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![eLLioTT wave eLLioTT wave](/images/people/img11.png)
eLLioTT wave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 07:36:00 -
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4 fully fitted battleships destroyed in the last week!
All because they accidently shot me or sent the wrong drone at me or smartbombed too close or something really minor.
ALL of them would have been avoided by the following very simple, fully effective solution.
In options create a new option "Enable damage from gang members" unticked by default, a big warning all over it if you want, but we need the option.
When this option is ticked gang members show up with the normal purple square in overview but now with a gree tick box in the corner. When it is not ticked a red cross in the corner.
This avoids any traps, greifing ect.
PLEASE CCP! for the sake of my friends who keep losing ships for minor mistakes!
all user comments welcome
(no im not leaving no you cant have my stuff :P ) |
![bumcheekcity bumcheekcity](/images/people/img10.png)
bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:01:00 -
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/signed. Great idea. -- bumcheekcity |
![Kylania Kylania](/images/people/img6.png)
Kylania
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:02:00 -
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Maybe tell your friends to pay attention? -- Lil Miner |
![SULAN BARHIR SULAN BARHIR](/images/people/img13.png)
SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:07:00 -
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Stop pressing the big red "fire" button while sleeping in your egg. Pay attention! ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif) |
![Idara Idara](/images/people/img10.png)
Idara
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:08:00 -
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Shooting people that aren't in your corp triggers CONCORD responses in 0.5 and up and criminally flags you in 0.4 to 0.1.
You can't shoot anyone outside your corp. -------------------------------------------------------- Ensign BSC Military The maximum image file size allowed for signatures is 24kb. --Jorauk |
![eve warrior eve warrior](/images/people/img7.png)
eve warrior
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
PLEASE CCP! for the sake of my friends who keep losing ships for minor mistakes!
all user comments welcome
(no im not leaving no you cant have my stuff :P )
You want ccp to adjust the Game just because your Friends cant avoid making "minor Mistakes" ? My corp fight loads of empire wars and the only time one of us got concord ganked was because of a bugged overview, when a nuteral showed up as red just as a war target warped off.
There is a reason they are called Smart Bombs, because u have to be Smart to use them... I see Nothing wrong with the way things are, why should someone Not take dmg just because he is in your gang? If anything, i would like the Option to Remove Nuterals for the Overview.
Just my 2 isk,
Eve warrior
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![HippoKing HippoKing](/images/people/img11.png)
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:45:00 -
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there is a crime warning - they would actually have to click through this to shoot you. i've run missions with people both inside my corp, and outside it: on occaisions i've been shot by corp members, but i have NEVER been shot by someone outside the corp - the crimewarning stops that
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![eLLioTT wave eLLioTT wave](/images/people/img14.png)
eLLioTT wave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 22/01/2006 08:56:02 Two examples,
1. Recently a friend was providing minor logistics while i was tanking. During a moment of lag he accidently fired a gun instead of the remote repairer. Insta concorded.
2. Yesterday while assisting a corp do a mission they smartbombed while i was still in range, again, insta concorded. However it was their tank that smartbombed and consequently all the NPCs agrod onto the sniper BS who didnt make it out in time.
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Of course these mistakes are the fault of the people using the SB / logistics and having not thought it through. However, where is the harm in an option to enable damage from gang members? It would just add an extra layer of protection.
It is a very minor thing, could be done in a hotfix one DT.
This would also allow people in NPC corps to practice pvp on each other without have to steal cans.
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![Mrs IHateYourGuts Mrs IHateYourGuts](/images/people/img9.png)
Mrs IHateYourGuts
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:11:00 -
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It WOULD be nice to be able to allow gang on gang fire.
Damage is enabled already ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
But it should NOT be allowed as the default. It would ruin the possibility of forming new aquaintances, by joining up with people you don't know.
An option to allow it would be excellent. (But saying its just a small DT fix is quite presumptious)
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![Koori Koori](/images/people/img9.png)
Koori
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:14:00 -
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stop whining and make a corporation with you friends. Stop hiding in NPC corp N00b! ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) - ------------------------------------------- Helios enterprises is recruiting. 0% tax, 100% fun. |
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![HippoKing HippoKing](/images/people/img5.png)
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 22/01/2006 08:56:02 Two examples,
1. Recently a friend was providing minor logistics while i was tanking. During a moment of lag he accidently fired a gun instead of the remote repairer. Insta concorded.
