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Nomistrav
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:03:00 -
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Viscount Hood wrote:are there any new certificates for capital ships?
something for us old timers to achieve?
Yeah, but it's still got the weird issue(s) of things that you probably won't use. Hull upgrades being a rather humorous one, or sensor strength skills. |
EI7FPB 3
EI7FPB Ltd
BR0WNC0ATS
3
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:19:00 -
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License to kill: Certificates Overhaul
Hi,
I don't know about you, but here is the way I see Certificates, a lot of players don't declare Certificates,
because it give away you skill set, and like it or not, other players will use it against you.
Player talk about Certificates, on comms, in Alliance & Corp chat and with friend, but never in public.
Here is what I would like to see,
- Certificates Permissions to be ' Private, Corporation, Alliance, Public'
- Alliance & Corp Certificates
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The back story
A corp CEO & Alliance boss, decides that over the next few weeks, there are going to be some Low-Sec mining ops,
the Alliance has a few hundred players, he needs to find the Alliance members that have the skills he needs.
He send out a mail calling for volunteers, Days later, he is still getting mails, ' Here is my API, do I have the skills you need ?',
Who recruited these guys anyway  . ( Note to self, replace the recruitment team ).
CCP introduce Alliance & Corp Certificates.
This will make the job a lot easier,
He creates some Alliance Certificates
-- Basic Exhumers ( Skill required, Exhumers 3, Mining 4, Mining Upgrades 4, Etc... )
-- Pro Exhumers ( Skill required, Exhumers, T2 Strip Miner, T1 Mining Crystals Etc... )
-- Elite Exhumers ( Skill required, Exhumers, T2 Strip Miner, T2 Mining Crystals Etc... )
all so, Certificates for, Industrialist, Fleet Booster, Logis, Scouts, PvP ( The gate gang ), Etc...
He send out a mail calling for volunteers, On getting the mail player open their Character sheet, and go to Alliance & Corp Certificates, View the Certificates, on seeing all green check-marks on the skills required, they 'Claim the Certificate' and pay a small administration fee ( you have to pay tax, Lol ) and set the Permissions to Alliance.
The next day, the Low-Sec mining ops starts, Life is good in this Alliance.
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Certificates are a VERY GOOD IDEA, they help players focus skill training, But the current and new Certificates are guides to skill training, in CCP opinion ( not all bad, some very good ).
But CEO, Alliance bosses, Fleet Commanders have other ideas, take the new ' Resource Processing - Salvaging Certificates' there is no mention of Tractor Beams or the Noctis.
To me an Elite Salvager is somebody who can fly the Noctis ( Cap stable ), with T2 Salvagers & Tractor Beams, and can lock 10 targets, Skills required
-- ORE Industrial 5
-- Salvaging 5
-- Science 5
-- Armor Rigging 5
-- Advanced Target Management 3
-- Etc..
Looking at the Noctis Information Window, the new Mastery tab, the level 5 Certificates in particular
Core Ship Operation - Weapon Upgrades, Advanced Weapon Upgrades ( No weapons can be fitted to this ship ) 
Navigation - Micro Jump Drive Operation ( This module can not be fitted to this class of ship )
Targeting - Gravimetric Sensor Compensation, Ladar Sensor Compensation, Radar Sensor Compensation
( This ship has a Magnetometric Sensor )
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CCP is doing a great job, by the way. 
Skill Certificates is a BIG job, and everybody has their own opinion, on skill training.
If CCP dose basic Certificates like, Ship core ( CPU, Power, Cap, Tank ), Mining, Weapons, etc.. To get players started.
And let the players look after the rest.
HELP US, TO HELP YOU.
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Marko from Tropoja
FROZEN HEADS
Darkspawn.
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:51:00 -
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about new setification system
Check that image
MJD V for cruiser? what for?
12 targets for omen? it can possible only with 3 signal amplifiers II in low slots. Who will use that?
Omen have radar sensors. Why must I have 3 other types in V for it?
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Buka Parallax
Eyes of Ra
0
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:14:00 -
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First off THANK YOU CCP for doing this. I was always confused as hell as a new player in how the certs worked and navigating the window (s) was frustrating. This is a big deal to me.
Can we have the ability to have a history tab of certs that were acquired to recall for us after an extended time between logins?
It is always nice to know what skills I trained between logins. Upon entering the game the skills history tab reminds me what skills were completed that I had in the queue.
Something similar for certs should also be done. For new players this is vital as they do not understand nor can remember what skills they had in the queue and completed after a few days of being away from the game. This quick reminder is very cool and brings you back up to speed. Certs should have a history tab as well.
Thanks |
Alexander the Great
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
143
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:09:00 -
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This mastery system is done totally wrong.
I don't need MJD for cruisers navigation.
I don't need all 4 sensor compensations to fly one race.
You can't use general certificates to measure specific ship. Or you need to make certificates more general (i.e. remove MJD from navigation and create separate "battleship navigation").
Or why can't you just take skills that really affect given ship and then group them into categories? |
Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
66
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Posted - 2013.10.09 19:18:00 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Viscount Hood wrote:are there any new certificates for capital ships?
something for us old timers to achieve? Yeah, but it's still got the weird issue(s) of things that you probably won't use. Hull upgrades being a rather humorous one, or sensor strength skills.
yep done that too and the capital skills.....
 what else can a 2003 player do ... level 4 to 5 is my stable diet of skilling.. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
759
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:05:00 -
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polvo zangado wrote:Great you make changes after I collected all the certificates.
