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Cisplatin
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Posted - 2006.01.21 02:42:00 -
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So I'm hangin out in a 0.4 space huntin rats.. havin fun... people are being cool.. offering to gang with me and show me some ropes... etc, etc...
I go to leave.. my cargo full.. and a couple of jerks.. Absolute EVil and someone else.. blow me up in like one shot...
I'm ****ed off....
what is the damn point of that?????? Except to make me hate this crap...
What I really don't like is the fact that there is no way I will ever be powerful enough to exact any kind of revenge... as they are far more advanced....
And I can't remember who one of them was....
what a bunch of crap...
Cisplatin....
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.21 02:54:00 -
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And the cherry has been popped.
Grats Cisplatin, you can say you're a veteran of EVE now.
Why'd they kill you? Boredom, maybe, or perhaps they thought you might be carrying something valuable.
But sure you'll be powerful enough to get revenge. You can't one-shot a Battleship, bud, and you definitely can't one-shot a Battleship with friends. 
So you got blown by another player for the first time. Laugh it off, get another ship together, and move on. If you spend a lot of time in lowsec, it'll hardly be the first or last ship you go through. But once you get some PvP combat practice in, you'll start smacking 'em around too. That's the way of EVE - ruthless competition.
Welcome to EVE.
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:08:00 -
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You were hanging out in low security space. Take a lesson from the name.
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Rumpa Mi
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:16:00 -
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People who resent getting blown up should stay in highsec.
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Cisplatin
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:40:00 -
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I resent the fact that there is little course for revenge.. save holding a grudge for a year...
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Random Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Cisplatin
I resent the fact that there is little course for revenge.. save holding a grudge for a year...
Success is the ultimate revenge.
Gotta treat lowsec like a bad neighborhood. Someone comes near you, you run. There are no friends below .5 except those colored purple green or blue, everybody else is presumed to be hostile.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.01.21 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cisplatin
I resent the fact that there is little course for revenge.. save holding a grudge for a year...
There is an Arab proverb that goes something like "A man who waits 7 years to avenge himself upon his father's killer acts in haste".
Revenge is so much sweeter when the person who did you wrong isn't expecting it.
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Mogz
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Posted - 2006.01.21 08:44:00 -
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The key to enjoying this game is to remember that you can always make for isk and buy more ships. So you lost a ship. What was it? A frigate? destroyer? In the grand scheme of things those ships are cheap. Wait until you have a few more months in to you, and you're flying a T2 ship and a buddy asks you to go PVP, and you agree, then you get out there and get trapped in a hostile region, and end up losing said T2 warship. Now that my friend, is pain...*sigh*
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FreeHansje
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Posted - 2006.01.21 09:20:00 -
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There are no friends below .5...
Not true. It is difficult to find who to trust, but to my experience, most ppl are decent, even pie-rats. Difficulty ofcourse is to decide who to trust. But it can be done.
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What I really don't like is the fact that there is no way I will ever be powerful enough to exact any kind of revenge
Wrong. You can get revenge. I have a small list of persons I will pay a visit in the future...
As has been stated before: the sweetest revenge is when the mark has no idea...
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.21 09:31:00 -
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.21 10:01:00 -
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I can see that you might be expecting the gang option to be like the partys you form to raid dungeons and what not in other games. This is one of the many uses of the function, but...
Where in other games you only kill people for fun, it has practical use to destroy another ship in Eve. You kill for the purpose of stealing loot, testing setups, creating future conflict, maintaining notoriety, add another kill mark on the hull, keeping others away, and yeah: sometimes just for fun. Let me tell you just one thing: Everyone who enters low sec are hunters and hunted. You put yourself in a position to be hunted. That being said, there are more means to evade hunters than there are ways to hunt the hunted. For an oblivious newbie like yourself, this results in the same kind of destruction that happens to everyone first time. Be glad you experienced it now when ship loss means nothing, I was in a cruiser when it happened to me the first time and that sucked a little, but I was glad I was not in a battleship or something like that because that would have been a bigger loss.