2. Yesterday while assisting a corp do a mission they smartbombed while i was still in range, again, insta concorded. However it was their tank that smartbombed and consequently all the NPCs agrod onto the sniper BS who didnt make it out in time.
both of these have a warning. it goes something like this:
1. "click yes to this box and you will die. we suggest you click no" 2. "click yes to this box and you may die. we suggest you click no"
simple enough?
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![Corp Scammer Corp Scammer](/images/people/img1.png)
Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:22:00 -
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just get out of the NPC corp and u will do fine
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![Wrangler Wrangler](/images/people/img9.png)
Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:01:00 -
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Actually, I think it sounds like a good idea.. ![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
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![Embattle Embattle](/images/people/img16.png)
Embattle
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:06:00 -
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Nice idea....however your gangmates need help if they've done it 4 times in a week, I've been in plenty of gangs and only seen it done once by mistake. ----------- That's twice....most probably be three times by next week. |
![Sheriff Jones Sheriff Jones](/images/people/img4.png)
Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 22/01/2006 10:13:01 Yes. Add the little button so you get even less realism in this.
Yeah yeah, it's a game, but if you can't control when and where you shoot, you'd be better off flying a transport ship filled with quafe or m8ining in 1.0
They can't hold your hand all the time.
Learn. To. Fight.
It's that simple.
EDIT: I can think of a griefing tactic allready. Get a lot of friends, camp a gate with smartbombs, filling the area with instadeath.
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![eLLioTT wave eLLioTT wave](/images/people/img8.png)
eLLioTT wave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:13:00 -
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Thank you for all the replies, especially Wrangler, it is good to see the feedback.
Embattle, I help out multiple corps wherever possible. It wasn't the same corp that had the problem but 4 different corps of varying experience.
HippoKing, That is true but unfortunately a lot of these people have turned that warning off. Like i said previously i know it's their fault they got concorded, all i'm asking for is an option to disable concords involvement in "accidents".
Mrs IHateYourGuts, Valid point and if you re read my first post i suggested to have the option disabled by default with a big warning so that new players do not untick it unknowingly and open themselves to greifer exploits.
Corp Scammer, I like my corp, i have lots of friends here, i know a lot of other corps and enjoy being able to go on ops with all of them withotu worrying about politics at this stage of the game (is that okay?)
Sheriff Jones, "Yes. Add the little button so you get even less realism in this." realism? hello! we warp through planets!
I dont understand what you mean by your suggested greifing exploit, can you please explain? For what you suggested to work (people camping a gate with smart bombs) they would have to be out of SB range of the gate and any concord ships, be in the same gang as EVERYONE passing through, AND make sure everyone passing through has the option enabled. If one person who didn't have the option ticked or wasn't in their gang went through the gate they would all get concorded like normal.
Koori, yeah... really constructive... ill try to keep it in mind.
Sorry for the long post, i wanted to be thorough and try to address everyones concerns. |
![Rodge Rodge](/images/people/img3.png)
Rodge
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: eve warrior There is a reason they are called Smart Bombs, because u have to be Smart to use them...
LOL - classic!
If you saw the big "Would you like to be forcibly removed from your ship?" message and clicked "Yes", then I don't see what the problem is.
Either get everyone you're with in the same corp, or do whatever you you're doing in low sec/0.0. It'll lead to a lot more newbie griefing if you can shoot at gang members. Even more than the can flagging does now....
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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![Kanisa Kanisa](/images/people/img8.png)
Kanisa
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:45:00 -
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Griefing exploit as in: Group with other pilots. Do some hunting together with your protection off and be assassinated by them. Dem be happy. Ask Pilots of Honours for an honourable duel. They've been reported on the forum to be pretty skilled in such affairs.
