Create it first =3

So we just give you money and you make this game changing thing out for free? =)

I don't see your page working too be honest...

Yeah, honestly I don't know how to work out the trust issue. I think we could do it on a work-based basis. We can write up a schedule of the development process of this website. We can then create objectives that need to be completed on a time line. As each objective is completed, we receive a partial payment.

I would never do this with my clients in real life. We demand 60% up front.. but this is EVE online, and it's notorious for scammers, so I would be willing to make an exception.

Yeah, honestly I don't know how to work out the trust issue. I think we could do it on a work-based basis. We can write up a schedule of the development process of this website. We can then create objectives that need to be completed on a time line. As each objective is completed, we receive a partial payment.

I would never do this with my clients in real life. We demand 60% up front.. but this is EVE online, and it's notorious for scammers, so I would be willing to make an exception.

I'm down with what Lord said.

No one will pay a random guy upfront for a design made in paint =P

It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.

Your website & portfolio is awful!, the idea of you & your company doing this would value it very low!

On a serious side.. You spend hours creating this 'revolutionary' alliance management system (im pretty sure theres a corp management system out there) and someone will come along and make something similar, better and cheaper/free to use.

Therefor I must say "I'm Out"

I'm not sure what portfolio you're looking at since I didn't link it. I haven't been active in this game for quite awhile. Also, yes, it's true someone can emulate this system. They would have to put in about 2 months work though. It's going to be extremely complex. This isn't something some 14 year old can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXZWB_dNsw
Try again.

This all seem VERRY formiliar .. you tried doing this scam uhm scheme before on this forum ?

Since you ''don't want to '' answer my question i did a search .... and stumbled on this post off yours wich indeed is the same thing a long time ago seems i even posted in it hence prob why i remembered the ''layout'' of your OP .

I agree that it would be a complex site. My company does Project Management software, and we do a lot of complex things on our web application. Send me a message if you would like a consultant with some experience implementing something that size.

So I've proposed this before, and it didn't catch on? That was 9 months ago. I started a company since then. I hired developers since then. I've created proposals, signed contracts. I'm 17 years old, I've grown a lot since then. I'm looking at this much more professionally.

Like I said, I wouldn't ask that an investor pay any amount up front. Instead, we can write a time line, and add objectives. When each objective is completed, I would get a payment. This would ensure the project is completed, and nobody is scammed. There isn't much risk here. Just someone willing to agree to fund it because they have faith in the idea I'm selling. I encourage you to look at the idea. Read my 2nd post on this thread. I'm confident you will like my ideas. I'm not just selling a website here. I'm selling a system, and I lay out pretty specifically what features it will have.

So.

I just read the Thread about your previous attempt at this and i must say... You didn't learn anything did you?

Make the site and sell it or give up your little scam.

And before you say you aren't scamming, Can you prove yourself otherwise?

What you have done the last 9 months that makes you think that this will work now i don't know...
But i know it won't work now =)

Save yourself the time ^__^

I figured out why this thread smelled like failure: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1291146

Keep in mind our latest client we got from that thread. Paying us $1,600 USD for a commercial tourism website. Facepunch is full of trolls. They exist on all forums, and due to the fact that most trolls don't have lives, they make up a good majority of forum posts which misleadingly gives the impression that that is the majority opinion. Take this thread for instance. People looking to discredit not because the idea is bad, but because they have nothing better to do.

I'm hoping the business minded people will see this is a good offer, and a good idea.

So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

Now I suppose you will look at this char and think I am Vixen, well if you are considering this proposition then evemail me and would be more then happy to skype / video call you and share my pay pal details to prove they are trustworthy.

I would also be happy to give free advice on how to manage 3rd party developers to make sure you get what you need,

Not sure what else I can say except for ignor the haters and if you like what they offer for the price they are charging then go for it, it will be a reality.

The thing is, nothing is being offered here. The proposal is that you give OP 100B isk for something that hasn't even been created yet. Most of the services he is incorporating into his "idea" are already available for free elsewhere. If you purchased a lotto site then you obviously don't know how to use google, because the source code is available for free.

Regardless, this type of discussion does not belong in the Sell Order forum, and should be relocated by a representative of ISD. (similar to the last thread you created on this exact subject.)

The thing is, nothing is being offered here. The proposal is that you give OP 100B isk for something that hasn't even been created yet. Most of the services he is incorporating into his "idea" are already available for free elsewhere. If you purchased a lotto site then you obviously don't know how to use google, because the source code is available for free.