Some pointers: Eve is 45% a PVP game, PVE is just an underdeveloped 10% sidething because it is necessary to have in an MMO. Use your anger to fuel your love for PVP and you'll love Eve more than ever. If you don't even like PVE, then maybe you should become a producer or miner, which is the other 45% of Eve. If you want PVE Im afraid you'll be bored pretty soon, especially if you're killing NPCs in low sec where you make up a perfect target for piracy, as PVE'ers tend to fit good mods since they don't expect to lose them, and they are much more fun to kill than miners and haulers.
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Troye
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:46:00 -
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The best advice is can give you is Petience, the time will come when you can axact your revenge on these pirates.
Untill them, add their names to your "special" list and get training up those skills. GL
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:04:00 -
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They're not "jerks."
They're called pirates. They wanted your loot.
What, did you think you are special and deserve a "get out of pirate free" pass?
And do you seriously think there's no way to get revenge? Hire a merc to take out the pirate (costs a good few 10s of millions, not too much), or get a few friends and take him out yourself. You'd be surprise how easy it is to beat a large ship in a group.
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UrsulaHades
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:09:00 -
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There's a reason you get a warning when you first go into low sec space. The whole point is with the potential for greater rewards comes greater risk. As has already been said, if you really want to bear a grudge, you and a group of friends can kill them irrespective of how long they've been in game. With the right ships/set-ups revenge can be very sweet.
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Karrihn
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cisplatin
I resent the fact that there is little course for revenge.. save holding a grudge for a year...
I have a list I been carrying around for alot longer than that. they are going to be soooo hacked.... the best part is all I remember is they are on the list, I don't even rember why. but I'm sure it'll really ruin their day.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
They're not "jerks."
They're called pirates. They wanted your loot.
And when you don't have any loot?
Are they still "pirates" when they kill you in a shuttle? Or your pod?
Or can you accept that there are people out there who get kicks from gratuitous actions that have no real gain for them?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Dark Shikari
They're not "jerks."
They're called pirates. They wanted your loot.
And when you don't have any loot?
Are they still "pirates" when they kill you in a shuttle? Or your pod?
Or can you accept that there are people out there who get kicks from gratuitous actions that have no real gain for them?
Do you seriously think that newbies should get a "get out of pirate camp free" card? Are they special?
Do you realize that the best loot is often carried by alts in shuttles?
Obviously not.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:40:00 -
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The other problem is that people learn by experience. So if you do let new people go, they will continue to be reckless until someone kills them in their new cruiser. And if you don't kill them in a cruiser it will be a battleship etc. etc. It's by losing stuff that you learn to take care of what you have; in the short-term bending the rules for new players might be nice, but it will really hurt them later on.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Do you seriously think that newbies should get a "get out of pirate camp free" card? Are they special?
Do you realize that the best loot is often carried by alts in shuttles?
I notice that you didn't actually answer my questions, nor those of the original poster.
If these so-called pirates really cared only about loot, they'd use ship and cargo scanners and they'd know whether it was worthwhile to engage another ship. So when someone opens fire on a ship that has no worthwhile loot or useful cargo, it must be because of something other than loot.
Would a mugger stick a gun in everyone's face if he had a way to see if passersby had money in their wallets?
As for your allegation that the best loot is carried by alts in shuttles, I remain skeptical. A 10m3 cargo bay doesn't allow for the transport of a lot of loot, and a shuttle doesn't offer much protection for such valuable items. People don't tend to make instas for such loot runs, and if they do... I bet they aren't carrying that loot when they do it.
Now, would you care to address the actual issue at hand?
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:02:00 -
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In dangerous space most BPCs or BPOs are carried either in a CovOps ship or a shuttle. Shuttles are excellent for getting by gate-camps and often signal something juicy.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/01/2006 18:14:50
Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Do you seriously think that newbies should get a "get out of pirate camp free" card? Are they special?
Do you realize that the best loot is often carried by alts in shuttles?
I notice that you didn't actually answer my questions, nor those of the original poster.
If these so-called pirates really cared only about loot, they'd use ship and cargo scanners and they'd know whether it was worthwhile to engage another ship. So when someone opens fire on a ship that has no worthwhile loot or useful cargo, it must be because of something other than loot.