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![Syrec Syrec](/images/people/img4.png)
Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones [ Yeah yeah, it's a game, but if you can't control when and where you shoot, you'd be better off flying a transport ship filled with quafe or m8ining in 1.0
4 times in a row, they'd probably crash their quafe transport ship into a power station and collapse a solar system.
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![eLLioTT wave eLLioTT wave](/images/people/img5.png)
eLLioTT wave
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kanisa Griefing exploit as in: Group with other pilots. Do some hunting together with your protection off and be assassinated by them. Dem be happy. Ask Pilots of Honours for an honourable duel. They've been reported on the forum to be pretty skilled in such affairs.
If someone is silly enough to gang with people they don't with the option enabled then of course they can expect problems.
The can flagging technique is already being used by members in different corps to allow consensual pvp, why not make it easier and just join a gang and enable damage from the gang? |
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![Xeios Xeios](/images/people/img13.png)
Xeios
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:47:00 -
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How about we leave it as is.
If you really feel that you might just randomly shoot someone halfway through a mission you should probably stay at home.
There is no reason what so ever to disable dmg within a gang. If however something really was to be done, simply removing the criminal flagging (as player corps do now) while ganged, would suffice.
Oh and for the record, doing the same thing to npc corps would be ******* priceless. Please CCP remove the crim flagging from npc corps, we wont abuse it, honestly. ![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
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![ToxicFire ToxicFire](/images/people/img9.png)
ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:49:00 -
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/signed also it would be nice if CCP could fix the gang window bug where every gang members stats disappear its making life as a logistics ship a nightmare you don't know who's damage the most and its kinda hard to pick out the screaming over vent, who needs the remote tank the most.
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![El Yatta El Yatta](/images/people/img8.png)
El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:01:00 -
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Its a terrible idea, your friends are too stupid to not do that, so they die. ---:::---
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![Peter Armstrong Peter Armstrong](/images/people/img7.png)
Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:04:00 -
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if ur friends shooting u by mistake then u guys doing it wrong! i mean change the overview so ur gang doesnt show up? using SB in 0.5 and above not a good idea as well. So No dont change it because of ur friends making noob mistakes!! ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
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![Sheriff Jones Sheriff Jones](/images/people/img12.png)
Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
Sheriff Jones, "Yes. Add the little button so you get even less realism in this." realism? hello! we warp through planets!
That's why i said "even LESS". It could be more brutal even now in my opinion.
Space ain't nice, live it or quit it ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
About the griefing thing, i don't know how it would work in detail since i'm no griefer, but i KNOW they would have a field day again. As with every "nice add".
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![Dark Shikari Dark Shikari](/images/people/img11.png)
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:56:00 -
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You really should turn on the warning box that comes up if you try to shoot a gangmate. It is very useful ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) -- Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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![HippoKing HippoKing](/images/people/img2.png)
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari You really should turn on the warning box that comes up if you try to shoot a gangmate. It is very useful ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
best advice ever. i have so far lost 2 BSs to drinking too much and playing eve with that warning off ![Evil or Very Mad](/images/icon_evil.gif)
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![Taliac Taliac](/images/people/img9.png)
Taliac
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Dark Shikari You really should turn on the warning box that comes up if you try to shoot a gangmate. It is very useful ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
best advice ever.
![Evil or Very Mad](/images/icon_evil.gif)
Not really.
I left the warning on for a long time, but it happend that i was just a little to late with warpjamming someone because of that warning.
The choice if gangmembers can or cannot attack eachother without concord interfering should be possible.
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![Deja Thoris Deja Thoris](/images/people/img1.png)
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:42:00 -
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I see both sides of the story.
On balance I think people will get griefed if its turned off.
On the flip side, tell your friends to be more careful. As in EVE, "small mistakes" can have big consequences in RL.
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![Tommy TenKreds Tommy TenKreds](/images/people/img11.png)
Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:36:00 -
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I think this is a pretty sweet .
It can't cause any harm other than to very stupid players, who would be in dire need a good lesson in any case, and it adds more options for those players that want them. So I don't see what all the anti-whining is about really. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Only thing is, I can't see this making it high onto CCP's list of immediate priorities. Then again, that list seems fairly arbtrary at times so who knows? ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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