Regardless, this type of discussion does not belong in the Sell Order forum, and should be relocated by a representative of ISD. (similar to the last thread you created on this exact subject.)

Anyway, this website, if I do it, will literally be the most complex website my company has ever made.

It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.

I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.

I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.

Quick! save the idea and find someone that makes the site for 1/3 of the price within a few weeks.

we can sell the idea before this guy manages too make it in the 6 month time span =D

$$$$

This is just proof you're a troll.

So,

You've tried this before... Failed.

You tried sale pitching your "company" on Facepunch... Mocked no end and even hacked. And to be honest, I've seen more professional websites for a much lower price.

You come back here with a super idea SAME pitch... Not looking good is it?

Like the others have said, you would stand a much better chance of creating the website, have people test it and iron out the leeks and then pitch it as a monthly service. IF (and its a god damn big IF) takes off and the word gets around you may just then have your 100billion.

Until then;

NOPE.

If I end up making this website without an investor, I promise you it won't be sold.

Wut?

so it has nothing too do with ISK ?

heres an idea make the framework,
this would include the most basic things an alliance would need. - either use it as a trial or a proof of concept,
(look at what ecm does)

Once the initial problems are fixed, add a couple more features to interest more people like srp ect or closed off areas for each corp to use. then start selling it as a basic service

make the other features into modular plugins, which have either a one time setup cost or monthly cost depening on what it does

create a packages which automatically have certain plugins preintstalled

be proud of what you made, sit back relax and wait for.....

Profit -ú-ú-ú-ú


you have design pictures which is all well and good but without a proof of concept and something to actually look at, im not putting forward any isk on a whim that your word is good
this isn't kickstarter, this is eve and promises mean sh*t here

**there's also the fact that if i put 100bil towards this i wouldn't want anyone else but me having it...ever**

So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

Now I suppose you will look at this char and think I am Vixen, well if you are considering this proposition then evemail me and would be more then happy to skype / video call you and share my pay pal details to prove they are trustworthy.

I would also be happy to give free advice on how to manage 3rd party developers to make sure you get what you need,

Not sure what else I can say except for ignor the haters and if you like what they offer for the price they are charging then go for it, it will be a reality.

I guess what I'm saying is. I need motivation.

Well, most people who are looking to invest 100b are looking for passive profits. This website can have a monthly subscription plan that automatically makes sure the people using this website are making monthly payments to your eve account. If they don't the website will notify them they need to, and if they still don't, their account will be restricted until they do make the payment.

It can also for for a very large coalition who wishes to gain an edge in the game. I honesty don't think this tool is good for just one corp leader.

$1000 for a lottery website that has given out 32 billion ISK doesn't seem like a good investment to me, and your quite extreme offer of defence for Vixen is well, if I were a suspicious person I would be having suspicions about now .

I have recently been pondering about having a [vanity] website for my in-game business, I might give you a shout, or you can contact me to remind me ;). One thing I'm sure of is that I wouldn't give anyone the ISK up front for this, but having a 3rd Party hold the ISK until the project is completed would be fine. Starting smaller might be good for you too?



And ISK is that motivation? Once you have the ISK what is your motivation to deliver on the website?



This website that doesn't exist yet can do some great things, I'm sure. Also there are a lot better ways to passively earn ISK on 100b than giving it to someone who may or may not make you an amazing website that taxes their alliance members. I'm sure said alliance members will start paying their taxes when they cannot use this website too.

Quit feeding the troll / scammer / subpar webdev and let this thread die already (as I add to the pile, again).

Hello Elizabeth Norn,

About the lottery website, It was originally $500. I actually coded for a Chinese client on the Singularity server. It fell through though and he didn't want to pay for it. As a result, I created a thread offering to sell the software I had developed. He purchased it, and then paid another $500 to update it. The update hasn't been applied yet, but as a result of the lack of update, the site hasn't been marketed very consistently yet.

You're right. His "extreme" offer was quite kind of him. It's because believe it or not, I'm a nice person. We have actually become friends as a result of working together on discussing ideas for his lotto website. Also, he's kind of a mentor. He is a director of web developers at his work, and I am a young developer who changes him cheap prices for hobby work. I asked him to reference me to show you guys I'm not a scammer. He was happy to help me.

