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Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:38:00 -
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I've heard CCP is cracking down on noob-killers but from what I hear and watch and really get "complained on" about, it's noobs getting into things they shouldn't be. They steal, threaten, attack random people and end up getting themselves killed because they think they'll be protected. If I am misunderstanding this then sue me, don't actually do that xD, but this is how I understand the current situation and if you don't want noobs rage quitting...think about how many people will quit if the yellow or orange noobs are treated differently from yellow or orange normal players. Your regular players are important, there is a bigger chance they'll stay and you do NOT want noobs that will stay who aren't loyal and will leave when something doesn't go their way and push you to make EVE Online something that it isn't...
Make your choice CCP and players... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
751
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:40:00 -
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Please look up the term "Alt"....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:(
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Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:44:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Please look up the term "Alt"....
Please look up the term 'it's not always "alts" ' xD Nice try, dear... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6063
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:48:00 -
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99% percent of the time its an alt pretending to be a noob.
2% of the time its an actual noob who thinks this is CoD and you just jump in and shoot all the things.
These statistics are +/- 2%.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16744
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:49:00 -
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You blow them up.
If the GMs come a-calling, tell them to check the logs on who did what to whom first.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Aurilen Baxtab
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:50:00 -
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brand new players don't always know the rules. And most new players do not expect experienced players to grief them. Experienced player, OTOH do expect it and are less likely to fall victim. But new players do fall for it. In those cases, it's not so much about the rules as it is about coming face to face with assholes. and coming to the realization that assholes play this game. It's a rude awakening, and as with any time one is awakened rudely, one gets mad. 
/trollthread |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
524
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:50:00 -
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If they're doing things to get themselves killed I'm pretty sure if CCP was asked to look into the logs that would see and note that.
The rules are to stop people suicide ganking, can flipping, scamming or just otherwise abusing people who haven't even had a chance to learn how to fit their ship correctly yet. If players REALLY feel they have to be allowed to attack and kill players who have no understanding of the game let alone any chance to defend themselves they really are the lowest of the low.
There are plenty of miners in T2 barges with no tanks sitting in 0.5 belts you can grief if you really want tears. Let the newbies learn the game so they can either become new T2 barges in a few months or another griefer killing them.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Valkrine Weaver
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:52:00 -
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Alts are another factor, but quite frankly I see a lot of noobs thinking they are hot ****. If it's not yours, don't touch it. If you see someone and try to get into it with them, new or vet, don't get butthurt if one or the other kills you. It's part of the game. Need to remember that everyone is a enemy until proven otherwise in this game. Everyone should be on a equal playing field. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Veldspar United
51
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:56:00 -
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Regina Gerze wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Please look up the term "Alt".... Please look up the term 'it's not always "alts" ' xD Nice try, dear...
I got called an alt once it hurt really bad. I AM SOMEBODYS main damn it.
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Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:59:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:99% percent of the time its an alt pretending to be a noob.
2% of the time its an actual noob who thinks this is CoD and you just jump in and shoot all the things.
These statistics are +/- 2%.
Nice try, again...provide proof and if you are unwilling to farther contribute to the conversation go bye-bye... |
Kalishka Askulf
UNFRL Fleet Operations
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
47
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:59:00 -
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Well IF such events occurred in high sec, they would have to 1) turn the safety off (kinda a big clue right there already!) and 2) click "Ok" on the Dangerous Act warning box (complete with a description of why it could be a dangerous act!) Sorry, fresh to the game or otherwise, if you can't even be bothered to READ, then it's hard luck, they're going to have a rough five minutes.
As for low/null sec, by default, there is a warning box which informs pilots that Concord cannot guarantee their safety. Again, the message is clearly displayed at the center of the screen.
Kinda hard to cry foul when these warning are clearly explained to you before you can commit to them.  |
Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:01:00 -
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Turelus wrote:If they're doing things to get themselves killed I'm pretty sure if CCP was asked to look into the logs that would see and note that.
The rules are to stop people suicide ganking, can flipping, scamming or just otherwise abusing people who haven't even had a chance to learn how to fit their ship correctly yet. If players REALLY feel they have to be allowed to attack and kill players who have no understanding of the game let alone any chance to defend themselves they really are the lowest of the low.
