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Spaced Skunk
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:52:00 -
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This is a slight complaint thread...EW seems to be the decisive factor to a lot of my 1v1 matches. I hate it..the fact that I cant fight back and warp jam the person I am fighting is annoying..all you are is a punching bag. The modules to combat EW personally are just stupid..I aint gonna use a med slot or low for a backup module that will only decrease the chance of getting jammed by half.
This isnt a thread where I am gonna ask to nerf EW, I want to get other sides of the story, and also see if other people think its annoying and spoils PVP gameplay. Thats my opinion anyway.
Psycarne > EW modules should take 5000 CPU to fit,
and EW ships should get a CPU reduction bonus like
strip miners
^ I think thats a good idea if it was ever to be changed.
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Plim
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Posted - 2006.01.18 16:58:00 -
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This person is correct :)
EW should be limited to EW ships, having effective EW on all ships with over 2 med slots is unbalanced. Also as non-EW specific ships do not get an optimal bonus they can effectively jam at close range.
It encourages people to use stabs as they know they are more likely to be jammed in a fight now.
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Megadon
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:07:00 -
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I disagree.
EW is literally almost used everywhere now with NPC's using very liberally. It seem that some people have a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that an EW module is as useful and justifiable as a rail gun or missile launcher.
And if you look at the number of EW modules available in the game compared to turrets and launchers, one could make the argument that EW was actually more prevelant and more appropriate to use than guns. Eve is weighed very very heavily towards EW so it's time to jump in the EW water with both feet if you haven't already. There is a lot more to counter EW than ECCM or boosters like using your own EW aggression mods.
I personally don't really care for EW but it's everywhere, so might as well use it.
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Lithiani
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:15:00 -
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Electronic Warfare is half the game - indeed, more than half. Without it, the game is just a shooting fest. it's EW in all its forms that makes the game a tactical, thinking game.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Megadon
I disagree.
EW is literally almost used everywhere now with NPC's using very liberally. It seem that some people have a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that an EW module is as useful and justifiable as a rail gun or missile launcher.
And if you look at the number of EW modules available in the game compared to turrets and launchers, one could make the argument that EW was actually more prevelant and more appropriate to use than guns. Eve is weighed very very heavily towards EW so it's time to jump in the EW water with both feet if you haven't already. There is a lot more to counter EW than ECCM or boosters like using your own EW aggression mods.
I personally don't really care for EW but it's everywhere, so might as well use it.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Spaced Skunk
This is a slight complaint thread...EW seems to be the decisive factor to a lot of my 1v1 matches.
And how many times does a genuine 1v1 actually occur? Every slot used for EW is one less that can be used for a scrambler, webber or speed gear. makes it easier to get away.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:43:00 -
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I am a big fan of EW. It adds an interesting dimension to combat. However they do require sacrifices to be made - 1 more jammer is one less tracking computer, shield hardner, shield booster, scrambler, webber, cap recharger etc.
It _can_ win you a fight, but like all things there are countermeasures.
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Spaced Skunk
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Posted - 2006.01.18 17:58:00 -
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I guess its what everyone seems to say on these forums...adapt to whatever...I aint using target jammers on most of my ships though...no way. They bore me s**tless.
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Booju
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Posted - 2006.01.18 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
I am a big fan of EW. It adds an interesting dimension to combat. However they do require sacrifices to be made - 1 more jammer is one less tracking computer, shield hardner, shield booster, scrambler, webber, cap recharger etc.
It _can_ win you a fight, but like all things there are countermeasures.
Except that the countermeasures for other EW modules (Tracking Comps / Tracking Disruptor, Sensor Booster / Remote Sensor Dampeners) give you beneficial effects when you're not getting hit by E-Warfare ECCM gives no such bonus and you only tend ot fit them if you know for sure you're going to face some ECM otherwise they're useless.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.01.18 18:23:00 -
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IMO, tracking disruptors should be taken out or have missile disruptors added or fix defenders. Caldari can bork a turret ship too easily, whereas they cant be borked.
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.01.18 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
IMO, tracking disruptors should be taken out or have missile disruptors added or fix defenders. Caldari can bork a turret ship too easily, whereas they cant be borked.
Use EW to jam the guy borking your turrets! 