About the 3rd party holding payment. My company requires all clients to pay US 60% up front. I am willing to make an exception with this project considering how large it is. For small projects, you will have to make the payment or we won't work with you. Honestly, business is good right now. If I wanted another project with some guy telling me what to do, I'd pick up another client. So you don't have much grounds for negotiation here. I'm more than willing to say no.

The ISK for motivation yes. And the connection. Why did you completely forget that part? I dedicated an entire paragraph to it. Perhaps its your bias that's forgetting?

The website that doesn't exist yet? I'm selling two things here. A vision, and my services to bring that vision to life. It can do great things because it's a great idea. I know how unwilling you are to offer me that little bit of kindness, but I wouldn't be in the position I am if I relied on the opinions of others to guide the confidence I put in the decisions I make.

Hello Elizabeth Norn,

About the lottery website, It was originally $500. I actually coded for a Chinese client on the Singularity server. It fell through though and he didn't want to pay for it. As a result, I created a thread offering to sell the software I had developed. He purchased it, and then paid another $500 to update it. The update hasn't been applied yet, but as a result of the lack of update, the site hasn't been marketed very consistently yet.

So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

About the 3rd party holding payment. My company requires all clients to pay US 60% up front. I am willing to make an exception with this project considering how large it is. For small projects, you will have to make the payment or we won't work with you. Honestly, business is good right now. If I wanted another project with some guy telling me what to do, I'd pick up another client. So you don't have much grounds for negotiation here. I'm more than willing to say no.

The ISK for motivation yes. And the connection. Why did you completely forget that part? I dedicated an entire paragraph to it. Perhaps its your bias that's forgetting?

The website that doesn't exist yet? I'm selling two things here. A vision, and my services to bring that vision to life. It can do great things because it's a great idea. I know how unwilling you are to offer me that little bit of kindness, but I wouldn't be in the position I am if I relied on the opinions of others to guide the confidence I put in the decisions I make.

Elizabeth Norn

Look, I have made my offer. I'm already beginning on the work since I'm really in the mood to develop this as a result of all this talking about it. You can think as you like.

Could you clarify whether your offer includes the use of a third party? Answering my questions would be lovely too, because as a potential investor/customer, their answers actually matter to me.

I've already offered a payment solution that solves the trust issue. If you don't like it, that's your problem. I've already gotten a couple evemails from interested clients.

You know, when I was selling my Lotto system on these forums, people made the same argument. It still sold, and look, that same buyer is in this thread saying I'm to be trustworthy. You think because a couple people show skepticism on this thread, that interested parties aren't contacting me privately? Think again. I'm not desperate because I don't need to be.

This is getting monotonous answering the same questions over and over. I think I will stop posting on this thread.

From this point on, if anyone would like to contact me with questions, you can eve mail me.

No, you can't use a 3rd party. You are, however, free to have a look at my portfolio, and even take a peak at some of our current work. You will find our company is reputable. If that isn't evidence enough, than I'm sorry. Also, no, my boyfriend isn't the designer of my company. I don't have a boyfriend.

This is getting monotonous answering the same questions over and over. I think I will stop posting on this thread.

From this point on, if anyone would like to contact me with questions, you can eve mail me.

My name is Luna. I have a small company made up of myself as developer, my brother as designer, and then a couple others who help with administrative and artistic work. We make up a small company based out of USA called SoulCreative.

So after almost a year in China, I've decided that I would like to go home, and spend a couple months with my family. I'm almost 17, and I've still never driven a car!! So I need to learn that too :)

I started learning web development a couple months before I came to EVE Online and sold websites. My boyfriend at the time was doing this with me because we enjoyed it.

Then I moved to China. I continued to develop websites. I volunteered to make the University website and they gave me free tuition. That university is the 25th largest in China. It got me lots of recognition, and as a result, I started to pick up clients, and it just so happens that I have a brother who's a genius web developer who has chosen to work full time with me on this company. We have sales reps paid based on commision in Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Beijing, and Hainan, China. Our company is registered in USA. This means we are based out of USA. When I receive payments from Chinese clients, the transfer is wired to an American business account. Also, my brother is in USA. He lives in New York.

I'm 17 years old as you see. I just got back after a year in China. Due to my success in China, I've been working on bringing in clients here in USA. I will get my first car in 2 weeks, and I will begin joining business networking events, and a little advertising. My contacts in China also bring in business for us. My development skills are good, but my brothers are industry standard. With his help, we have the skills to tackle any project.