Now you get to collect them all again, for twice the pleasure. 
To be fair, you should have most of them already and now you can aim to get all Mastery 5's as well.
Mashie Saldana
Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
95
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:27:00 -
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Will Capital guns still require large guns 5? Seems anti specialization, to me. just how is module tiericide going CCP?
A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver. |
Arcos Vandymion
The Advent of Faith
Standing United.
19
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:48:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:A few comments:
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- You should make T2 ammo usable in faction guns while you're at it.
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Don't forget Deadspace and Officer modules...
Or simply make T2 Chages treat everything Meta5+ (Faction, Deadspace, Officer) as being able to use T2 charges - at least that would justify their ridiculously expensive prices somewhat (and would make them more expensive as well).
The way it is T2 Guns are simply put the best choice for weapons - the rest can't even compare.
I haven't gotten to check - but is Astronautic Engineering still in that Datacore certificate? You might want to kick the guy who put that in the excel sheet really hard (and do it personally - pictures or it didn't happen). Unless of course you bring it back and stuff.... along with Analytical Mind and stuff (precious metall coloured Magnates and luxurious yachts...)- so we can frown at people talking about perpetual motion units with more contempt. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:50:00 -
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Batelle wrote:You are LITERALLY giving a gold star in exchange for people making suboptimalterrible training choices. Considering that the point of the system is to quantify good training choices, this is a bad standard. Maybe put the gold star on level 4, and a dunce cap for level 5.
THIS.
The only time to have a rigging skill to V is if you have one fit that you fly almost exclusively that doesn't work without that last 1-2% PG or CPU. This is arguably better achieved with an implant in most cases. Anyway, the point is that you are trying to make certs more useful and accessible. At first it seems like you recognize the flaw in certificates, but then you go and do this which makes it seem like you don't see the flaw after all.
Part of playing EVE well is knowing which skills to train and when. Level V skills should be chosen very strategically and very carefully as they have the potential to be a massive waste of SP. You're treating it like level V skills are l33t in an of themselves. As Batelle points out, skills like AWU V deserve a gold star while skills like gunnery spec skills and rigging skills at V deserve a dunce cap more often than not. |
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Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union
The Predictables
45
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:47:00 -
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FYI here is the separate thread to discuss needed changes for missile skills. |
ebocan
Br0wn Coat5
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:53:00 -
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I recently checked the certificates on Singularity and saw that Astronautic Engineering was required for datacore certificate under research. Explanation for this skill is "Skill and knowledge of Astronautics and its use in the development of advanced technology. This skill has no practical application for capsuleers, and proficiency in its use conveys little more than bragging rights. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts." It costs 19 billion ISK to get it in the market in JIta. I am in awe how this skill can be required for a newcomer who wanted to level up in research. I think it should be excluded from the certificates. What do you think ? |
Darius Rageheart
Borderlands corp
True Reign
0
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:12:00 -
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ebocan wrote:I recently checked the certificates on Singularity and saw that Astronautic Engineering was required for datacore certificate under research. Explanation for this skill is "Skill and knowledge of Astronautics and its use in the development of advanced technology. This skill has no practical application for capsuleers, and proficiency in its use conveys little more than bragging rights. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts." It costs 19 billion ISK to get it in the market in JIta. I am in awe how this skill can be required for a newcomer who wanted to level up in research. I think it should be excluded from the certificates. What do you think ?
What I think is that I logged into the forum tonight to complain about JUST THAT. I'm surprised you found a skillbook for sale at all, they haven't been available for literally years.
To have made this a per-requisit was an obvious oversight. |
Stridsflygplan
Tigers in the Snow
Nyratic
75
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Posted - 2013.11.23 09:47:00 -
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There is an in game item called "Hull Tanking, Elite " but its only searchable in the contracts and there is no contract up for it. So probably none of these item around in the client yet. I want my hull tanking cert back! The last part of the description hint like if we all with hull tanking elite should have got one of these but maybe CCP forgot something... 
Hull Tanking, Elite
Description:
This certificate represents an elite level of competence in the infamous practice of "hull tanking". It certifies that the holder can fully use all modules relating to hull tanking. The holder is aware that "real men hull tank", and also that hull tanking is really dumb. With this certificate, you've maximised your ability to rely on your structural systems to absorb damage, although hopefully you're smart enough to know what a daft idea that is.
During a certificate system restructuring, CONCORD issued a physical copy of this certificate to ensure that those elite hull tankers would always be recognized (at least by themselves). |
Cronos Decendum
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:35:00 -
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So how do I show and proof to my CEO I fulfill the prerequisites (beats requirements any day; replacing preschool words with toddler words does not improve anything) to fly a certain ship/doctrine without relying on third-party software CCP does NOT own or guarantee functionality of?
I used and was content with the old system. It was a bit out of date and could have used artful tweaking but it had its uses. A follow up system should always improve upon functionality/be able to do more then its predecessor. This new system actually takes options away which is always a bad thing. Nobody was forced to display certs but they could when they wanted or needed to.. That something is not a core system to be used every day does not mean it is purposeless and should be thrown out.
On a corporate level I do not think it wise CCP would put itself in a situation where it becomes dependent of third-party developers for certain game functions. Before you know you end up having to bribe them with real currency/isk/unique ships..  for their services..
Please think this through and restore the option to display certificates or trained skills ingame.
Dev Safe,
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