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.01.18 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
This person is correct :)
EW should be limited to EW ships, having effective EW on all ships with over 2 med slots is unbalanced. Also as non-EW specific ships do not get an optimal bonus they can effectively jam at close range.
It encourages people to use stabs as they know they are more likely to be jammed in a fight now.
Oh, don't give me the stabs due to EW crap. People fit stabs no matter what. As to EW, they are free to put in a backup array, they are pretty good now.
Do you know how hard it is to jam a ship from a non-EW platform with a multispec? Add a backup array and you hardly ever get jammed.
This is to the OP:
CCP gave you legitimate tools to avoid being jammed in RMR, use em, quit whining.
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without
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Posted - 2006.01.18 22:46:00 -
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EW is overpowereed for sure tbh
but we use it intensively in pvp so dont neft it
its odd that some people who blob us and fight us are shoked at loosing. EW fTW
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.01.18 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lithiani
Electronic Warfare is half the game - indeed, more than half. Without it, the game is just a shooting fest. it's EW in all its forms that makes the game a tactical, thinking game.
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Plim
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:03:00 -
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Fitting EW to every ship with a few med slots is hardly the most sophisticated tactical element of the game.
I really think it is unbalanced, and as it stands, actually harms the tactical element of pvp. Not EW in general but the way it is currently implemented.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Fitting EW to every ship with a few med slots is hardly the most sophisticated tactical element of the game.
I really think it is unbalanced, and as it stands, actually harms the tactical element of pvp. Not EW in general but the way it is currently implemented.
You still have a choice of jammers, tracking disruptors or sensor dampeners. Jammers are chance based, and frankly the odds aren't that hot.
And of course you're trading off against scramblers, webbers, shield tanks, cap rechargers ... well lots of stuff really.
So yes, I do think it adds a tactical element. A hardener or cap recharger works against many opponents. EW only affects one.
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Lithiani
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Posted - 2006.01.19 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Booju
Except that the countermeasures for other EW modules (Tracking Comps / Tracking Disruptor, Sensor Booster / Remote Sensor Dampeners) give you beneficial effects when you're not getting hit by E-Warfare ECCM gives no such bonus and you only tend ot fit them if you know for sure you're going to face some ECM otherwise they're useless.
This much is true, I'll admit (or will be, once the Sensor damp/boost stacking issue is fixed), and a good point. However, this would be a reason to alter the ECCM mods slightly, not a reason to nerf ECMs per se. It's also worth remembering that the most efficient method of ECCM use in a battlegroup situation is to use an ECCM projector module, which reduces the number of modules needed for effective ECCM coverage over the whole battlegroup by a lot, for little to no reduction in protection.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2006.01.19 01:27:00 -
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The ability to fit ECM on other ships makes this game so much more fun. Power to those who are willing to experiment and risk flying some very fragile setups if the EW isn't working out like you planned.
EVE SHOULD NEVER EVER BE BALANCED TOWARDS 1VS1
It's a rare and unrealistic form of fighting. And as a sidenote: EW suddenly doens't become all that powerfull in even smaller engagements since you'll likely be primary by more ships then you can jam...and then you either die or warp out.
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KingK0ng
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
The ability to fit ECM on other ships makes this game so much more fun. Power to those who are willing to experiment and risk flying some very fragile setups if the EW isn't working out like you planned.
EVE SHOULD NEVER EVER BE BALANCED TOWARDS 1VS1
It's a rare and unrealistic form of fighting. And as a sidenote: EW suddenly doens't become all that powerfull in even smaller engagements since you'll likely be primary by more ships then you can jam...and then you either die or warp out.
Absolutely. EW whinage is mostly done by those who went unprepared.
If you didn't have a backup array fitted, don't whine that you got pwned.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.19 21:02:00 -
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Use drones and stop caring =)
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Rusty PwnStar
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Posted - 2006.01.19 21:10:00 -
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Sounds like a 'I lost my ship to someone' whine tbh.
Some people have around 7 mil in electronics, so now you say they should only use those skills in a certain ship?
They have to nerf their setup somewhat to fit EW, there is no 'I WIN' button with EW.
Fit a backup array, you'll find we now have more lows to play with since the stacking nerf. 
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