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IDesert FoxI
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Posted - 2006.01.19 17:59:00 -
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I have heared many rumours of possible race to race warring in Kali. Now, I am a Caldari, who is in a mixed corp (mainly gal tho) which is based in Gallente space. Im settled here now, and running missions. Doing some of the recent missions (killing caldari ships and jump gates) and have noticed my standing with Caldari is now negative. Come Kali, do I need to pick up, and go back to poor quality lvl 1's in caldari space, or can I stay where I am with my lvl3-4 gallente missions?
I understand that CCP would want to keep key secrets to this, and I respect that. But could I possibly get any kind of confirmation that lets me know if i need to worry about my dropping standings? This has been bugging me for weeks now.
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Duana
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:06:00 -
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I'm basically in the same position as you, a Calderi who is doing Gallente missions. I would consider it very unfair and unlikely CCP would simply cut you off from all that you are working on. I'm sure there is a better way to handle it than that.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/01/2006 18:26:42
I doubt CCP would divide the playerbase by choice of their character race.
I'd find it much more likely that they give pod pilots (which RP-wise are more or less a community of their own rather then people with strong ties with their empires of origin), a choice.
That would mean you would most likely be making the choice for which block to support as a corp/alliance rather then person. That would make more sense to me from a gameplay point of view. I doubt CCP are aiming to break up corporations  They're more likely to want to push us to create more rather then less.
Remember, in Eve the storyline is decided by the players. CCP dont make game development decisions based on the original storyline they've written as background, but rather adapt that to the decisions they make with regard to gameplay.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Duana
I'm basically in the same position as you, a Calderi who is doing Gallente missions. I would consider it very unfair and unlikely CCP would simply cut you off from all that you are working on. I'm sure there is a better way to handle it than that.
You sir/mrs have an exellent signature.
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:26:00 -
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You can do whatever you want, traitors.
Just don't expect there to be all funshiney things waiting for you back in the homeworlds.
But seriously, your in-game activities should yield in-game results. If you've opted to run missions impacting standing with any given corp/faction then expect that at some point you'll make some friends - as well as enemies. At least I hope CCP opts for consistency in this respect.
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IDesert FoxI
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ayla Vanir
You can do whatever you want, traitors.
Just don't expect there to be all funshiney things waiting for you back in the homeworlds.
Lol. I'm sorry, I've been ****ed around quite a bit, originally following a caldari corp into Amarr space, then coming down to gallente, only for one corp to disintergrate, and a few of my new found gallente friends joining the corp I'm now in. I never like shooting down caldarim honest.
Seriously tho, thanks for the responses guys, my mind is at rest a little more now :)
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:39:00 -
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well we know for sure pritty much there will be a war between mimmatar+gallente alliance vs ammar+caldari alliance apart from that things are been kept underwraps
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Duana
I'm basically in the same position as you, a Calderi who is doing Gallente missions. I would consider it very unfair and unlikely CCP would simply cut you off from all that you are working on. I'm sure there is a better way to handle it than that.
You sir/mrs have an exellent signature.
Agreed. I just sat and watched it jiggle for ages there ^^;
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Svetlana Scarlet
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Duana
I'm basically in the same position as you, a Calderi who is doing Gallente missions. I would consider it very unfair and unlikely CCP would simply cut you off from all that you are working on. I'm sure there is a better way to handle it than that.
Obviously, you must launch a seed pod into the crust of Gallente Prime to promote the spread of the Juffo-Wup.
Love the sig. :) Though I like the dialogue you can get if you're lucky....
"I think I have some of your cousins between my toes."
"Juffo-Wup is strong in this place."
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:46:00 -
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The information we've received at the fanfest and in EON suggests that Rod's explanation is most likely, I am 100% sure you won't have to back the faction you chose as a starting race. You can't select Guristas or Blood Raiders as a starting race and they are likely to feature (the 4 empires and 4 main pirate organisations were touted as the first likely factions to be involved in factional warfare).
Personally I can't wait for Factional Warfare, just got to persuade all the Gheyllentes in BNC that backing Caldari is the way to go
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:48:00 -
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As long as I can kill Minnie's and Gallente's for the glory of the Amarr Empire I'll be happy.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:23:00 -
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Participating in faction warface is a choice, and not an obligation.
From the information in EON, any individual, corp or alliance can signup to support any faction. So a Caldari could fight for the Gallente Federation, and the reverse.
Also, we can choose between joining a faction as a loyal soldier who fight for an ideal, or only as a mercenary who fight for money. The rewards and standings are differents.
All of this may very well change in the final implementation, and is only preliminary information.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir
Participating in faction warface is a choice, and not an obligation.