There are plenty of miners in T2 barges with no tanks sitting in 0.5 belts you can grief if you really want tears. Let the newbies learn the game so they can either become new T2 barges in a few months or another griefer killing them.
Uh huh, lololololol...Try referencing to the noobs more, it's not our fault all the time and most of the time it's a noob...a noobie-noob-noob... |
Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:02:00 -
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Kalishka Askulf wrote:Well IF such events occurred in high sec, they would have to 1) turn the safety off ( kinda a big clue right there already!) and 2) click "Ok" on the Dangerous Act warning box (complete with a description of why it could be a dangerous act!) Sorry, fresh to the game or otherwise, if you can't even be bothered to READ, then it's hard luck, they're going to have a rough five minutes. As for low/null sec, by default, there is a warning box which informs pilots that Concord cannot guarantee their safety. Again, the message is clearly displayed at the center of the screen. Kinda hard to cry foul when these warning are clearly explained to you before you can commit to them.
They do read...which I guess is the point of what Kalishka is saying... |
Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:04:00 -
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Aurilen Baxtab wrote:brand new players don't always know the rules. And most new players do not expect experienced players to grief them. Experienced player, OTOH do expect it and are less likely to fall victim. But new players do fall for it. In those cases, it's not so much about the rules as it is about coming face to face with assholes. and coming to the realization that assholes play this game. It's a rude awakening, and as with any time one is awakened rudely, one gets mad. /trollthread
Sorry, but brand new players are usually at fault...as referenced by their complete idiocy when they refer to any type of build and cry about wondering why it got destroyed then threatening to report the other for attacking them when they were the ones that engaged the other/stole their stuff/etc... |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:09:00 -
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Regina Gerze wrote:I've heard CCP is cracking down on noob-killers but from what I hear and watch and really get "complained on" about, it's noobs getting into things they shouldn't be. They steal, threaten, attack random people and end up getting themselves killed because they think they'll be protected. If I am misunderstanding this then sue me, don't actually do that xD, but this is how I understand the current situation and if you don't want noobs rage quitting...think about how many people will quit if the yellow or orange noobs are treated differently from yellow or orange normal players. Your regular players are important, there is a bigger chance they'll stay and you do NOT want noobs that will stay who aren't loyal and will leave when something doesn't go their way and push you to make EVE Online something that it isn't...
Make your choice CCP and players...
Edit: Made due to input from a few players
Heck you are only a noob yourself. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1055
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:10:00 -
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"what if noobs attack you?"
I'd suggest that you kill them. Take the pod too, on the off chance they haven't upgraded it.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Regina Gerze
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:11:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:Regina Gerze wrote:I've heard CCP is cracking down on noob-killers but from what I hear and watch and really get "complained on" about, it's noobs getting into things they shouldn't be. They steal, threaten, attack random people and end up getting themselves killed because they think they'll be protected. If I am misunderstanding this then sue me, don't actually do that xD, but this is how I understand the current situation and if you don't want noobs rage quitting...think about how many people will quit if the yellow or orange noobs are treated differently from yellow or orange normal players. Your regular players are important, there is a bigger chance they'll stay and you do NOT want noobs that will stay who aren't loyal and will leave when something doesn't go their way and push you to make EVE Online something that it isn't...
Make your choice CCP and players...
Edit: Made due to input from a few players Heck you are only a noob yourself.
I played a few years back, a few years before that, never really got into EVE until now but I'm far from a noob...xD |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3013
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:44:00 -
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A lot of little psychopaths start playing this game because CCP promotes EVE as a fun alternative to other MMOs where you are not allowed to be a complete ****.
So these 'leet griefers' sign up and start shooting/stealing/scamming stuff right out of the gate without a clue as to the consequences of their actions. Then they either rage quit or learn the actual game as the case may be.
I tend to cut them some slack as they don't know any better.
Alts pretending to be noobs, on the other hand, are just straight up morons.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
959
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:58:00 -
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As far as I'm aware, the point at which CCP steps in is where someone parks outside a tutorial station and hands duel requests to two-hour-old newbies who don't know anything about anything even basic game mechanics.
I've never heard of GMs cracking down on killing someone who just happened to fit someone's arbitrary classification of "new" |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1692
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:01:00 -
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Newbies attacking people is healthy.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:04:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Newbies attacking people is healthy.