My company is quite young. The portfolio I've shown you is the legacy we have left so far. It isn't much, but it's quality work. And it's growing.

About the 3rd party holding payment. My company requires all clients to pay US 60% up front. I am willing to make an exception with this project considering how large it is. For small projects, you will have to make the payment or we won't work with you. Honestly, business is good right now. If I wanted another project with some guy telling me what to do, I'd pick up another client. So you don't have much grounds for negotiation here. I'm more than willing to say no.

Fun fact: This thread was closed for implied RMT before.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2326871#post2326871

Fun fact: This thread was closed for implied RMT before.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2326871#post2326871

Hmm, I don't want anyone to think this is RMT. So I've made a decision. Investment opportunity closed. I will develop this without investors.
Thanks anyway everyone.

The website will be created regardless of donations. I'm working on it as we speak. The concept designs are half way completed.

Let's end that with a quote of you from last years thread :

And this year she has delivered fully completed designs! I may know a bit about Blueprints, but she has definitely created something that is easier to follow than a IKEA Caldari Shuttle instructions.

haha, you guys are funny, but I'm really going to do it this time :P I'm like working on it as we speak. If I can keep motivated and stay focused, I'm going to dedicate like the next month of my life to this!

You go for it tiger .....

haha, you guys are funny, but I'm really going to do it this time :P I'm like working on it as we speak. If I can keep motivated and stay focused, I'm going to dedicate like the next month of my life to this!

we do all work for out fortune.

Now its your turn too make something amazing and prove too us that we we're wrong, and you were right =)

Do that and you will be Famous, Rich and well known in the eve community.

Good luck! =D i really hope you manage too succeed in it

Forgive me for not being able to properly quote every quote, because these forums have a limit of 5 quotes per post.

None of this is evidence, of course, but it's all very suspect to me.

Guys guys, I have a great thing to sell. The idea is to have a site where you and your corp can plan and arrange all kinds of activities on. Give me 100 bill and I'll get started on that. You have to give me the ISK first though and there's no guarantee it'll be every bit as awesome as I say it will be. Also, no refunds!!

You really don't see how that looks ... suspicious??

I don't understand why a real world company requires video game currency in order to be able to produce a program..

RMT?

It's an elaborate scam, nothing more. Move along people.

I don't understand why a real world company requires video game currency in order to be able to produce a program..

RMT?

more like unemployed dude sitting at home in his underwear

It's an elaborate scam, nothing more. Move along people.

But you are in an alliance, why not use that to test it on ?

I'm in a Dust corp & alliance. I need an alliance with eve data.

Couldn't you just spoof it? Create a web service that returns stuff formatted like the api pulls you are trying to do. You could create as many as you want and it would be as real as you wanted it to be. Its all just XML after all.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Right now, I'm doing the authentication system. A user signed up, and then he can submit APIs. The system looks at the API and determines of its account, character, corporation, or alliance. It then acts accordingly populating the database with the data that is associated with that API key type.

So what I do is I write the function, and then I put it on the website, and run the function to see if it does what I want. If it does, I continue on to the next development objective.

Right now, I am at the point where if someone submits a corp API, the system populates the character database with everyone in the corp. Then, when a member of the corp comes, and submits their API data, they can say, oh, you are the owner of this character, and it will associate the character to the account.

This is all fine. But the thing is.. now I'm ready to do the alliance API. But, how can I test that my code is bug free without an alliance API to enter in so that I can make sure data is populating the database? I need real data.

This makes no sense what so ever.. Basically you cannot code?. You know what data the API (xml) will generate why cant you just code the system and use fake generated data?

Looking at the API lists, there is no "alliance" api?. You would have to pull the list of corps and then each corp would have to provide its API?

My alliance already has had an in house developer create this for us. For a mere 150billion isk you could purchase access from me.

GÖÑ

no thank you. if you are with test alliance, i've seen their system. it's dated.

Meight does it even look like I'm in test....

That's a pretty good make believe system you got there, it's worth at least 200 bill i'd say. Maybe even 250.

well thank you, sir, she's priceless in my eyes. i'd never sell her, not for a million bucks, no i wouldnt.

Fantastic. If you're not selling anything, then why not move this thread out of the sell orders.

This thread + the thread on facepunch has just entertained me for a good half hour, thanks

p.s. Your websites are ****, please stop posting and spend the time learning how to develop.

If I end up making this website without an investor, I promise you it won't be sold.