From the information in EON, any individual, corp or alliance can signup to support any faction. So a Caldari could fight for the Gallente Federation, and the reverse.
Also, we can choose between joining a faction as a loyal soldier who fight for an ideal, or only as a mercenary who fight for money. The rewards and standings are differents.
All of this may very well change in the final implementation, and is only preliminary information.
Yup, this and Rod sounds about right. The way I read that article was that "factional warfare" was just some RP based storyline missions you could do or could skip. Not, Caldari Navy shooting you just because you had a high Gallente faction.
At least I hope they won't do that, with CCPs desire to shove people into 0.0, I wouldn't put it past them to use something like that to drive people out of Empire. 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:06:00 -
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By default, they'd better make the newbie corps support their base corporation.
There's no reason whatsoever for State War members to NOT be on the State's side, and it would make them find a corporation. The excuse that there isn't one out there suited for them is a ****-poor one.
For anyone *****ing about it, and saying to pay for their account then:
Ok, I'll pay for your account.
I'll then choose to not pay, and let the subs run out., but not until after you've sent me your stuff.
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I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:09:00 -
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One mans freedomfighter is the other mans terrorist
If u got a hi standing with galfed they prolly won't kick u out anyways.
But now were on that note, if u fall below say -5 with caldari, will they ban u from (some) of their systems? just wondering as my caldari state standing is definitly borked atm hehe (think it's almost -2 now  )
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Vegeir
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:15:00 -
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It seems so simple to me.
You participate not, you receive not, you suffer not.
Faction =/= Race
In the article about it there was mentioned you will have the choice to work for, or join. As in merc work or ally. Big difference.
I see some people not doing it at all.
I see some people doing gallente missions as caldari because it's local to them and they want cash.
I see some people joining up and fighting for the cause or for the reward.
The decision people need to make is not what race they are, but whether they or their character wants to profit, participate, or avoid it all. The only thing you have to lose is what you decide to risk, and or what that risk might earn you.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.20 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/01/2006 18:26:42
I doubt CCP would divide the playerbase by choice of their character race.
I'd find it much more likely that they give pod pilots (which RP-wise are more or less a community of their own rather then people with strong ties with their empires of origin), a choice.
That would mean you would most likely be making the choice for which block to support as a corp/alliance rather then person. That would make more sense to me from a gameplay point of view. I doubt CCP are aiming to break up corporations They're more likely to want to push us to create more rather then less.
Remember, in Eve the storyline is decided by the players. CCP dont make game development decisions based on the original storyline they've written as background, but rather adapt that to the decisions they make with regard to gameplay.
And this is what makes the entire war a farce. We all know Caldari will be the strongest by far since so many players chose them as their race. The relative fleet strenght, as in the rich EVE lore, is totally fudged. I just hope the Caldari will settle the war fast so we can get on with out lives in EVE.
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Calshim
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Posted - 2006.01.20 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Failin Zhar
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/01/2006 18:26:42
I doubt CCP would divide the playerbase by choice of their character race.
I'd find it much more likely that they give pod pilots (which RP-wise are more or less a community of their own rather then people with strong ties with their empires of origin), a choice.
That would mean you would most likely be making the choice for which block to support as a corp/alliance rather then person. That would make more sense to me from a gameplay point of view. I doubt CCP are aiming to break up corporations They're more likely to want to push us to create more rather then less.
Remember, in Eve the storyline is decided by the players. CCP dont make game development decisions based on the original storyline they've written as background, but rather adapt that to the decisions they make with regard to gameplay.
And this is what makes the entire war a farce. We all know Caldari will be the strongest by far since so many players chose them as their race. The relative fleet strenght, as in the rich EVE lore, is totally fudged. I just hope the Caldari will settle the war fast so we can get on with out lives in EVE.
Nah I suspect you'll find that a lot of Caldari have defected (as I have done) I moved down to Minmatar space with my Corp and I've been doing missions for them so I now have negative standings with Caldari.
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Kefra
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Posted - 2006.01.20 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
As long as I can kill Minnie's and Gallente's for the glory of the Amarr Empire I'll be happy.
You go girl!!! 
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.20 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Calshim
Nah I suspect you'll find that a lot of Caldari have defected (as I have done) I moved down to Minmatar space with my Corp and I've been doing missions for them so I now have negative standings with Caldari.