For us, yes, for them? Not so much... |
Zane Tekitsu
D.I.C.A.D. Solutions
50
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:24:00 -
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well, If you are worried there are a whole multitude of systems lower than 1.0 sec for you to paruse...
If typos,
Then blame phone.
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Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:27:00 -
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Kalishka Askulf wrote:Well IF such events occurred in high sec, they would have to 1) turn the safety off ( kinda a big clue right there already!) and 2) click "Ok" on the Dangerous Act warning box (complete with a description of why it could be a dangerous act!) Sorry, fresh to the game or otherwise, if you can't even be bothered to READ, then it's hard luck, they're going to have a rough five minutes. As for low/null sec, by default, there is a warning box which informs pilots that Concord cannot guarantee their safety. Again, the message is clearly displayed at the center of the screen. Kinda hard to cry foul when these warning are clearly explained to you before you can commit to them.
When I started there was no green safety button, yet there was a time I came upon a wreck that had some juicy loot. I took it and ran like hell and hid till my timer ran out. I knew very well what the consequences were without needing some warning to pop up. In fact I remember asking on rookie chat about who could shoot at me before I swiped the loot. Actually I was only confirming what I already knew as that topic came up regularly ( several times an hour) in rookie chat. Yes EVE has a lot to learn and is difficult, but the tools are there if you choose to use them. |
Karrl Tian
Ice Patrol
215
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:40:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
2% of the time its an actual noob who thinks this is CoD and you just jump in and shoot all the things.
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Isn't that how Goonswarm started? |
Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
25
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:01:00 -
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If they attack you unprovoked, you can blast em out of the sky.
However if you bait them into it, that's a no no. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:08:00 -
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[quote=Regina Gerze]I've heard CCP is cracking down on noob-killers but from what I hear and watch and really get "complained on" about, it's noobs getting into things they shouldn't be. They steal, threaten, attack random people and end up getting themselves killed because they think they'll be protected. If I am misunderstanding this then sue me, don't actually do that xD, but this is how I understand the current situation and if you don't want noobs rage quitting...think about how many people will quit if the yellow or orange noobs are treated differently from yellow or orange normal players. Your regular players are important, there is a bigger chance they'll stay and you do NOT want noobs that will stay who aren't loyal and will leave when something doesn't go their way and push you to make EVE Online something that it isn't...
Make your choice CCP and players...
tl;dr - OMG! Noobs are taking over! |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
36
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:09:00 -
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The funny thing is that most real noobs most likely would not even know what a petition was .
I got killed 3 times within my first hour (a guy in the newb channel asked for some "Help" moving some stuff from a Can) but I did not even learn that i could have petitioned it until months and months later and I did not care because all I lost saw a few noob ships.
If you know enough to raise a petition and set your dot to yellow then you know enough to die (and where not guided into it by the offender). |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
143
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:44:00 -
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A complaint because some new players dare to attack some vets  (by the way it must be extremly rare and mostly by not knowing what they do)
Devs nerf the noobs now !
If you are not strong enough to survive in 1.0, go back to your nullspace. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1029
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:54:00 -
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If a new player attacks you without you tricking them or similar (being flagged in a noob system, leaving cans around encouraging them to take the items and so on) you are free to do whatever you want with them since you dident purposely set them up to getting into a fight they cant win.
They explained things in more detail here, and this particular section also covers using alts to try and get someone banned.
""My enemy is making rookie alts and harassing me into shooting them. Will I get banned for attacking them?"
No (at least not outside rookie systems). Should a warning or ban have been placed in such a situation for any reason, you can and absolutely should contest that. Customer support does not look kindly upon being manipulated against its own customers."
I would assume the same rule applies to non alts.
The system is in place to protect new players from griefing, not to give new players (or alts) a way to freely harass other players knowing they cant retaliate out of fear of getting banned. At least thats my understanding of it.
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Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:27:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:A complaint because some new players dare to attack some vets (by the way it must be extremly rare and mostly by not knowing what they do) Devs nerf the noobs now ! If you are not strong enough to survive in 1.0, go back to your nullspace.
We're strong enough to survive it, but we're not strong enough to survive GMs after the little noobs call on them...the issue is noobs complaining when they are in the wrong, you either lose a vet or you lose a noob but it also depends on the situation and the obvious thing to do would be to check the logs >.> |
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