Wrong--fitting a ship and cargo scanner gimps your setup. With a ship and cargo scanner you won't be able to tank the sentries.
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As for your allegation that the best loot is carried by alts in shuttles, I remain skeptical. A 10m3 cargo bay doesn't allow for the transport of a lot of loot, and a shuttle doesn't offer much protection for such valuable items. People don't tend to make instas for such loot runs, and if they do... I bet they aren't carrying that loot when they do it.
Its plenty for a blueprint. Khatred lost a Large Armor Rep II BPO worth 10 billion to a pirate. He was flying a shuttle.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:18:00 -
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As I said, transporting such a valuable item in a shuttle is foolish. If he's got that kind of bread, he should be able to afford a more durable form of transportation for his precious goods.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
As I said, transporting such a valuable item in a shuttle is foolish. If he's got that kind of bread, he should be able to afford a more durable form of transportation for his precious goods.
He's notorious for being both one of the richest players in EVE and losing lots of stuff. His corporation also lost an entire outpost platform 
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
As I said, transporting such a valuable item in a shuttle is foolish. If he's got that kind of bread, he should be able to afford a more durable form of transportation for his precious goods.
A battleship is not going to survive against a ten person gate camp. Unless you have a big convoy, it will ultimately come down to speed and agility.
I use a covops for dangerous gear, but some people just don't have the ability to fly it. In dangerous space a solo BS is *very* vulnerable to a pirate group.
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:04:00 -
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everyship has its weakness, Battleships arn't the "win button either"
btw you can get their ame in kill rights so you can kill them anywhere for a month i belive it is.
As for my option, personally i guess i would classify my self as an anti-pirate right now, i dont get my fun from holding the weaker hositge for isk, but right now i am finding eve less fun them when i started, i have stoped doing missons since it is the same missoin more ore less repeated 50 times, minging doesn't generate the isk needed for serious money making unless you have acess to the 0.0 ores.
Chances are that the players that killed you have been playing for about a year or so, and in that year they have probally tried just about every profession that there is, and PvP isthe most fun in thier eyes.
the reason that they probally killed you was
1) they thought that the loot that would drop would be worth more than the ransom you could py
2) you gave the false impression of being stronger than your are. meaning being in a BS a lot sooner than you should be.
the best part of eve is that no matter what happens you can crawl your way out of the gutter no matter how broke you are.
my adviceis to join a mining corp, these corps are good for teacng you the ropes and provide a safe environment to learn and get thoes skills.
and a group of 5 well fitted frigates can easialy take out a battleship just get a possy togeather and get your revnege.
also what did you lose
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Pielle
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:31:00 -
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On a somewhat related topic, are there any viable accepted reasons for podkilling? I understand and accept pirates blowing to bits for loot, challenge, or fun and games, but once you've scrapped their ship and claimed their cargo, is there any reason to go and a-splode their escape pod as well?
I don't have anything against losing a ship, but there's nothing to gain from podkilling, and it just makes your camping spot that much more obvious on the map, so what's the point? Other than jackassery, of course...
(This is an honest question, I'm curious about the mentality here :)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pielle
On a somewhat related topic, are there any viable accepted reasons for podkilling? I understand and accept pirates blowing to bits for loot, challenge, or fun and games, but once you've scrapped their ship and claimed their cargo, is there any reason to go and a-splode their escape pod as well?
I don't have anything against losing a ship, but there's nothing to gain from podkilling, and it just makes your camping spot that much more obvious on the map, so what's the point? Other than jackassery, of course...
(This is an honest question, I'm curious about the mentality here :)
No, there are many things to gain.
1. The primary reason. It gets the victim out of local. If he stays in the area, he will smacktalk for hours on end and alert all the locals to the pirate's presence.
2. It gives you a corpse.
3. It makes a nice squishy sound.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:52:00 -
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TBH if people couldn't speak in local when in a pod there would be a heck of a lot less poddings.
Oh, one extra reason is to inflict maximum damage: implants are lost when podded.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.01.23 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wee Dave
A battleship is not going to survive against a ten person gate camp. Unless you have a big convoy, it will ultimately come down to speed and agility.