I think it's failry accurate to say the same thing about the other races as well. A substantial number of Gallente pilots have prolly also drifted away from Gallente space. The fact that the caldari player base is grossly oversized will still give the caldari too much of an advantage in a possible future war. However...I trust the lads at CCP quite a bit so I'm sure they'll manage a fun and exciting implementation of the war.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.20 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 20/01/2006 02:47:07
Pulgor hypothesized what it could be like this:
Originally by: Pulgor
So I would expect that it'll work a little something like this:
Agent: "Hi Race Traitor... I mean Pulgor. Somehow you got a positive standing with the Republic Fleet, are you interested in enlisting?"
Me: "Yeah... ok."
Agent: "Good, welcome to the Republic Fleet Private Pulgor! If you ever want to be like Fleet Commander Khaldorn Murino, you had better listen up! We have a situation in Molden Heath! The Ammatar's are trying to take it from us. We need to fuel the POS towers while our outpost gets constructed, here's the stuff you can do:
1. Mine Ice/ore
2. Haul refined product to POS towers.
3. Haul minerals to outpost construction tower.
4. Combat air patrol."
Me: "I'll take number 4."
Agent: "Okay soldier! Your first command will be a Rifter class frigate. Your shift will start as soon as you reach (Some system) and you must remain there to repel Ammatar invaders whom are trying to destroy our POS tower there. Remain alert and feel free to clean up the angel cartel raiders in the surronding area so our mineral excavators can mine in safety. Keeping peace in this system is paramount! You're a representative of the Republic Fleet now! Your shift is 30 minutes long, after it expires return to see me for a debriefing.
Also if you leave the system before your shift is over, you will be considered to have gone AWOL and will be shoot on sight to any Republic Forces, we don't take kindly to deserters."
Hit accept, get a rifter and some modules to fit it with. Mission pays some and also upon successful completion I get a note in my record that I put in 1 30 minute shift and any hostiles encountered etc.
If I do good at combat patrol I'll get commendations, medals, etc. Do bad and I am stuck in the rifter for a goodly amount of time and the shifts I get will be lower paying and in less hostile areas.
People that do really well will get to do speacial missions with aurora actors and make news etc like: "Today Admrial Lallara Zhaull of the Imperial Navy aided a large strike force in Molden Heath region and killed several Republic Fleet miners and caused significant disterbence. Eventually Fleet Commander Khaldorn Murino came on the scene, his fleet was mostly obliterated but the return strike 'caused the Amarrians to retreat for now. ACN contacted Admrial Zhaull for a statement:
'Lollerska8's! I hope u enjoy the walk of shame Khaldorn!'
Words of a victor indeed. With more strikes like this imperial anaylists are predicting Molden Heath to be reclaimed by the end of the month."
Industiral missions and hauling missions would work much the same way. Instead of combat shifts it's mineral's mined or a hauling mission with a rewards factored to be somewhat equal to one another. There would be teirs too whereby you'd get better ships. If you mine the most ore then the other guys, you get a capital mining ship, if you haul the most you get a frieghter. Take down lots of POS towers, get a dreadnaught. Things like that would be awarded at the end of champeigns though.
That's how I think it'll be because it's a lot more realistic and true to how a military works. (Which I'm sure I'll get corrected on, but atleast that's how I imagine it working.)
If it plans out to be even vaguely similar to that, it'll be the best thing to happen to EVE imho. RP PVP 4tw.
Also, just for anyone wondering, in the Cold War expansion, the Empires started annoying eachover. In RMR they started flicking at eachover. In Kali I think, it will be time to break out the bats. 
I doubt you'll be limited to any faction, so for those traitor Caldari in Gallente space, you can keep on truckin' for those Federals.
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.01.20 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 20/01/2006 02:47:07
Pulgor hypothesized what it could be like this:
Originally by: Pulgor
[cool stuff]
If it plans out to be even vaguely similar to that, it'll be the best thing to happen to EVE imho. RP PVP 4tw.
Also, just for anyone wondering, in the Cold War expansion, the Empires started annoying eachover. In RMR they started flicking at eachover. In Kali I think, it will be time to break out the bats.
I doubt you'll be limited to any faction, so for those traitor Caldari in Gallente space, you can keep on truckin' for those Federals.
(lvl 5 mish anyone?)
Obviously the ships that the fleet provides you with would be fleet issues 
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2006.01.20 03:34:00 -
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If they make this, like absolutely everything else recently in EVE, dependant on NPC standing and therefore monotonous NPC grinding I will not be a happy Caldari.
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Posted - 2006.01.20 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
If they make this, like absolutely everything else recently in EVE, dependant on NPC standing and therefore monotonous NPC grinding I will not be a happy Caldari.
Word.
I want to shoot the hell out of gallente supporters (be it born gallente, or traitor filth as the OP  )
I sure as hell DON'T want to suck Caldari agent ****.
