouldn't have done so if it was them receiving free stuff to make profit off.
Oh my, how can i think so badly about you ... That's actually kinda the whole point. You're so close to getting it, and yet... |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
135
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:55:00 -
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The universal truth about casinos is that they're all, in a way, a "scam".
That's because in the end the house always wins. If it didn't, nobody would run them as a business, since they wouldn't turn a profit.
The winning move isn't not to play, is to know when to cash out. If, by the end your wallet has more than you invested - congratulations, you've made the good move. The significant difference between blink and a penny auction is the fact that blink is a lottery.
In an auction, there's a necessity to outbid to win at all. If you don't do that, you are guaranteed to lose, and in this case - lose money already invested. In a lottery, investment merely increases your odds of success when the numbers are drawn. It's a simple game of chance and your entry ticket will not be rendered void by someone putting more money on the line.
Now I'm not saying SOMER.Blink is 100% legitimate, since it's not transparent to the public. They could be rigging the lottery, they could be using shills - not like anyone's going to investigate. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Filthy Bastards
1514
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:09:00 -
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So what your saying is all casinos in the world are scams?
And even if Somer Blink did just take the ships for themselves it would: 1. Be terrible for business 2. CCP would probably shrug it off and say "Scams are a part of EVE, plus the ships are now part of the EVE universe again." You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |

Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
39
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:09:00 -
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$1000 jeans?!?
I missed that.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
11
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:10:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Blink and Penny Auctions are entirely different models. Blink is closer to a slot machine.
Blink isn't a "scam", it's a casino. The amount you win over a long enough time frame is guaranteed to be lower than the input isk. Extra devious is the bit where players are "better off" if they redeem more blink credit and keep grinding their isk away in the Blink system until it's gone.
Without any scamming component, they can still make trillions and trillions by running things legitimately. If I were running blink and trying to extract as much profit as possible, I wouldn't scam their beautiful business model or loyal customers in any way, shape, or form. Only if Blink was suddenly put out of business somehow would I take the deposits. Simply put, they don't need to scam, they make the most profit with the casino model. The scam is in achievement credits. The free credit you get conceals just how much you are consistently losing. Then achievements dry up but you're too hooked to notice and stopped keeping track of your actual wins and losses. The blink stats are also designed in a way that lies to you without displaying false numbers to artificially inflate win rates and results. |

Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
39
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:10:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:So what your saying is all casinos in the world are scams?
Just like palmistry and tarot card reading they are I think required by law to disclose that they are "for entertainment only" which is the laws way of saying, "This is a scam, idiot." |

Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
39
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:10:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:mechtech wrote:Blink and Penny Auctions are entirely different models. Blink is closer to a slot machine.
Blink isn't a "scam", it's a casino. The amount you win over a long enough time frame is guaranteed to be lower than the input isk. Extra devious is the bit where players are "better off" if they redeem more blink credit and keep grinding their isk away in the Blink system until it's gone.
Without any scamming component, they can still make trillions and trillions by running things legitimately. If I were running blink and trying to extract as much profit as possible, I wouldn't scam their beautiful business model or loyal customers in any way, shape, or form. Only if Blink was suddenly put out of business somehow would I take the deposits. Simply put, they don't need to scam, they make the most profit with the casino model. The scam is in achievement credits. The free credit you get conceals just how much you are consistently losing. Then achievements dry up but you're too hooked to notice and stopped keeping track of your actual wins and losses. The blink stats are also designed in a way that lies to you without displaying false numbers to artificially inflate win rates and results. this man gets it. |

Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
11
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:11:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:CCP has no business directly enriching and vouching for the honesty of Player organisations. This is really the core of the matter. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
527
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:18:00 -
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Well real life lottos are scams.
You are more likley to die in a car accident than win the jackpot. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

iskflakes
698
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:22:00 -
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Blink is indeed a scam in the same way a casino is a scam -- long term, you are guaranteed to lose money as long as you play normal blinks.
What makes this scam particularly clever is some people DO make a profit on blink from playing the promos. For every person who plays the promos and wins big, 10 of their friends sign up, deposit a billion, lose it, then decide blink isn't for them.
About the recent blink prizes, I don't think any player group should be endorsed with unique items. How would we feel if CCP declared Goonswarm Federation to be the official EVE alliance, and sponsored them with Gold Magnates?
CCP, if you want to giveaway unique ships then run your own lottery. If you want to endorse third party sites, give them affiliate marketing agreements so they can cover their real costs. If you want to anger your fanbase, give one specific group of players some unearned unique items that nobody else can ever have (bonus points if you reintroduce an old item to screw over long time collectors too). - |

Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
8
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:23:00 -
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Yeah its a simple lottery.. I chuck in some isk, win some lose some..
Keeps my flying my pvp frigs and that is all I care about.. I have pretty much garbage skills for ratting, so I will rather loot a few wreaks get some isk chuck in into Blink win some isk to buy a new frig when mine goes pop |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9059
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:43:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:How would we feel if CCP declared Goonswarm Federation to be the official EVE alliance, and sponsored them with Gold Magnates?
Surreal Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
28
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:54:00 -
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iskflakes wrote: How would we feel if CCP declared Goonswarm Federation to be the official EVE alliance, and sponsored them with Gold Magnates?
I shouldn't like that much, either, but at least I have heard of the Goons. I never heard of Blink Somer before this controversy arose, but I imagine that now they will be well known to everyone, and even more isk will flow in their direction.
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