There are ships that have better speed (and probably also agility) than a shuttle and better defensive capability to boot. Trusting a 10 Billion ISK BPO to a shuttle in hostile territory is as foolish as driving through South Central on a bicycle with a backpack full of $100 bills.
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Rydia Els
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Posted - 2006.01.23 03:07:00 -
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Sorry, just posting to get my pic to upload. Ignore this. Thank you.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.01.23 03:57:00 -
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There are no rights in Eve, there is only ability.
Skillpoints will not give you success here, only real life abilities.
If I magically gave you 40 million skillpoints, you'd still fly into lowsec and get pimped.
This is not a game for whiners or stupid people.
If you're just gonna whine and be a big baby with a sense of entitlement to be anywhere, this isnt the right game for you.
If you wanna learn then ask the right questions and have the right attitude.
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NestcePas
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Posted - 2006.01.23 09:42:00 -
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..have the right attitude.
And what is this according to you, pray tell?
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Ted Raald
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Posted - 2006.01.23 09:46:00 -
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Well what an eye opener this thread is, pirates targeting newbs or shuttles! of course  obvious disguise to high value items.
That explains my first gank at a gate with a 4 day old victim, at least he didn't pod me. I at least had a chance to learn how to fly the blooming thing so learnt something. lol
And yes .4 is dangerous and fun but it has taught me to use scanners and the map MUCH MUCH more.
I know I wont be bumbling and lazily flitting into a .4 in the future! And of course my killer is the first on my hit list, oh this is so much fun.
Take care it's a dangerous universe!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ted Raald
Well what an eye opener this thread is, pirates targeting newbs or shuttles! of course obvious disguise to high value items.
That explains my first gank at a gate with a 4 day old victim, at least he didn't pod me. I at least had a chance to learn how to fly the blooming thing so learnt something. lol
And yes .4 is dangerous and fun but it has taught me to use scanners and the map MUCH MUCH more.
I know I wont be bumbling and lazily flitting into a .4 in the future! And of course my killer is the first on my hit list, oh this is so much fun.
Take care it's a dangerous universe!
Its not necessarily because shuttles always have good items--its because since there's a small chance the shuttle might, it can't hurt for the pirate to try.
Most pirates really don't have that much cash, and they'll try any gank within reason for a chance to get some.
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Vampari Hawkus
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:51:00 -
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That will be Ami system. If you read his bio, he blows everyone away in his tempest, usually with another tempest using 1400mm howitzers unless they pay for passage, doesn't care about your cargo. Got my attention by blowing me away afk in my caracal. I run through his system whenever, in area with a cheap condor, he cant hit side of a bran door with those 1400s, particularly a fast condor with low sig.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Demarcus on 23/01/2006 11:03:55
Originally by: Cisplatin
I resent the fact that there is little course for revenge.. save holding a grudge for a year...
Im still holding my grudge against Muja who did the same thing to me a year ago. Soon you bastard, sooooon.
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Vamp 1
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:16:00 -
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Forgot to say, Absolute Evil is worth 100 mill, so get 3 friends, one with a covert ops for gang jump, ceptor to scramble him followed by a battleship to collect and you are 100mill richer, or more if his sidekick doesn't run before the ceptor pods him.
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.01.23 12:16:00 -
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time to lock the topic? :) the noob that started it.. has probably already quit.. or drownd in his own tears
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Chrizto
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Posted - 2006.01.23 13:50:00 -
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I think this happend to everyone of us when we started playing the game. What I did was adding these people to my buddy list, attach them in a new folder tho called 'KOS' and put their standing on -10. Get their names from the killmail you received. This way you won't forget about them.
Soon or late, you'll get back at them, trust me :) and you'll love it !
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Ibro
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Posted - 2006.01.23 20:38:00 -
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i guess that is what i like about Eve..
they where bold enough to have an open ended game where you can do anything and there are risks but also consequences..
they have reached a pretty good balance with that system..
its refreshing after playing SWG which was such a carebear environment..
nevering wanting to force anyone into PvPing or force them into a good risk vs reward system..
always worried that someone might be upset instead they should have been worrying about creating a good reward and challenging system where something can go wrong and you can suffer setbacks..