I have no problem at all with the agents giving out PvP missions (as in the absolutely aaaaawesome scenario given by Pulgor!), and I do think that faction standings should be vital to the formula... I just don't want to grind PvE content (aka agents, the ONLY way nowadays to increase standing).
Simplest solution would be:
-Remove CONCORD; have the Faction Navy administer justice (as they do nowadays with outlaws; Navies should be beefed up though methinks)
-Kill opposed faction pilot = get a (+) to your faction's standing, get a (-) to your opponent's faction standings.
-voila.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.20 09:37:00 -
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No, it being reliant on standings would suck. I roleplay a freedom fighter right, have done for over a year. People have been roleplaying and following storyline for alot lot longer than that with their characters.
But if i was called to help the republic against scummy slavers I dont want to have to grind my arse off for weeks on end just to get standings to do it, becase a) thats boring and b) You dont get any standings for roleplaying, but its alot of effort and hard work (and fun).
However, I would like to see a restriction based on bad standings. I dont see the Amarr letting me work for them as I have blown up loads of their convoys. Or killed loads of pirate rats etc.
Overall, this idea fills me with hope and dread. One part of me thinks that this will be the saving grace roleplay has been waiting for, well, for ever really. the other part of me thinks it will turn into another grind and end up being a WOW battlegrounds fest.
And i keep hearing rumours of reduced death penalty for FW. This idea alone makes me feel ill. I RP, I also PvP. I love PvP, i dont want to have to sacrafice alot of my fun and heart pounding enjoyment to get involved in FW.
I just dont know what to think, CCP's commitment to allocating people to the story line and as such has fallen dramatically this past year or so. So based on that the outlook is not good.
However, one must live in hope no?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.20 09:50:00 -
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Personally, I'd be very disappointed if faction warfare was implemented in such a way that a Gallente who had spent two years working for Minmatar agents could just sign up to work for the Amarrians.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.20 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Personally, I'd be very disappointed if faction warfare was implemented in such a way that a Gallente who had spent two years working for Minmatar agents could just sign up to work for the Amarrians.
That's how it'll work. If you've run a lot of missions in RMR for gallente/minmatar, your standings with the Amarr and Caldari will be negative. Something tells me they won't let you work for them with negative standings.
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Fooball
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Posted - 2006.01.20 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
I doubt CCP would divide the playerbase by choice of their character race.
I doubt it as well but I can't see how they can actually get the "war" working. All the history and war etc based content in Eve is actually quite distant and dull. There's practically nothing that really touches you or is even worth reading through.
Putting the states into real war would be actually refreshing. If I was them, I would do it for real. Even though it would make a few people leave. But I would do in such a way that the mixed players can choose their sides and try to handle the special cases as well as possible.
For instance making all ships belonging to the players of the different faction (enemies!) drop tags based on the ship and pilot's skill point level and putting some NPCs to pay for it.. Whee
It would be great. Forming raiding parties to the areas of the other states. Other people camping for the raiding parties. Possibility to kill the players in high security space.
No, it wouldn't actually touch very much the carebears and the newbies if done properly. These raiding things tend to balance.. And you can fine tune what targets are allowed (for instance the rookie ships would NOT be allowed if the player didn't have at least 1 million SP.. just one idea. make the allowed ones flash red, the others not.) It wouldn't destroy markets. It would destroy markets between "incompatible" states but it would revive the inside markets and the markets to the other state in the faction.
There would be hundreds of things affected.. Lots of things that should be fine tuned so that it would be fun for most of the players. But it actually in the end sounds very very sweet idea. Divide the player base. (Of course changing would be possible, but there would be price..)
Just my thoughts.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:20:00 -
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Summary of what i feel:
Faction warfare should carry no leniency of death penalty, it should be by its very nature just as brutal if not more than the rest of EVE.
It should not hold as great rewards as 0.0 or anywhere close, because this will just achieve the same as level 4 agents.
It should not be level 4 agents +
It should be something that people look at and go, 'That is very bloody cool! i want a piece of that actions'. People should get involved because they want to get stuck in the backstory and Great Empire War (tm).
It should be open to everyone, not just RP'ers, but its prime pull should be like above.
But these are just my thoughts on how id like it to be. I get the feeling lots of people would just like level 4 missions with a twist and less death penalty. Which in my view would suck hard.
But then, what does Khal know :) We can but hope
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Kael D'mende
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kael D''mende on 20/01/2006 11:33:00
Edit: spelling :O(
Hehe.. bring it :O) Minmatar 4tw ;O)
ohh and die amarr scum
/kael
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