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Cisplatin
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Posted - 2006.01.23 23:38:00 -
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Oh the newbie that started the thread is still reading.....
I'm amazed at how condescending some of you veterans are towared the new players... I wonder how many of you are still 12 year old breastfeeders...
Thank you truly those of you who has insightful advice...
Kiss my arse to those of you who think you're tough ****it just because you can whack a newbie at will.
Adios,
Cisplatin
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Pielle
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Posted - 2006.01.24 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Pielle on 24/01/2006 08:13:48
^^^Who knew roosters were censored? Replaced an adjective that starts with C and describes one with more ego than brains...
Originally by: Wee Dave
TBH if people couldn't speak in local when in a pod there would be a heck of a lot less poddings.
Oh, one extra reason is to inflict maximum damage: implants are lost when podded.
I kinda figured "shutting twits up" was a given ;) If a guy is shooting his mouth off, be it in local, evemail, or even just annoying obnoxious bio's, then I'd wanna whack 'im too.
I was just curious if there was a beneficial reason to pod someone beyond jackassery (on either side of the guns). If I'm not the sort to shoot my mouth off, then it seems the only people I should reasonably need to fear are the bastages who demand payments for blowing me up, and the people I've blown up or otherwise ticked off in the past...
..but that's a silly ideal, because there's always people who'll do it just to be an ass. I just wanted to make sure that was the only reason :)
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.01.24 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cisplatin
Oh the newbie that started the thread is still reading.....
I'm amazed at how condescending some of you veterans are towared the new players... I wonder how many of you are still 12 year old breastfeeders...
Thank you truly those of you who has insightful advice...
Kiss my arse to those of you who think you're tough ****it just because you can whack a newbie at will.
Adios,
Cisplatin
If anyone I'd say it'd be you who was 12 and still breastfeeds since you don't seem mature enough to handle any sort of loss.
Can I have your stuff?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.01.24 10:48:00 -
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The distrubing thing here isnt the loss of your ship, its your attitude to the loss of your ship.
There are tactical ways to avoid piracy. Did you create and use instant bookmarks? Did you use your scanner to check station and gates for pirate camps? Did you constantly check local and read peoples bios?
When I first got killed in lowsec, I laughed. I knew the risks but I wanted the rewards. I was sitting semi-afk in a belt and got blown up in my first cruiser. It was essentially my fault and I could have avoided it. I learned a lesson.
You have also learnt a lesson. Lowsec space is not secure. If you don't like getting blown up, but can't be bothered to avoid piracy using intelligence and tactics, then stay in safe Empire space.
The people that killed you were not jerks, they are playing EVE the way it is meant to be played. Regarding your 'I can't get revenge' thing. Sure you can. You have killrights on them for a whole month. Plenty of time to train up some combat skills and get a group of friends together. A group of frigates can take out a battleship no problem.
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Arll
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Posted - 2006.01.24 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Fats
There are no rights in Eve, there is only ability.
Skillpoints will not give you success here, only real life abilities.
If I magically gave you 40 million skillpoints, you'd still fly into lowsec and get pimped.
This is not a game for whiners or stupid people.
If you're just gonna whine and be a big baby with a sense of entitlement to be anywhere, this isnt the right game for you.
If you wanna learn then ask the right questions and have the right attitude.
it does seem to have more than its fair share of ignorance and arrogance.
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.01.24 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arll
Originally by: Tony Fats
There are no rights in Eve, there is only ability.
Skillpoints will not give you success here, only real life abilities.
If I magically gave you 40 million skillpoints, you'd still fly into lowsec and get pimped.
This is not a game for whiners or stupid people.
If you're just gonna whine and be a big baby with a sense of entitlement to be anywhere, this isnt the right game for you.
If you wanna learn then ask the right questions and have the right attitude.
it does seem to have more than its fair share of ignorance and arrogance.
You could have put it in a more diplomatic way, but apart from that I agree with each and every point. The risks are already minimal if you're willing to play smart.
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Laqum
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Posted - 2006.01.24 11:58:00 -
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